IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:08 | * sbalneav thinks sushi makes up for the lack of grammatical articles | |
| 00:16 | <warren> sbalneav: Kobe beef makes up for the lack of anything.
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| 00:17 | Eric Harrison is here with me.
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| 00:17 | Oh man. Two days ago we had a gigantic Korean-style barbecue dinner, with tons of Kobe beef. ~$280 for 6 people. In America that amount of Kobe beef would be like $750+.
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| 00:17 | Kobe beef ruins all other beef.
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| 00:19 | <johnny> beef is bad for the planet anyways
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| 00:19 | cows suck
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| 00:19 | <warren> I know
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| 00:19 | I'm evil
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| 00:19 | I might stop eating beef all year in order to save enough karma to eat kobe beef once a year.
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| 00:20 | <rjune> I was just called a liberal hippie
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| 00:20 | <johnny> limiting consumption would be a good first step
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| 00:20 | rjune, aren't you?
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| 00:20 | * rjune slaps johnny | |
| 00:20 | <johnny> is that a problem?
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| 00:21 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> johnny, you have used rom-o-matic right? can you help me with an issue?
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| 00:21 | <rjune> it's incorrect.
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| 00:21 | <johnny> gonzaloaf_laptop, i generated a floppy to use
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| 00:21 | that's all i know :)
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| 00:21 | i used floppies for my clients that didn't have netboot
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| 00:21 | <rjune> gonzaloaf_laptop: what's up?
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| 00:22 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> johnny, I'm trying to download an iso for a cd, floppies are too old :p
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| 00:22 | <johnny> rjune, you don't want peace, love , and happiness?
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| 00:22 | <rjune> I prefer the dos loader and run from hd
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| 00:22 | <johnny> gonzaloaf_laptop, that's why i used em , since nobody needs to use the floppy drive :)
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| 00:22 | <rjune> I'll settle for meat, booze, and sex
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| 00:22 | <johnny> i just taped up the floppy holes
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| 00:22 | <rjune> romomatic generates an iso now?
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| 00:23 | <johnny> gonzaloaf_laptop, too easy for people to lose the floppies.. i'm sure it'd be worse with cds
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| 00:25 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> johnny, I'm in a testing environment so that wouldnt be a problem, the thing is that I downloaded the iso from http://www.rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-git/gpxe.git/contrib/rom-o-matic/ I chose the model of NIC that 'lspci' told me I have but it doesnt boot
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| 00:25 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> johnny, I have tried 3 models
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| 00:25 | <johnny> it was probably the wrong pcicd
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| 00:25 | you should be able to get a multi driver cd
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| 00:26 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> how?
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| 00:26 | <johnny> i don't know
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| 00:26 | too small to fit on a floppy :)
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| 00:26 | so i didn't bother investigating
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| 00:30 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> johnny, I'm sure I got the right pcicd
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| 00:30 | <johnny> then i have no idea
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| 00:30 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> :(
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| 00:31 | johnny, am I getting the iso from the correct page?
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| 00:31 | gpxe?
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| 00:31 | <johnny> i guess
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| 00:31 | i think that's what i used
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| 00:31 | been a year since i generated mine
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| 00:32 | woot folks write the best product captions
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| 00:50 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> johnny, when using rom-o-matic, do I have to have specific entries in my dhcp.conf?
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| 00:53 | <johnny> no different than what you had previously to support pxe
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| 01:06 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> johnny, it still doesnt work, I wonder what could be my problem!
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| 01:14 | <gonzaloaf> johnny, check this piece of my syslog, any clue_
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| 01:14 | ?
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| 01:14 | http://pastebin.ca/1233543
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| 01:14 | <johnny> it's 2am
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| 01:14 | i'm going to bed
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| 01:14 | <gonzaloaf> just 3 lines :(
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| 01:23 | <rjune> Oct 23 01:11:02 ltsp-server dhcpd: DHCPNAK on 192.168.2.42 to 00:05:5d:77:5a:74 via eth0 <-- google DHCPNAK
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| 01:34 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> hi, why when I try to log from a client, I receive the message 'this workstation istn authorized to connect to the server' ?
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| 01:39 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 01:57 | <stgraber> gonzaloaf: ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
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| 01:59 | <gonzaloaf> stgraber, thanks
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| 01:59 | is ltsp-manager working_
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| 01:59 | ?
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| 03:24 | <pfx> Hi! I'm new in thin-clients. Is there any ability to use LTSP on windows? I need to be able to use windows server with linux clients. Sounds ugly, but it's my task.
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| 03:25 | I didn't found much. Just something about playing with samba and using second TSE-server (but for windows thin-clients)
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| 03:52 | <vlt> pfx: I never used such a setup but I hink you can use rdesktop to connect to a windows server.
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| 03:52 | <vlt> *think
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| 03:53 | <pfx> vlt: I should boot linux in someway before using rdesktop
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| 03:54 | In old (~2003) mailing list archive was suggested to use samba (and put linux distro to there). But I doubt it works
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| 04:00 | <pfx> Have to go =( Hope will find somebody who did such configuration later
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| 04:38 | <masus> hi all , have a problem cant login via one client , i have paste all errors and configurations to -> http://rafb.net/p/gXkX4I74.html can anybody help me please ?
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| 04:48 | <masus> ;(
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| 04:50 | and here is it with the dhcpd.conf - http://rafb.net/p/lIYhqt43.html
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| 05:25 | <masus> hi all , have a problem to login to a debian etch ltsp-server -> http://rafb.net/p/lIYhqt43.html from one client here ara some errors and logs can anybody help me please . Thanks All
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| 05:26 | or point me to the right direction
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| 08:31 | <rezon8> what distro is recommended for ltsp5?
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| 08:31 | <ogra> see topic
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| 08:32 | <rezon8> ahh, thanks :)
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| 08:32 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:32 | <rezon8> was hoping to move away from fc
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| 08:33 | anyone run k12ltsp? thast what im on now
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| 08:33 | fc4 based
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| 08:33 | <ogra> well, ubuntu ill release the latest code with latest ltsp in it in 8 days
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| 08:33 | *will
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| 08:33 | debian probably with lenny in december
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 08:53 | <jammcq> Scotti !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:53 | <jammcq> oops
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| 08:53 | I killed him :(
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| 08:54 | <jammcq> Scotti !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, try this again
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| 08:54 | morning all
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| 08:54 | <jammcq> Scotti !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:55 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:55 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq, ogra
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| 08:56 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:56 | <cliebow> morning morning morning
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> (morning)^4
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| 08:58 | <cliebow> spitting snow here %<(
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| 09:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> good morning
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| 09:05 | <cliebow> Ho!
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> cliebow: Remember, you need to rustle us up a hurricane like you did last year
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| 09:10 | <cliebow> see what i can do...
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> Snow I can get here by the metric tonne. Hurricanes, however, are a little harder to come by on the prairies.
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> nuthin like a good ole hurricane to make a BTS special
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> "Rage, winds, and crack thy cheeks! Rage!! Blow!!"
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| 09:15 | <bonus points for anyone who can name the source>
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> umm, forest gump?
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> <hint: Shakespeare>
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| 09:15 | No.
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> I was close
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> Not Forrest Gump :)
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| 09:16 | you were
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| 09:16 | In that both Shakespeare and Forrest Gump have insight into human nature.
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> umm, yeah, that's what I meant
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> <best Ben Stein voice>
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| 09:18 | Bueller? Anyone?? Anyone?
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> heh
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| 09:18 | now class.....
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> http://www.bartleby.com/70/4332.html
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| 09:19 | That's right, King Lear!
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| 09:21 | King Lear's also the play that has the famous quote: "How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child"
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| 09:21 | <bell rings>
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| 09:21 | Class dismissed! I want you all to do your essays on Act III
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| 09:22 | jammcq!! Spit out that gum!
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| 09:22 | ogra! No running in the hallways!
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| 09:23 | <jammcq> we don't need no education
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| 09:24 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> You can't have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat!!
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> mmmm, meat
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| 09:25 | although, meat in the UK isn't quite the same as some other places i've been
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> You! Yes you behind the bikesheds! Stand still laddy!
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| 09:26 | <jammcq> I think scotty knows what' I'm talking about
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> Yeah
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| 09:26 | That one steak was a little disappointing.
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| 09:26 | <pscheie> Now bring us a figgy pudding
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| 09:26 | <jammcq> heh, and that was their best recommendation :)
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> Should have gone for fish & chips
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| 09:27 | <pscheie> in hell, the English are the chefs...
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| 09:27 | * jammcq makes note to self. stay out of hell | |
| 09:28 | <sbalneav> Oh, I've had good meals in england. Just not THAT particular meal.
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| 09:28 | <jammcq> i've been to england 4 times.... still hoping to find a decent meal
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| 09:28 | <pscheie> most memorable meal I had in England was a grilled cheese sandwich from a vending machine
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> http://consumptionaddict.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/hell.jpg
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| 09:28 | <jammcq> now France, Spain, Germany and Italy.... there's some good meals
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Looks like you turn right.
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| 09:32 | <pscheie> jammcq, two weeks to BTS, I'm still looking for a ride from Bangor to SWH; you guys coming through that way?
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> pscheie: yeah, just don't know what time yet
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| 09:32 | could be noon or midnight, or anytime between or before or after
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| 09:33 | <pscheie> just make it after 3pm
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| 09:44 | <Blinny> Morning!
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| 09:45 | I have more information regarding my problem printing to thin clients' printers. Before the latest libcupsys2 update it worked fine. Afterwards, no go.
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| 09:45 | I see lots of cups audit lines in /var/log/messages and wonder if this is related
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> Blinny: Is jetpipe starting now
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Yes.
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| 10:02 | sbalneav: Here's what I've done
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| 10:03 | I don't think this is necessarily #ltsp related, as I've taken a standalone hardy install and printed before and after the libcupsys2 update - before worked, after didn't
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| 10:03 | However, it is something specific with this printer because another thin client began working after a reboot.
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| 10:03 | <Blinny> I've got to try to gather more information
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| 11:30 | <monteslu> warren, finally got a chance to fix flash
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| 11:30 | on flash 10
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| 11:30 | just needed the nspluginwrapper.i386 like you said
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| 11:31 | kind of a strange requirement
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| 11:33 | <pscheie> monteslu, are you running 64-bit?
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| 11:39 | <monteslu> pscheie, yup
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| 11:40 | I have an 8 core server with 16GB or ram running 64bit fedora. Sound working even on flash :)
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| 11:40 | <pscheie> how many clients?
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| 11:41 | <monteslu> about 70
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| 11:41 | <pscheie> how much did the server cost?
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| 11:41 | <monteslu> the server as about $4200
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| 11:42 | or was it 5200? Sorry, can't remember
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| 11:42 | but it was cheap for what I got
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| 11:42 | <pscheie> did you build it or buy it?
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| 11:42 | <monteslu> also has 3 drives i have in a raid5
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| 11:42 | got it from dell
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| 11:42 | tired of building boxes :)
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| 11:43 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, what was that firefox plug-in that allows editing fields with a real text editor?
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| 11:44 | <monteslu> Only problem i have left is that the thin clients are taking about 4 minutes to log in
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| 11:45 | top on the thin client shows "sh" is running, not sure what the script is doing
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| 11:48 | <pscheie> jammcq, greasemonkey?
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| 11:48 | <jammcq> hmm, never heard of that one
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| 11:48 | <ogra> mozed or some such
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| 11:48 | <jammcq> scotty pointed out a plug in quite a while ago
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| 11:48 | yeah, mozed could be it
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| 11:48 | <pscheie> greasemonkey may only be for wikis
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| 11:49 | <jammcq> let's you invoke a local editor to edit the text fields
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| 11:49 | VERY handy when editing wiki pages
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| 11:49 | <pscheie> monteslu, what kind of hardware are the clients?
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| 11:49 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 11:49 | <pscheie> jammcq, such as vi?
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| 11:49 | <jammcq> yep
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| 11:49 | <pscheie> cool!
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| 11:50 | * pscheie goes looking for mozed | |
| 11:50 | <monteslu> pscheie, mostly 500MHz via chips with 128mb of RAM. About 30 800MHz clients with 512MB ram
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| 11:50 | not sure if the faster ones are as slow to log in as well
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| 11:52 | <pscheie> monteslu, 4 minutes to login? or from boot to logged in?
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| 11:52 | login = for a user to log in
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| 11:52 | <monteslu> from login screen to gnome finishing loading
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| 11:52 | boot is actually not that bad
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| 11:53 | <ogra> boot should be below a minute on any ltsp5 implementation nowadays
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| 11:53 | <Lns> ogra: not w/the nbd_swap issue though
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| 11:53 | <ogra> monteslu, checked ~/.xsession-errors ?
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| 11:53 | <Lns> in ubuntu anyway
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> jammcq: mozex
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| 11:54 | <monteslu> boot taking long wouldn't be a big deal because it only neds to be done in the morning, but right now the slow login is a pain because kids have to wait
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| 11:54 | <ogra> Lns, yes, i'll get to the ton of hardy fixes after release
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| 11:54 | <Lns> monteslu: are you monitoring the server cpu usage? top?
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| 11:54 | <ogra> 10 days ...
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| 11:54 | <Lns> ogra: :)
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| 11:54 | <monteslu> ogra, not yet. I'll give that shot
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| 11:54 | Lns, top on the client shows sh eating the cpu
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> monteslu: What's taking a long time? Time to the login prompt? Or time to log in?
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| 11:55 | <monteslu> i don't think the server is being taxed at all
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| 11:55 | <ogra> sbalneav, login
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| 11:55 | <monteslu> time to login
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> Probably a DNS failure
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| 11:55 | ssh is trying to do a reverse lookup from the hostname
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| 11:55 | * ogra wouldnt know anything that needs dns in the ubuntu session | |
| 11:55 | <sbalneav> ssh
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| 11:55 | <ogra> missing loopback might be an issue
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> it tries to do a reverse mapping by default
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| 11:56 | * pscheie has seen standalone ssh have that same DNS problem | |
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| 11:56 | <ogra> or broken /etc/hosts
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| 11:56 | <Lns> I used to have issues back in the Feisty days with not being able to reach DNS and it booting to a busybox prompt, but that was a separate issue
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| 11:56 | <jammcq> bummer, 'Mozex' is for OLDER versions of firefox
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> either make sure the terminals are listed in DNS, or in /etc/hosts
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| 11:56 | <ogra> jammcq, might be that greasemonkey replaces it
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| 11:56 | <Lns> sbalneav: i've never had to do that myself
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Go for the development version
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| 11:57 | it'll work in 3
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| 11:57 | <Lns> monteslu: is this a 1-NIC or 2-NIC setup?
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| 11:57 | <jammcq> I see no dev version
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| 11:57 | I see last updated June 12, 2004
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| 11:57 | <monteslu> Lns, unfortunately a 2 NIC. I couldnt get 1 NIC to work
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| 11:57 | <monteslu> i really don't like the bridge setup
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| 11:57 | this is fedora 9, btw
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| 11:57 | <jammcq> ah
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| 11:57 | found it
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> http://mozex.mozdev.org/development.html
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| 11:57 | <ogra> bridge setup ?
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| 11:57 | ah, fedora
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| 11:58 | <Lns> ogra: i think he means the forwarding of wan traffic over the ltsp server
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| 11:58 | <ogra> no, fedora has a weird bridge setup for their clients
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| 11:58 | <Lns> monteslu: why couldn't you get the 1-nic setup to work?
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| 11:58 | <monteslu> WAN is hit via a gateway
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| 11:58 | <Lns> oh
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| 11:58 | <ogra> not using a two nic setup by default like we do in ubuntu
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| 11:58 | <monteslu> Lns, because the bridge wont let tft traffic through
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| 11:59 | two nic is the default as well i think but I'd rather manage the network myself
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| 11:59 | <Lns> this is a real quote-unquote network "bridge" we're talking about? As in, a lan segment router type device?
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| 11:59 | <monteslu> Lns, nope
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| 11:59 | <monteslu> Lns, like bridge as in vmware
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| 11:59 | <pscheie> software bridge
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| 11:59 | <ogra> btw, did anyone apart from stgraber test the intrepid RC Cds ?
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| 11:59 | <monteslu> splitting a nic
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| 11:59 | <Lns> ah
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| 12:00 | <ogra> i heard it rocks :)
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| 12:00 | <pscheie> to prevent people from accidently starting the dhcp server on their production network
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> I loaded up intrepid last night
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| 12:00 | <gonzaloaf> hello, how do I disable encrypted connections?
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> Didn't get to test LTSP yet
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| 12:00 | <monteslu> I think it needs to be removed from fedora 10, but I'm sure warren will disagree
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| 12:00 | <ogra> gonzaloaf, LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 12:00 | <monteslu> its a huge pain
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| 12:00 | <ogra> sbalneav, last nights might not have worked
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| 12:00 | <masus> hi all http://rafb.net/p/lIYhqt43.html can't connect to ltsp-server can anybody help me thanks ...
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| 12:00 | <gonzaloaf> ogra, in lts.conf?
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> It installed on mine
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| 12:00 | <ogra> gonzaloaf, yep
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| 12:00 | sbalneav, with ltsp client ?
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| 12:01 | <ogra> sbalneav, then you have the fixed version
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| 12:01 | <gonzaloaf> ogra, this is the path right? /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 12:01 | <ogra> gonzaloaf, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 12:02 | <sbalneav> masus: What kind of server are you running? Ubuntu?
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| 12:02 | <ogra> looks like your NIC has no driver
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| 12:03 | <masus> sbalneav: debian etch
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| 12:03 | sbalneav: it's only one client that cant connect
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| 12:03 | <gonzaloaf> ogra, I dont have that file
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| 12:03 | <ogra> gonzaloaf, what distro ?
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| 12:03 | <sbalneav> Is it the same as all your other clients?
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| 12:03 | <gonzaloaf> ubuntu
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| 12:03 | <ogra> gonzaloaf, create it then
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav, stgraber: how important is the cdpinger segfault patches? what are the situations when it comes up? how important is it that i push them for the next debian stable release?
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| 12:04 | <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf should have told you to btw ...
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| 12:04 | vagrantc, i have never seen it not working despite the segfaults
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| 12:04 | so it might just be cosmetic
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| 12:04 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Well, cdpinger was segfaulting for me and warren fairly consistently
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| 12:05 | <ogra> sbalneav, for me too, but cdroms worked nontheless
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| 12:05 | <sbalneav> I'd say it's an important to fix.
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: that's sort of my experience as well ... i've seen the segfaults ... but i never saw it break anything ...
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| 12:05 | <gonzaloaf> ogra, yes I see, sorry
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| 12:06 | <masus> can anyone take a look please http://rafb.net/p/lIYhqt43.html
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| 12:07 | <sbalneav> masus: You didn't answer my question
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| 12:07 | is this client the same as all your other ones?
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| 12:07 | be back in 15, gotta go run an errand.
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| 12:07 | <masus> sbalneav: i have answered -> debian etch
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| 12:08 | <sbalneav> sbalneav> Is it the same as all your other clients?
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| 12:08 | <masus> sbalneav: no it's different
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| 12:08 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 12:08 | so, looks like etch isn't seeing it's network card.
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| 12:08 | change the network card.
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| 12:08 | <masus> sbalneav: the hardware is writing here -> http://rafb.net/p/lIYhqt43.html also the other settings , configs and logs
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| 12:09 | <sbalneav> Your client hardware description is not much help
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| 12:09 | doesn't tell me what kind of chipset it is.
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| 12:09 | <masus> sbalneav: it's an mini pc http://www.multipc.com.tr/
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| 12:09 | <sbalneav> whatever it is, it isn't being recognized.
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| 12:10 | try disabling the onboard nic, and installing a PCI nic like an e100 or the like
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| 12:10 | <masus> i cant change the hardware :s if u look here u will understand http://www.multipc.com.tr/
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> looks kind of like the ebox2300, doesn't it?
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| 12:10 | <ogra> shudder
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| 12:10 | <masus> it's a mini box
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> masus: mini box says nothing ...
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| 12:11 | <masus> :)
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| 12:11 | <sbalneav> well, I'm off on an errand.
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| 12:11 | <masus> yes i know
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| 12:11 | vagrantc: yes it's look same like ebox2300
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> 32 bit (risc) ?
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| 12:12 | that doesn't even sound like i386
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| 12:12 | <ogra> SiS NIC
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| 12:12 | if its the ebox
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| 12:12 | <Q-FUNK> türk değilim
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> although if it's getting that far, it must be (mostly) i386 compatible...
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| 12:13 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:13 | <masus> vagrantc: Vortex A9100 say this something ?
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| 12:13 | <ogra> it says "multipc 2300"
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| 12:13 | sounds not much different to ebox 2300 :)
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> masus: so some thin clients work, but this model doesn't ?
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| 12:13 | <masus> vagrantc: yes
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| 12:14 | <ogra> even if you get it to boot it wont be much fun
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| 12:14 | the ebox sucks
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| 12:14 | <Q-FUNK> masus: Anlamiyorum!
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> ogra: the ebox was more like a 233MHz, though ...
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| 12:14 | ogra: no?
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| 12:14 | <ogra> there were two models
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| 12:14 | i think there was also a 300MHz
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> both painfully slow?
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| 12:14 | <ogra> yes
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| 12:15 | * ogra ssh's into his router ... which is a ebox 2300 :) | |
| 12:15 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 12:15 | good for something, at least.
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| 12:15 | <ogra> takes 20 sec for the sshd to open :)
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| 12:16 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "ebox 2300 lspci" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/64
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| 12:16 | "ogra" pasted "ebox cpuinfo" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/65
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> it must have a different ethernet ... as the rtl-8xxx are pretty well supported
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| 12:17 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "ebox meminfo" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/66
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> SiS SiS SiS!!! rah rah!
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| 12:17 | <ogra> anything else you need before i go cooking ?
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| 12:17 | heh
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| 12:17 | <Q-FUNK> food!
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| 12:17 | <ogra> yeah, sis fun
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| 12:18 | it takes 3 min to boot from the CF card in the router setup i use atm
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| 12:18 | anyway ... off to kitchen ...
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| 12:19 | * vagrantc forgets the break options to pass to initramfs-tools | |
| 12:19 | * vagrantc wonders if those options are in etch | |
| 12:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anyone had any luck creating new scripts in the screen.d dir?
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| 12:20 | * vagrantc wonders how to get it to boot to the local device | |
| 12:21 | <vagrantc> masus: basically, we need to get the information about your device from your device itself ...
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| 12:21 | <masus> vagrantc: http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-2300SX.htm
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| 12:21 | its the same box i think
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| 12:21 | vagrantc: how can i give you the information from the device
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> masus: we basically need to get it to come to a shell rather than kernel panic
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| 12:22 | <cliebow> ogra: that cd is hanging at 81% "scannng security repository" ..suppose cd is borked??
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc, break=bottom in pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> masus: but if it really is an ebox ... it's kind of unlikely to get anywhere with it.
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| 12:23 | alkisg: yeah, that's what i was trying to think of ... though i'm not sure it's available in debian etch
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| 12:23 | actually, break=top would be better
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> (yeah, but I could only remember bottom :P)
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> masus: try adding break=top to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:23 | <masus> vagrantc: ok
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> masus: and then reboot
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| 12:23 | <masus> vagrantc: ok
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| 12:31 | brb reboot
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 12:32 | i meant reboot the thin client ... *sigh*
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| 12:32 | if masus is actually logged into the thin-client we've been debugging ... i'm going to ... laugh.
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| 12:36 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: sounds suspiciously like an ebox2300
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| 12:39 | <masus> vagrantc: have reboot the server and client
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> masus: only needed to reboot the client
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| 12:40 | * vagrantc sighs | |
| 12:40 | <masus> ok :)
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| 12:40 | vagrantc: what i have to now ?
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> masus: does it still kernel panic?
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| 12:41 | <masus> yes
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> no luck.
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| 12:41 | <masus> vagrantc: and there are 2 messages before Fatal Error inserting fan \ Fatal Error inserting thermal
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| 12:41 | <cliebow> sbalneav:may i ask an ot re dns
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> masus: you added break=top to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 12:41 | <masus> vagrantc: yes
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> masus: ok, it probably isn't supported in etch ...
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| 12:42 | <masus> vagrantc: one mom please it doesnt save it
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| 12:42 | :S
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 12:42 | <sbalneav> cliebow: Surely
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| 12:45 | <masus> vagrantc: ihave do ltsp-update-kernels and ltsp-update-sshkeys so the old file is come back without break=top
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| 12:45 | vagrantc: i have write t again and boot the client
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| 12:45 | vagrantc: now iget another message i'll write
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 12:45 | <masus> vagrantc: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
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| 12:46 | <cliebow> why would this ;line throw a badd dotted quad error in syslog..
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| 12:46 | athletics IN A sites.google.com/a/surryes.u92.k12.me.us/athletics/Home
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> masus: sounds good ... ok ...
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| 12:47 | <masus> vagrantc: :)
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| 12:47 | <sbalneav> cliebow: What's your dns question?
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| 12:47 | <masus> vagrantc: and this line (initramfs)
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| 12:47 | <cliebow> that line is from a zone file..just posted
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> masus: cut -f 2,18 /proc/bus/pci/devices
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| 12:48 | <cliebow> sbalneav:athletics IN A sites.google.com/a/surryes.u92.k12.me.us/athletics/Home
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| 12:48 | <sbalneav> cliebow: you can't put a website as an address
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| 12:49 | <masus> vagrantc: there is no file called devices , input/ - pci/ - pnp/ there are three directories
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| 12:49 | vagrantc: sorry
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| 12:49 | <sbalneav> are you wanting people to browse to http://athletics, and it redirects to sites.google.com/a/surryes.u92.k12.me.us/athletics/Home?
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| 12:49 | <masus> vagrantc: there are 9 lines of numbers
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| 12:50 | vagrantc: like 17f36021
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| 12:50 | do you want all ?
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> masus: one of those is your ethernet card.
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| 12:50 | probably
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| 12:50 | <masus> vagrantc: yes
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> masus: please paste the output to the pastebot:
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| 12:51 | <cliebow> seems to me when it worked they simply typed athletics in a browser and up it came
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 12:51 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:51 | <sbalneav> cliebow: are you wanting people to browse to http://athletics, and it redirects to sites.google.com/a/surryes.u92.k12.me.us/athletics/Home?
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| 12:51 | <cliebow> yeah.
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| 12:51 | <sbalneav> Yeah, you won't be able to do that via dns.
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| 12:52 | <cliebow> ok..
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| 12:52 | <sbalneav> You'll need a redirect in a proxy
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| 12:52 | Your school have a proxy like squid?
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| 12:52 | <cliebow> not in surry..i ll have em do something else..
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| 12:53 | <sbalneav> Yeah, you'll need a proxy to do that.
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| 12:53 | <ltsppbot> "masus" pasted "ltsp" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/67
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| 12:53 | <cliebow> thanks as usua ;-]
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| 12:53 | <sbalneav> NP
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| 12:53 | <masus> vagrantc: have paste it http://pastebot.ltsp.org/67
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| 12:58 | are u all still there or am i disconnected :)
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| 13:00 | <sbalneav> You're still here
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| 13:00 | <masus> oh ok
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> so that's the list of pci ids ...
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| 13:01 | <masus> vagrantc: yes
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| 13:04 | <vagrantc> hmmm... i don't have any vendors in 17f3 ...
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| 13:04 | <vagrantc> but that's a fairly old list ...
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> cliebow, if you have apache installed, you can also do it with a http redirection
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| 13:05 | <masus> vagrantc: maybe this helps http://www.mail-archive.com/pld-cvs-commit@lists.pld-linux.org/msg144240.html
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| 13:05 | <vagrantc> http://pciids.sourceforge.net/
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| 13:05 | <cliebow> alkisg, yeah was just thinking that\
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> masus: either my pci id list is wrong, or you have something other than pc ethernet
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| 13:07 | pci ethernet
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| 13:07 | <masus> vagrantc: 6040 R6040 MAC Controller
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| 13:07 | is it this one :s
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| 13:08 | vagrantc: 17f36040
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> MAC Controller is ethernet?
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| 13:08 | it's definitely none of the others
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| 13:09 | <yemu> hi! do you know how to fix firefox freezing issue? I use ubuntu hardy and when i open couple of tabs in firefox i get a hard freeze of thin client :-(
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> The whole thin client freezes?
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| 13:10 | How much ram is in the thin client?
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| 13:11 | <yemu> 64mb or 32mb
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| 13:12 | yes the whole client is dead, i have to power it down and reboot
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| 13:12 | <sbalneav> You're probably running out of ram.
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| 13:13 | You'll need to turn on NBD swap
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| 13:13 | <yemu> how can i do it?
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| 13:13 | <sbalneav> !doco
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| 13:13 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 13:13 | <sbalneav> Should be in there
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| 13:14 | Short answer: NBD_SWAP=True in your lts.conf
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| 13:14 | <ltsppbot> "masus" pasted "/proc/bus/pnp/devices" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/68
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| 13:15 | <masus> vagrantc: maybe this helps ? http://pastebot.ltsp.org/68
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> masus: no idea what those are ...
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| 13:15 | <yemu> sbalnaev: i have USE_NBD_SWAP=True in my lts.conf
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| 13:16 | <masus> vagrantc: ok
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| 13:16 | <yemu> but i assume i have to change it
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> masus: my guess is that debian etch doesn't know what kind of network card you have.
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| 13:16 | <yemu> to NBD_SWAP
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| 13:16 | <masus> vagrantc: ok thank u very much for your time
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> masus: if you can figure out what ethernet module you need to load, you could force it to be loaded.
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| 13:16 | masus: and that pci id is probably the key.
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| 13:16 | <Lns> yemu: are you using ubuntu?
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| 13:16 | <yemu> yes
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| 13:16 | <masus> vagrantc: ok i'll try it
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| 13:16 | <Lns> oh yes you are sorry
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| 13:16 | <masus> thanks again
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| 13:17 | <Lns> yemu: I'd suggest following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP
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| 13:17 | <yemu> Lns: thanks
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| 13:18 | trying that
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| 13:18 | <Lns> yanu_: reload the page - i just added something at the top you'll want to follow (updating chroot)
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| 13:18 | <Lns> It fixes a bug in nbd_swap for the chroot
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| 13:19 | yemu: ^^^
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| 13:19 | <yemu> reloaded
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| 13:19 | thanks
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| 13:19 | <Lns> np
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| 13:20 | <sbalneav> Off for a bit.
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| 13:20 | <yemu> trying, will get back to you and tell if it works
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| 13:20 | <Lns> ok
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| 13:21 | yemu: should work fine - I've done this at a bunch of my own sites and have documented all the issues i had to iron out along the way
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| 13:25 | <yemu> Lns: first problem: i don't have network access when I chroot :-(
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| 13:25 | so i can't upgrade
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| 13:25 | <Lns> yemu: why not?
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> (maybe resolv.conf?)
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| 13:27 | <yemu> i have no network, can't even ping any site
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| 13:28 | <Lns> yemu: can you ping outside the chroot?
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| 13:28 | yemu: can you ping an IP address
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| 13:28 | ?
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| 13:28 | <yemu> i can ping my router
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| 13:28 | can't ping google
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> yemu, try to copy /etc/resolv.conf from outside the chroot into the chroot, for dns resolving
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| 13:30 | <yemu> alkisg: worked!
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> ok, go on, I don't know what you two are talking about... :)
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| 13:32 | <Lns> wooo :p
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| 13:33 | <yemu> Lns: hope the upgrade won't brake my system ;-)
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| 13:33 | <Lns> yemu: it shouldn't break it, it should fix it ;)
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| 13:35 | <Lns> But you raise a good point, maybe it'd be a good idea to document backing up your chroot first
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| 13:37 | <yemu> lns: stop scaring me...it's already too late
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| 13:38 | <Lns> yemu: ;) don't worry, unless you've done tons of modifications to the chroot it shouldn't have an affect (besides fixing bugs)
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| 13:38 | At least that's what my experience has shown
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| 13:39 | <yemu> ok, i've just made a quick copy of chroot
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| 13:39 | * Lns added the recommendation of backup to wiki | |
| 13:39 | <alkisg> yemu, also do a copy of the image before running ltsp-update-image later
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| 13:40 | <Lns> alkisg: well he can always just rebuild the image from the copy of the chroot
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| 13:40 | but either way works
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> Lns, sure, but I thought he already started the update, maybe something is already modified...
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> How difficult would be to install an ltsp chroot into a client hard disk? It could be faster, and it would surely be handy for debugging...
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| 13:41 | <yemu> creating image ;-)
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| 13:41 | <Lns> alkisg: many have done just that.. http://thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=137&Itemid=145
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| 13:41 | Ask gadi about that when he's on, he works for Symbiont
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| 13:42 | they make ltsp chroots on those little guys
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> Ah, something like thinclientos... no, I meant an ltsp image
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| 13:42 | Like, copy the Ubuntu image into a client
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| 13:42 | And probably modify some scripts...
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| 13:42 | <Lns> alkisg: that's essentially what they're doing
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| 13:43 | <johnny> alkisg, how would it be handy for debugging?
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| 13:43 | sounds like it'd be more difficult
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| 13:43 | what's handy for debugging, is changing from nbd to nfs
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> johnny, e.g. I have a client that hangs up when starting X. It would be much easier to debug this locally...
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| 13:44 | <johnny> you can still debug that locally
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| 13:44 | just switch to a console on the client
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> I can't do modifications that stick
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| 13:44 | So every time I have to start over (hangs => reboot => modify again)
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| 13:45 | <johnny> you mean it hardlocks everything?
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| 13:45 | did you try ssh ?
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> yeah :(
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| 13:45 | Like, not even caps lock working
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| 13:45 | I didn't try to install ssh into the chroot
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| 13:45 | <johnny> try that
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| 13:45 | * Lns didn't know that CTRL+ALT+F8 goes straight to console log on a TC...neat | |
| 13:45 | <johnny> it's helpful
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| 13:45 | f8 is unfortunate.. it should be f+12 :)
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| 13:45 | err f12
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> Lns, where is that? Ubuntu?
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| 13:45 | <Lns> alkisg: yeah
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> cool!
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| 13:46 | <Lns> johnny: why F12?
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| 13:46 | room for more screens?
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| 13:46 | <johnny> i thought f12 was the standard for such things
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| 13:46 | <yemu> ok, everything seems fine
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| 13:46 | <johnny> f8 is usually used as the second X screen, another defacto standard since ages gone by
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| 13:47 | <yemu> thinclients reboot ok
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| 13:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> !pastebot
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| 13:48 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:49 | <Lns> yemu: nice.
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> johnny, if I switch to NFS, are all clients log files stored on the server? E.g. /tmp/client1/Xorg.0.log etc?
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| 13:49 | <Lns> yemu: So then follow the nbdswap directions and you should be golden
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| 13:50 | <yemu> i did it, i get files created in tmp so I think it worked!
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| 13:50 | thanks man!
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| 13:50 | have to go
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| 13:51 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "ltsp.conf w/rdesktop question" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/69
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| 13:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. having some problems with SCREEN_7=rdesktop. Changing the SCREEN_7 does not appear to execute anything pertaining to rdesktop. here's my lts.conf: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/69
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| 13:52 | there is no mention of rdesktop while tailing messages or syslog :/
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| 13:53 | <johnny> SCREEN_07
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| 13:53 | <Lns> heh
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| 13:53 | <johnny> leading zero..
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_, I think (besides the zero) you also need RDP_SERVER
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| 13:54 | <johnny> alkisg, not Xorg.0.log.. but others can be.. if you set the remote syslog var
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| 13:54 | <Lns> wham-bam-nbdswap-thankyoumaam
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| 13:54 | <johnny> i don't know if there's a way to log xorg to syslog
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| 13:54 | i could be wrong tho
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> johnny thanks, I'll try it when I get the chance
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| 13:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: my bad. I have the 07 in there already
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| 13:55 | <johnny> Lns, you not want to include the specific documentation for lts.conf directly in your wiki
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| 13:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> but I will check the rdp_server thing
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| 13:56 | <johnny> unless we remove it from the src
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| 13:56 | it'd prolly be best to link or embed the docs directly from bzr
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| 13:56 | based on the revisions that various distros released with
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> wasn't there an lts.conf editor gui application?
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| 13:57 | <johnny> alkisg, for suse
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| 13:57 | easyltsp
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| 13:57 | <Lns> johnny: it's not my wiki :p
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| 13:57 | <johnny> Lns, so?
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| 13:57 | whatever
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> Oh... maybe I'll try to make one in the summer! :P
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| 13:57 | <johnny> it's part yours :)
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| 13:58 | <Lns> johnny: what do you mean btw? where?
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| 13:58 | <johnny> huh?
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| 13:58 | <Lns> johnny: what specific documentation for lts.conf
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| 13:59 | <johnny> what's in lts-parameters.txt
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| 14:00 | <Lns> johnny: are you talking about the Ubuntu wiki or the LNS wiki?
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| 14:00 | <johnny> the upstream documentation i was hoping
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> I think an easy and helpful thing to do would be to provide a default lts.conf with ALL directives included but commented out...
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| 14:01 | (in ltsp-server package)
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| 14:01 | <Lns> johnny: I have no clue what you're talking about now.
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| 14:01 | url me
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| 14:04 | <Nubae> hi Lns
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| 14:04 | <johnny> uhmm.. in the topic
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| 14:04 | <Lns> hey Nubae
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| 14:04 | <johnny> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:04 | <Nubae> hi johnny, alkisg
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> Hi Nubae!
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| 14:04 | <Lns> Nubae: I wanna talk with you re: fatclient setup sometime soon
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| 14:04 | is your wiki page up to date for that install?
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| 14:04 | <Nubae> johnny: yeah, I've been putting off pushing the latest docs, I added some missing lts.conf variables
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| 14:05 | Ill see if I can push today
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| 14:05 | <johnny> Nubae, wouldn't it be better to embed the one directly from bzr?
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| 14:05 | <Lns> johnny: I'm not sure who put my docs in the upstream documentation...
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| 14:05 | <Nubae> johnny: thats the one Im working on
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| 14:05 | Lns: that would be me
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| 14:05 | <Lns> that's right
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| 14:05 | <johnny> then you can link specific revisions of lts-parameters.txt per distro release
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| 14:05 | * Lns points the finger at Nubae | |
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| 14:06 | <johnny> Lns, i thought you were working with nubae and sbalneav on that
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| 14:06 | that way.. the trunk can stay trunk.. but you can still see the state of the lts-parameters.txt per the versions released in each distro
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| 14:06 | <Nubae> Lns: is more responsible for the wiki stuff, which got a major update after he touched it :p
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| 14:06 | <Lns> johnny: Kindof..I haven't messed with any "official" documentation yet, but some of my personal docs have found their way in there
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| 14:07 | <Nubae> johnny: thats the way it is right now... seperate lts.conf file
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| 14:07 | <Lns> yeah..i mostly work on the ubuntu ltsp wiki now
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| 14:07 | <johnny> silllyness
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| 14:07 | burn them
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| 14:07 | <Nubae> burn who?
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| 14:08 | <Nubae> Lns: what did u want to know re: fatclient?
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| 14:08 | <srini> hi
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| 14:09 | <Lns> Nubae: well i was going to start testing this out at one of my sites..was wondering if the ubuntu wiki doc for this was totally up to date
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| 14:09 | <srini> I need a clarification regarding the weblogic domain.. Can anybody help on this..?
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| 14:09 | <Lns> Or if you've found easier methods for any of it
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| 14:09 | <Nubae> Lns: it is, but I suggest using the plugin
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| 14:10 | <Lns> Nubae: ok
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| 14:10 | <Nubae> Asmo tested it for hardy and I believe it worked
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| 14:10 | <Lns> thx
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| 14:10 | awesome..although i'm sure there's no better way, kinda sucks to (re)enable nfs for homedirs..of course i'm sure that's the best way to do it
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| 14:10 | <Nubae> if u need help with ldap or whatever, install the plugin first, and then take a look at the ldap bits in the wiki
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| 14:10 | Lns: it could be done via sshfs, but there are problems keeping the sockets open
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| 14:11 | <Lns> Nubae: yeah, i was wondering about that and/or some sort of rsync thing, but that'd probably be real ugly
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| 14:11 | <Nubae> another possibility is kerberos + nfs4
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| 14:11 | but do u really need encryption?
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| 14:11 | rsync = definitely ugly
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| 14:12 | <Lns> Nubae: well encryption will be nice for those who don't use LDM_DIRECTX
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| 14:12 | has anyone ever done nfs over ssh?
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| 14:12 | is that even possible?
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| 14:13 | <Nubae> Id imagine that is like sshfs, heh or nfs4
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| 14:13 | * Lns doesn't know a WHOLE lot about nfs | |
| 14:14 | <Nubae> if u use ssh, there is no point in using nfs... it already does the file sharing with sshfs
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| 14:15 | <Nubae> I get to present sugar over ltsp at a linux conference here... should be cool
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| 14:35 | <Lns> Nubae: nice! good luck with that
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| 14:38 | * Lns just created https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ACLSupport | |
| 14:41 | <Nubae> cool stuff, never used ACLs before
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| 14:41 | cept in squid :-)
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| 14:42 | <Lns> Nubae: it's so nice in educational environments
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| 14:42 | it took me a bit to get used to them, but it's real easy
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| 14:43 | <Nubae> I'll have to experiment with that
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| 14:43 | always fun to discover something new
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| 14:43 | <Lns> yup
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| 14:44 | <johnny> except there's still no standard across distros on that
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| 14:44 | and no set policy on ubuntu
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| 14:45 | <Lns> johnny: what do you mean no standard across distros?
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| 14:46 | <johnny> no acl system is default across desktop oriented distros
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| 14:47 | <Lns> johnny: What do you mean "default" ? Installed/activated by default? ACLs are a kernel module IIRC, should be pretty much standard across anything
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| 14:48 | posix anyway
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| 14:48 | <johnny> not necessarily installed
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| 14:48 | and obviously i see an apt-get install in your documentation
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| 14:48 | c'mon.. don't pretend that's standard
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| 14:48 | or default
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| 14:49 | <Lns> johnny: ok, i wasn't sure what you meant by "standard"/"default"
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| 14:49 | I thought you meant the mechanism itself
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| 14:49 | <johnny> there are about 4 different mechanisms
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| 14:49 | more than 1 is in the kernel
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| 14:50 | and none are enabled by default
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| 14:50 | it's still the same old octal permissions for most
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| 14:50 | <Nubae> well it is in the Ubuntu LTSP docos...
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| 14:51 | <johnny> just wait until one is chosen.. and all their nice config goes out the window :)
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| 14:51 | <Nubae> yeah well, we had to put up with that with network damager
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| 14:51 | <Lns> johnny: variety is the spice of life!
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| 14:53 | <johnny> i'm soured on that, after being involved in web development where 10 different modules for a cms do the same thing
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| 14:53 | but each fails in different ways
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| 14:54 | <Lns> johnny: well I'd hope ACLs are a bit more tried and true than your cms ventures
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| 14:54 | You're always going to have cruft to sift through, but that's even better than having nothing at all..you can at least put your motivation behind the one you like the most and get it more stable
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| 14:54 | <johnny> you're probably wrong :)
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| 14:54 | <Lns> lol
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| 14:55 | * Lns thanks johnny for being the ultimate pessimist ;) | |
| 14:55 | <Nubae> yet he likes network manager :p
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| 14:55 | <johnny> yeah.. networkmanager is awesome
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| 14:56 | standardized in all the desktop oriented distros
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| 14:56 | <Nubae> but it wasnt
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| 14:56 | <johnny> now we jsut have to make it do everything the original systems did
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| 14:56 | <Lns> lol
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| 14:56 | <johnny> which is close
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| 14:56 | and then i won't have to learn five different ways to enable a network device :)
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| 14:56 | Nubae, it wasn't?
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| 14:56 | it's on suse, ubuntu, fedora
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| 14:56 | <Nubae> note the past tense
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| 14:56 | <Lns> johnny: networkdamager changed everything...and broke compatibility with the standard way of bringing up/down network adapters
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| 14:57 | <Nubae> right!
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| 14:57 | <johnny> that wasn't standard!
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| 14:57 | that was the debian/ubuntu way
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| 14:57 | not what i call standard :)
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| 14:57 | <Lns> ifconfig isn't a standard?
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| 14:57 | <johnny> actually iproute2 is the standard
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| 14:57 | yet you're using ifconfig
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| 14:57 | lol
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| 14:57 | * Lns gives up the fight | |
| 14:57 | <johnny> what you call the standard.. isn't
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| 14:58 | it's just the de facto standard
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| 14:58 | <Nubae> well... the point is, people are making t-shirts that say, I invented NM on one side and kill me on the other :p
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| 14:58 | <Lns> well, that's standard enough for me... if it works on Linux, Solaris and others (and microsoft imitates it with 'ipconfig') then it's standard enough =p
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| 14:58 | <johnny> my life became 100x times simpler now that i can point and click and enable everything... it just sucked that i lacked a cli way
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| 14:59 | but now that exists too
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| 14:59 | <Lns> johnny: where?
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| 14:59 | <johnny> nm-tool, cnetworkmanager
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| 14:59 | <Nubae> yeah, and if u have a dhcp server? then what?
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| 14:59 | <johnny> Nubae, on your desktop?
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> hey, its installed standard on servers
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| 15:00 | <johnny> Nubae, i still think the ifconfig and the like are better on the server
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| 15:00 | atm
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> right, but NM is standard on servers
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| 15:00 | thats what Im upset about
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| 15:00 | <johnny> Nubae, you tried intrepid yet?
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> yes
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| 15:00 | <johnny> ok.. maybe it happened too late
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> been on it since alpha 6
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| 15:00 | <johnny> maybe it was too late for feature freeze
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> its still screwed
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| 15:01 | <johnny> but it actually integrates with /etc/network/interfaces in some fashion now
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| 15:01 | and allows to "adopt"
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| 15:01 | <kc8pxy> i just installed ltsp on my ubuntu hardy amd64 desktop. once i have a client image built, is there anythign i need to do to bring the ltsp server to life?
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| 15:01 | <Nubae> yeah either u turn it off (unmanaged) or NM takes everything over managed
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| 15:01 | <Lns> Has Debian standardized on nm for the server as well?
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| 15:01 | <Nubae> and dhcp stops working
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| 15:01 | <johnny> Lns, doubtful
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| 15:01 | * Lns wipes his brow | |
| 15:02 | <Nubae> hey Im all for standards... but make it work
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| 15:02 | <johnny> Lns, my opinion is that networkmanager was adopted a bit too early
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| 15:02 | <johnny> Lns, there were only like 3 developers ever working on it anyways afaict
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| 15:02 | <Lns> kc8pxy: depends on how you installed ltsp.. probably not though
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| 15:03 | <Nubae> NM has constant discussion on ubuntu-devel
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| 15:03 | <Lns> johnny: yikes. Yeah, I agree - definitely adopted too early..along with FF3 beta. But I'm not gonna start a flamewar on all of this =p
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| 15:03 | <johnny> Lns, it would have been nice to have the major distros actually hire folsk to work on upstream projects of such importance
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| 15:03 | instead of saddling their users with the issues in the meantime
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| 15:03 | <Nubae> right
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| 15:04 | <johnny> Nubae, i hear just as bad issues with session saving and user switching with upstream gnome
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| 15:04 | <Lns> I can vouch for the session saving issues AND user switching
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| 15:04 | both are horribly broken, especially user switching in LTSP environments..just...doesn't...work...
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| 15:05 | <johnny> well canonical has just recently decided to hire folks to do some upstream work
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| 15:05 | <Lns> and that damn user switch applet takes FOREVER on any multiuser system
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> Here's the root of the problem.
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| 15:05 | <johnny> Lns, you should probably read about what happened at the linux plumbers conference
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| 15:05 | there was even talk about providing a base image with all the stuff.. and then distros use that to base on
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> All of these applications (NM, Dbus, Consolekit, user switching applet) are written from the point of view of the single user desktop
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| 15:06 | <johnny> not sure that'll go anywhere.. due to all the crusty old geeks around tho
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| 15:06 | <johnny> sbalneav, what you say contradicts the need for consolekit :)
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| 15:06 | lol
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> All of these apps work not bad IFF you've got 1 user sitting at one console at a time.
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| 15:06 | <johnny> that was actually in the original dsicussion!
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| 15:06 | it just didn't work out right
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| 15:07 | consolekit was for multiseat originallY!
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| 15:07 | <Nubae> sbalneav: yeah agreed, Im sure non server people dont complain so much
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| 15:07 | <Lns> sbalneav is right IMO. It really sucks to see all this work going to single-user scenarios ONLY. Devs need to pay more attention to the roots of Linux/*nix
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| 15:07 | <johnny> it was the reason for its invention!
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| 15:07 | consolekit is pointless withtout the idea of multiseat
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> What's happened is, Linux is slowly drifting away from it's unix multiuser roots, and becoming more and more like windows, insofar as 1 user at at time per machine is the norm.
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| 15:08 | <johnny> sbalneav, i couldn't disagree more
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| 15:08 | <Nubae> theres still plenty of terminal service going on
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| 15:08 | <johnny> what i saw happen.. was just people running out of time
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| 15:08 | <Lns> sbalneav: I'd say Gnome and friends have, maybe not Linux in general
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| 15:08 | <dberkholz> i tend to agree with that, actually.
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| 15:08 | multiseat is just another use case instead of the typical case
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| 15:09 | <johnny> and they focused on the 1 user thing cuz it was most important
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| 15:09 | to have working
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| 15:09 | <Nubae> right
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| 15:09 | agree
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| 15:09 | multi user stuff is always put on the back burner
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| 15:09 | <johnny> Nubae, this is where 6 month release cycles bite
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| 15:09 | <Nubae> check all the SDL apps
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| 15:09 | cant use them on a multi user system
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| 15:10 | <kc8pxy> johnny: why is that bad?
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| 15:10 | <Lns> I think that's all going to shift over time though.. LTSP and alike projects are going to be in the spotlight a lot more now that "going green" is a household term
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| 15:10 | <Nubae> and no one will do shit about it
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| 15:10 | <johnny> certain changes require a bit longer to marinate
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| 15:10 | Nubae, put your money where your mouth is :)
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| 15:10 | <Nubae> johnny: hey I help plenty with what I can :p
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| 15:10 | <johnny> if we all paid into a fund to hire developers who focused on these issues and who could work directly with upstream
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| 15:10 | <Lns> Nubae: actually i've seen a lot of effort to making tuxtype/paint/etc work better in LTSP
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| 15:10 | <johnny> we'd have what we wanted
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| 15:11 | <Nubae> Lns: really? where?
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| 15:11 | <Lns> lemme dig up the bugs
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| 15:11 | <johnny> he has who has the gold.. makes the rules..
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| 15:11 | and that is what happened
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| 15:11 | <Lns> Nubae: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082
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| 15:11 | <Nubae> yeah I reported that bug... from what Ive read debian set it to fixed
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| 15:12 | <johnny> oh.. and he who has the most commented bug reports too :)
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| 15:12 | when the users get really up in arms about something..
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| 15:12 | <Lns> johnny: gold isnt the issue i think.. it's momentum that will change things in the OSS world
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| 15:12 | * Lns looks at the "reported by" and laughs | |
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| 15:13 | <johnny> Lns, it's too bad thin clients are still too expensive for what they are
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| 15:13 | <Lns> johnny: that's changing every day
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| 15:13 | <johnny> you can buy an entire pc for not much over a thin clinet
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| 15:14 | Lns, perhaps some day.. you could hire me in trade for some thin clients..
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| 15:14 | to fix some annoyances of yours
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| 15:14 | <Lns> johnny: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200110.html?id=eTYHaDf7 going for $100
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| 15:14 | <Nubae> Lns: it shows as fixed, but nothing happened
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| 15:14 | <Lns> Nubae: hmm.
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| 15:14 | <johnny> Lns, i doubt that will do local apps
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| 15:14 | <Nubae> and Ive been following that from the beginning :p
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| 15:15 | <Lns> johnny: that wasn't your argument before =p
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| 15:15 | <Nubae> but we did what we could... lots of people commented
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| 15:15 | <Lns> Nubae: It was fixed in debian, ubuntu probably just needs to pull it down
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| 15:15 | <johnny> a tiny box with 512mb of ram and 700mhz proc and onboard video SHOULD NOT COST $200
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| 15:15 | <Nubae> how was it fixed in Debian?
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| 15:15 | where do u see that?
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| 15:15 | <johnny> or more even..
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| 15:16 | <Lns> Nubae: see the triaged bug
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| 15:16 | johnny: it's the size that's causing higher costs
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| 15:16 | <Nubae> i see the fix released comment, it was just changed from undecided to fix released without an actual fix release
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| 15:16 | thts my point
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| 15:17 | <johnny> Lns, give me something with the demensions of a standard laptop but thicker.. and i'd be happy :)
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| 15:17 | it doesn't have to hard drive or keyboard or optical
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| 15:17 | or batter
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| 15:17 | you'd think you could get something like that in the $150
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| 15:17 | range
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| 15:17 | <Nubae> Filing a bug to find out whether its a bug is not the right thing, sorry. Filing bugs in Debian is of course a good thing, but see above :) Making mistakes is also a good thing, _if_ this causes lessons to be learned. If this happens, I'm very happy about mistakes ;-)
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| 15:17 | that is the debian fix
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| 15:18 | theysaid it was SDL related and as such was not a debian bug
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| 15:18 | <Lns> Nubae: ah...so they're just confused
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| 15:18 | <Nubae> I've given up on it...
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| 15:18 | <Lns> Nubae: well upstream knows about it, maybe we need to squeak the wheels a bit more
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| 15:19 | <Nubae> You speak of ubuntu ltsp, of ubuntu sdl and ubuntu tux*. This bug might affect debian or might not. Please confirm it does, before filing bugs against debian packages.
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| 15:20 | <Lns> Nubae: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082/comments/15
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| 15:20 | <Nubae> thats teh debian guys
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| 15:20 | yep SDL is being blamed, which might be or might not be true... unfortunately I havent been able to get to a lab to verify that
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| 15:21 | <Lns> Nubae: well that's what we need to do
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| 15:21 | <Nubae> yep
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| 15:22 | <johnny> well.. valgrind sounds like a good idea
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| 15:22 | or even strace when it failz
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| 15:23 | <Lns> i was thinking strace too, since that's the only tool i've used for debugging before =p
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> Wow... I've been trying for months to send some patches to ipconfig to make LTSP work in 2 dhcp server environments (in 68 port), and I just found out that all I needed to do was add "IPAPPEND 1" to pxelinux.cfg/default!!! :(
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| 15:32 | Has anyone tried that before? I just tried it, and it passes ipconfig the same IP that was used during the pxe phase!
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| 15:33 | So only 1 dhcp request is made... I wonder why we don't use that be default
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| 15:33 | *by
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| 15:34 | <Lns> alkisg: do you mean it keeps the ORIGINAL lease or just gets the same IP in a 2nd lease request?
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| 15:34 | oh
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> Lns, there are no leases, there's no daemon running
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| 15:34 | <Lns> heh.. i need to read everything
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> But it gets the same ip
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| 15:34 | Ehm, I mean that we ignore any lease times :)
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| 15:35 | <Lns> wait
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> ipconfig runs just once. dhclients stays as a daemon, to ask for a renewal before leases expire
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| 15:35 | *dhclient
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| 15:37 | <Lns> ok
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> What would be a use case for having 2 dhcp servers running?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> to extract information from terrorists
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> sbalneav, in most schools in my country, there's a router/dhcp server for windows PCs, and if we want ltsp, we have to have a second ltsp/dhcp server
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> "talk, or we'll put up a THIRD dhcp server!"
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> heh
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| 15:39 | OK, we're just trying to save money... :)
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| 15:39 | We could give 400€ and buy a descent router, or always keep the ltsp server running
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| 15:39 | <sbalneav> So, either have the ltsp box handle both, or, simply isolate the thin clients on their own subnet
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> sbalneav, that would require money for another switch! :)
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| 15:40 | <Lns> or configure your router for pxe booting clients as well...i use IPCop and it's easy enough to do on that
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> Well, now everything's easy, all that's needed are some lines in pxelinux.cfg/default and in dhcpd.conf
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| 15:41 | Lns, the routers are very cheap, non configurable
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| 15:41 | <Lns> alkisg: gotcha
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| 15:41 | <sbalneav> Well, you must have SOME money, you've got an LTSP server and clients, how much is 1 extra switch?
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> Well, I'm happy! :P Adding some lines is the cheapest solution!!! :)
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| 15:42 | <sbalneav> Anyway, good fo you
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> sbalneav, I had to wait for 2 months to get 2 mice... don't get me started!!!
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| 15:42 | <sbalneav> but I don't think it should be a default.
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> sbalneav, why not? Can you think of any case where you would want a *different* IP? (pxe / ipconfig)
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> the pxelinux documentation recommends against using it ... (for some unknown reason)
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> uh... let me see... (you have any url?)
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> IPAPPEND ?
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> OK, I saw it.
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| 15:45 | It says that we have to use dhclient, but we're not to save memory
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> /usr/share/doc/syslinux/syslinux.txt.gz
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| 15:46 | although "IPAPPEND 2" sounds like a *really* good idea.
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> There's also IPAPPEND 3, which combines them
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> wow
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> I really can't see any reason to ask for a second lease, since we're not respecting lease times anyway.
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> i tend to agree.
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> But my problems are solved with just some line editing, so I don't mind!!! :)
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> i actually got some patches to initramfs-tools to make IPAPPEND work a couple years back :)
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| 15:50 | got some patches into
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> with IPOPTS, I know, I was very glad to find out!!!
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> gotta run.
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> bye!
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> !doco
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| 16:30 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 16:31 | <sbalneav> Heading home, be on later
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| 16:58 | <warren> sbalneav: vagrantc: The cdpinger segfaults distracted from other real problems
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| 16:58 | so it isn't bad to fix
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| 20:15 | <chupacabra> sbalneav: that your supybot?
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| 20:15 | oops
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| 20:26 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:59 | <davidj> jammcq: ping?
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| 21:00 | <sbalneav> Hey davidj!
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| 21:00 | <davidj> scotty!
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| 21:00 | How are you?
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| 21:01 | <sbalneav> Doin' fine. Yourself?
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| 21:01 | <davidj> Good. The family's healthy, business is odd.
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| 21:01 | business has been running really hot or stone cold for a month or so.
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| 21:02 | Are you going to Maine this year?
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| 21:02 | <sbalneav> I sure am!
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| 21:03 | <davidj> I'll try to drop in via irc. Best I can do this year...
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| 21:06 | Are you watching our elections?
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| 21:07 | <sbalneav> I sure am!
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| 21:08 | <davidj> Are you entertained or terrified?
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| 21:10 | <sbalneav> Little of both. Entertained by watching McPain/Failin flounder around like a couple of goofs, terrified at the prospect that they may win. Fortunately, recently that doesn't look likely.
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| 21:13 | <davidj> Any chance the RMCP might arrest her on her way back to Alaska? ;-)
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| 21:15 | <sbalneav> Nah.
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| 21:15 | <davidj> that's too back.
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| 21:15 | s/back/bad/
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| 21:15 | I really just stopped by to say I won't be able to come this year.
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| 21:15 | <sbalneav> Well, you know, she's got all the foreign policy experience by having us as neighbours :)
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| 21:16 | That's too bad. Would have been fun to have you there!
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| 21:16 | <davidj> That, and she can see Russia from her house!
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| 21:16 | <sbalneav> Putin's givin her the googly eyes.
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| 21:16 | <davidj> I've looked forward to BTS every fall for three or four years now.
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| 21:17 | <sbalneav> We'll be there next year.
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| 21:17 | And the year after.
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| 21:17 | <davidj> I plan to be there next year.
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| 21:17 | Hello, warren. How are you?
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| 21:17 | <sbalneav> Hey warren!
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| 21:17 | How's Japan?
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| 21:17 | <warren> Eric said he wont go to BTS.
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| 21:18 | To be honest, I don't want to go because I'm incredibly exhausted now.
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| 21:18 | I don't return to America for 6 days, and it will be ROUGH to adjust back to the timezone.
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| 21:18 | <davidj> You could come and stay on Japan time.
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| 21:18 | <johnny> i'd love to go myself.. but i just can't afford it atm
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| 21:18 | <sbalneav> No? Well, if you're NOT there, then you just miss out on fun + beer + lobster :)
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| 21:18 | <davidj> Scott's a night owl.
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| 21:19 | <sbalneav> Night hawk
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| 21:19 | http://nsm.uh.edu/~dgraur/Images/hopper.nighthawks.jpg
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| 21:19 | <johnny> hehe
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| 21:20 | <sbalneav> That's me, with my back to the street :)
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| 21:20 | Wow, I've managed to reference a shakespearian play, AND an Edward Hopper painting in one day.
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| 21:21 | <davidj> The worst jetlag I ever had was when I flew from Madrid, to New York, to Mexico City, to Madrid, and back to Atlanta in 6 days. I think I passed myself on the way somewhere.
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| 21:21 | <sbalneav> That's my mission: to bring culture to this channel.
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| 21:21 | Did you wave, at least?
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| 21:21 | Never hurts to be friendly.
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| 21:22 | warren: Did your nasal problems clear up?
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| 21:22 | <warren> sbalneav: like today, yes.
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| 21:23 | day 5 of antibiotics, the thick yellow mucus is gone
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| 21:23 | <davidj> sbalneav: Thanks for the link to the painting.
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| 21:23 | warren: Stay in Japan until you're healthy! ;-)
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> Makes a great background
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| 21:23 | <warren> the food here is certainly helping
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| 21:23 | <warren> the "junk food" is healthier than what I usually eat
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| 21:24 | <sbalneav> That's like, one of the most parodied paintings in history. Right behind the Mona Lisa, I think.
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| 21:24 | <davidj> warren: I've heard all kinds of jokes about the food in Tokyo.
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| 21:25 | Never been there, though.
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| 21:25 | <warren> jokes?
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| 21:25 | the food here is great
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| 21:25 | <sbalneav> heh, you're in Japan, you didn't need antibiotics, just ask for an extra large helping of Wasabi and eat it all at once. THAT will clean out your sinuses :)
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| 21:25 | <warren> sbalneav: the health care is great too, after I nearly kill myself doing that.
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| 21:25 | <davidj> heh
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| 21:26 | <sbalneav> They've got public healthcare there, don't they?
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| 21:26 | <davidj> Real wasabi is really good.
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| 21:26 | <warren> sbalneav: ooh, last night, Eric Harrison nearly killed himself with a capcaisin infused hard liquor sauce. most burning thing he ever tasted.
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| 21:26 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 21:26 | Got a little hot under the collar, did he?
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| 21:27 | <davidj> Man, and I seem to remember he has a very high tolerance.
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| 21:27 | <warren> yes, he has no problem with normal hot sauce
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| 21:27 | but this was killer
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> If your back and upper lip aren't sweating, the food's not hot enough :)
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| 21:27 | <warren> I put only one drop of it into my soup and it completely changed the flavor
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| 21:27 | <davidj> I prefer the heat from horseradish and wasabi
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| 21:27 | <warren> He drank half a sake cup
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| 21:27 | BAD IDEA
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> hehehe
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| 21:28 | Did he down it in one gulp?
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| 21:28 | <warren> yes
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| 21:28 | <sbalneav> Good man.
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| 21:28 | <davidj> If it feels like you've just been kicked in the back of the head by a mule, it might be strong enough.
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| 21:28 | heh
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| 21:28 | <sbalneav> Got any pictures of your trip online?
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| 21:28 | <davidj> Did you get a picture?
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| 21:28 | <warren> ooh... and a few nights ago we had a HUGE amount of kobe beef
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| 21:28 | in Kobe
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| 21:29 | Kobe beef is normally too expensive to eat. It has completely ruined all other beef for me now.
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| 21:29 | <warren> eric has some pictures
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| 21:29 | dunno where though
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| 21:30 | <sbalneav> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/4_Kobe_Beef%2C_Kobe_Japan.jpg
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| 21:30 | <warren> read about how they massage the cows and feed them beer
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| 21:30 | <sbalneav> I wish I could oneday go to Japan. I've always wanted to own a REAL go board.
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| 21:30 | I play go.
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| 21:31 | <davidj> You play go?
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| 21:31 | I wish I knew that last year.
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| 21:31 | <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:My_Go_Equipment_3.JPG
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| 21:31 | <warren> http://eharrison.mesd.k12.or.us/gallery/Yao
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| 21:31 | <sbalneav> davidj: You play go too?
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| 21:31 | <davidj> Not well, but yes.
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| 21:32 | <sbalneav> Great game.
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| 21:32 | <davidj> it is.
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| 21:32 | <sbalneav> Everybody rages on and on about chess, but once you've played go, there's simply no comparison.
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| 21:32 | <long go story to follow>
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| 21:33 | So, years ago, on my first trip to San Fransisco, I visited the Go club there.
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| 21:33 | Met an interesting variety of characters.
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| 21:34 | Met Nolan Bushnell, the founder of Atari
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| 21:34 | And yes, that's where he got the name from. He was a 3 dan player at that time.
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| 21:34 | Played several games with a homeless vietnam vet who learned the game overseas.
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| 21:35 | And about 5 games with a "Mr. Ishiki" or "Ishiri" or something like that...
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| 21:35 | Kindly old japanese man in his 80's
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| 21:35 | No matter how I played, what I did, he'd always beat me by 1 point. Exactly.
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| 21:36 | <chupacabra> sbalneav: that your supybot?
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| 21:36 | <davidj> he
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| 21:36 | <sbalneav> who? ltspbot?
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| 21:36 | he's mine
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| 21:36 | <chupacabra> ya
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| 21:36 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: status
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| 21:36 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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| 21:36 | <chupacabra> I couldn't get mine to be talkative enough.
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| 21:37 | <sbalneav> So, turns out this nice old guy's like a 9 dan go player, and basically, he can literally manipulate all the sente's to the point where he can always just beat you by one point
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| 21:37 | because beating you by more he considered as "impolite".
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| 21:38 | He had some of the most awsome moves I'd ever seen.
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| 21:38 | Anyway: great game.
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| 21:39 | chupacabra: Want me to send you my configs?
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| 21:40 | <davidj> Sounds like fun.
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| 21:45 | warren: Please tell Eric we want a picture of him drinking half a sake cup...
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| 21:51 | 'night, Scotty.
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| 21:51 | 'night, Warren.
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| 22:06 | <chupacabra> sbalneav: this one is too quiet for me and where I want to put him but yes, I'd love to peruse some good confog files.
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| 22:07 | <sbalneav> chupacabra: Where should I mail 'em too
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| 22:07 | <chupacabra> I have one on #amahi in here but he needs to be more proactive.
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| 22:07 | linuxlink@gmail.com
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| 22:07 | <sbalneav> He's not quiet, he just doesn't speak until spoken to.
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| 22:07 | ltspbot: google ltsp
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| 22:07 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Search took 0.16 seconds: Linux Terminal Server Project: <http://www.ltsp.org/>; Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia Homepage: <http://www.ltsp.edu/>; Linux Terminal Server Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project>; LTSP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTSP>; Linux Terminal (2 more messages)
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| 22:07 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: weather ywg
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| 22:07 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "weather" is not a valid command.
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| 22:08 | <chupacabra> you keeping Canada honest?
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| 22:08 | <sbalneav> yeah, it's not hard. We're an honest bunch up here :)
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| 22:08 | 2 seconds, I'll mail 'em
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| 22:08 | <chupacabra> hehe
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| 22:08 | no hurry
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| 22:09 | redhat says the downturn is good for open source.
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| 22:09 | I have to agree.
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| 22:12 | <sbalneav> So do I. Poeople have been putting off moving from XP to Vista. With the downturn, what are they gonna do? Go out and re-buy all their dessktops to be vista capable? Or.... the alternative? :)
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| 22:13 | sent
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| 22:20 | <johnny> i can't imagine using adobe reader ever again after using evince
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| 22:21 | <chupacabra> 5~5~5~5~5~5~
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| 22:21 | scotty that is so true
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| 22:22 | you read about the small box cray just put on the market. great ltsp server.
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| 22:23 | * chupacabra needs to try evince | |
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| 22:26 | <johnny> chupacabra, well.. i assume anything based on poppler would be fine
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| 22:27 | i'm always impressed at the intersection between pango, cairo and gtk
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| 22:27 | those guys are swell
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| 22:28 | superduperswell
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| 22:28 | <ogra> hyperswell ?
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| 22:28 | <johnny> morning ogra!
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| 22:28 | ogra, sure why not :)
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| 22:29 | <ogra> heh, morning ? right, there was that thing
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| 22:29 | <stgraber> ogra: hmm, you didn't sleep ? :) isn't like 5am your time ?
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| 22:30 | <ogra> 5:30
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| 22:30 | it was considered that the mobie images should become official in intrepid ... so the build and publishing system needed to be changed
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| 22:31 | i'm working since 10am yesterday
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| 22:32 | <stgraber> Sounds like release week :)
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| 22:32 | <ogra> not even that
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| 22:32 | its the one before
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| 22:33 | * ogra is scared of the weekend | |
| 22:34 | <stgraber> well at least looking at the number of fix that were included last-minute in RC, the delta between RC and final should be low so we shouldn't have any major issue with final (/me has bad memories of some unionfs issue a while ago ...)
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| 22:34 | <ogra> yeah
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| 22:34 | well, i have a good bunch of stuff
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| 22:34 | and the madwifi situation is still open
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| 22:34 | <johnny> ogra, how about the session saving bug in gnome-session
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| 22:34 | <stgraber> hmm, the madwifi vs ath5k thing ?
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| 22:35 | <johnny> is that a big deal for you guys?
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| 22:35 | <ogra> stgraber, right
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| 22:35 | johnny, ?
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| 22:35 | <stgraber> johnny: we don't have session saving turned on by default so I haven't seen any problem myself
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| 22:35 | <ogra> session saving bug ?
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| 22:36 | we dont even use the session dialogs anymore
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| 22:36 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 22:37 | <johnny> don't use em?
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| 22:37 | do you remove it from the menu or something?
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| 22:37 | <ogra> from the panel
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| 22:38 | ubuntu uses a hacked up fusa for logout/power management/screen locking etc
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| 22:38 | <johnny> no.. not that.. i mean under Preferences | Sessions
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| 22:39 | i know a lot of folks who are upset about that
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| 22:39 | <ogra> what is with it ?
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| 22:39 | <johnny> you can't choose to save your sessions, it's a regression
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| 22:39 | <ogra> "Remember Currently Running Applications" is the button i see
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| 22:39 | <stgraber> johnny: Options tab: Automatically remember running applications when logging out ?
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| 22:39 | <ogra> and a checkbox above
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| 22:40 | <stgraber> we have that, I don't use it (I don't like session saving) but at least it's there
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| 22:40 | <ogra> no regression here
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| 22:40 | <johnny> guess your folks fixed it :)
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| 22:41 | <sbalneav> Reinstalling Intrepid
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| 22:41 | <ogra> sure, would be a regression and upset our users, you know ;)
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| 22:59 | <johnny> good words for our times..
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| 22:59 | out of the chaos the future emerges in harmony and beauty -- emma goldman
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| 23:09 | <chupacabra> sbalneav: thank you.
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| 23:49 | johnny: hidy
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