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Channel log from 31 January 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:04 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:25 | <mr_sleepy> how can i convert a system using nbd to nfs?
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| 02:25 | in this case it is debian...
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| 02:35 | <alkisg> mr_sleepy: debian uses NFS by default
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| 02:35 | So just undo any changes you made? :)
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| 02:36 | <mr_sleepy> nope, it is not using it by default if you run backport ltsp
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| 02:36 | <alkisg> I believe it is, even with backports
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| 02:37 | grep append /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 02:39 | <mr_sleepy> alkisg: i got it by manually editing that file...
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| 02:40 | now the second big problem, i can not get sound to work... /opt/ltsp/i386 is running squeeze because of hardware drivers. lenny is not booting on the customers hardware
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| 02:42 | with lenny on the clients the sound is working, but not with squeeze
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| 02:44 | <alkisg> Try reading /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound from a squeeze installation
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| 04:02 | <mr_sleepy> alkisg: i have been trying it... and it works well with lenny in /opt/ltsp/i386... but not with squeeze
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| 04:46 | <mr_sleepy> how can i change wich directories will be rw on the client?
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| 04:46 | apparently /var/lib/pulse is ro
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| 04:47 | (this in debian)
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| 04:48 | <alkisg> /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-bindmounts
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| 04:49 | <mr_sleepy> strange... /var/lib/pulse is there.
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| 04:50 | <alkisg> Did you run ltsp-update-kernels after the squeeze upgrade?
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| 04:51 | <mr_sleepy> alkisg: ltsp-build-client is having an option for building straight squeeze
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| 04:51 | alkisg: that i used
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| 04:53 | <alkisg> Hmm, I believe it should run ltsp-update-kernels at its end. Check your tftp dir, if the kernel there is the same as in /opt/ltsp/i386/boot
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| 04:53 | Or just try to run ltsp-update-kernels again
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| 04:53 | <mr_sleepy> okay, another bug apparently in debian/ltsp! i just read the error messages saying that /var/lib/pulse is not readable, but it is not even existing!!
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| 04:54 | <alkisg> Ah, you used the old ltsp-build-client, that's why
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| 04:54 | Your ltsp-build-client is old (lenny), the new one creates that dir
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| 04:56 | <mr_sleepy> okay
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| 04:59 | that is still a bug as i can give the squeeze distro as an option
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| 05:00 | <alkisg> I don't think "forward compatibility" is a bug, I'd only consider "backwards compatibility" a bug, but feel free to report it if you like, maybe the debian maintainer will agree with you
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| 05:00 | (not sure what he'll be able to do to fix that bug though, other than disabling the --distro option)
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| 05:03 | <mr_sleepy> it is not really forward compatibility as it is only squeeze there from the beginning to the end. i mean, installing pulse on the client should create the necessary folders, as it is then using squeeze tools
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| 05:03 | it is running all in a chroot
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| 05:05 | <alkisg> Νοπε
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| 05:05 | Nope
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| 05:05 | ltsp-build-client has a lot of server-side plugins that mess with the chroot
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| 05:05 | So the lenny version of ltsp-build-client plugins are not aware of anything that's needed to be done for squeeze
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| 05:05 | If ltsp-build-client wasn't based on server-side plugins, then sure, I'd agree with you
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| 05:06 | (and I'd even prefer it that way)
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| 05:08 | <mr_sleepy> i used ltsp from backports on the server...
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| 05:08 | so it should even be close in version
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| 05:08 | <alkisg> ltsp-trunk/server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/010-pulseaudio-tweaks: mkdir $ROOT/var/lib/pulse
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| 05:08 | Do you have that line on the server?
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| 05:08 | bbl
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| 05:09 | <mr_sleepy> i do not know, but now i need to work forward... i should have had lunch break 2 hours ago, and i still have work before i can get my lunch break
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| 05:26 | <muppis> Where is the script that rewrites client's /etc/hosts ?
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| 07:03 | <robehend1> alkisg: did your video card baking work out?
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> Nope, I baked it too much :D
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| 07:03 | <robehend1> haha, nice. Well, at least its an experience
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> when I was done, I immediately moved the card above the oven
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| 07:03 | <robehend1> ah..the heat continued to bake it eh
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> And the videoram chips were moved aside, the solder was liquid when I moved it
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| 07:04 | <robehend1> oh wow, how hot did you bake it at
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> So it was either too hot (200° C for 10 mins) or I wasn't careful enough and I should have left it to cool down before moving it
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| 07:05 | I'm now on a new laptop :)
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| 07:05 | <robehend1> well, its always nice to have an excuse to get something new
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| 07:05 | <muppis> alkisg, you should have left it in oven to cool down.
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> My old laptop were faster than the new one I got though :(
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| 07:05 | <muppis> I do it that way.
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> nvidia vs intel, 4 gb ram vs 2, 320 hd vs 250, nic with no flow control problems...
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| 07:06 | hdmi output etc, I already miss it :(
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| 07:07 | <muppis> alkisg, you... must.. fix.. it!
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> I'm about to sell it
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> ...for 130€ and be done with it :-/
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| 07:08 | <mgariepy> morning everyone
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> Hi mgariepy
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| 07:26 | <robehend1> alkisg: if i'm not mistaken, you've used LXDE on fat-clients before?
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> robehend1: nope
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| 07:27 | <robehend1> ah, my bad then
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> I'd like to try it though
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| 07:27 | (I had lxde on my debian server, not on fat clients)
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| 07:27 | <robehend1> ha, i'm gona try it today, building with the lubuntu-desktop
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| 09:19 | <klausade> robehend1: did you ask about lxde on thinclients the other day?
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| 09:20 | <Nubae> how does lxde compare to gnome and unity?
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| 09:26 | <robehend1> klausade: i did, yes
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| 09:26 | Nubae: i think it takes less resources, and no 3d acceleration.
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| 09:27 | <Nubae> how does it differ from xfce then?
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| 09:27 | is it more comfortable to use_
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| 09:27 | ?
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| 09:28 | <robehend1> xfce has become much more bloated throughout the years
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| 09:29 | in my tests, i've been having xfce take up to 200megs idle, while lxde averages about 80
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| 09:30 | <Nubae> oh... nice
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| 09:30 | <robehend1> bbiab
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| 09:54 | <klausade> robehend1: well, can't say how it compares to xfce. but, we have a few thousand thinclient currently running debian lenny with kde3, and that runs very nice. kde on ltsp has run very nice for us since 2002. But, preparing the transition to squeeze and kde4, we have seen from testing a 60 client setup that kde4 just does not "work" on thinclients. too much bloat. it's like someone stole all our switches, and replaced them with hubs :-) lxde o
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| 09:55 | <Nubae> klausade u working for the extremadura deployment?
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| 10:19 | <klausade> Nubae: no. something similar, but in norway. i've been to extremadura and seen it. they are on a much bigger scale.
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> I think lxde also supports reboot/shutdown from within the session (no need to exit to ldm first) for thin clients
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| 10:38 | <klausade> alkisg: not "out of the box" with the lxde version in squeeze, and good is that.
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> klausade: http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxsession;a=commit;h=d2508534100fddbac931fa60e3b989ae54ddf147
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| 10:39 | 31 Mar 2010, don't know what squeeze has
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| 10:41 | How do students feel about lxde?
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| 10:41 | <klausade> lxsession 0.4.4-3
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| 10:43 | alkisg: well, it "looks" like kde (I use the kde-logo for the menu-icon, and the wallpaper is like in kde), but the logontime is less than 3 seconds, compared to kde4 that took a good 30 seconds. So, they like it . But, pupils realy don't care about kde3/kde4/lxde/whatever, as long as it's fast, and they can use the browser..
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Right. If ubuntu starts using unity for gnome, I'm thinking of switching to debian/lxde for 2012...
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| 10:57 | <markit> hi, what about if I want to kick off a student? any kde tip (I use kde)? how is it solved in gnome?
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| 10:57 | (btw, hi alkisg :))
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| 10:58 | I've setup a ruby script with a menu and "slay" command, but maybe there is something graphical
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> kick off? you mean literally :D, or to log him off?
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| 11:01 | Or to lock his screen?
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| 11:05 | <markit> alkisg: I mean "log off", kill all his processes, slay it
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| 11:05 | let's say that the client crashes or whatever
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> Only thin client, or fat as well?
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| 11:05 | <markit> and the user stays logged on the server
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| 11:05 | only thin
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> In gnome there's a process monitoring applet
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| 11:06 | <markit> should he be able to reconnect? or will be rejected because already logged?
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> (for a GUI)
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| 11:06 | <markit> process monitor is also in kde, but you have to check all the processes of the user, too d ifficoult
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> If you put LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True, all the old processes will be killed on new logon
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| 11:06 | <markit> in M$crapworld server edition you have the "connected users" panel and you can kill everyone
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> We have that in sch-scripts too
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| 11:07 | <markit> alkisg: mmm having the processes still alive is good
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> But I didn't see any similar functionality in gnome
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| 11:07 | <markit> so he does not loose his works
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> markit: you can't have that
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| 11:07 | It will be a different ssh connection
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| 11:07 | <markit> ah!
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| 11:08 | but the user is the same...
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| 11:08 | mmm I will have to experiment
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> It doesn't work
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| 11:08 | <markit> the school has started using it, first lesson a week ago, another one friday morning (I will be present this time)
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> You can make it work with nx, vnc etc but not with X
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| 11:09 | (unless you write a wrapper of your own like nx)
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| 11:09 | <markit> I've had and still has troubles with ACL, but if I will wait the "perfect time" they will never use it, lol
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| 11:09 | alkisg: ok, I blindly belive you :)
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| 11:09 | just surprised and disappointed
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| 11:09 | since I forecast frequent crashes
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| 11:10 | so the student will loose his work easely, sigh
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> Why?
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| 11:10 | <markit> (old hardware)
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> Solve that instead
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| 11:10 | <markit> (strange crashes)
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> You shouldn't have frequent crashes even on old hardware
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| 11:10 | <markit> sure, but it takes time
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> Try putting 512MB NBD swap
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| 11:10 | <markit> is it a parameter?
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf, and SIZE=512 in /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf (new file)
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| 11:11 | Also for graphics driver-related crashes, nomodeset in pxelinux.cfg/default helps sometimes
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| 11:12 | My rule of thumb is that no teacher should be getting more than 1 crash per week in his lessons...
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| 11:13 | <markit> "nbdswapd.conf (new file)" present in kubuntu 10.10 ltsp version I hope
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| 11:13 | well, 2 pc of 10 used had a "black screen" after 60 minutes
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| 11:14 | but the teacher is not expert at all, so told me that "the pc switched off and was unable to turn on"
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| 11:15 | then I chceked the case, the ariflow, etc and was ok
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| 11:15 | I meet the teacher that sayd "oh, the CPU was on, but the screen was black"
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| 11:15 | so confusing :)
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| 11:15 | I'm facing the fact that the average knowledge of the teacers is desperately low
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| 11:16 | my hope are the children :)
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> You should have remote stats of every client then
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| 11:16 | <markit> what do you mean? how can I do?
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> $ cat /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf
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| 11:16 | SIZE=512
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| 11:16 | That's for RAM
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| 11:17 | <markit> I've very few with 512MB ram... what does that parameter mean? swap size?
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| 11:17 | (I thought was a 1GB value by default...)
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| 11:18 | (and in any case the programs are run on the server... so why swapping just for X?)
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> The default swap is 64
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| 11:19 | oo impress and firefox can use a lot more for x pixmap caching, even on thin clients
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| 11:19 | So e.g. a 256 RAM client would crash by just visiting a web page
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| 11:19 | <markit> OH!
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| 11:19 | you HAVE TO write a wiki / site for the world to benefit
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| 11:19 | you have so many precious info!
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| 11:20 | * markit admires alkisg knowledge and helpfulness | |
| 11:20 | <alkisg> It's there, on the ml, the wiki, the bugs reports on launchpad...
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| 11:20 | <Nubae> greets alkisg
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| 11:20 | <markit> I've read a lot around, and did not noticed as a "must have"
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> Hi Nubae, how's it going?
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| 11:21 | markit: not all users or devs share my opinions. I'm just expressing my own views for some subjects
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| 11:21 | <Nubae> pretty good... got hired as lead dev for the XO (sugar) deployments in South America
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> So it's pretty hard to describe them as "must have"
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| 11:21 | <Nubae> lead dev for the server build I mean
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| 11:21 | not the clients
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> Nubae: cool! Where are you based?
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| 11:21 | <Nubae> right now in Spain, but moving to Py in June-July
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| 11:22 | should be fun!
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> Sounds like a job perfectly suited for you :)
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| 11:22 | <markit> if clients crash because of low swap, is a "must have" not an opinion :)
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| 11:23 | <Nubae> am actually looking for best automation tools to push configurations from central location to deployments
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| 11:23 | we are expecting 10,000 servers in next 2 years :-/
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| 11:23 | no ltsp unfortunately, since its all laptops
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| 11:23 | yeah its pretty nice fit... I´m happy
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> 10,000 servers? and how many laptops?
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| 11:24 | <Nubae> 2 million odd
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| 11:24 | <markit> URGH!
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> Also, ltsp is fine for laptops - you just need fat clients there, even with usb sticks
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| 11:24 | Cool!
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| 11:24 | <Nubae> every kid in Py and Uy will have a laptop :-/
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| 11:24 | <markit> what is Py? Uy?
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| 11:24 | <Nubae> paraguay - uruguay
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| 11:24 | <markit> GREAT!
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| 11:25 | <Nubae> well, ltsp isnt really an option too little net access
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| 11:25 | doesnt make sense... im thinking of using cobbler to push via pxe
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| 11:25 | and then servers get physically taken to their destinations
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| 11:25 | that and puppet for custom configs
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> LTSP with fat clients and local mirroring would mean just a shared /home... no need for a lot of bandwidth there, in simple cases even a 10mbps hub would do
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| 11:26 | <Nubae> well right now sugar doesn´t exactly work well with ltsp, and it its just overkill
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| 11:27 | since xos only have wireless
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| 11:27 | <markit> I've to run, thanks a lot alkisg :) I'll be probably online later
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| 11:27 | <Nubae> also politically, ltsp isn´t trusted
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| 11:28 | i´m the only one who really understands it and field sysadmins need to do the every day work, so have to go wit what they like/know
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| 11:28 | I´d love to try ltsp myself though
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| 11:29 | alkisg have u used puppet?
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> Nope, I've read about it though
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| 11:29 | It's too much for our small setups here
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| 11:29 | <Nubae> its ruby...
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| 11:30 | wish it was python... but seems like it can do nice automation
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| 11:30 | indeed its for multiple servers
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> We publish our configuration inside the "sch-scripts" package
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| 11:32 | <Nubae> alkisg out of curiosity, do have many shell scripts u´ve created for managing the servers_
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> so all greek school servers have the configuration we want
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| 11:32 | <Nubae> just what I was gonna ask :-)
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> On top of that, the IT teacher there is free to modify the defaults as he sees fit...
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| 11:33 | It's a pygtk GUI app nowadays
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| 11:33 | <Nubae> can I take a look at what u created? might be useful to me
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> Kinda like italc
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| 11:33 | <Nubae> oh nice
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> Screenshots: http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/sch-scripts/screenshots
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| 11:34 | <Nubae> did u see guadalinex-edu-collaboration tool?
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| 11:34 | <alkisg> Code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sch-devs/sch-scripts/trunk/
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| 11:34 | No, what is it?
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| 11:34 | <Nubae> cool, I´ll take a look
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| 11:34 | https://launchpad.net/guadalinexedu-collaboration-tool
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| 11:34 | might be useful yo u
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| 11:34 | to you
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| 11:35 | without https...
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> "Allow the sharing of documents between the organizer (normaly the teacher) and the rest of the group" ==> that part sounds useful
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| 11:35 | I don't care about the automatic italc configuration though :D
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| 11:35 | <Nubae> yeah uses xmpp lib
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| 11:36 | :-)
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> italc is way too buggy for our needs
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| 11:36 | <Nubae> does other configurations too though
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| 11:36 | all via xmpp, that part could be interesting
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> We ship the configuration with sch-scripts
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| 11:36 | And there's only 1 server per school
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| 11:36 | <Nubae> u could push it via xmpp instead
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> so we don't have many other things to configure...
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| 11:36 | <Nubae> that implies internet access everywher of course
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> Why? A package with gconf defaults it much simpler
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| 11:37 | <Nubae> stops me being able to use it
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> *is
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| 11:37 | <Nubae> this is more interactive
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| 11:37 | * Nubae thinks | |
| 11:37 | <alkisg> We could also have a script pull configuration settings from https
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| 11:37 | But what's the point?
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| 11:37 | <Nubae> cant say I know wnough
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| 11:37 | enough
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| 11:37 | pull is sometimes nicer than pull
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| 11:38 | for my usage scenario it is
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| 11:38 | at least
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> You mean push?
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| 11:38 | <Nubae> :p
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> :)
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| 11:38 | <Nubae> pull nicer than push
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| 11:38 | i meant
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> Pulling can be done with reverse connections and certificates
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| 11:38 | Like packages updates already do
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| 11:39 | <Nubae> yeah I like that usage case
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| 11:39 | because its then up to the admins
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| 11:39 | less centralised, but still controlled
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> You can have the systems pull for updates each day
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| 11:39 | <Nubae> cron yeah
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> Like again package updates do :)
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| 11:39 | <Nubae> hehe, yep, that model works
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| 11:40 | anyway edu-collab tools works with avahi
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> Pushing can be complex. Not sure if all that additional complexity is justified...
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| 11:40 | avahi isn't installed on thin clients
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| 11:40 | <Nubae> the nice thing is, doesnt require registration stuff
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> And doesn't work over http
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| 11:40 | So I couldn't send settings to a school that is behind NAT
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| 11:40 | <Nubae> it was created as easiest usage scenario for kids
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| 11:41 | they turn the laptop on, first time they are asked for a name, and thats it, pull happens from then on
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> How is the OS deployed?
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| 11:41 | clobber?
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| 11:41 | <Nubae> well it does work over nat, using xmpp
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| 11:42 | jabber server helps with that
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> If you have an xmpp connection and a directory, what do you need avahi for?
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| 11:42 | <Nubae> well thats at guadalinex
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> You can just publish any services at the xmpp directory...
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| 11:42 | <Nubae> xmpp is the protocol
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| 11:42 | right, but like u said, avahi direct has limitations like nat
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> avahi is for mdns
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| 11:43 | <Nubae> i know
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> Not suited outside of local networks...
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| 11:43 | <Nubae> yeah, in the case of collab tool its used within one ap
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| 11:43 | or using the aps to bridge
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| 11:44 | jabber server though can bridge across networks
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| 11:44 | remember this is what telepathy does
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| 11:44 | with telepathy-salut
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| 11:45 | anyhow, for south america, the servers should be created by a builder... I´m respinning rhel 6 for that
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> How will the OS be deployed on the netbook clients?
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| 11:45 | <Nubae> but installing multiple servers at the deployments could be done with cobbler over pxe, seems the most sane
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| 11:45 | oh... a builder from the servers
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| 11:46 | thats already in place... olpc built it
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| 11:46 | pushes a fedora img + sugar
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| 11:46 | think f14
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> With partitioning etc handled automatically?
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| 11:46 | <Nubae> kickstart
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| 11:46 | sure
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| 11:47 | very easy to do -ks files in redhat enterprise
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> So the laptops are "dedicated", the student can't e.g .also have windows on them, or a separate partition for windows data etc....
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| 11:47 | <Nubae> well, the sysadmin installing via cobler would have a choice from ks files
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| 11:48 | well they are XOs
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| 11:48 | so they may have fedora +sugar, or in the future windows too (olpc was planning to move to it, though no one knows whats really going on there)
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> kickstart is like debian preseed files?
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| 11:49 | <Nubae> half the olpc staff quit when they heard they were supporting windows, but it never happened
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| 11:50 | well its like a minimal installer... its a file that describes the hardware environment, and then locales, pre install files (scripts) and post install files (scripts)
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| 11:50 | it hands off to the image
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| 11:50 | wouldnt know what to compare it to in debian
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| 11:51 | hmm there is debian-kickstart
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| 11:52 | and yeah preeseed is most similar I think
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| 11:52 | http://pthree.org/2008/05/20/automating-debianubuntu-installs-with-preseed/
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| 11:53 | preseed can read Anaconda Kickstart files
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| 11:53 | cool
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| 11:53 | GUI tool for building Kickstart files available in the Debian and Ubuntu repositories:
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| 11:53 | sudo aptitude install system-config-kickstart
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> Right, debian win32-loader even uses preseed files to pass the locale, keyboard etc information from withing windows to the debian installer (where applicable)
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| 11:53 | "However, using Kickstart files to build your Debian or Ubuntu box isn’t as flexible or powerful as preseed,"...
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| 11:54 | <Nubae> sure makes sense
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| 11:54 | since it was built for redhat
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| 11:54 | sure I cant use preseed in rhel either :p
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 11:55 | <Nubae> but that it works is kinda nice
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> Hey, cobbler linked me to http://libguestfs.org/ - I didn't know about that, looks very handy...
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| 11:55 | <Nubae> wow, I wonder if, just for fun, I could make an ububntu school server too in that way
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| 11:56 | dont know it
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| 11:56 | I found augeas the other day though, and that seemed pretty handy
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| 11:56 | hmmm for vms
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> Our installation instructions for schools are:
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| 11:56 | 1) install ubuntu (the usual 6 steps of the desktop .iso)
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| 11:57 | 2) sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sch-scripts
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| 11:57 | Done
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| 11:57 | A package is all that's needed for configuration and dependencies...
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| 11:57 | <Nubae> well, main I need to do is respin rhel6 and add all the XS server specifics
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| 11:58 | which are currently for fedora 7
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> We even push updated packages from the ppa, e.g. fixed gnome-session, fixed dbus etc
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| 11:58 | <Nubae> nice
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| 11:58 | <Nubae> sounds like what i have to do for rhel
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| 11:58 | <Nubae> hopefully less work :-p
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| 12:00 | alkisg ure scripts in greek only?
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> Nubae: we've published a temporary english version for the few international users we have :D
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| 12:04 | But we're planning on properly internationalize them for ubuntu 12.04
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| 12:04 | <Nubae> it seems highly integrated with ltsp though right?
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> Right
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| 12:05 | And highly integrated to our specific greek schools setup
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| 12:05 | We'll split it into 2 packages for 12.04
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| 12:05 | <Nubae> u've got something like italc in there too it seems
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> One, the italc-like tool, the other will contain our configuration
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| 12:05 | <Nubae> right, config might be interesting to me
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> italc was too buggy and lacked some things we needed
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| 12:06 | E.g. now we have "get a root shell of the client in a local terminal", or "close the sound" etc stuff
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| 12:06 | mass user creation, adding to groups, a lot more
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| 12:07 | <Nubae> nice
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| 12:09 | looks like u got deep into python
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> python, gtk + shell...
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| 12:11 | Most of the pygtk GUI was done by a 16 year old student ;)
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| 12:11 | <Nubae> u already knew the shell pretty well bfore though, no?
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| 12:11 | impressive
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> Ah, libguestfs is not yet in debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530427
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| 12:16 | <Nubae> what did u want to use it for?
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> to enable the teacher to boot a fat client "chroot" in virtualbox
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| 12:19 | (i.e. the chroot will be a .vdi file, and libguestfs will be needed to export an nbd image out of it)
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| 12:19 | <Nubae> ahhh i see
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| 12:42 | <robehend1> grr, one thing I hate about Google Apps. I quite literally *just* finished making my tutorial videos on it, and they go and change the interface on me today
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| 12:52 | alkisg: say, could i get that link to the english sch-scripts again? i'm going to redo my ltsp box, and want to try it a bit more
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?topic=3220.0
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| 12:53 | <pmatulis> on ubuntu lucid is it normal for all user sessions to be terminated when someone logs into a client with the root user?
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> pmatulis: it shouldn't be "normal", prolly a bug in the "killall existing user processes" logic
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| 12:55 | I'd file that as a bug
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| 12:56 | <robehend1> alkisg: thanks alkisg
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> np
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| 13:00 | <pmatulis> alkisg: hm, ok
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| 13:00 | alkisg: i know when i log in a some other user an existing session belonging to that same user will be killed
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| 13:01 | alkisg: i thought there might be something in ldm that is running as root, causing everyone to be dumped
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> It shouldn't be possible though as ssh user@server is used
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| 13:07 | ah right root
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| 13:07 | I think there's a "killall" there
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| 13:07 | So it is assumed that it kills all processes from the same user, because of the rights
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| 13:07 | But if you login as root you have the rights to kill all processes
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| 13:08 | So you kill all ssh processes or whatever else this killall tries to kill
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| 13:08 | So file a bug report so that "killall" is changed to "killall -u $USER" and to check for root etc
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> ldm-trunk/rc.d/S15-userLoginCheck
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> pmatulis: do you have LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True?
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| 13:17 | <robehend1> if i'm running fat clients, does my server still need X on it?
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| 13:18 | <klausade> robehend1: normally no.
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| 13:20 | <robehend1> that 'normally' makes me wonder.
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| 13:37 | <pmatulis> alkisg: looking
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| 13:46 | <robehend1> alkisg: say, wanting to change the lock screen graphic on sch-scripts. went into the .conf, but since I don't read greek, no idea what it says. any idea of a path/
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> robehend1: dpkg -L sch-client|grep svg
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| 13:48 | /usr/share/sch-client/lock.svg
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| 13:49 | <robehend1> ah, cool, thanks. also, if i go into some of the files and translate from greek to english, machine assisted, would you like me to provide them back to you?
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> No, we'll change the source files so that they contain all english, and provide greek in a .po file (as usually in the linux world) so any translations done now are temporary
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| 13:50 | <robehend1> ah, makes sense. ok then :D
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| 14:17 | <robehend1> out of curiosity, anyone use the endian firewall before?
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