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Channel log from 11 November 2025 (all times are UTC)

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14:45	<xdrazen> hi there... a really lot of time has happened since i tried ltsp once (first test was when edubuntu gave the final step for install ltsp plug and play)...
14:45	but now... honestly, even if following the guides, strictly... even if debugging as crazy... i am not able to setup LTSP yet :c
14:45	so, very please...
14:45	what distro should i go? for the most "frictionless" setup?
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15:15	<quinox> AFAIK: Ubuntu
15:16	My own LTSP server is currently Ubuntu 22.04 with the Greek Schools PPA (I think), clients are LTSP 24.04
15:22	<xdrazen> ok, from the matrix chat... debian seems VERY BROKEN... your 22.04 suggestion is gold for me...
15:23	did you tested 24.04 server?
15:29	<fiesh> we run clients and server on 24.04
15:30	but the ppa that we used to install vanished afterwards, alas
15:30	ah no it's back
15:30	https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ltsp/ppa/ubuntu noble
15:31	works like a charm, the ipxe / tftp part is served from our main router, and then it redirects to the ltsp server serving over http
15:31	<xdrazen> debian is broken then... :c so stick with 22.04 or 24.04... thank you very very much. time for clean snap and timeshift for tests... very thank you
15:32	<fiesh> yw
15:33	<xdrazen> a question here... the main router ipxe tftp (dhcp?) is kinda ISP ones or a good one? and, proxy mode? or ltsp just gives images with http?
15:35	<fiesh> no it's a router based on openwrt -- currently still using a nanopi r6s (excellent device), but will be switching it for a more industrial-grade solution soon, probably also with openwrt
15:35	if your requirements aren't super tough and you can live with just 2.5gbit and rj45 connectivity, the nanopi r6s with openwrt is really a great choice
15:35	I use it at home as well
15:36	but for work I want something not-consumer grade with redundant power supplies
15:43	<xdrazen> honestly, FOW NOW, the setup is simple, 1 "server" and 1 client. so with gigabit i am more than enough (i guess). then, http from ltsp server and dhcp-tftp-ipxe from nanopi, right?
15:52	<alkisg> Hey guys, if dnsmasq is broken on Debian, why hasn't anyone filed a bug report?
15:52	https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=dnsmasq;dist=unstable
15:54	<fiesh> xdrazen: you don't need a nanopi, you can just do everything from your server
15:54	xdrazen: but of course the server serving your dhcp must be the one to handle the tftp and ipxe as well
15:55	it can be any device, and it can be the same as the ltsp server
15:56	<xdrazen> exactly, there is where i am breaking, with the ISP router giving DHCP and me hard trying to proxy mode LTSP
15:56	<fiesh> oh I see... do you have to use the ISP router? I'd always prefer a device of my own, but of course ymmv
15:57	<quinox> Alkis: no pressure, I understand what the situation is etc. What's the plan for 26.04?
15:57	<alkisg> quinox: from the LTSP side AFAIK we're doing fine, no regressions etc. If dnsmasq has issues, a bug should be filed there,
15:58	<quinox> awesome
15:58	<alkisg> while for 26.04, I think Ubuntu will insist on using dracut; I'll have a look, but we may have to stick to initramfs-tools until we see how it plays out
15:58	<fiesh> I think I used to use dracut with gentoo and ltsp 5
15:58	I'm like 98 % sure
15:59	<alkisg> I've sent a few patches to dracut a few years ago, the developers never replied, so I stopped caring about it :)
16:00	<fiesh> you'd assume gentoo has some active maintenance
16:00	uhh ubuntu I mean
16:01	<alkisg> Yeah that's what I want to see. If they're willing to accept downstream patches, then I'm OK even if upstream isn't responding
16:01	I couldn't figure out why they switched to dracut though, the reasons were very lame, "supports nvme over tcp" or something obscure...
16:02	I guess political reasons
16:02	<fiesh> sounds like it
16:02	ubuntu has become considerably less desirable over the years though for me... snap, all this "pay-to-get-security-updates" business
16:03	it's somewhat annoying that I have set up so much infrastructure based on it and am now reluctant to swithc
16:03	<alkisg> I'm barely keeping it myself, fortunately it's still easy to remove snap and the esm noise
16:03	<fiesh> removing snap yes, but then having essentials like firefox requires a ppa
16:04	<alkisg> PPA or upstream firefox.deb. Or install chrome.deb...
16:04	<fiesh> yeah but that's still a step down, not having it properly bundled with your distribution
16:04	<alkisg> True
16:04	<fiesh> on my private librem, I use guix -- have to say I like it a lot
16:04	but it's not yet there to be a viable server alternative
16:05	<alkisg> It's like the xkcd comic says, "15 package managers? let's invent a new one to rule them all!" and then you have 16 package managers
16:05	<fiesh> it's completely different from typical distributions, in a good way... my only qualm is ((((that ((((((it's))) all))) lisp))))
16:06	<xdrazen> alkisg, the script for remove snap is great... thank you... about LTSP, just better go with 22.04 or 24.04 right?
16:06	<fiesh> I'd venture to say guix does things better than typical distributions, sufficiently so to warrant a new approach
16:06	<alkisg> Both are fine, I'm using 24.04 in my schools
16:07	<xdrazen> !!! GOTCHA!!! then i will test with 24.04... about debian trixie?
16:07	<ltspbot> Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
16:07	<alkisg> I tried to have a look into guix, but when I saw the hashes in the disk I didn't like it enough to continue reading
16:07	I haven't tested with trixie. If dnsmasq hangs there, please do file a bug report in bugs.debian.org
16:07	(under dnsmasq, not under ltsp)
16:08	Trixie has dnsmasq 2.91, same as ubuntu 25.04, it might make sense to test if the problem happens on ubuntu 25.04 too, or not
16:09	<fiesh> alkisg: it does take getting used to, but it's really what I consider the first major advance in how distributions work since... well ever actually ;)
16:10	<ogra`> alkisg, Ubuntu switched to dracut because of https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1114857
16:10	(same reason why we had to switch to systemd instead of keeping upstrat)
16:11	*upstart
16:11	<alkisg> ogra`: ah, so Debian will switch as well? Thank you for that, I couldn't find it in the Ubuntu announcement!
16:11	<ogra`> yeah, it simpoly gets to expensive to maintain your own system
16:11	<alkisg> Sure sure, and Maks from initramfs-tools hasn't been very responsive during the last years either
16:12	* ogra` notes that initramfs-tools was actually an Ubuntu invention (IIRC even the first one, we developed it to be able to create the live CDs)
16:13	<alkisg> Oooh I didn't know about that either. Thanks ogra! :)
16:17	(I wonder what knoppix was using - I might boot it some time out of curiosity)
16:18	<ogra`> well, klaus knopper was involved in the bringup of the Ubuntu 4.10 live CDs ;)
16:19	<alkisg> ;)
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