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Channel log from 27 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:07 | <cyberorg> how do i change the theme in ldm2?
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| 06:28 | <ogra> cyberorg, with sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure --config ldm-theme
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| 06:28 | as you always did :)
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| 06:28 | (or as ldm always did, however yu like :) )
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| 06:28 | err ...
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| 06:29 | sorry, thats:
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| 06:29 | <cyberorg> ogra, hi :)
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| 06:29 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config ldm-theme
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| 06:29 | (wrong command)
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| 06:29 | <cyberorg> ogra, i am doing this on suse :D
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| 06:30 | i get nice ubuntu ldm2 theme, i have suse theme installed
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| 06:30 | or just copied over one of the theme folder called it suse and replaced the .pngs
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| 06:30 | <ogra> well, update-alternatives uses a link system ...
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| 06:30 | it links the real theme dir to /etc/alternatives
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| 06:30 | <cyberorg> ok, what do i need to link where?
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| 06:31 | <ogra> which then gets linked to the default ir in ldm's theme dir
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| 06:31 | you could do that manually
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| 06:31 | ldm only cares for the default dir
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| 06:33 | <cyberorg> ogra, got it, i had forgotten how i had got it working with ldm
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| 06:33 | btw, the news it ldm2 work on suse 10.3
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| 06:34 | <ogra> cool
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| 06:36 | <cyberorg> we just had new member join us, captian_magnus, we set the task list here /opt/cvs/gutsy-ltsp/client/ldmgtkgreetc/themes/suse
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| 06:38 | <cyberorg> ogra, sorry wrong paste
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| 06:38 | http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP-Tasks
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| 06:39 | <cyberorg> there he is
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| 06:40 | <captain_magnus> cyberorg: Huh? :-)
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| 06:40 | <cyberorg> captain_magnus, ogra is one of the lead developer working on ltsp, he wrote ldm among other things
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| 06:40 | <captain_magnus> ogra: G'day!
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| 06:41 | <ogra> cyberorg, most credits for the new ldm go to sbalneav :) i only wrote the initial app and he added all the nifty features
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| 06:41 | hi captain_magnus
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| 06:41 | <cyberorg> ogra, jammcq sbalnev make up a chunk of ltsp team, did i miss anyone?
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| 06:41 | <ogra> vagrantc
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| 06:41 | <cyberorg> ah, right
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| 06:41 | <ogra> Gadi and clibow ...
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| 06:42 | <cyberorg> ogra, currently captain_magnus and i are people working on getting ltsp5 working on suse
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| 06:42 | <ogra> constant development is only don by sbalneav vagrant and me though
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| 06:42 | sounds great
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| 06:42 | looking forward to get somehing to merge to the main tree :)
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| 06:43 | <captain_magnus> cyberorg: Speak for yourself :-) I'm in learning mode... Figuringing out how ltsp works...
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| 06:43 | <cyberorg> ogra, we are hoping to set up svn repo, captain_magnus almost finished (the begining of) setup scripts
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| 06:44 | <ogra> could you please use bzr ?
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| 06:44 | importing svn is a pain
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| 06:45 | <captain_magnus> ogra: No point of using bzr until we have something that works....
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| 06:45 | <cyberorg> ogra, we dont have any server that offers that
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| 06:45 | yeah
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| 06:45 | <ogra> you dont need any server for bzr
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| 06:45 | you can either just put the tree on a webserver you have access to or if you dont mind use launchpad and put your tree there
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| 06:46 | bzr only needs a http server
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| 06:49 | <cyberorg> we have requested novell forge project infrastructure, if that doesnt happen soon, then i may just put up bzr on my webserver
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| 06:49 | <ogra> you dont even need bzr installed there :)
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| 06:49 | thats the big advantage of it
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| 06:50 | you just need to make your bzr tree available (tar it up and unpack, scp it or whatever you want to get it up to the server)
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| 06:51 | <cyberorg> ogra, ok, i'll do a reading up on how it works :)
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| 06:51 | <ogra> it makes life eyasier if you have ssh access to the server to just use bzr push for commiting your changes, but its not mandatory at all
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| 06:52 | <cyberorg> can we pust the changes on online repo without ssh access?
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| 06:53 | <ogra> well, you need any kind of access, but as i said, you can as well just tar up the tree and unpack it in your webroot
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> ogra, that limits us, as we are on different continent :)
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| 06:53 | <ogra> or use rsync ... or ftp ... i think it also has a webdav module, but not sure (i usually only use sftp (ssh))
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> we need same tree to work on
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| 06:53 | <ogra> right
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| 06:54 | we all do :)
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| 06:55 | cyberorg, there is an error on your wikipage, scotts-gutsy is only ldm development
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| 06:56 | <cyberorg> ok, which is the tree that we need to work on?
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| 06:56 | <ogra> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp is the current dev tree, https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline is the current upstream (merged) tree
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| 06:57 | gutsy-ltsp is the one you should use ... it will get merged back to mainline if everything is stable
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| 06:57 | <cyberorg> both of us have http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/
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| 06:58 | <ogra> (scotts-gutsy gets regulary merged if sbalneav gives me a sign that his hacking is stable enough, his treem might have weird breakage at times, so be careful with it)
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| 06:58 | cyberorg, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP-Tasks has a link at the bottom
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| 06:58 | that points to scotts-gutsy
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| 06:58 | <cyberorg> does the gutsy-ltsp have all the nbd root you were planning?
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| 06:59 | <ogra> yes
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| 06:59 | thats oin since some months
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| 06:59 | *in
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| 06:59 | <cyberorg> cool, i have just filed an enhancement to get that in kiwi netboot image
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| 06:59 | <ogra> heh, that migth become fun for the kiwi devs :)
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| 07:00 | * ogra had a lot of fun implementing it :) | |
| 07:01 | <ogra> but notre taht you are not bound to nbd ... we wont drop support for nfs roots. if people want it its two variables and two commands to switch back
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| 07:02 | <cyberorg> ogra, schaefi - the kiwi developer was thrilled about getting that working :)
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| 07:02 | <ogra> ah, cool then :)
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| 07:02 | * ogra needs to go afk for a whoile again | |
| 07:02 | <ogra> bbl
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| 07:03 | <cyberorg> ogra, ciao, we will keep picking your brains now
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| 08:10 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:11 | <jamiej> anyone got skype and pulse working together. I Can't get skype to see the sound card. usesd padsp. Egika the sound goes all funny.
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| 08:31 | <sbalneav> ogra: You there, dude?
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| 08:39 | <nglbrkr9> suppose I have two identical thin clients sitting next to each other. One always comes up in 1024, like it should, but the other always comes up in 640x480. Any ideas?
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| 08:39 | <klausade> anybody coma across machines that will not pxe-boot when dhcp-server and tftp-server is not on the same machine, when one must use next-server. But when dhcp and tftp is on the same machine no problem? If I use etherboot floppy they boot.
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| 08:40 | nglbrkr9: check the bios, on might have more ram given to the videocard than the other. plenty of dell machines are like that.
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| 08:42 | <nglbrkr9> will do, thanks
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| 08:44 | <vagrantc> klausade: do you get any kind of error message ?
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| 08:45 | nglbrkr9: you could also try to force the resolution with X_MODE_0=1024x768 in lts.conf
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| 08:49 | <nglbrkr9> Thanks. will try that also. thing is, they have been running fine for two years already.
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| 08:49 | <klausade> vagrantc: no, it just stands there, like in http://skolelinux.no/~klaus/timeout.png
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| 08:50 | vagrantc: I have 100 other machines that works just fine with next-server, just not this kind.
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| 08:50 | <ogra> nglbrkr9, if they have worked for the last 2 years and suddelny stopped working i'd rather suspect a HW fault
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| 08:50 | <vagrantc> klausade: how'd you get that screenshot ?
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| 08:51 | i have been having problems with intel cards with boot aget 3.0.5+ ...
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| 08:51 | <klausade> vagrantc: minicom remote access box.
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> PXE-E55: Proxy DHCP service did not reply to request on port 4011
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| 08:52 | <klausade> vagrantc: any lvm with ip should do.
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| 08:52 | s/lvm/kvm
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc> port 4011 seems to be the pxe protocol ... i installed the pxe daemon and a boot menu would show up .. though i'll be damned if i have a clue how to get the pxe daemon boot menu to download pxelinux.0
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| 08:55 | <klausade> vagrantc: what kind of cards is this? new ones?
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> klausade: not particularly new
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> i'm actually finding some possibly useful information from support.microsoft.com ...
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| 08:56 | <klausade> vagrantc: wow
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| 08:56 | <ogra> lol
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| 08:57 | <mvip> I just have a question regarding how LTSP5 is supposed to work.....when you login using the GDMish interface...are you supposed to be logged into the server or the chrooted env?
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| 08:58 | <mvip> (login from the clients that is)
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| 08:58 | because the thing is, that when i login from the console, I get logged into the chrooted env.
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| 08:59 | <ogra> there is no version of ltsp that would you log in to a chroot :)
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| 08:59 | so in any case you'll end up on the server with all X logins we have
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| 09:01 | <mvip> so when you login you're not supposed to end up in a chrooted env (/opt/ltsp/i386)
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| 09:01 | <ogra> no
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| 09:01 | thats only for booting
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| 09:01 | <mvip> oh...ok
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| 09:02 | <ogra> there is no way that you could end up in the chroot via X in the default setup
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| 09:02 | <mvip> that what I was really confused about
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| 09:02 | but IIRC OpenOffice and tons of gnome stuff was installed into that env.
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| 09:02 | (runnning ubuntu 6.06 LTS server
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| 09:02 | <ogra> how did you install it ?
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| 09:03 | oh
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| 09:03 | <mvip> using the ubuntu package (ltsp-server-standalone)
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| 09:03 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 09:03 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 09:03 | <mvip> and then ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 09:03 | <ogra> followed that howto ?
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| 09:03 | ok
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| 09:03 | thts fine
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| 09:03 | <mvip> hold on
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| 09:03 | <ogra> that wouldnt install any desktop stuff in the chroot
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| 09:04 | <mvip> yeah, very similar
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| 09:04 | ok, my bad then
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| 09:04 | <ogra> note that ubuntu server will need the ubuntu-desktop package installed (or any other desktop/window manager)
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| 09:04 | ltsp needs some desktop session on the server to log in to
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| 09:04 | <mvip> yeah, I realzied that after hours of debuggin
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| 09:05 | (the guide I followed was http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Install_MueKow_on_Ubuntu)
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| 09:05 | <ogra> This page aims to describe the quickest way to get a ltsp server running on an existing ubuntu or kubuntu (xubuntu comes with a ltsp option in the installer, edubuntu even sets up ltsp in its default install) desktop system.
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| 09:05 | <mvip> well, then I guess my system is properly installed
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| 09:05 | <ogra> (thats the second line on the official howto page)
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| 09:06 | note the last two words ;)
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| 09:06 | <mvip> yeah..well..my biggest concern was that I setup the system incorrectly
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| 09:07 | <ogra> mvip, that page you followed is horribly complicated and does a lot unneeded stuff
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| 09:07 | <mvip> in particular since it will be deployed in a corp. env
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| 09:07 | really?
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| 09:07 | well...it's basically the same, right?
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| 09:07 | * vagrantc wonders why people would use documentation from novell about installing ubuntu | |
| 09:07 | <mvip> although it might be more complicated
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| 09:08 | <ogra> also 6.06 isnt the best platform ltsp5 wasnt feature complete back then ...
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| 09:08 | <mvip> vagrantc, yeah, i foudn that funny too
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| 09:08 | ogra, the reason I chose 6.06 was because it's LTS
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| 09:08 | <ogra> 6.10 was the first one with all features 4.2 had ...
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| 09:08 | well, you wont have local device support with these
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| 09:08 | 6.10 added that ...
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| 09:09 | <mvip> ogra, you're saying that I can't get local support in 6.06?
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> not without a lot of work
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| 09:09 | <mvip> at all
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| 09:09 | <ogra> 7.04 changed sound support from freaky hackish esd crap to use proper alsa emulation ...
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| 09:09 | so i'd really recommend 7.04
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| 09:09 | <mvip> hmm
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| 09:09 | well, than maybe I should upgrade
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| 09:09 | <ogra> next LTS will be 8.10
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| 09:09 | <mvip> _before_ deployment =)
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| 09:09 | <ogra> 7.04 will be supported until then
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| 09:10 | <mvip> the next LTS won't be out until next year or so, right?
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| 09:10 | <ogra> 8.10
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| 09:10 | (oct. 2008)
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| 09:10 | <mvip> oh, that what it stands for...didn't know
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| 09:11 | but you're saying that 7.04 is the best ubuntu dist for LTSP deployment?
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| 09:11 | <ogra> yep
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| 09:11 | <mvip> and sound and local devices is supported out-of-box?
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| 09:11 | <vagrantc> and in a couple months, he'll say 7.10 is the best
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| 09:12 | <ogra> well, that best is surely 8.04 ... but thats far from being done ;)
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| 09:12 | <Lumiere> ogra: I thought gutsy+1 was LTS...
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| 09:12 | <ogra> err
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| 09:12 | 7.10
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| 09:12 | <mvip> vagrantc, well..i need to deploy the system this week
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| 09:12 | <ogra> Lumiere, oh, crap, indeed
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| 09:12 | 8.04 is LTS
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| 09:12 | Lumiere, thanks for the heads up ... (i should know better :P)
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| 09:13 | <mvip> ogra, ok, but does 7.04 come with sound and local device support out-of-box?
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| 09:13 | <ogra> mvip, yup
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| 09:13 | <mvip> sweet..
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| 09:13 | thanx
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| 09:13 | <ogra> if you want a quick sneak preview, grab the edubuntu iso, install it on a two NIC server and have even the setup out of the box ...
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| 09:14 | a common edubuntu install takes < 1h and should work right away
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| 09:14 | <mvip> ogra, I'm not sure if edubuntu is the best dist for an office env.
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| 09:14 | but i might be wrong
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| 09:14 | <ogra> nah
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| 09:14 | +for a preview how it should be i mean ... indeed i ddint suggest to use it in the final deployment ;)
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| 09:15 | <mvip> oh, haha
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| 09:15 | <ogra> edubuntu is currently the easiest way to install ltsp ... thats waht i meant ;)
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| 09:15 | and if you are even to lazy for that: http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
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| 09:15 | you can also buy it preinstalled ;)
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| 09:16 | <mvip> ogra, I know...system76 is cool, but they don't deliver to europe
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| 09:16 | <ogra> (hmm, we should ask them for a ubuntu-ltsp setup as well :) )
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| 09:16 | <mvip> and i'm deploying this system in Sweden...although i live in the US =)
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| 09:16 | <ogra> mvip, yeah, sadly
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| 09:17 | <mvip> ..and neither does Dell btw
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| 09:17 | to Sweden that is
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| 09:17 | <ogra> right
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| 09:17 | germany and france for now
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| 09:17 | and the uk i think
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| 09:17 | <mvip> I was actually planning to buy a ready system
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| 09:17 | <ogra> we'll get there some day ;)
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| 09:18 | <mvip> actually, check out my article about hte deployment at PlayingWithWire.com
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| 09:18 | that's the deployment....in theory =)
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| 09:18 | <ogra> you need mopre ram
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| 09:18 | (on the server)
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| 09:19 | <mvip> 2.5 Gb?
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| 09:19 | <ogra> 128M per running session ...
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| 09:19 | plus 256M for the server itself
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| 09:19 | makes about 1.5G
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| 09:19 | (with 10 clients)
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| 09:19 | <mvip> well, the idea was to run the server + 10 clients on 2.5 Gb...i thing that's enough
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| 09:20 | <ogra> oh, your table says 512M for the server
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| 09:20 | <mvip> yeah...plus extra modules (2GB)
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| 09:20 | the stock ones are too procy
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| 09:20 | pricy
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| 09:20 | <ogra> oh, blind me :)
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| 09:20 | <mvip> =)
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| 09:21 | but you're right..512 is not enough...
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| 09:21 | that's what i'm running on right now with 2 clients
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| 09:21 | and it's already maxing out
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| 09:21 | <ogra> also i would consider running it in 32bit mode ... you wont gain much for 64bit with less than 4G ram .... and 64bit brings a lot of probs with it wrt java and flash
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| 09:21 | <mvip> really?
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| 09:22 | well, worst case you step back to 32bit, right?
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| 09:22 | <ogra> well, there is no flash for 64bit...
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| 09:22 | you cant "just switch"
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| 09:22 | <mvip> dang
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| 09:22 | <ogra> all packages are compiled for either 32 or 64 biot mode
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| 09:22 | so that would need a reinstall
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| 09:22 | <mvip> dang
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| 09:23 | <ogra> i bet there are tons of hacks and workarounds for flash on 64bit ... but all are hacks or workarounds ... might break upgrades etc
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| 09:23 | <mvip> true indeed
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| 09:23 | <ogra> anyway, i need to go afk again ... bbl ...
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| 09:23 | <mvip> well, thanks dude
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| 09:24 | it sure clearified a tone
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| 10:18 | <kusznir> Hi all: Quick question: In ltsp4.2, is it possible to specify wildcard-based host definitions in lts.conf? (eg, [lab*.mydomain.com] to include lab01.mydomain.com, lab02.mydomain.com, etc.)?
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> kusznir: No, sorry, it's not.
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| 10:20 | <kusznir> ok, thanks!
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| 10:57 | <vagrantc> kusznir: that's a nice feature request, though
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| 10:57 | i could really use that
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| 10:57 | or 192.168.2.*
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| 10:58 | 10.*
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| 10:58 | etc
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: You're going to be in Boston, right?
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hope so
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> Lets you and I sit down for a half an hour, and figure out what features you want out of sdm, and get them rolled into ldm. As well, we can come up with an outline for a low-end greeter, purely xlib based.
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| 11:12 | There's no sense you and I working on maintaining two separate login managers :)
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: that would be good
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| 11:12 | indeed.
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> I think they're pretty close, only thing I know of differing between the two is that failover feature you wanted, which wouldn't be that hard to implement, and a lighter weight greeter, with no kde or gnome deps.
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> it's not a failover feature
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| 11:14 | we have two login servers, one for anonymous users who walk in off the street, and one for users who we give accounts to ...
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| 11:15 | <sbalneav> Well, failover for people who don't have accounts on the login machine :) What would be a good one-word summary for that feature?
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> how we have SDM configured is: if no user i specified, it defaults to logging in to the anonymous server with the username set as the hostname
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| 11:16 | and if a user is specified, it logs into a different server
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> Anonymous login?
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> not sure what to call it..
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> Well, whatever we call it, we should get it in there :)
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> i.e. if i'm sitting at ws01, i hit the login button... it logs into ws01@anonymous-server
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> got it.
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> if i enter a username, it logs in as username@user-server
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> For the lightweight greeter, would athena widgets be ok? Or does even that pull in a dep you don't want?
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> well, i'm just using Xdialog
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| 11:18 | which is gtk based
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| 11:19 | how heavy is the existing greeter ?
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> Not that heavy. But it does rely on the gtk libs
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> Biggest thing is the 200+k background image it loads :)
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| 11:20 | Maybe the existing greeter, but a lightweight "theme" with just a background colour?
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| 11:20 | <vagrantc> yeah, that would probably be perfect
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> I'd also like to snag a KDE boffin, see if I can bribe them with beer to write us a QT greeter. I'm sure someone who knows what they're doing could bash one out in a day or two.
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| 11:22 | Once the main greeter's done, I could probably handle changes/maintenance. I seem to be doing alright with the gtk one, even though I don't know much about Gnome programming.
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| 11:22 | I'm wondering if Aaron Seigo would be willing to do it.
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| 11:22 | <vagrantc> one of the kubuntu folks lives in portland, no ?
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| 11:25 | sbalneav: where did you grab the translation updates from ?
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> You.
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> which of my 20-some branches ?
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> I beleive
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| 11:25 | errr
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| 11:25 | I'd have to check at home.
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| 11:25 | Did I grab the wrong ones?
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> they look really old
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> Hrm.
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| 11:27 | <cliebow> sbalneav: pull some strings and get me invited to Boston ??
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the entire debconf templates have been re-written and reviewed by the debian-l10n-english team
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> Maybe I should just revert all that stuff then?
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> no idea
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| 11:28 | <sbalneav> Ogra didn't like them particularily, either. I probably mucked something up.
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> bzr's cherry-picking sucks.
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| 11:31 | sbalneav: so, we're starting to exhibit coding style schizophrenia ...
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> yeah. We should probably talk about that, too.
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you seem to prefer: [ -z "$FOO" ] && BAR .... whereas the rest of the code is mostly: if [ -z "$FOO" ]; then ; BAR
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> Most of the C code in the tree's mine (ldm, ltspfs), but the shell's all over the place.
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| 11:32 | yeah, I always like the more compressed syntax, because you can fit more on the screen
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| 11:32 | <cliebow> mmm..peanuts
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> i always prefer more explicit syntax because it's easier to read :)
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> But would you like me to use if .. else .. fi syntax? I'm happy to change my style.
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| 11:33 | OK, I'll use if-else from now on.
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> if it can fit on a single line, i'm fine with it ... but if it takes multiple lines, i tend to go with the full if ; then construct
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| 11:34 | though when it fits on a single line, i like to use test
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| 11:34 | i.e. test -z "$FOO" && BAR
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> but these are just my preferences
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| 11:34 | we need to pick something and stick to it
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| 11:35 | <klausade> vagrantc: I think that why some of my clients can't handle next-server is because of some of my cisco switches, probably some multicast stuff.
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> Well, you, I and ogra are the primary "coders", for lack of a better term. I'm happy to do anything. Is my C style good for you?
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> klausade: yeah, i was stumbling across multicast stuff with my problem ... though i only understand multicast from a purely vague theoretical idea ... not any real experience
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> It's a slightly modified k&r
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i don't really know C ... so
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| 11:37 | sbalneav: what really caught my attention is when you changed lots of code to use the different style ... :P
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| 11:38 | a little bit of coding style change formnew code is one thing, but to change the existing conventions :P
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> Well, anything I touch, I clean up to the way I like it. Perhaps that was rude of me, really, thinking back, I probably should have checked. Mea culpa.
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| 11:40 | I just sort of do it as a habit.
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| 11:41 | I don't want to make any big changes in my tree right ATM, however, after the gutsy release, I'll go through and set things back to our standard.
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| 11:41 | <vagrantc> i have the same tendency in my heart, but have learned to stop it in practice :)
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| 11:42 | sbalneav: i don't think those changes hit gutsy yet ... at least not the gutsy bzr branch
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> Hmm, so maybe I still have time.
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| 11:43 | OK, I'll shuffle through and fix a few things up.
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> the other codingstyle thing we agreed to was 4 spaces for indents
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| 11:43 | no tabs, except when necessary
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| 11:43 | (i.e. make files)
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> Yeah, that's the same for me.
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> oh, it looks like the gutsy bzr branch is outdated
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| 11:44 | ogra: :P
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| 11:45 | ogra: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/ only contains up to 5.0.22 ... but 5.0.24 is uploaded to gutsy
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> Want me to add a "shell scripting conventions" document?
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: sure
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> Or maybe a "coding style"
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| 11:48 | might be helpful.
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| 11:48 | OK, I'll fix up some stuff.
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| 11:50 | <cliebow> cool..
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> Here's a good one for you...
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| 11:51 | Just looking at ltsp_config
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| 11:51 | where we have a 3 condition check...
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| 11:51 | so, which do you prefer..
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| 11:51 | if [ .. ] && [ .. ] && [ .. ]; fi, or
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| 11:52 | if [ .. -a .. -a .. ]; fi
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> i prefer ] && [
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> it's more POSIX compliant
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> does dash have a builtin test?
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> i think so
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| 11:52 | dash supports [ .. -a .. ]
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| 11:53 | but other POSIX shells don't necessarily
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| 11:56 | sbalneav: some more patches: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/ubuntu/vagrant-gutsy
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| 11:56 | should shrink the packages noticeably
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> Ditched the debian-edu themes?
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: debian-edu maintains their own themes in their own package
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| 12:16 | sbalneav: no sense shipping them
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: are you using client/themes at all anymore ?
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: wishlist request for themes ... i'd like to be able to layer themes
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| 12:36 | i.e. have a themes/common directory with all the .png's that are shared ... and then ldm looksthere for any files it doesn't find in the specified theme
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| 12:36 | though i'm doing some clean-up work using symlinks
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| 12:38 | as a workaround
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| 12:40 | <cliebow> ls
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok, here's a few patches that symlink the common files instead of having a separate copy for each theme: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/ubuntu/vagrant-gutsy
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| 12:47 | xubuntu's bg.png is crazy huge
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| 12:48 | isn't xubuntu supposed to be the low-resource ubuntu variant? :)
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| 12:51 | all the different ubuntu branches should probably ship their own themes in their own package or something.
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| 13:24 | <dan__t> 'afternoon, doods.
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| 13:24 | Anyone know of a way that I can make certain defaults possible in a new LTSP deployment, things such as making Firefox use a proxy, setting a home page, editing menus for the LTSP users, etc etc.
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| 13:25 | <jbassett> Hi guys
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| 13:25 | <dan__t> Hello.
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| 13:25 | <jbassett> Having issues logging into ltsp5 using ldm
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| 13:25 | <dan__t> And how about Fedora 7 integration? The Wiki hints to Spring of 2007.
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| 13:25 | <jbassett> I am able to login if i load GDM as usual on screen 7
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| 13:26 | with LDM it takes my user/pass and then just restarts the LDM display
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| 13:26 | i have run the sshkeys script and it copied the file ok it seems
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| 13:29 | <dan__t> Does /var/log/messages hint to anything?
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| 13:29 | Smells like pam not working properly.
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| 13:30 | <jbassett> not a sausage
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| 13:31 | <dan__t> er, /var/log/secure would be used for pam, sorry
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| 13:31 | <jbassett> i dont have secure
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| 13:32 | <balbir_> I tried to setup LTSP, but couldn't configure XDMCP
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| 13:32 | how can i connect to X server
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| 13:32 | I am using Ubuntu 7.10
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| 13:32 | <jbassett> also, i am unable to login at the console prompt on the client
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| 13:33 | my server user/passwords dont work
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| 13:33 | <balbir_> I enabled XDMCP=true in xorg.conf
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| 13:33 | but couldn't get port no 177 in listening mode
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> jbassett: can you ssh to the server ?
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| 13:33 | <jbassett> yep, im ssh'd in now from a Windows laptop
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| 13:33 | port 22 is fine
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> balbir_: in 7.10, ltsp uses ssh
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| 13:33 | <jbassett> no firewalls running
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> jbassett: as the same user ?
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| 13:34 | <balbir_> I need to setup WYSE clinet using LTSP
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| 13:34 | <jbassett> one of the same, have tried various
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| 13:34 | <balbir_> WYSE client support ICA and RDP protocol
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> balbir_: is your WYSE client running LTSP ? because then it would only support ICA and RDP if your installed the appropriate software.
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> jbassett: which distro ?
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| 13:36 | <jbassett> Xandros 4.1 running ltsp5
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| 13:36 | debian tar
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> jbassett: is /etc/X11/Xsession present and executable on the server ?
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| 13:36 | dan__t: ask the fedora folks about LTSP5 ... they've left us clueless
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| 13:36 | jbassett: is /etc/X11/Xsession present and executable on the server ?
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| 13:36 | <dan__t> Oh ok, thanks.
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| 13:36 | <jbassett> will check...
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> jbassett: what's Xandros 4.1 based off of? or is it entirely it's own distro now?
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| 13:37 | <dan__t> What do you mean, left you clueless?
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| 13:37 | <jbassett> is it present but not executable
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| 13:38 | <balbir_> vagrantc: my WYSE client support only ICA and RDP, LTSP is not running in WYSE client, it's default embedded software
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| 13:38 | <jbassett> based on Debian from what im aware of
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| 13:38 | i will make exe then retry
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> balbir_: then you're not connecting to LTSP
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| 13:39 | balbir_: LTSP is just a collection of software to boot thin clients.
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| 13:40 | balbir_: no idea if there are ICA or RDP servers for LTSP
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| 13:40 | <dan__t> Ok, I'm going to give LTSP5 a run on F7.
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| 13:40 | We'll see how that goes.
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> !integration
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| 13:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> dan__t: check that out for a brief overview
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| 13:41 | <dan__t> Thanks!
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| 13:43 | I think I read that Mr. Fenwick was working on F7 integration?
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| 13:43 | It's important enough to me right now that I might want to pick up on that.
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| 13:44 | <balbir_> vagrantc: is there any recommended thin client server which is compatible with ICA|RDP
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> no idea
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| 13:44 | <balbir_> vagrantc: I don't want to use WIndows 2008 server as a solution
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| 13:44 | I need to replace it
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| 13:46 | <jbassett> nope, still not logging in
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| 13:54 | <jbassett> auth.info states after a kdm login attempt:
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| 13:54 | Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for rbassett from 172.16.1.92 port 3229 ssh2
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| 13:54 | (pam_unix) session opened for user rbassett by (uid=0)
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| 13:55 | sorry ldm login attempt
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| 13:55 | bu t them ldm login screen reappers
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> jbassett: Which version?
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| 13:57 | feisty?
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| 13:57 | You might need to do a sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 13:57 | <jbassett> Xandros 4.1 using Debian .tar.bz2 version of ltsp5
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| 13:57 | done
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| 13:57 | still no luck
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> no .. if it's accepting the password, it's not a key problem ...
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| 13:58 | <jbassett> can login with kdm on screen 7
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> jbassett: anything in ~user/.xsession-errors
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| 13:58 | <jbassett> checking...
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: ok, I've cleaned up some stuff, and created a coding style document. Check in my tree, rev 445
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| 14:02 | <jbassett> yes...
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| 14:02 | xsetroot: unable to open display ''
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| 14:03 | ksplash: cannot connect to X server
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| 14:03 | ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
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| 14:03 | and some more
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: looks good so far :)
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| 14:04 | sbalneav: hopefully others will like it too :)
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| 14:05 | <jbassett> found this, very similar but they are not using ltsp i think:
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| 14:05 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=375895
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> I'd really like to tear into ogra's configure-x.sh script, and change all the mass \t and \n into a cat <<-EOF type syntax, but I'll leave that for a later date.
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: more changes in my branch to merge :)
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| 14:10 | sbalneav: it's all theme related stuff
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> ok, cool
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> mostly replacing common files with symlinks
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| 14:11 | should result in smaller packages
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| 14:12 | we should also make an LTSP theme, and have that be the only theme included in LDM by default ... and have *ubuntu derivatives and debian* include packages that add their own
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| 14:19 | <dan__t> hrm, appears that ltsp-mainline does not exist anymore, per the !integration lin
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| 14:19 | link, too.
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> oh yeah
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| 14:19 | <dan__t> yeah
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| 14:20 | i'm trying to browse the tree to find a match
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline/
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| 14:21 | that's the upstream source
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| 14:21 | er, new upstream
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| 14:21 | however
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| 14:21 | <dan__t> You sure? heheh
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> well....
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| 14:22 | <balbir_> vagrantc: well, some basic question
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> depends on if you treat upstream as ubuntu or ltsp-drivers
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| 14:22 | <dan__t> I see.
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| 14:22 | Is there just a "generic"?
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> that would be ltsp-drivers
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| 14:22 | <dan__t> I'll be attempting this build over Fedora 7.
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| 14:22 | ok.
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> though ubuntu's changes will almost certainly propegate into that branch
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| 14:22 | <balbir_> vagrantc: do thin client needs to be diskless desktop only
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> haven't yet merged ubuntu and debian
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| 14:23 | <dan__t> hrm.
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> balbir_: could you rephrase the question
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| 14:24 | <dan__t> I guess I"m just looking for some pure vanilla sources.
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| 14:24 | <balbir_> vagrantc: do thin client needs to be diskless desktop only? like should it be some minimal hardware configuration,
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| 14:25 | vagrantc: so that we could use the phased out PC properly? or use it in a school or some non-profit organization?
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> dan__t: there is no such thing
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| 14:26 | <dan__t> Guess it's 4.2 then
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> dan__t: upstream development on muekow was largely spearheaded by ubuntu
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| 14:26 | <dan__t> Ah, I see it now.
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| 14:26 | Ok, well, I guess its 4.2 for me
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> but the major shift is that LTSP is no longer an entire distro of it's own ... you build the LTSP environment out of the host distro's packages
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| 14:27 | so you'd probably build a fedora LTSP out of fedora rpms
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| 14:28 | that's the idea behind it
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| 14:29 | dan__t: LTSP is now a small handful of scripts and binaries
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| 14:29 | dan__t: so the effort to port it to fedora is probably not a lot
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| 14:30 | in fact, considering all the time i've spent telling people "fedora doesn't have LTSP5" i could have probably ported it to fedora.
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| 14:30 | * vagrantc considers building a fedora chroot somewhere | |
| 14:32 | <vagrantc> but i was kind of hoping someone familiar with fedora would do it.
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Once things calmed down a bit in October, I was planning on taking a Debian/Ubuntu chroot, and documenting how to get them going under Fedora.
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i can't imagine the effort to do a real port would be considerably more than documenting the frankenstein approach
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> Well, the problem will be finding someone on the fedora distro team with the power/authority/willingness to make the changes to the initramfs, and those sorts of things.
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| 14:35 | <dan__t> Well, I'm someone familiar with Fedora.
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| 14:35 | But not so much with LTSP anymore.
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| 14:35 | So I'm just looking for a starting point.
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| 14:35 | <sbalneav> You on the distro team?
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| 14:35 | <dan__t> I don't need to be. I'll make my own spin, and submit it later if/when it works.
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: if you make all the changes and provide a local repository with all the modifications necessary, i'magine someone will pull it in
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| 14:35 | <dan__t> For now, I need a starting point.
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| 14:36 | And that's exactly what I'm trying to piece together right now.
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> could be either my, or vagrantc's bzr tree.
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> dan__t: what tool do you use to build a chroot on fedora ?
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| 14:37 | i know there's some debian-isms in the debian/ubuntu code ... but we can fix those.
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| 14:38 | <dan__t> It's been so long, I cannot tell you at this moment.
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| 14:38 | I've done it all by hand in the past, but someone had to ruin my fun and make a utility for it.
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:39 | <dan__t> See if *I* ever spend tens of hours writing scripts to re-spin the bitch
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| 14:39 | *sigh*
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> if you can find the preferred utility for creating a chroot environment ... or write your own ... we're 85% of the way to LTSP5
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| 14:40 | <dan__t> The name is on the tip of my tongue.
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| 14:40 | revisor
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| 14:41 | http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> oh, a GUI utility isn't so good
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| 14:42 | <dan__t> Nope.
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> dan__t: what about: yum --installroot=/opt/ltsp/i386 groupinstall Core
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| 14:43 | <dan__t> That also works.
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| 14:43 | However, that only builds the tree to mount a share from.
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> what do you mean ?
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| 14:44 | <dan__t> That won't get you any initrd hackery or anything that you guys are trying to do with debian.
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> yeah, but it's a start ...
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| 14:44 | <dan__t> It is.
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| 14:44 | I have my core all set up just fine
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> do you have lsb_release for fedora ?
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| 14:44 | <dan__t> lsb?
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> we use lsb_release to determine which distro and verison you're currently running
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| 14:45 | <dan__t> er nm, duh.
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| 14:45 | yeah, hold on
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| 14:45 | That's a good idea.
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| 14:45 | What do you want to know of it?
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> lsb_release --id
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| 14:45 | <dan__t> It's called redhat-lsb, btw
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> the package, or the script ?
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| 14:45 | <dan__t> the package name is, anyway
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| 14:45 | sorry
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| 14:46 | Distributor ID: Fedora
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> excellent.
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| 14:46 | <dan__t> lsb_release -id yields -> Description: Fedora release 7 (Moonshine)
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| 14:46 | that might work better.
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| 14:46 | ALlowing one to port to any recent versions of Fedora.
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| 14:46 | I would imagine, anyway...
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> lsb_release -i -s
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| 14:47 | <dan__t> Fedora
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> perfect ...
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| 14:47 | <dan__t> What are you getting at?
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| 14:47 | I don't mean to be a dolt, just wondering how I can help.
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> dan__t: i'm mentally walking through what ltsp-build-client does, and checking if it will break on you
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| 14:48 | <dan__t> Ok, that's what I was looking for.
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| 14:48 | Remember asking for sources and stuff?
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| 14:48 | That's what I wanted.
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> dan__t: yes, well, you have several to choose from :P
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| 14:48 | <dan__t> Where do I start? heh
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| 14:48 | And why several?
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| 14:49 | Just everyone's interpretation of what should be?
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> well, they are just branches off the same codebase
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| 14:49 | <dan__t> Yeah.
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> eventually they merge back up
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| 14:49 | <dan__t> So, where's the *original* codebase.
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> ltsp-drivers is the theoretical upstream
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| 14:50 | <dan__t> yeah
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| 14:50 | beh.
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| 14:51 | well, shit.
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> debian and ubuntu both have lots of patches on top of that
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| 14:51 | <dan__t> yeah.
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> do you have built-in support for unionfs and squashfs ?
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| 14:51 | in fedora ?
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| 14:52 | if not, i would go withthe debian branch, which uses NFS
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| 14:52 | just to get started
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| 14:52 | <dan__t> Through FUSE, yeah.
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| 14:52 | But there's nothing wrong with NFS for the time being.
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> i think the debian branch is a little simpler to work with for the moment
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| 14:53 | <dan__t> ahh
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> bzr get http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main/ pkg-ltsp-main
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| 14:54 | that would be my recommendation for a starting place
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| 14:54 | then we just need to provide some fedora plugins
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| 14:58 | dan__t: in fact, i've got a yum plugin for you already :)
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| 15:04 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "/usr/share/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Fedora/010-yum-build-chroot" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/291
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| 15:06 | <dan__t> I'm doing absolutely nothing today
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| 15:06 | I mean like
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| 15:06 | Our company is supposedly getting bought out
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| 15:06 | brb
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 15:32 | <dan__t> k, sorry.
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| 15:32 | ok, so, what do we do now heh
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> dan__t: did you download the bzr branch ?
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| 15:35 | <dan__t> I did not, hold on.
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| 15:35 | wait, the entire branch?
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 15:36 | bzr get http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main/ pkg-ltsp-main
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| 15:38 | <dan__t> Well, guess fedora doesn't like bzr all that much
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| 15:38 | give me a few.
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| 15:39 | wtf why not cvs or svn?
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| 15:39 | <whiprush_> distributed is the new hotness
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> well, i balked at bzr at first, but i've grown to like it.
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| 15:40 | but yeah, distributed vcs is sexy.
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| 15:41 | well, i found a utility to build a fedora chroot on debian :)
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| 15:48 | dan__t: if you want to download a source tarball ... http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltsp/
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| 15:57 | <monteslu> dan__t, you're in the phoenix area right?
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| 16:04 | <dan__t> yes.
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| 16:05 | <monteslu> thought I was the only ltsp user here :)
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| 16:06 | <dan__t> you wish
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| 16:06 | <monteslu> ok, one of the first
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| 16:08 | <dan__t> brb
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> See you all later tonight.
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| 16:22 | <mvip> ogra, im back with a fresh 7.04 installation =)
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| 16:22 | sound worked out-of-box indeed...
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| 16:25 | however, Local Devices (usb-printers and USB-sticks etc.) appears to require som kind of modification to work....anyone want to offer me any help on how to get that working?
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| 16:25 | (running ubuntu 7.04 Server)
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 16:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> !localdev #2
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| 16:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "localdev" is not a valid command.
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> !localdev 2
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| 16:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "localdev" is not a valid command.
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> mvip: look at #2
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> or not
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 16:56 | seems like fedora's run-parts isn't compatible with debian's
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| 17:00 | the whole modules system is dependent on that
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| 17:01 | we can re-implement it ... but ugh
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| 17:27 | <gonzaloaf_work> hello, I use ltsp 4.2, what do I have to do if I receive the message that the Ethernet Card was not detected at booting? then I receive a kernel panic
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> ok, got a chroot built using ltsp-build-client
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| 17:32 | on *fedora*
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| 17:32 | of course, getting a booting kernel is going to be trickier
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| 17:35 | <dan__t> hit me up with questions tonight, i'll have time then.
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| 17:42 | <gonzaloaf_work> any clue for me?
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> !troubleshoot
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| 17:43 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "troubleshoot" is not a valid command.
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> !troubleshooting
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| 17:43 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "troubleshooting" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> gonzaloaf_work: any clues there ?
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| 17:44 | <gonzaloaf_work> vagrantc, nop
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> surely somewhere on wiki.ltsp.org there is something ...
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| 17:47 | <gonzaloaf_work> I have read about ISA cards, but I think I dont have a ISA card, integrated ethernet card are view as PCI right?
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| 18:05 | <dan__t> correct
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> dan__t: wel, i've gotten as far as generating the fedora chroot and generating an initramfs image that might boot
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| 19:37 | <dan__t> werd
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| 19:41 | <monteslu> cool. maybe i can go back to fedora next summer
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> jammcq: guess what i've been working on
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| 19:43 | <jammcq> ummm, learning to eat beef ?
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> almost the same thing!
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| 19:43 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 19:43 | now i'm lost
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora
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| 19:44 | <jammcq> ooh man
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| 19:45 | have you been talking to Scotty? he did some playing with that last week
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> eventually i started thinking it would take less time to get a crude and basic implementation going than to tell people it didn't exist
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| 19:45 | i mentioned it
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| 19:45 | <dan__t> I have a ~20-node network I can test on.
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| 19:45 | Just kinda swamped ATM
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> scotty didn't mention anything about it
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| 19:46 | <jammcq> vagrantc: you playing with rpm and all those goodies ?
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| 19:46 | <dan__t> WARP SPEED?!
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| 19:46 | I can RPM 'em.
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> jammcq: thankfully, i can mostly use yum
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| 19:46 | <jammcq> yeah, but you need to create rpm packages, even for yum, don't you?
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> dan__t: if i get the code working, can you turn them into rpms ?
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| 19:46 | <dan__t> I can.
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| 19:47 | I can make a yum repo for them once they're solid
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| 19:47 | Shit, I'll host it, too.
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i'm just working on getting a plugin
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| 19:47 | <dan__t> That's how much this means to me.
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| 19:47 | <jammcq> ah
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> and rooting out the debian-isms
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| 19:47 | <jammcq> I really *shouldn't* be that hard
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| 19:47 | especially for someone who knows the internals of LTSP-5
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| 19:47 | s/I/It/
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| 19:47 | <dan__t> See, I don't.
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| 19:47 | But I know the internals of Fedora pretty damn well.
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> someone who wrote the plugin system with the intention of supporting multiple distros
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| 19:48 | <jammcq> vagrantc: yeah, zackly
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| 19:48 | * vagrantc wonders how to install bzr on fedora | |
| 19:48 | <dan__t> I was wondering the exact same thing.
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> gah, probably not worth it ...
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| 19:48 | <dan__t> phone, brb.
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| 19:48 | Sorry for doing this.
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> since i'm working in a chroot, i'll just do checkouts outside of the chroot and copy them in or something
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| 19:53 | man, just hit a bunch of fedora updates since i started
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| 20:36 | <vagrantc> some fixes for fedora pending
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| 21:03 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora
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| 21:04 | i just couldn't resist
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| 21:04 | <sbalneav> Oh, cool
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| 21:04 | How far you get?
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> it builds a chroot, tweaks the initramfs to to network boot ...
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| 21:05 | no idea if it works
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| 21:05 | <sbalneav> Wow!
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| 21:05 | vagrantc++
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> first time i have ever run fedora.
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| 21:05 | yay for chroots
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| 21:07 | adios
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| 22:22 | <TheProf> Hello - very quick basic question: the k12ltsp server crashed (i believe there was a power failure and that is when I learned the UPS it is connected to is dead. Argh). It will now crash during the bootup process
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| 22:23 | with a kernel panic. it doesn't detect any logical drives of the LVM.
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| 22:23 | Now, when you boot up the server, it gives you two FC installations to pick. Letting it go to the default crashes. Picking the second one (seems to have a different kernel name) doesn't crash, as I am on it now.
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| 22:24 | My question is: can I just pop in a knoppix CD and run fsck to fix this magically?
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| 22:24 | <sbalneav> You have backups, right?
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| 22:24 | <TheProf> just made them 2 days ago
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| 22:25 | <sbalneav> And you've tested them? :)
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| 22:25 | <TheProf> ahem..sure :)
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| 22:25 | I backup in two ways.
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| 22:26 | 1) rsync /home, root, etc, var to another machine nightly
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| 22:26 | 2) Mondoarchive full CD image backups
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| 22:26 | but never tested them.
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| 22:27 | sbalneav, can I take it you think the machine's toast?
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| 22:27 | Can't I just scandisk it or something ;)
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| 22:28 | <sbalneav> No, I think it's unsafe to take any corrective action which may permanently affect the machine until you're sure you can recover if the worst happens.
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| 22:29 | <TheProf> I set up the new server a couple of weeks ago. School has not yet started so there isn't really a problem if the machine died.
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| 22:30 | I would like to learn how to use fsck, if that is the right tool for this.
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| 22:30 | <sbalneav> The fsck's probably already run.
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| 22:31 | The machine wouldn't boot without a clean filesystem
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| 22:31 | <TheProf> But I had to pick the other kernel during boot.
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| 22:31 | Can I use yum to remove it and then reinstall it?
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| 22:32 | <sbalneav> Well, without some indication as to WHAT the other kernel is, I can't really advise you. All I know so far is you have two kernels on the machine: one that boots, and another that doesn't. Do you need that other kernel? Was it one you installed for a reason?
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| 22:35 | <TheProf> from what I understand from this link: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=124247 it is just an update
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| 22:35 | I had installed the one that was with the initial k12ltsp v6 (FC4 I think) and there was an update that yum grabbed
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| 22:36 | <sbalneav> ok, how does it crash? That may be an indication of other problems.
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| 22:37 | <TheProf> power failure.
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| 22:37 | and the UPS seems to have been dead
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| 22:37 | so it just crashed
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| 22:38 | 'last' seems to show it crashed Saturday
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| 22:38 | <sbalneav> No, I mean how does the other kernel crash on startup?
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| 22:39 | <TheProf> ah. My apologies.
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| 22:39 | I can reboot and get the exact message if you think that would help.
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| 22:41 | <sbalneav> Well, did that kernel USED to boot?
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| 22:41 | <TheProf> absolutely
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| 22:41 | <sbalneav> Then something's still wrong.
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| 22:41 | <TheProf> alright i'll reboot and get the error.
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| 22:41 | One moment.
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| 22:52 | <TheProf> Phew.
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| 22:52 | sbalneav, alright here's the situation
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| 22:53 | if on boot you pick kernel 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 it works great
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| 22:53 | if the default boots (2.6.22.1-32.fc6) then you get
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| 22:53 | Finding all physical volumes
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| 22:54 | No vol. group found
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| 22:54 | Volume group "volgroup00" not found
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| 22:54 | unable to access resume device /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01
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| 22:54 | mount: can't find filesystem /dev/root
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| 22:54 | setuproot: moving /dev failed
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| 22:55 | setuproot: error mounting /proc: no such file, etc.
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| 22:55 | setuproot: error mounting /sys: no such file, etc
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| 22:55 | switchroot: mount failed
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| 22:55 | kernel panic: not syncing: attempting to kill init
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| 22:55 | and that's it
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| 22:56 | <sbalneav> ok, you've lost some of your volume group data.
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| 22:57 | <TheProf> I follow you.
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| 22:57 | <sbalneav> I'm not familiar with Fedora, does their bootable disk have the lvm utils on it?
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| 22:58 | You'll want to run lvmdiskscan -v -d, to see what the system thinks is there.
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| 22:58 | Possibly a vgscan -d
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| 22:59 | <TheProf> possibly. I know that there are commands in grub related to lvm
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| 23:02 | I do appreciate your help, I just have to go because my wife has come in to get me to go home. What direction do you recommend I proceed?
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| 23:03 | <sbalneav> Well, I'd read up on recovering lvm info, obviously, you've got some corruption there.
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| 23:03 | <TheProf> alright
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| 23:03 | Thank you very much.
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| 23:03 | <sbalneav> NP
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| 23:03 | <TheProf> have a good night.
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| 23:04 | <sbalneav> Same to you!
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| 23:04 | good luck
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| 23:04 | <TheProf> thanks
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| 23:04 | <sbalneav> Yikes.
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