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07:12 | <vmlintu> morning
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08:17 | <rickogden> morning all
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11:30 | <rickogden> hi, I'm trying to get ltsp-pnp working on Ubuntu 12.04 and getting "Error: Socket failed: Connection refused" during boot. Anyone come across this in the latest version?
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12:43 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, shouldn't sys/* be in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes for ltsp-pnp?
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13:03 | I've installed ltsp-pnp, but pxelinux.0 isn't installed in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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13:03 | What now?
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13:07 | <rickogden> Hyperbyte: did you run /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels?
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13:11 | <Hyperbyte> rickogden, don't have it
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13:12 | Oh I do
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13:12 | Huh
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13:12 | Must've been copy/paste error
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13:12 | Just ran it - still don't have it
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13:14 | <rickogden> and this ltsp-update-image --cleanup / ?
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13:14 | Hyperbyte: it is a 32 install right?
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13:15 | s/32/32bit
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13:15 | <Hyperbyte> Yes.
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13:15 | Maybe I ran it in the wrong order now... let me retry.
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13:16 | <rickogden> hmm, the update-kernels script (iirc) is where the pxelinux.0 should be created
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13:23 | <Hyperbyte> Right, that did it.
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13:23 | update-kernels has to be ran before ltsp-update-image
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13:23 | dóh.
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13:27 | <rickogden> :)
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13:28 | I noticed that the bbd-server authfile is looking for /etc/ltsp/nbd-server.allow (which doesn't exist), is this correct in ltsp-pnp?
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13:28 | bbd-server even
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13:28 | argh! autocorrect
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13:28 | nbd-server
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13:31 | <Hyperbyte> No idea
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13:32 | "IP-Config: no response after 2 secs - giving up" Does that mean anything to you?
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13:33 | <rickogden> Hyperbyte: did you add the IPAPPEND 3?
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13:33 | <rickogden> and are you running a separate dhcp server?
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13:33 | <Hyperbyte> I'm running a seperate dhcp server
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13:34 | alkisg said I shouldn't do IPAPPEND=3 then
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13:34 | <Hyperbyte> So I skipped that
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13:34 | <rickogden> oh right, hmm
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13:35 | <Hyperbyte> I can retry with IPAPPEND=3
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13:35 | ?
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13:35 | <rickogden> if alkisg said not to I'd listen to him, I'm no expert at this
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13:35 | I'm doing a similar thing to you except just slightly further ahead :)
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13:37 | so why did alkisg say not to do IPAPPEND? As it may be relevant to my own situation.
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13:39 | <Hyperbyte> I've added IPAPPEND and updated kernels, but doesn't change anything
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13:39 | I get some errors right after fetching pxelinux.cfg/default, amongst the one above, then it waits a bit, spits out a bunch more errors (which I can't read, too fast) and now I'm in BusyBox
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13:43 | <rickogden> remove the "quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7" from the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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13:43 | and see if you can read anything
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14:18 | <Hyperbyte> Nah, it's not the splash, it's busybox that's clearing the screen
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14:27 | <Hyperbyte> Insufficient information to set up nbd?!
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15:20 | <vmlintu> yay, got lightdm more or less to work for thin client sessions instead of ldm..
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15:20 | <Hyperbyte> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP#Failure:_Insufficient_Information_to_set_up_nbd.2C_quitting
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15:20 | That's awesome - where do I change that? I don't see a reference to nbdroot anywhre.
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16:31 | <uskerine> hi, i am having issues from time to time while logging from thin clients. Sometimes user sessions seems to get stuck and I have to enter via ssh and delete .cache directory under /home so users can log in again, otherwise session start never completes, is there any way to incorporate that .cache erase before anything else?
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16:53 | <Rob_Z> Mr McQuillan?
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16:57 | or anyone else involved with 4.2 & the mirror
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17:18 | <Hyperbyte> Rob_Z, what do you need?
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17:20 | Hrm... I got ltsp-pnp to get further now, but now it says that the image is a few million MB in size, and that it can't mount images that large
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17:20 | In fact, it is 1.2 GB
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17:21 | <Rob_Z> I maintain mirrors.tds.net and I just had a quick question or 2
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17:22 | <Hyperbyte> !ask
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17:22 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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17:26 | <knipwim> Hyperbyte: wasn't jamcq on holiday?
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17:27 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, yeah, Rob_Z and I sorted it out.
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17:27 | <knipwim> check
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17:27 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, could you help me with my nbd problem maybe?
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17:28 | <knipwim> probably not, gentoo doesn't use nbd
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17:28 | but reading the size problem, i had something like it when testing
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17:28 | the generated image was ok, but when mounting it complained about the size
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17:29 | <Hyperbyte> Sounds like what's happening here. Did you solve it?
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17:29 | <knipwim> Negotiation: ..size= 4229768MBError: Exported device is too big for
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17:29 | me. Get 64-bit machine :-(
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17:29 | that was the error ^^^
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17:30 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, I get similar...
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17:30 | So, did you resolve the issue?
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17:30 | <knipwim> nope
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17:31 | <Hyperbyte> On some mailing lists it said that it only happens when using named exports
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17:31 | <knipwim> i still don't know if it is an image problem
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17:31 | or initramfs problem
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17:31 | <Hyperbyte> Is it easy to convert 12.04 to use port-based exports again?
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17:31 | <knipwim> hmm, could be, exporting port based works, but i never tested that in an actual boot
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17:32 | maybe it is a 64bit problem
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17:32 | <Hyperbyte> I'm using i386 though.
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17:33 | <knipwim> did you create the image on a 64bit machine, and are booting with an x86?
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17:33 | i'm just guessing here
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17:33 | <Hyperbyte> No, i386 on all accounts. It is a virtual machine though.
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17:33 | (the one where I created the image)
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17:33 | Booting with a real one.
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17:35 | <knipwim> you probably only have to change your nbd-server settings, and nbd boot settings to use port based nbd's
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17:36 | <Hyperbyte> Can you tell me what I need to do exactly?
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17:40 | <knipwim> i think the nbd-server file is only for name-based exports
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17:40 | check out the man page to see the command to run for a port-based exports
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17:42 | and as for the boot options, I use dnsmasq to provide a kernel boot option for that
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17:42 | like option:root-path,nbd:192.168.0.1:2000:squashfs:ro
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18:17 | <stgraber> vagrantc: heya
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18:18 | vagrantc: I'm busy merging ltsp from Debian, so far going through debian/control (and didn't spot anything to change yet), expecting it to take a few more hours to go through the rest. I'll let you know what delta I end up with.
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18:19 | my guess is that I'll at least get some delta on the udeb and matching templates and translations
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18:20 | vagrantc: oh, and we don't seem to agree on ltsp-client-core too, will use some Vendor magics there for now ;)
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18:28 | actually looking at ltsp-client, the delta in ltsp-client-core is pretty minimal and might actually be unneeded but I'd have to check the upstream code to be sure
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18:28 | basically I end up having: pciutils, usbutils, udhcpc and busybox-static
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18:28 | <vagrantc> stgraber: cool :)
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18:28 | the X-Ubuntu-Depends should handle that nicely.
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18:28 | <stgraber> pciutils and usbutils might not be needed (depends if we check on lspci/lsusb in the code), udhcpc is needed as at least Ubuntu uses udhcpc instead of ipconfig
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18:29 | busybox-static is an hack to prevent the system from trying to install both busybox and busybox-static by forcing -static from the beginning (speeds up dpkg a little and avoids an extra package on the media IIRC)
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18:30 | vagrantc: cryptsetup?? does that actually work with LTSP? :)
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18:34 | <vagrantc> stgraber: for encrypted swap
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18:38 | <stgraber> vagrantc: debian/control looks like that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1121930/
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18:39 | I'm pretty sure wget is required for ltsp-cluster, AFAIK there's nothing preventing it from working on Debian so you might consider adding that one
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18:39 | though you might be inheriting it from something else, these things changes quite often ;)
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18:40 | <uskerine> I am using a modern server qith 16Gb RAM and 4 CPUs (Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31220 @ 3.10GHz with 4 cores each), I have three users using mainly firefox, libre office and skype. They are complaining that it is quite slow
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18:41 | <vagrantc> stgraber: aren't there client-side ltsp-cluster packages, or just server-side?
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18:41 | <uskerine> i am using XFCE (xubuntu) with LTSP
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18:41 | <stgraber> vagrantc: just server side, all the client side is in ltsp-trunk (and maybe some bits in ldm-trunk)
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18:41 | <uskerine> does anyone have an idea on which user experience can you get for office users?
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18:41 | <vagrantc> stgraber: ah, ok.
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18:42 | * vagrantc still has yet to find the time to actually experimental with ltsp-cluster | |
18:44 | <stgraber> now to merge debian/rules, that'll be fun ;)
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18:44 | <vagrantc> stgraber: should be trivial
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18:45 | stgraber: just take mine, you're not doing anything fancy :P
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18:45 | <stgraber> well, Ubuntu was still on pre-dh7 style, so I actually need to read it all and figure out what extra bits Ubuntu needs
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18:45 | my guess is that we just need the upstart jobs
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18:45 | <vagrantc> stgraber: you mean you can't use dh8?
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18:45 | stgraber: i added upstart jobs
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18:46 | stgraber: since the debian package could in theory use them
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18:46 | <stgraber> oh nice, then no delta ;)
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18:46 | <vagrantc> so it has support for both init scripts and upstart jobs
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18:47 | <stgraber> I'm definitely moving to the new fancy dh, it's just that my current packaging doesn't, so the diff is quite ugly ;)
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18:51 | <vagrantc> finally gave the thin clients at freegeek some real hardware, and ubuntu, and now people watch (presumably HTML5) videos on LTSP
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18:52 | * vagrantc is dumbfounded | |
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19:10 | <stgraber> vagrantc: ltsp-client-core delta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1121997/
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19:10 | not sure the "Ubuntu/share" stuff is right, but the rest should be (missing ltsp-open and getltscfg-cluster)
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19:12 | just 4 files left and I'll be able to do a test build and compare the resulting binaries for anything I missed
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19:37 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: here?
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19:38 | <stgraber> alkisg: pretty close to having ltsp merged for quantal, just need to finish dealing with a postinst and with ltsp-client-builder
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19:39 | <alkisg> stgraber: cool! We're using the debian ltsp package unmodified here, worked fine so far, but I didn't look into the details (fonts etc) as we're either using only thins, or only fats+ltsp-pnp, so we didn't test all cases...
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19:40 | <stgraber> alkisg: yeah, the delta isn't too big and can probably be made even smaller once I check what we actually need
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19:41 | <alkisg> stgraber: ideally, it'd be nice if any changes could be incorporated into the same source debian/ dir, so that the differences result from debuild running on different distros...
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19:41 | Hyperbyte: typical command line in pxelinux.cfg/default: append ro initrd=initrd.img-3.2.0-25-generic-pae init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7 root=/dev/nbd0
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19:41 | <stgraber> hmm, Debian still uses nbdswapd in /etc/inetd.conf??
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19:42 | <alkisg> Maybe both...
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19:42 | <stgraber> alkisg: yeah, the changes to debian/control should be easy to merge, the changes to the debian-installer stuff and .install will be a bit trickier
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19:45 | alkisg: do we still need ltsp-server.postinst to generate /etc/nbd-server/config if it doesn't exist?
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19:45 | or was that fixed in nbd?
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19:46 | <alkisg> stgraber: that logic was moved to ltsp-config, but I'm not sure if it's called from postinst
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19:46 | <vagrantc> stgraber: shouldn't really be using nbdswapd from inetd
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19:46 | it would be a debian policy violation to do that from postinst on debian
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19:46 | * alkisg has to use his mobile phone instead of his laptop, so less typing from now on... :D | |
19:46 | <stgraber> vagrantc: yeah, Ubuntu dropped the update-inetd call, but you still have it in Debian
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19:47 | <vagrantc> newish versions of nbd ship /etc/nbd-server/config that supports /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/*
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19:47 | <vagrantc> stgraber: hm.
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19:47 | <stgraber> yeah, we had that nbd for a while, though the debconf template was broken and wouldn't generate /etc/nbd-server/config ;) so I had to cp the template to /etc/nbd-server/config in the postinst ;)
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19:48 | # enable the ldm info daemon in inetd.conf
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19:48 | update-inetd --group LTSP --add "9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd"
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19:48 | vagrantc: ^ you have that in ltsp-server.postinst
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19:48 | <vagrantc> oops.
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19:48 | <stgraber> the comment is a lie and the line shouldn't be needed ;)
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19:48 | <vagrantc> heh
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21:48 | <stgraber> ok, merge with Debian done, now to test build that stuff ;)
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22:14 | <uskerine> hi, when i do chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 i can not resolve DNS names
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22:14 | network works fine with IPs
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22:14 | any idea on where should i look for?
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22:16 | /etc/resolv.conf seems that no longer has the nameservers
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22:16 | where should i look for?
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23:24 | <vagrantc> oh, uskerine ... had you wated just 10 more minutes...
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23:24 | * vagrantc suspects it was a symlink pointing to nowhere | |