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03:35 | <ftherese> I'm only finding old stuff about playing audio CD's on ltsp... the newest is a bug that audio cd's do not play (bug 390865 on launchpad ltsp) have there been any developments that allow audio cd's inserted in the client to play on the client?
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03:36 | <alkisg_work> That should be possible with some audio player installed as a localapp...
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04:11 | <Guest64439> hi
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04:11 | <banias> ss
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04:11 | hi all
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04:11 | is there any one?
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04:18 | lala
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04:18 | hu huu?
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04:18 | aloo
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04:19 | banias@gmail.com contact me pls. about LTSP
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04:19 | <Appiah> ?
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04:26 | <isojussi> is good idea to updgrade to 9.10 ? any known bugs etc?
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04:27 | <Appiah> alot of known bugs
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04:28 | like there are on jaunty
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04:28 | and the version before that
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04:28 | and before that...
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04:28 | my tip is to get a 9.10 live on a usb thumbdrive, try it and see if anything important such as networking does not work
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04:29 | oh wait this the LTSP channel :D
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05:40 | <ftherese> sorry... to come back to the question about cd audio playing on the thin client... VLC doesn't work for some reason.
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05:48 | <ftherese> I get this error from vlc
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05:48 | main input error: open of `cdda:///dev/cdrom' failed: could not create access
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05:48 | <ogra> add your user to the cdrom group
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06:00 | <ftherese> hmmm when I try to do this: sudo usermod -a cdrom infobureau
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06:00 | it tells me there has been no change
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06:00 | and if I look a groups infobureau
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06:00 | that user is only in the infobureau group
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07:48 | <coordinador> Hi everybody
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07:48 | Why sometimes the mouse pointer and all the graphic interface sticks like each 1 sec?
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07:51 | <Appiah> hmm
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07:52 | Thats a problem you can experince without LTSP
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07:52 | Dunno what caused this
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07:54 | <Appiah> see what mouse driver x uses coordinador
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07:54 | and force another one and see if it helps
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07:55 | <coordinador> Appiah, all the graphics, not just the mouse pointer
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07:55 | the videos, the windows, etc..
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08:08 | <coordinador> why some of users have the 30% of cpu used with command mixer_applet2 ?
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08:11 | i was investigating and i found that is an old bug :"After a little more searching about, it appears that this is a known (Bug #150089 in Ubuntu)."
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08:11 | but this information is from 2007 :S
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08:12 | this information i found here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=624939
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08:15 | <Appiah> well you can try it
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08:15 | I had this problem "back in the days" on several x installs
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08:16 | <coordinador> but, how did you fix it permanently?
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08:21 | <Appiah> ... by changing the mouse driver from auto
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08:21 | this was when xorg could not run without a xorg.conf...
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08:25 | <coordinador> humm
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08:26 | <Appiah> just try it on one client by adding its mac address to lts.conf
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08:26 | and forcing another input
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08:26 | <coordinador> which kind of client do you have?
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08:27 | <Appiah> Like I said
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08:27 | General Linux problem
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08:27 | <coordinador> oh i see
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08:27 | <Appiah> but have not seen it for a long time
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08:28 | <coordinador> but it happened to you, the freezing, only happened to the mouse pointer, or to all windows?
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08:30 | <Appiah> everything
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08:30 | <coordinador> oh
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08:42 | Appiah, did you have experienced that some of users have the 30% of cpu used with command mixer_applet2 ?
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08:44 | <Appiah> nope
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08:55 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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08:56 | <sbalneav> coordinador: which version of Ubuntu are you currently running>
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08:56 | ?
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08:56 | <coordinador> 9.04
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08:56 | good morning
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08:57 | <sbalneav> have you updated both your server and the chroot, by adding stgraber's ppa to the apt sources in both?
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09:00 | In case anyone's interested, I've updated my ppa with a new version of Sabayon for Karmic. This is for 2.29 sabayon, which supports apply-by-group
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09:00 | I'd be interested in any feedback, either here, or in #sabayon
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09:09 | <Blinny> NicE~!
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09:20 | <fasthans> hello friends. is there a way to setup the dhcp server so that only some known clients will boot from the server?
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09:21 | <Appiah> reserv only DHCP server?
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09:21 | (dont know if thats the name)
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09:21 | but should be a way
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09:21 | <sbalneav> fasthans: yes
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09:21 | <fasthans> ok I will check if I find it.
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09:22 | <sbalneav> just specify certain mac addresses in the setup
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09:22 | <fasthans> so all other computers would ignore the dhcp server in this case?
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09:22 | <Appiah> they wont get an IP from that DHCP server
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09:22 | it will deny them
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09:24 | <fasthans> off of my head, in the dhcpd.conf file, at the top there is the definition which image to take and the dhcp range. do I have to specify this for each client then?
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09:25 | I mean, this is the default for every client right? and then I can specify the mac for certain clients.
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09:26 | <garymc> anyone know if i should upgrade to Karmic Koala?
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09:26 | <fasthans> so the ones where I specify a mac have other settings, but what about those that are not listed specificly? will they not be handled as defaults?
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09:27 | <garymc> its telling me in my gui to upgrade to 9.10 karmic koala...
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09:29 | <fasthans> garymc: you can if you want to. it would upgrade your system to the newset version
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09:29 | garymc: are you running edubuntu
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09:31 | <garymc> i think so. I downloaded Ubuntu for LTSP
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09:31 | Ubuntu Alternate 9.04 disk
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09:31 | <fasthans> so you are running a 9.04 server and multiple clients?
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09:32 | <garymc> yes
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09:32 | is it worth doing?
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09:32 | will it mess with my current config etc?
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09:33 | <fasthans> I don't know. you should test it first.
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09:33 | <garymc> wel the system is currnetly getting used, so dont wanna mess it up
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09:33 | <fasthans> it is always difficult to say. depends on your system.
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09:33 | <garymc> ok
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09:33 | what are the advantages?
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09:33 | of 9.10 over 9.04
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09:33 | <fasthans> do you have a separate system?
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09:34 | advantages? go to edubuntu.org there is a list of new features.
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09:37 | here it is: http://www.edubuntu.org/9.10/releasenotes
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09:40 | <sbalneav> garymc: As per ANY system upgrade of a production system, you should test on a different system first, and of course, when you have tested, and things are working to your satisfaction, a FULL, COMPLETE, AND TESTED backup of the production system is manditory, IMHO
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09:41 | <Gadi> yeah, because maybe the new one won't print from different paper trays
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09:41 | for example
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09:41 | ;)
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09:42 | <Appiah> :D
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09:42 | <sbalneav> Yup!
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09:43 | That's why I'm testing now, six months before I even CONSIDER updating to lucid.
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09:44 | Hmmm, having trouble with a dput
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09:44 | stgraber: You about, my friend?
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09:44 | <rjune> sbalneav, you're too paranoid. Just roll at it, nothing bad will ever happen, right?
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09:45 | <sbalneav> Oh, no no. There's NEVER any regressions
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09:45 | *cough* printing empathy cd-burning gdm *cough*
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09:45 | <rjune> and contributed fixes *NEVER* get forgotten
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09:45 | <sbalneav> Absolutely
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09:46 | <rjune> it's all happy and pretty in ubuntu land
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09:46 | the sky is always blue, and there are never any clouds.
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09:46 | * sbalneav forces rictus grin | |
09:46 | <stgraber> sbalneav: yep
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09:46 | <sbalneav> hey
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09:46 | OK, I'm trying to dump something in the edubuntu-dev package arvive
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09:47 | here's my dput stanza:
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09:47 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted ".dput.cf stanza" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/6
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09:48 | <sbalneav> I get a mail back saying:
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09:48 | Rejected:
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09:48 | Launchpad failed to process the upload path 'edubuntu-dev/edubuntu-testing/ubuntu':
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09:48 | Path format mismatch.
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09:48 | Any idears?
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09:50 | <stgraber> looking
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09:51 | try with a ~ before edubuntu-dev
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09:52 | <sbalneav> hmmm ok, I thought of that, but the edubuntu-dev ppa page doesn't list it. However, I'll give it the old college try. Uno momento
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09:58 | That appears to have worked!
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10:10 | <coordinador> hi i hav a weird problem, my gdm produces a "out of range" message, but when i blindly write my login and pass, and enter to gnome the monitor works fine
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10:10 | <coordinador> That is only in the server
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10:10 | in clients gdm works fine
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10:12 | <sbalneav> coordinador: Looks like X isn't autodetecting your resolution correctly
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10:12 | you may need to tweak your xorg.conf file to your monitor.
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10:13 | <coordinador> humm
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10:13 | i added the display section with modes "1024x768" but i didnt worked for me
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10:13 | <sbalneav> So, you didn't do it right then :)
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10:13 | <Gadi> coordinador: add: X_HORZSYNC = 30-100 X_VERTREFRESH = 55-75
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10:14 | on separate lines
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10:14 | <Gadi> to lts.conf
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10:14 | <sbalneav> Gadi: it's not the clients
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10:14 | it's his server's consle
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10:14 | <Gadi> ah
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10:14 | <coordinador> Gadi, how could it be in the server xorg.conf?
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10:14 | <Gadi> try: sudo pkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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10:14 | er
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10:14 | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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10:14 | <sbalneav> that's worth a try!
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10:14 | good one.
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10:14 | <coordinador> i already tried
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10:15 | <Gadi> ah, then in the server's xorg.conf
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10:15 | in the Monitor section
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10:15 | add:
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10:15 | HorizSync 30-100
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10:15 | VertRefresh 55-75
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10:16 | <coordinador> Modes "1024x768" HorizSync 30-100 VertRefresh 55-75 like this?
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10:16 | or after Modes line?
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10:16 | <Gadi> well, Modes is in the device section
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10:16 | <johnny> weird that you would have to specify resolution like that
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10:17 | <Gadi> I mean Display subsection
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10:17 | of the Scren section
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10:17 | *Screen
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10:17 | the Sync info should go with the monitor, I believe
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10:17 | <coordinador> yes, pretty weird
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10:18 | ok, ill check that
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10:18 | <Gadi> you most likely do not need to specify the mode
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10:18 | only the sync frequencies
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10:18 | and make sure they match your monitor
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10:18 | <coordinador> well, i have Section screen, inside there is subsection display and inside there is Depth and Modes
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10:18 | <Gadi> right
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10:19 | <coordinador> in Monitor section i only have "identifier"
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10:19 | <Gadi> the problem is the mode it is choosing is out of sync range of yourmonitor
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10:19 | most likely your monitor lacks ddc support
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10:19 | <coordinador> the only mode that i have is Modes "1024x768_60" "800x600"
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10:19 | <Gadi> are you sure that is a valid Mode name?
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10:20 | * Gadi doubts it is | |
10:20 | <coordinador> i found it in the internets :P
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10:20 | <Gadi> look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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10:20 | <coordinador> Modes "1024x768" is it ok?
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10:20 | ok
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10:20 | <Gadi> it will give you all the details of the Modes for your driver that it accepts
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10:21 | yeah, 1024x768 is most likely a valid mode
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10:21 | <Gadi> built into the driver
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10:22 | <coordinador> i am checking Xorg.0.log and there is a lot of things, the final line is: disable primary dac
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10:23 | oh god! it works!!
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10:24 | i will reboot server to check everything works fine from the beginning
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10:24 | thank you very much
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10:24 | good bye
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10:24 | i have to reboot
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10:24 | bye
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10:29 | <Blinny> heh
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10:29 | oh god!
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10:29 | Gadi: You should instruct him in the proper spelling of 'gadi'
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11:17 | <ctkr> On my Ubuntu LTSP network, I have one HP t5135 thin client that will boot up to the login screen but refuses to login with any user. Ideas?
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11:18 | <ogra> check ~/.xsession-errors of that user
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11:22 | <ctkr> Last line is: Unable to open X display localhost:17.0
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11:23 | <ogra> thats a standard ubuntu installation ?
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11:23 | <ctkr> yes
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11:23 | <ogra> or did you tweak anything like ssh settings
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11:23 | <ctkr> no
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11:24 | all the other clients have no problem logging in
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11:24 | <ogra> installed from the alternate CD ?
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11:24 | <ctkr> Desktop
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11:24 | <ogra> with a manual ltsp-build-client run ?
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11:24 | <ctkr> yes
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11:25 | <ogra> well, "Unable to open X display localhost:17.0" indicates that the ssh X proxy doesnt work for whatever realson
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11:25 | <ctkr> did ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-sshkeys several times
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11:25 | <ogra> can you pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ?
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11:25 | !pastebot
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11:25 | <ctkr> ok
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11:25 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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11:26 | <ltsppbot> "ctkr" pasted "ltsp hp" (205 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/7
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11:26 | <ctkr> sorry, some of it is in spanish
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11:29 | <ogra> ctkr, that use can log in from other clients ?
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11:29 | *user
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11:30 | <ctkr> yes
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11:34 | <ogra> well, i guess thats another issue with compiz probing a graphics card that cant handle it
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11:38 | <ctkr> would killing compiz help?
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11:39 | <ogra> no, uninstalling would
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11:40 | i think Gadi worked out a way to make it not do the tests
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11:41 | that would prevent you from uninstalling ... but fro a quick confirmation uninstalling is the quickest way
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11:41 | *for
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11:41 | <ctkr> ok
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11:41 | do I need ldm? because it wants to remove that with compiz
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11:42 | <ogra> the ldm package ?
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11:42 | you have a package called "ldm" installed on your server ?
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11:43 | <ctkr> default
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11:43 | <ogra> default ?
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11:43 | <ctkr> default install
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11:44 | <ogra> well, there should be no package "ldm" on the server ... only in the chroot
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11:44 | <ctkr> ok
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11:44 | <ogra> adn you should uninstall compiz from the normal desktop install (i.e. the server)
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11:44 | <ctkr> yes
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11:46 | <ctkr> going to test now
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11:48 | <arx> Is DISABLE_ACCESS_CONTROL no longer a vaild lts.conf variable? I'm trying to run remote X apps from our main server and keep running into "Can't open display" errors.
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11:49 | <ctkr> OK that did it
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11:49 | thanks ogra!
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11:50 | <Gadi> arx: no - you should run "xhost +" yourself before launching the remote apps
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11:50 | <ogra> wait for Gadi to show up, he can show you a way without removing the package
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11:50 | <Gadi> tho, this is a huge security hole
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11:51 | * Gadi waves | |
11:51 | <ogra> ah, speaking of the devil :)
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11:51 | there he waves already :)
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11:51 | * Gadi shifts his kippah to cover the horns | |
11:51 | <Gadi> ;)
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11:51 | <ogra> haha
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11:53 | <Gadi> ctkr: I have a modified compiz script that disables compiz on remote connections (unless you force it in lts.conf)
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11:53 | lemme know if you're interested
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11:54 | <arx> Gadi: I have added xhost + to the bottom of /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S01-setup-xauth (I couldnt' run xhost + on the client, it would say something like it had to be run locally?!). So, on the client, when I run just xhost it says "access control disabled...", so that works. Now, however, when I type 'rsh appserver DISPLAY=$DISPLAY xterm' it pauses for like a minute, then returns the error it couldn't open up the display.
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11:55 | <Gadi> arx: are you using LDM_DIRECTX?
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11:55 | <arx> I have LDM_DIRECTX=True in /var/lib/tftp/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, yes.
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11:56 | <Gadi> oh, duh! is there routing between the remote appserver and the client?
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11:56 | log into appserver and from appserver, try to ping the client IP
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11:56 | my guess is you can't
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11:57 | in order for what you want to work, you need to set up routing through the LTSP box
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11:57 | <arx> it pings... and I even put the ip in the host file
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11:57 | <Gadi> it would be much easier for you to: ssh -X appserver program
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11:57 | ah
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11:57 | hmm...
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11:58 | and if you get a shell on appserver
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11:58 | and then, set: DISPLAY=<the_right_thing> xterm
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11:58 | what happens?
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12:00 | <arx> same as above... but let me try it. (gimmie a sec) ;)
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12:01 | Gadi: ok, so I rsh appserver, then I typed DISPLAY=clientipaddress, then xterm... it's just sitting there looking at me :|
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12:01 | <Gadi> you need the display number
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12:02 | echo $DISPLAY on the LTSP server side
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12:02 | <arx> oh yeah... sorry... this is what I typed export DISPLAY=ipaddress:7
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12:02 | <ogra> are you sure ssh behaves indentical if its called as rsh ?
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12:02 | <arx> interestingly enough... I can't ping the client now... ??? wt???
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12:03 | <Gadi> on the appserver shell, try: nc -v -z -w 1 -n ipaddress 6007
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12:03 | aha!
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12:03 | * Gadi knew it! | |
12:03 | <Gadi> is appserver on the same subnet as the thin client?
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12:03 | <arx> no
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12:03 | <Gadi> yeah, so you need to have:
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12:04 | <Gadi> 1. the LTSP server set to route packets between interfaces
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12:04 | 2. a static route in the appserver directing traffic to the thin client subnet through the LTSP server
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12:04 | then, the plumbing will be complete
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12:05 | your app cannot talk to an Xserver it cannot reach
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12:05 | which is, again, why ssh -X appserver program would work magically
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12:06 | <ogra> minor detail :)
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12:06 | <arx> how do I do #1?
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12:06 | <Gadi> echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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12:06 | and edit /etc/sysctl.conf
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12:06 | to make it permanent
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12:07 | <arx> ahh... had I set up local firefox, I would have already done that (at least I think that is one of the steps)...
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12:07 | <Gadi> well, be careful
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12:08 | those howtos usually have you set up NAT, as well
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12:08 | NAT is a firewall that will block the static route from appserver
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12:08 | <arx> IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12:08 | WOOOHOOOO!
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12:08 | * Gadi hands arx "A Plumbers Guide to the Internet" ;) | |
12:08 | <arx> ;)
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12:09 | <Gadi> arx: its funny how you are systematically tearing down the security layers of your network
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12:09 | :)
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12:09 | <arx> It really thru me off when I could rsh to the server.... THANKS A MILLION!
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12:10 | <Gadi> pleasure
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12:10 | now, dont tell your users that they can make their friends' screens melt, if they so choose
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12:10 | ;)
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12:12 | <vagrantc> tasty keylogging
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12:12 | <arx> U Rock! Now I can go to lunch and actually relax for a bit :). Take care. No worries... my end users are clueless.... and I wouldn't do it this way if I didn't have to (old server app over a private segmented T line...)
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12:12 | lol
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12:15 | <dro> a random few of my clients, get a scrolling squashfs error
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12:27 | <vagrantc> !release
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12:27 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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13:14 | <Lns> Hi LTSPers =)
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13:18 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Hi LNS
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13:20 | <Lns> hey CAN-o-SPAM, how're things?
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13:21 | <CAN-o-SPAM> things are well, and you?
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13:21 | <Lns> same.. Just deployed a central backuppc/nagios/apt mirror server..i love linux =)
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14:00 | <dro> a random few of my clients, get a scrolling squashfs error
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14:00 | <sbalneav> dro: Yeah, and vagrant asked you what you're using? :)
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14:00 | !release
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14:00 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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14:01 | <dro> sorry I missed that
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14:01 | I'm using ubuntu 9.10
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14:01 | thought it was happening with 9.04 also
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14:01 | *though
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14:03 | <sbalneav> What exactly is the error? could you paste it to the pastebot?
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14:03 | !pastebot
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14:03 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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14:03 | <dro> sbalneav: i'll have to go grab it
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14:03 | it's almost unreadable though, it spams soo fast across the screen, like it's counting
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14:08 | sbalneav: i brought a unit here next to me, i will have the error shortly
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14:11 | ok now just a waiting game, normally either happens right off the bat or after using it a few
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14:17 | <Ahmuck-Sr> sbalneav: u motu now?
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14:18 | dro: i suspect your getting squash because of clients disconnected improperly
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14:19 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Sr: Oh, heck no.
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14:19 | It'll be months before I can convice the powers that be that I'm good enough.
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14:20 | <dro> Ahmuck-Sr: that makes sense since they're using the rdesktop screen script, and they "disconnect" by powering off the unit
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14:20 | of course once they've logged off rdesktop/windows TS
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14:20 | <Ahmuck-Sr> sbalneav: how are you creating ppa?
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14:20 | i build quite a few of my own packages, however i use checkinstall to get debs from them
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14:24 | <arx> Hey again. This question is way off topic, so feel free to shun me, but I am going to ask anyway 'cause I can't seem to find an easy answer (and I know there is one). How do you remove the "minimize", "maximize" and "close" buttons from a terminal window in gnome (not a gnome terminal however... xterm started remotely.)
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14:27 | <mushroomblue> tell metacity to ignore it?
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14:27 | <Gadi> arx: *hust* for that window?
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14:27 | *just
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14:27 | I mean
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14:28 | yeah, it's a window manager hint
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14:29 | <Lns> sbalneav: much applause for the going for MOTU!! You are an Edubuntu hero =)
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14:30 | <arx> Gadi: ya, just for that window.... or windows running our remote app.
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14:33 | <squarepeg> motu!! motu!!
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14:34 | <Gadi> arx: see if a tool like devilspie will do that for you
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14:34 | arx: I dont think metacity itself would give you enough control on an individual window very easily
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14:34 | there's also gdevilspie
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14:34 | for a gui
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14:34 | <arx> ya, I've installed it and was messin around with devilspie.... sparse documentation though.
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14:35 | <arx> doesn't appear to be a 64-bit version of gdevilspie, so when I tried to install it in ubuntu, it just said it was the wrong arch.
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14:39 | <arx> Thanks again Gadi... I will poke around with devilspie a bit more.
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14:40 | <Gadi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie
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14:41 | doh
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15:44 | <Lns> hmm, wonder if arx tried the --force-architecture in gdevilspie
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15:47 | <johnny> it's not a good idea Lns ..
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15:47 | if you don't already know --force-architecture, you shouldn't use it
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15:48 | <Lns> johnny: well it would depend on what's contained in the .deb really... if it's all just shell scripts and/or images/non-binaries i wouldn't think it would much matter.
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16:03 | <Gadi> (if (is (application_name) "xterm") (begin (undecorate)))
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16:03 | that's all he really needed
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16:04 | a few examples go a long way
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16:09 | <johnny> if that some lisp..
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16:09 | fun..
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16:10 | <Gadi> if it were a lisp, I would have said "ith (application_name)"
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16:10 | har har har
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16:13 | * Lns thinks gadi needs to lay off the coffee ;) | |
16:14 | <Gadi> thufferin thucoutash
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16:14 | ur dithspicable
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17:04 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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20:57 | <EDAN> any idea how to fix login problems of thin-clients in ltsp 5 + Ubuntu Karmic?
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20:58 | <EDAN> logging in locally has no problems, but thin-client logins causes "No response from server, restarting"....
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21:05 | <vagrantc> EDAN: probably a changed ip address. sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys ; sudo ltsp-update-image
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21:05 | EDAN: and restart your thin clients
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21:06 | <EDAN> i did that already, but it fixes it temporarily then for some time, the problem occurs again...
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21:06 | <vagrantc> unless your DHCP server is separate from your Ubuntu server ... then you might have other issues
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21:06 | EDAN: sounds like your ip address keeps changing, then.
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21:06 | set up a static ip address.
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21:06 | <EDAN> the dhcp is on the ltsp server itself...
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21:07 | setting it up for 100 clients is not so ideal in my case... any hint?
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21:07 | <vagrantc> it seems odd that your server would be changing it's ip address if you're running dhcp on the server.
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21:08 | does your LTSP server have two network cards?
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21:08 | one for the thin client network, one for internet access?
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21:08 | that's generally the easiest way to configure it
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21:08 | <EDAN> yes... I only use one network card for ltsp server and dhcp clients
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21:08 | <vagrantc> !docs
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21:08 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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22:40 | <sbalneav_> Evening all
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