IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:14 | <sutula> vagrantc: I'm in the new maintainer process. Somewhere along the line I saw that they consider it a civic duty (or something like that) :)
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| 00:16 | vagrantc: I see you in the same list
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| 00:16 | <vagrantc> sutula: yeah...
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| 00:17 | <sutula> vagrantc: I've been trying to get wine sound working in an LTSP client...I'm afraid these two big pieces aren't quite up to it yet
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| 00:18 | wine claims to be able to use alsa, and my other alsa apps work fine on a client, but I guess all alsa apps aren't alike
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> sutula: you sure they're actually using alsa, and not pulse or esound ?
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| 00:20 | <sutula> vagrantc: wine has a bunch of different drivers (alsa, esd, oss, nas, but not pulse), and their config program can (supposedly) select which one is used.
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| 00:21 | vagrantc: When alsa is selected, the alsa library complains it can't open /dev/snd/seq, which I wouldn't care about, but it may be bombing out at that point and not trying any more
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| 00:22 | vagrantc: We don't have any sequencer (MIDI) emulation, do we?
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| 00:23 | <vagrantc> not that i'm aware of ... just pcm and ctl (mixer)
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| 00:23 | <sutula> vagrantc: I may have to modify their alsa driver at some point, or wait for them to support pulse
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| 00:24 | vagrantc: RE bugs, you can get me back by submitting some against openhpi :) ...I probably need more user involvement before my AM will be happy
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> sutula: i'm not even sure i have a use for it :)
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| 00:27 | * sutula is pretty sure few people do | |
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| 02:09 | <vlt> Hello. I have a client with a nic identies by `lspci` as "00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip commpatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 40) \n Subsystem: Unknown device 3030:5032". Can anyone help me which etherboot image to create on rom-o-matic.net?
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| 02:24 | <moversti> could someone confirm that 64-bit server can be used with 32-bit clients?
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| 02:25 | <sep> moversti, as long as you make the lstp chroot 32 bit, yes
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| 02:25 | <moversti> ty, do you have some url to read?
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| 02:26 | <sep> and unless you have >4 GB ram in your server it's not realy nessecary to install a 64 bit os on the 64 bit server.
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| 02:26 | url ?
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| 02:26 | <moversti> web page :)
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| 02:27 | <sep> no :)
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| 02:27 | <moversti> some 64bit comps wont install 32bit linux
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| 02:27 | I have tried :/
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| 02:31 | <sep> moversti, never seen that unless it was a non x86 arch
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| 02:31 | i have many that way
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| 02:31 | x86's that is
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| 02:40 | <vlt> `dmesg | grep eth` returns "eth0: Davicom DM9102 at pci0000:00:0b.0, 00:08:a1:96:5b:de, irq 11". I tried the etherboot images "davicom9102", "dmfe9102" and "tulip:dm9102" but no success. How can I find out what driver is used by the kernel (2.6.21, and `lsmod` is empty)?
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| 03:28 | <ogra> moversti, with ltsp5 you only need the option --arch i386 for ltsp-build-client
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| 03:28 | !ubuntu
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| 03:28 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 03:28 | <ogra> !debian
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| 03:28 | <ltspbot> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 04:06 | <Penberthy> any people on who could help me
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| 04:07 | taking that as a no
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| 04:07 | <ogra> Penberthy, if you waste time with asking if you may ask ....
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| 04:08 | what do you expect :) just ask what you want to know, if someone knows an answer he/she will answer
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| 04:10 | <Penberthy> well my clients are stuck trying to reach the nfs
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| 04:10 | its booted fine once but its saying that the nfs isnt responding which I find hard to believe
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| 04:10 | <Penberthy> cause it grabbed dhcp from the same pc
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| 04:10 | <ogra> and nfs is running there ?
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| 04:11 | (did you check ?)
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| 04:11 | <Penberthy> yeah it is
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| 04:11 | <ogra> can you mount /opt/ltsp/i386 from another machine in the net ?
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| 04:12 | s/from/to/
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| 04:12 | <Penberthy> well I have no linux machines on the network
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| 04:12 | eveything connects to the ltsp server
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| 04:12 | and nothing will connect
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| 04:12 | <ogra> which ltsp version/distro is that ?
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| 04:12 | <Penberthy> k12ltsp
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| 04:12 | ver 6
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| 04:13 | <ogra> so the old ltsp ...
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| 04:13 | <Penberthy> uses fedora that why I went with it
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| 04:13 | <ogra> i knoww
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| 04:13 | <Penberthy> and its preconfigured
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| 04:13 | <ogra> yup, but missing a recent ltzsp
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| 04:13 | *ltsp
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| 04:14 | <Penberthy> why you got a better solution, cause I need to get this up within a hour
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| 04:14 | and I have basic knowledge when it comes to linux
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| 04:15 | <ogra> well, it can be three things ... your nfs server isnt working properly (check the logs if mount requests arrive, best would be to try a mount from another machine i.e. using a liveCD)
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| 04:16 | 2) your network has glitches i.e. you added a managed switch that isnt properly configured
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| 04:16 | so it might not let nfs stuff through
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| 04:16 | <Penberthy> no managed switches
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| 04:16 | well it did it before
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| 04:16 | <ogra> 3) your client setup (chroot on the server) is broken ... very unlikely
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| 04:17 | unless you fiddled in it manually
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| 04:17 | <Penberthy> no
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| 04:17 | just stopped working when I was adding the last clients
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| 04:17 | <ogra> oh, there is a 4 ... your dhcp server is configured wrongly (i.e. root-path doesnt have the right setting)
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| 04:17 | <Penberthy> and then everything stopped working
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| 04:17 | <ogra> from one second to another ?
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| 04:18 | is your server out of diskspace probably ?
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| 04:18 | <Penberthy> thats funny
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| 04:19 | <ogra> why ? happens
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| 04:19 | <Penberthy> got 200 GB drive with just the clean install
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| 04:19 | <ogra> well
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| 04:19 | <Penberthy> I'll install again if I have too but already done that twice
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| 04:20 | <ogra> and it didnt change ?
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| 04:21 | <Penberthy> nope
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| 04:21 | <ogra> then its something witrh your LAN ...
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| 04:21 | <Penberthy> even with the clients that worked before there producing the same error
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| 04:21 | <ogra> is there another dhcp server running in your network ?
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| 04:22 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, can you manually mount nfs exports on another machine?
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| 04:22 | <Penberthy> I dont have linux machine to try that with
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| 04:22 | <cyberorg> moin ogra :)
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| 04:22 | <ogra> cyberorg, he has no other linuix in his network
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| 04:23 | moin
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| 04:23 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, live CD?
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| 04:23 | <Penberthy> everything else is windows
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| 04:23 | <ogra> yeah, that was my suggestion as well
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| 04:23 | <cyberorg> installation disk would do too
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| 04:23 | <Penberthy> well unless my fedora 7 is live no
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| 04:23 | <ogra> no quick DSL ?
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| 04:23 | <Penberthy> actually we run fiber here
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| 04:23 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, fedora disk, boot into recovery mode
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| 04:23 | <ogra> well, download one then :)
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| 04:24 | ah, right, recovery might help
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| 04:24 | * ogra hasnt touched any redhat CDs since version 4.x | |
| 04:24 | <ogra> :)
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| 04:24 | <cyberorg> DSL is just about 60 MB, that would be better
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| 04:25 | <Penberthy> ???
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| 04:25 | <ogra> cyberorg, i meant ADSL, not damn small linux ... but that would be an option as well indeed :)
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| 04:25 | <Penberthy> using my fedora cd
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| 04:25 | <ogra> yeah, that should work
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| 04:26 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, hope you are comfortable with network configuration manually, not sure if it would do dhcp
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| 04:26 | * ogra really bets for another dhcp server running anywhere | |
| 04:26 | <cyberorg> yeah, windows machine serving it
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| 04:26 | <ogra> right
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| 04:28 | <Penberthy> no already turned off the Windows AD servers
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| 04:29 | what is the exact line I should use in the shell
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| 04:29 | to mounth
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| 04:29 | moun*
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| 04:29 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, you got ip address configured?
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| 04:29 | showmount -e <serverip>
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| 04:29 | <Penberthy> should I have done that manually cause I let it grab it dhcp
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| 04:30 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, ping your server
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| 04:30 | if it works fine
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| 04:30 | do showmount thing first
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| 04:30 | after ping
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| 04:30 | <Penberthy> showmount isnt a command in the shell
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| 04:30 | at least thats what it tells me
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| 04:31 | and pinging works fine
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| 04:31 | <cyberorg> if you can ping the server, mount -t nfs <serverip>:/path/exported /mnt
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| 04:33 | <Penberthy> well I got a permission denied
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| 04:34 | <ogra> used the right path ?
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| 04:35 | <Penberthy> the one you typed
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| 04:35 | <ogra> heh
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| 04:35 | <Penberthy> or was that not what I was supposed to type
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| 04:35 | <ogra> you should replace that by the exported path
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| 04:35 | <Penberthy> sorry been up for over 24 hours
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| 04:35 | <ogra> not sur3 what the old ltsp used
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| 04:35 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, /opt/ltsp/i386 or whatever you have exported
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| 04:35 | <ogra> nowadays its /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 04:37 | <cyberorg> ogra, any plan of moving it to /srv/ ?
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| 04:37 | <Penberthy> success on mounting
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| 04:37 | <ogra> cyberorg, well ...
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| 04:37 | <Penberthy> brb
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| 04:37 | <ogra> cyberorg, i must admit i dont really mind where it sits :)
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| 04:38 | <cyberorg> ogra, yeah, i am told /srv is more LSB compliant :p
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| 04:38 | i don't care what it is either :)
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| 04:38 | <ogra> well, the chroot can apply to both LSB wise ...
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| 04:39 | so its a matter of liking ... mail the ML and ask for a vote :)
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| 04:39 | <cyberorg> ogra, naah, i've put in /srv/ where everything related to server is on suse
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| 04:40 | <ogra> the prob is the docs here
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| 04:40 | there are tons of pages you will need to update for that
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| 04:41 | you wouldnt belive how many people are still confused by the change of the tftp dir location, even though ltsp 4 isnt developed since two years anymore and the change is old
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| 04:41 | but people still look for /tftproot
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| 04:42 | <cyberorg> ogra, yeah, we have /tftpboot as default and with ltsp, we have moved that in /srv/tftpboot, so there might be some confusion later
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| 04:42 | <ogra> *boot indeed
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| 04:42 | there should be a proper LSB complian space your distro defines for that, use it
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| 04:42 | <cyberorg> ogra, luckily the script we wrote, sets tftp server, so user doesnt need to bother with that
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| 04:42 | ogra, that is /srv
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| 04:43 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 04:43 | * ogra wouldnt have expectad *that* | |
| 04:43 | <ogra> *expected
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| 04:45 | <cyberorg> ogra, try our stuff once when you can set 10.3 in vmware/xen or real machine
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| 04:45 | *get
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| 04:46 | you guys would have log of things to suggest then
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| 04:46 | * cyberorg oO damn typos | |
| 04:52 | <Penberthy> ok while looking over the bootup of the machine it mounts the opt dir
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| 04:52 | but then goes and says server unresponsive
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| 04:52 | the nfs server to be exact
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| 04:54 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, study the server logs, about the nfs things
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| 04:55 | <Penberthy> where are those log files
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| 04:55 | nm
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| 04:56 | <ogra> if you shut down the server, do other machines still get dhcp adresses ?
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| 04:56 | <Penberthy> no
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| 04:56 | <ogra> you tried ?
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| 04:56 | <Penberthy> Sep 4 03:44:59 server mountd[2514]: authenticated mount request from ws252.ltsp:967 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386)
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| 04:57 | <ogra> hmm, that looks fine on first sight
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| 05:04 | <Penberthy> Sep 4 03:57:05 server in.tftpd[11154]: tftp: client does not accept options
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| 05:04 | whats that
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| 05:05 | <ogra> thats a proper tftp connection
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| 05:05 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, you can safely ignore that
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| 05:05 | <Penberthy> right
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| 05:05 | ok
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| 05:05 | so what should I do, I'm running out of ideas
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| 05:06 | <cyberorg> Penberthy, try restarting portmap, nfs, dhcp, empty /tmp/* init 3 and init 5
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| 05:07 | <Penberthy> you want me to delete everything out of tmp
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| 05:10 | <Penberthy> guess I'll try now
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| 05:10 | * ogra totally forgot that the old ltsp used DNS extensively ... might be another potential beraking point | |
| 05:10 | <ogra> *breaking
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| 05:12 | <Penberthy> dont mention that
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| 05:12 | I hate DNS
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| 05:13 | is there a preconfigured new one I can download
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| 05:13 | <ogra> thats fiddly on fedora
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| 05:13 | <Penberthy> I really dont feel like spending hours fixing this or configuring something else
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| 05:14 | <ogra> the core idea of ltsp5 is that the distros implement it using distro packages, that has only happened on (k,ed,x)ubuntu (main development), debian and in a basic version in opensuse
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| 05:14 | redhat/fedora hasnt made ay attempt yet
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| 05:14 | <Penberthy> I dont mind using a different distro of linux
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| 05:14 | just as log as it works
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| 05:15 | <ogra> we have ubuntu and debian tarballs, but setting them up on fedora takes some time and extra work on the server side
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| 05:15 | <Penberthy> and its not MICROSOFT
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| 05:15 | <ogra> then take edubuntu
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| 05:15 | its what k12ltsp was two years ago ... the reference implementation of a default set up ltsp server
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| 05:17 | <Penberthy> so I can run this just like a k12
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| 05:17 | with out a lot of configuring
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| 05:17 | <ogra> right
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| 05:18 | <Penberthy> sounds good
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| 05:18 | downloading now
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| 05:18 | <ogra> if your server has a two NIC setup its set up completely for you, with a single NIC you need to adjust the IP data in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and are done
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| 05:19 | <Penberthy> nope got 2 nics
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| 05:21 | wow its one cd
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| 05:21 | <cyberorg> edubuntu is great for ltsp5, it works out of box, even in vmware :)
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| 05:23 | <Penberthy> well this is my chance to show the president that open source is better than microsoft
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| 05:24 | <ogra> Penberthy, if you want all the edu apps, grab the addon cd as well
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| 05:25 | <Penberthy> I dont need no education apps
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| 05:25 | <ogra> ah, k ... i though you did since you took k12 :)
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| 05:26 | <Penberthy> simple solutions
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| 05:26 | I am the IT guy of a small call center and just tryin to get rid of windows and a faster and more reliable network, sick of getting bugged on my days off
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| 05:28 | <ogra> Penberthy, remove the edubuntu-artwork package after install and install ubuntu-desktop then :) edubuntu is really for kids/schools and the desktop shows that :)
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| 05:28 | <Penberthy> right
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| 05:29 | <Penberthy> I'm just going to be putting our company logo on the background
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| 05:29 | <ogra> (you could also use ubuntu and install ltsp on top with twoi commands and some (not much) more manual work)
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| 05:29 | !ubuntu
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| 05:29 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 05:29 | <ogra> (see the quick install guide)
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| 05:29 | ltsp5 is trivial to set up
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| 05:30 | <Penberthy> and thats why I dont mind the school look
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| 05:30 | <ogra> well, the icons are quite cartoonish and the coloscheme is very colorful :)
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| 05:31 | <Penberthy> see I'm almost know nothing bout linux, mostly just windows. I can set up a windows TS in like less then 5 min
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| 05:31 | but of course so can my girlfriend with a little help
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| 05:32 | <ogra> right, similar for ltsp5 :) two packages to install, one command to run ...
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| 05:32 | <Penberthy> no GUI though
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| 05:32 | <ogra> woprking on it
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| 05:32 | <Penberthy> good to here
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| 05:32 | <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
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| 05:32 | <Penberthy> I'm a straight GUI guy
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| 05:33 | <ogra> and there is the thin-client-manager (installed by default in edubuntu) to control ltsp sessions (lock screen, log out users etc)
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| 05:33 | <Penberthy> well I just need to have login control and web site restrictions
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| 05:34 | when is ltsp man coming out
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| 05:34 | <ogra> its still a mockup ...
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| 05:34 | <Penberthy> oh
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| 05:34 | <ogra> not sure yet if i manage to add some features before the next ubuntu release
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| 05:35 | if so, that would be in october
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| 05:35 | but its more likely you will see it in the april release
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| 05:35 | <Penberthy> right, well in november, we're moving to a bigger call center and I'll be using real thin clients and may have to run a TS
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| 05:35 | <ogra> especially since that one will be a long term support release again
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| 05:39 | did you ever think about using asterisk through thin clients for your callcenter ?
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| 05:40 | we dont have capturing on by default in ltsp, but since the clients use alsa for sound that should be easy to set up
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| 05:45 | <Penberthy> I'm going to be using it for my phone server
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| 05:45 | but using hard phones
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| 05:46 | while I still got you here
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| 05:46 | I have some computers that aren't pc99 standard or a network card without a boot rom
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| 05:47 | <ogra> check out rom-o-matic.net
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| 05:47 | (or .com, not sure)
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| 05:47 | <Penberthy> whats the best and easiest way for diskless boot
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| 05:47 | that site doesnt have the cards that I have
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| 05:47 | <ogra> thats bad thenm
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| 05:47 | <Penberthy> well thats like 6 of my machines that are down
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| 05:47 | <ogra> you can either use PXE or etherboot for netbooting ...
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| 05:48 | <Penberthy> well I still need a HD to network boot
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| 05:48 | <ogra> if you dont get a rom for a non-PXE NIC you cant use etherboot indeed ....
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| 05:48 | <Penberthy> and the best place to get a "preconfigured" etherboot
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| 05:49 | <ogra> rom-o-matic
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| 05:49 | i wouldnt know any other site ... probably the HW manufacturer offers a rom ... no idea
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| 05:49 | <Penberthy> well noting that none of my nics that are in the other machines are not on that list
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| 05:50 | <ogra> but given the price for a PXE capable card, i'd rather buy 6 new NICs than investion manhours
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| 05:50 | <Penberthy> right
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| 05:50 | <ogra> *investing
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| 05:52 | <Penberthy> do you know any place to get them cheap
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| 05:53 | <ogra> ebay ?
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| 05:53 | <Penberthy> lol
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| 05:53 | * ogra usually buys at the discounter next door | |
| 05:53 | <Penberthy> wish we had one
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| 05:53 | Utah sucks for used part stores
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| 05:54 | <ogra> we have one edubuntu dev in reno ...
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| 05:54 | he probably knows places (but isnt around atm i think)
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| 06:55 | <vlt> Hello. I have a client with a nic identified by `lspci` as "00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip commpatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 40)", `lspci -n` returns "1282:9102". I tried etherboot images "davicom9102", "dmfe9102" and "tulip1282:9102" but don't get a DHCP offer. The card works ok with kernel 2.6. Any idea what to try next?
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| 07:06 | <ogra> otavio, !
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| 07:11 | <otavio> ogra: hi :-)
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| 07:11 | ogra: how've been?
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| 07:11 | <ogra> well, so so ...
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| 07:11 | how good are your debconf skills ?
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| 07:12 | i'm looking for some help with the udeb and my head explodes if i try to wrap it around the tons of redirects that are needed for proper progress reporting
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| 07:12 | <otavio> more or less
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| 07:12 | for debootstrap step?
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| 07:13 | <ogra> do you gusy have something different in debian or do you use the plain udeb that does the two step progress ?
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| 07:13 | (the one we have in ubuntu)
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| 07:13 | <otavio> ltsp udeb, i got it
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| 07:13 | i wanna know what step you want to make progress
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| 07:13 | <ogra> ours installs ltsp-server-standalone and jumps to 50%
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| 07:13 | right
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| 07:14 | then it calls ltsp-build-client in /target and if thats done it jumps to 100%
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| 07:14 | thats very ugly and unresponsive
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| 07:14 | <otavio> yes
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| 07:14 | <ogra> what i try to achieve is to pipe the output of ltsp-build-client to a fifo and then raise the progress for every line of output
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| 07:14 | <otavio> you would probably want to change ltsp-build-client to call run-debootstrap that is implemented for bootstrap-base udeb
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| 07:15 | <ogra> ah
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| 07:15 | i tried with the in-target stuff from d-i
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| 07:15 | <otavio> run-debootstrap makes it easy to use
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| 07:15 | <ogra> the prob is that i have a debconf frontend running in d-i ...
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| 07:15 | <otavio> yes
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| 07:15 | <ogra> calling a chrooted subsequent apt-get breaks on this
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| 07:15 | <otavio> but you can see how bootstrap-base does
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| 07:15 | <ogra> will do, tanks a lot for the hint :)
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| 07:16 | <otavio> ogra: if you need any other help, ping me
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| 07:16 | <ogra> will do
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| 07:16 | <otavio> ogra: it's part of base-installer
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| 07:16 | ogra: you can probably make ltsp depends of bootstrap-base and make it use it
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| 07:16 | ogra: so you avoid duplicated code
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| 07:17 | <ogra> well, vagrant is hot on implementing ltsp-chroot at some point :)
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| 07:17 | <otavio> ogra: and ltsp-build-client would need a wrapper to use it instead of debootstrap, directly
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| 07:17 | ltsp-chroot?
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| 07:17 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:17 | something like in-target :)
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| 07:36 | <richguit> ogra: a bit ago you talked about integrated ubuntu ltsp billing
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| 07:37 | <ogra> richguit, nobody has contributed anything for that yet
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| 07:37 | <richguit> where is the starting point?
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| 07:37 | <ogra> thin-client-manager is prepared wit a plugin system for that ... if someone commits a plugin for billing i'll happily include it
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| 07:39 | <BlackDark> hi
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| 07:39 | <BlackDark> question about pulse and feisty
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| 07:40 | <ogra> shoot
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| 07:40 | <BlackDark> to enable the sound for firefox and flashplugin, do I just need to put FIREFOX_DSP="padsp" in the firefoxrc ?
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| 07:40 | <ogra> no
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| 07:40 | see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 07:40 | dont touch firefoxrc
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| 07:40 | <BlackDark> I was on hte point to ask about that howto http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 07:41 | <ogra> dont touch that
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| 07:41 | * ogra will never stop to wonder why people read novell documentation for setting up ubuntu boxes | |
| 07:42 | <BlackDark> :0
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| 07:42 | :)
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| 07:42 | <ogra> feisty sets up everything for you, no need to touch anything but installing libflashsupport to circumvent the flash breakage
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| 07:43 | using these instructions can break your sound
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| 07:45 | <BlackDark> that's i was afraid off
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| 07:45 | so I'd prefer to ask before doing so
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| 07:45 | <ogra> good :)
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| 07:46 | the instructions for edgy of that set are good though ... but the feisty instructions clash with the installed stuff and settings (edgy had no pulse support at all, so there you cant break stuff)
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| 07:46 | <BlackDark> btw, If I want to use skype on the thinclient, do I just need to use dadsp skype ?
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| 07:47 | <ogra> hmm, capturing isnt supported yet out of the box ...
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| 07:47 | <BlackDark> how complicated is to enable it ?
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| 07:50 | <ogra> good question, i havent played with it yet
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| 07:50 | <BlackDark> ok ok
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| 07:51 | in the novell howto, they enabled it, but it looks a bit crappy
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| 07:51 | I haven't tested it
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| 08:11 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:11 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:11 | <sbalneav_> Hmm
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| 08:11 | Trying to connect to my bip proxy at home
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| 08:11 | one sec.
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> There, that's better
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| 08:15 | So, how's ogra today?
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| 08:15 | looking forward to Fix It Friday? :)
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| 08:15 | <dummy> help: i would like to use ltsp and have the dhcp-server on another machine, with ubuntu apt-get ltsp-server (and not ltsp-server-standalone) is it possible and if yes howto?
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| 08:16 | <ogra> sbalneav, sitt poking around in debconf
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> dummy: What kind of machine do you have the dhcpd on? Can you set parameters like root-path, and next-server?
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| 08:17 | <ogra> dummy, configure the dhcpd for netbootig ... point the clients to the ubuntu server
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> k, one sec, let me switch back to gaim.
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| 08:18 | OK, in gaim now.
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| 08:18 | Couldn't figure it out, it was my home firewall that was blocking me from bip :)
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| 08:20 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:30 | <Blinny> I'm planning for sharing /home to multiple locations over T1 connections. Is a TCP NFS the best way to do this? I'm trying to gather all the alternatives to begin doing some research.
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> TCP NFS would probably be one of the simplest
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| 08:39 | keep in mind that a T1's only 1.44 mbps
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| 08:40 | <Blinny> Yeah, we we only have 18 of the 24 to play with
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| 08:41 | So we're 1.158mbps
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| 08:41 | (the rest are voice)
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| 08:41 | I'm am most concerned about stale locks when a user doesn't properly log off
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| 08:43 | Someone out there has to have done LTSP over multiple sites, allowing users to sit at any console at any site & see the same thing.
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| 08:50 | <cyberorg> hi, i am trying to understand nbdswap, $DAEMON ${NBD_HOST[$i]} ${NBD_PORT[$i]} ${NBD_DEVICE[$i]} where do these variables come from?
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> Where are you looking at this? In the initramfs?
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| 08:53 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, it is in /etc/init.d/nbd-client
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| 08:53 | where exactly nbdswap gets mounted?
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> from the initramfs
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| 08:54 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, hmm, ok, where do i look? i have gutsy-ltsp bzr checkout
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> Those defaults would be set in something like /etc/defaults/nbd-server, but we don't use them
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| 08:54 | we start nbd-server from the nbdswapd script, which is run from inetd.
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| 08:54 | so nbd-server's just reading stdin
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| 08:55 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, i created xinetd compatible one from that
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp-nbd
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| 08:56 | xinetd <shudder>
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| 08:56 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, http://tinyurl.com/2zd6zl
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| 08:57 | sbalneav, we have nbdroot working, i thought swap was done when client's init.d/
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> No, it's done fairly early on, in the initramfs, that way, if a clients got low ram, we can get swap going quickly
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| 08:58 | before we're too long into the boot process.
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| 08:58 | <cyberorg> ok,so i need to ask kiwi devel to get that for us :)
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| 09:00 | <cyberorg> i was looking at client side scripts, do server side ones look OK?
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> Seem to be, from a quick glance
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| 09:00 | <cliebow> hoy! anyone around??
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| 09:00 | <cyberorg> just path change, they are same as gutsy
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| 09:00 | hi cliebow :)
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| 09:01 | <cliebow> Hi!!
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> hey cliebow
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| 09:10 | <pablo-uy-mvd> hi! how do setup autologin for my terminals? (ubuntu 7.04 and ltsp5)
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> pablo-uy-mvd: Which version of LTSP are you running?
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| 09:14 | <ogra> wheeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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| 09:14 | seems i got it !
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| 09:14 | <pablo-uy-mvd> sbalneav: ltsp5
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| 09:16 | <Blinny> Horray!
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> pablo-uy-mvd: What are you using for the server? Ubuntu?
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| 09:17 | <ogra> sbalneav, <pablo-uy-mvd> hi! how do setup autologin for my terminals? (ubuntu 7.04 and ltsp5) ;)
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| 09:17 | he wants your ldm hack :)
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> ok, you'll need a patched ldm
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| 09:17 | !ldm
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| 09:17 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> Then, on a per workstation level, you can set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
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| 09:18 | <ogra> you should update that with info about autologin :)
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 09:18 | ogra: you gonna be able to do a merge from my gutsy tree, and ltspfs-upstream, and push packages before Friday?
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| 09:19 | <ogra> sbalneav, i have to :)
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| 09:19 | * ogra dances around debconf ... | |
| 09:19 | <ogra> got it working :)))))
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| 09:20 | <ogra> full and proper progress reporting for the installer ... and ltsp-build-client and image compressing separated in two different progress windows ...
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| 09:27 | <pablo-uy-mvd> sbalneav: ok ive downloaded ldm patch from alburg.net/ldm but...where do i put that script? where do i set LDM_USERNAME LDM_PASSWORD?
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| 09:27 | ldm is a login manager like gdm?
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> yup
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| 09:30 | you'd back up the old /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm, and then put the new one there. Make sure to mark it executable with chmod 755 ldm. Then, add the statements to your lts.conf file.
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| 09:30 | so, specify workstations by mac:
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| 09:30 | [00:11:22:33:44:55]
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| 09:30 | LDM_USERNAME=station1
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| 09:30 | LDM_PASSWORD=foo
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| 09:31 | [00:11:22:33:44:66]
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| 09:31 | LDM_USERNAME=station2
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| 09:31 | LDM_PASSWORD=goop
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| 09:31 | etc.
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| 09:32 | <pablo-uy-mvd> sbalneav: ok great! but.. how do i tell X not to use gdm anymore and start using ldm ive just downloaed? remember im actually using gdm not ldm
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| 09:38 | <ogra> you shouldnt use gdm anyway :)
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| 09:38 | ltsp5 will default to ldm if you dont set SCREEN_xx in lts.conf
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| 09:39 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: ok thanks!
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> ogra: I licked that ssh+pam_mount problem yesterday. :) a bit hackish as usual, but seems to work :)
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| 09:45 | <ogra> nice
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| 09:45 | with pam_mount actually ?
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| 09:46 | or did you work around that ?
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> with pam_mount
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| 09:46 | <ogra> nice
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 09:46 | thats one tricky module to get right
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| 09:46 | and even then, I had to do some sudo trickery
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| 10:10 | <ogra> vagrantc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston will you come ?
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| 10:13 | vagrantc, btw, solved my debconf probs :) i was digging way to deep for a solition ... the fix needs to go to 010-debconf-frontend :)
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| 10:13 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh.
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| 10:13 | ogra: i will come if i can
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| 10:13 | <ogra> noninteractive is simply the wrong frontend
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| 10:14 | then put yourself on the atendees list ...
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| 10:14 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: ive comenented my SCREEN_xx lines in lts.conf and now my termianls do not show anything afetr boot (no x)
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| 10:14 | it seems its not trying to use ldm
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| 10:14 | <ogra> but you are sure you use ltsp5 ?
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| 10:14 | how did you install it ?
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| 10:14 | <pablo-uy-mvd> yep it was configured to use gdm
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| 10:15 | i dont remember now but i think i used the quick ubuntu guide install
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| 10:16 | is tehre any other config setting i should look at to make ltsp use ldm?
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| 10:16 | <ogra> can you throw your lts.conf to the pastebin ?
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| 10:16 | !pastebot
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| 10:16 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:18 | <ogra> vagrantc, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36447/ we need to use passthrough all over ... then it works fine
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| 10:18 | even the chrooted apt-get just picks it up
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| 10:23 | <ltsppbot> "pablo_uy_mvd" pasted "lts.conf" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/302
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| 10:23 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: ive pasted my lts.conf
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| 10:24 | <ogra> X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/psaxu" is wrong :)
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| 10:24 | (ps mice are autodetected anyway, no need to set either of the mouse options)
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| 10:25 | you deleted the default section it seems ...
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| 10:25 | the four bottom lines should go in it
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| 10:25 | <mhterres> hi
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| 10:26 | hey sbalneav
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> /bip help
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: passthrough works for installs outside of the udeb as well ?
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| 10:27 | ogra: passthrough appears to be undocumented in the manpages ... :(
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| 10:28 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: sorry the deault section is there its missing in my paste :( but everithing else in the file is what ive pasted
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| 10:28 | <ogra> vagrantc, yup, it behaves like noninteractive
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| 10:28 | <ltsppbot> "pablo_uy_mvd" pasted "lts.conf" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/303
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| 10:29 | <pablo-uy-mvd> now ive pasted it complete :)
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| 10:29 | <ogra> yup, i see
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| 10:29 | move the bottom lines up
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| 10:29 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ok
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| 10:29 | <ogra> apart from that i dont see why you wouldnt se ldm
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| 10:29 | *see
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> is ldm installed ?
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| 10:30 | dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
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| 10:30 | <ogra> if he followed the quick install guide in ubuntu it must be
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| 10:31 | <vagrantc> in theory, he wouldn't even be asking why ldm isn't working.
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| 10:31 | it's a trivial thing to check ...
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| 10:31 | <ogra> in feisty its hardcodedd in LATE_PACKAGES
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| 10:32 | no way around getting it :)
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| 10:32 | err
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| 10:32 | *EARLY_
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| 10:34 | <cliebow> ive got a weird one.. anyone else come across a network issue where xdmcp doesnt show a login screen on a few machines among a bunch of identical ones (only gray with x)
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> cliebow: sounds like you maxed the number of greeters
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| 10:36 | <cliebow> this is using kdm in 4.2
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| 10:36 | <ogra> yeah, there is a setting for that in gdm.conf
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| 10:36 | oh
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| 10:36 | well, kdm.conf then ?
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| 10:36 | * ogra is clueless about kde :) | |
| 10:36 | <Gadi> kdmrc
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| 10:37 | <ogra> i'm so ignorant :P
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| 10:37 | <cliebow> i think that isa why i ended up in kdm..that greeters thing long ago
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| 10:37 | * Gadi revels at the few opportunities to know something ogra does not | |
| 10:37 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:38 | <cliebow> no way to see that in a log anywhere?
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> ps -ale|grep kdm
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> or some such
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> /bip help
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| 10:39 | <cliebow> trhe weird thing is all over the building ltsp works fine..except the 208 lab
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| 10:39 | <pablo-uy-mvd> i did apt-get install ldm
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| 10:40 | <cliebow> so it cant be greeter
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| 10:40 | <pablo-uy-mvd> and apt downloaded it and installed ldm
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| 10:40 | <cliebow> a gig uplink to it
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| 10:40 | (the 208 lab)
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| 10:40 | <ogra> pablo-uy-mvd, in the chroot ? (dont install ldm on a normal system !)
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> !greyscreen
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| 10:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 10:47 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: ups ... how do i install ldm in the chroot?
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| 10:47 | ogra: terminals say "syntax error line 10 of lts.conf" is the line where i put the mac
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| 10:47 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ldm
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| 10:48 | remove the spaces before the bracket
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| 11:09 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: ive removed spaces but termianls still complain about syntax in line 10 of ltsconf
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| 11:10 | <ogra> weird
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| 11:10 | you got a non empty default section now ?
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| 11:11 | <ltsppbot> "pablo_uy_mvd" pasted "lts.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/304
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| 11:11 | <ogra> sigh
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| 11:11 | please move the four lines from the bottom under default
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| 11:11 | you cant have an empty default section
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| 11:13 | and drop X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/psaxu"
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| 11:13 | as well as X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL="PS/2"
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| 11:13 | they are defaults and only slow down your boot
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| 11:13 | (and there is no /dev/psaxu either)
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> also XKBLAYOUT
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| 11:14 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> all caps
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| 11:14 | <ogra> that shouldnt matter as much as the missing y :)
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm pretty sure it's case sensitive
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| 11:15 | hmmm... though i haven't tried, i guess
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| 11:15 | <ogra> but a missing letter is worse :=
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| 11:15 | :)
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| 11:15 | in any case
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> not any worse, neither will work :P
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| 11:16 | <ogra> pablo-uy-mvd, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36451/
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> i stand corrected.
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| 11:16 | <ogra> with the unused stuff removed and with proper syntax
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> getltscfg is case-insensitive
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| 11:17 | <ogra> i thought i heard something like that
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| 11:17 | but i never tested
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| 11:17 | * vagrantc just tested | |
| 11:17 | <lns> mmm...fresh toasted xchat
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| 11:18 | * vagrantc prefers typing in lowercase | |
| 11:18 | <ogra> lns, smells a bit like hot plastic
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| 11:32 | <ltsppbot> "pablo_uy_mvd" pasted "lts.conf" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/305
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| 11:32 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: now terminals dont conplain about syntax but. still no x
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| 11:33 | also no greyscreen only.. a deep ..black
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| 11:36 | <ogra> which release is that ?
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| 11:37 | feisty ?
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| 11:37 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: 7.04
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| 11:37 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:37 | hmm
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> perhaps its a slow thin client
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| 11:38 | try waiting :P
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| 11:38 | <ogra> does draco7 exist on the server
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| 11:38 | and does he use draco7 as PW as well ?
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| 11:39 | comment out the LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD lines and see if ldm comes up then
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| 11:40 | i dont think its supposed to show anything if its on autologin
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> is he using my ldm mod?
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| 11:43 | the python one?
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| 11:43 | <ogra> seems like
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> then, yeah, if LDM_USERNAME is set, it bypasses the greeter
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| 11:43 | <ogra> in any case he should first make sure it works with the default setup before putting in hacks ;)
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| 11:44 | thats what i'm trying to achieve atm to have a base
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> thats Rule #1 of the Hacking Guide Book
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| 11:44 | ;)
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| 11:44 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> Rule #2 is "If it aint broke, try harder"
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| 11:50 | <pablo-uy-mvd> ogra: user draco 7 exists on the server and has a password . i removed LDM_USERNAME and PS but ldm doesnt show
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| 11:51 | <ogra> set SCREEN_07=ldm in the default section and see if its shows up then ... else something is really really broken
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| 11:51 | <pablo-uy-mvd> Gadi: im using the pthyton one
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> pablo-uy-mvd: on the server, try: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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| 11:52 | perhaps you simply need to chmod 755
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| 11:52 | <ogra> heh, roght
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| 11:52 | right
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| 11:52 | he copied scotties binary
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| 11:52 | after downloading it :)
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| 11:52 | indeed
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| 11:52 | * ogra slas forehead | |
| 11:53 | <ogra> *slaps as well
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| 11:53 | <pablo-uy-mvd> root@labs-lts-pasillo:~# ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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| 11:53 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10130 2007-09-05 11:33 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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| 11:53 | <ogra> Gadi, btw, will we see you at UDS ?
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> ogra: already added myself to the Attendees page
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| 11:53 | :D
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| 11:53 | <ogra> ah, i didnt look :)
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| 11:54 | * Gadi looks forward | |
| 11:54 | * ogra too | |
| 11:54 | <Gadi> we should organize a tour of the Sam Adams plant
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| 11:54 | er, brewery
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| 11:54 | :)
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| 11:54 | during Oktoberfest, no less!
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| 11:55 | what a great time to be in Boston
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| 11:55 | <ogra> ++
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| 11:55 | * ogra loves sam adams | |
| 11:55 | <Gadi> our relationship is purely platonic
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| 11:57 | <lns> dude
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| 11:57 | sam adams! I have 4 of their seasonal beers in my entertainment center
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| 11:57 | <3
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| 11:57 | * vagrantc audits the entire codebase for dash/bash inconsistancies with the echo builtin | |
| 11:59 | <ogra> just default to dash
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> defaulting to dash only works around the problem
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| 11:59 | <ogra> why making it harder than it needs to be ?
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> unless we use #!/bin/dash
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| 11:59 | <ogra> nah, indeed we wont
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| 12:00 | <vagrantc> then defaulting to dash merely hides the problem
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| 12:00 | <ogra> well, using bash is the worst shell you can pick for the purpose
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> i don't disagree
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| 12:01 | never-the-less, it is not an uncommon thing for /bin/sh to point to bash, and if we use #!/bin/sh we need to handle that properly.
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> ah, but those lovely bashisms...
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| 12:01 | <ogra> yummy
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| 12:02 | <ogra> well, not sure echo -e is even near POSIX
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| 12:02 | or backslashed control chars
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> yes, i think
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| 12:03 | "echo -e" is a bash-ism
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| 12:03 | <ogra> right
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> as a builtin
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| 12:03 | /bin/echo behaves like bash
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| 12:03 | <ogra> hrm
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| 12:04 | * ogra doesnt like the path in there ... | |
| 12:04 | <vagrantc> i *think* the only case where there's a problem is with "echo -e"
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| 12:05 | unless there's a shell that doesn't have an echo builtin
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| 12:05 | that's allegedly /bin/sh compatible
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| 12:05 | if you want to start talking POSIX, dash isn't even compliant, though :P
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| 12:07 | <ogra> woah, ion3 moved to a nonfree license ?
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 12:07 | <ogra> how evil
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> i've been looking for an alternative since february, since upstream is crazy
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| 12:07 | * ogra just noticed it was dumped into multiverse in ubuntu | |
| 12:08 | <cyberorg> hi "# try to get swap from the server if we dont have enough ram (less than 48M)" so does that mean swap is not required for RAM > 48 MB?
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| 12:08 | <ogra> cyberorg, swap isnt needed with > 64M
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> unless you have insanely high resolution and color depth
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| 12:09 | <ogra> but the system wont boot with less than 48M if you dont have swap in initramfs already
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| 12:09 | <cyberorg> ogra, does swap give better performance even with more ram?
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| 12:09 | <ogra> 48M is the magical threshold for the ubuntu kernel
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| 12:09 | swap drags down your performance
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| 12:09 | better to have enough ram
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| 12:10 | but its a workaround to not loose data (if the client runs out of mem it will hardlock)
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| 12:10 | this 48M will totally differ by distro
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> sutula: i am clueless with your XKBLAYOUT problem
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| 12:10 | <cyberorg> it won't help if client started off with more than threshold ram
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| 12:10 | <ogra> debian might boot with 36, who knows
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| 12:11 | cyberorg, thats all abut booting
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| 12:11 | <cyberorg> yeah, so if client ran out of ram later, swap will not be available any way
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| 12:12 | let me check how much memory is used here
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| 12:12 | <ogra> its an automatic swap function to make the thing boot at all, vs the manual NBD_SWAP from lts.conf
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| 12:13 | you can add more swap via ts.conf
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| 12:13 | *lts.conf
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| 12:16 | <cyberorg> http://pastebin.ca/raw/682603 how does it look?
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| 12:16 | so swap from lts.conf is different and mounted after initrd is done?
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| 12:17 | <ogra> swap from initramfs presists
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| 12:17 | *persists
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| 12:17 | and other swap is added up
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| 12:17 | <cyberorg> it is not another mount?
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| 12:18 | <ogra> its another nbd device and a separae swapon command
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| 12:18 | *separate
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| 12:18 | nbd0 is the rood fs
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| 12:18 | nbd1 is (if needed ) boot swap
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| 12:18 | nbd2 (if nbd1 is used) will be for another swap then
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| 12:19 | the kernel doesnt care if it has 100 swap partitions or one fro the overall amount of swap
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| 12:19 | it just adds up
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| 12:19 | <cyberorg> yeah
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| 12:19 | <ogra> if you create the swapfiles in a ramfs on the server it starts to get intresting ;)
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| 12:20 | <cyberorg> so it is not necessary to have swap at all if the thin clients are 64MB, even with the usage you see on pastebin?
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| 12:20 | <ogra> since the you have prtty fast access so swapping starts to become a work option instead oif a rescue option
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| 12:20 | right
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| 12:21 | minimal stuff we need or booting in ubuntu is 48M .... recommended minimal is 64M, recommended standard is 128M
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| 12:21 | <cyberorg> i feel relieved, we can work on this later then, if there are some exotic hardware with less than 64 MB ram :)
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| 12:21 | <ogra> there is a lot of ths HW
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| 12:21 | sadly
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| 12:21 | thats why i added that swap thing
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| 12:22 | there are many 32M clients in the world
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| 12:23 | <cyberorg> would the memory usage increase once client is logged in?
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| 12:23 | <Lumiere> ogra: can't you detect that
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| 12:23 | and fall back to something like fvwm
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| 12:23 | that doesn't eat the memory so hard
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| 12:24 | <ogra> Lumiere, for booting ?
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| 12:26 | <Lumiere> ogra: booting linux takes 48M now?
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| 12:26 | <ogra> with initramfs udev etc, yes
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| 12:27 | well, 36M
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| 12:27 | <Lumiere> ah
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| 12:27 | <ogra> but depending on the amount of shared video ram that varies indeed
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| 12:27 | you ave to add that up
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| 12:27 | *have
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| 12:27 | <lns> ogra, does video swap go over nfs if lts.conf has nfsswap=true?
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| 12:28 | <ogra> there is no nfsswap in ltsp5
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| 12:28 | <lns> i saw that as default yesterday in ubuntu
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| 12:28 | <ogra> NBD_SWAP is what we use
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| 12:28 | <lns> oh.. lts.conf has the option there in feisty
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| 12:28 | sorry, yeah nbd_swap
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| 12:28 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:28 | <lns> =)
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| 12:28 | <ogra> no, thevide ram has to come from the HW
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| 12:29 | *the video ram
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| 12:29 | <lns> so is it just an obsolete option in lts.conf?
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| 12:29 | <ogra> ?
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| 12:29 | <lns> lemme paste it.. i just installed ubuntu feisty server+ltsp yesterday
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| 12:29 | <ogra> NBD_SWAP adds a networked system swap partition
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| 12:29 | <lns> right
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| 12:29 | <ogra> but that wont help the video ram in any way
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| 12:30 | <lns> ok maybe i'm misunderstanding then.. if the client is >64mb, do we need NBD_SWAP at all?
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| 12:30 | <ogra> no
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| 12:30 | <lns> or would it be beneficial to disable it
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| 12:30 | ok
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| 12:30 | <ogra> it doesnt do harm
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| 12:30 | <lns> oh, ok
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| 12:31 | just kinda overflow then?
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| 12:31 | <ogra> its a nice safety net if your users suddenly have FF open with 200 tabs full of graphics and animations :)
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| 12:31 | but for normal operation you are fine with 64M without swap
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| 12:31 | <lns> gotcha. I'll re-enable it then. =p elementary school students are fun to test things on
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| 12:34 | <cyberorg> hmm, i am almost done implementing nbdswap
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| 12:35 | does this look OK? http://pastebin.ca/682637
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| 12:38 | <ogra> looks good
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| 12:38 | dont forget you need the server side as well :)
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| 12:39 | <cyberorg> ogra, http://tinyurl.com/2zd6zl
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| 12:39 | there is nbdswapd and xinet.d config for that
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| 12:39 | <ogra> oh, it works right away ?
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| 12:40 | thats great
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| 12:40 | <cyberorg> ogra, donno :(
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| 12:40 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 12:40 | <cyberorg> those are gutsy files, just modified path and mktemp instead of tempfile command you have
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| 12:41 | and inetd config ported to use xinetd
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| 12:41 | <ogra> well, i see no reason why it shouldnt work
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| 12:41 | <cyberorg> i've just got my laptop as a client to test, so donno if it will work
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| 12:41 | <ogra> add MEM=32M to your pxe config to test it ;)
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| 12:42 | <cyberorg> yeah, that is one way, i'll borrow someone's hardware, that is another :)
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| 12:42 | or vmware with 32 mb ram?
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| 12:42 | <ogra> well, the MEM option is faster ;)
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| 12:42 | should work as well, yes
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| 12:42 | <cyberorg> cool
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| 12:45 | i am amazed at the kind of development copy/paste method can do without any real development knowledge
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| 12:45 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:45 | thats a way to learn it :)
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| 12:45 | the more you copy together the more you understand
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| 12:45 | simply because you still need to put the glue in place
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| 12:46 | so you need to roughly understand whats going on
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| 12:49 | <cyberorg> irc rocks ;)
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| 12:49 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:51 | <cyberorg> but i am mad that you guys didn't make it even easier :D
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| 12:51 | <ogra> we try to keep it easily adaptable
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| 12:51 | <cyberorg> may be i should document step by step what is required
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| 12:52 | <ogra> so that the code doesnt get to distro specific
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| 12:52 | that makes it more complicated indeed
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| 12:52 | <cyberorg> i'll do a how to later
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| 12:52 | <ogra> the first build script we had was 100 lines of monolithic shellscript :)
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| 12:52 | and 50 for the ltsp-client initscript or so
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| 12:53 | <cyberorg> ogra, we have to work on Xsession path change according to suse, so we'll be sending that patch soon
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| 12:53 | for LDM2
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| 12:53 | <ogra> you just see the results of two years with growing several heads :)
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| 12:53 | <cyberorg> it is in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession
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| 12:53 | <ogra> we should make that configurable in an ldm.conf at some point
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| 12:54 | then every distro can just ship its own config file
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| 12:54 | redhat does have the sme path afaik
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| 12:54 | *same
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| 12:54 | <cyberorg> ogra, if it is transparent it is better, no configuration options for something that can be autodetected
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| 12:55 | <ogra> but you cant autodetect it
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| 12:55 | well, you roughly can via ldminfod
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| 12:55 | we could add something like that
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| 12:55 | <cyberorg> ogra, we can detect lsb release
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| 12:55 | <ogra> thats what i just thought :)
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| 12:55 | <cyberorg> and have function that does some ifs
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| 12:55 | <ogra> even though that might be a security issue
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| 12:56 | <cyberorg> how?
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| 12:56 | <ogra> ldminfod is pretty open ... thats ok as long as you cant access any sensible info
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| 12:56 | <cyberorg> why didnt you guys use snmp?
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| 12:56 | <ogra> i.e. if you connect to it, it will drop out the return of locales -a and the list of available session
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| 12:57 | and close the session immediately
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| 12:57 | because that opens an extra port
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| 12:57 | and froces you to maintain extra configuration
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| 12:57 | <cyberorg> ldminfod doesn?
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| 12:57 | <ogra> feel free to use it in suse :)
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| 12:57 | it does, but its totally restricted
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| 12:58 | <cyberorg> nope, not thinking about using it :) it would be way above my head
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| 12:58 | <ogra> and its a 20 line script ...
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| 12:58 | compared to a snmp setup ...
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| 12:58 | <cyberorg> that i may be able to understand ;)
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| 12:59 | <sutula> ogra: Do you know what part of the world (timezone) vagrantc is in?
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| 12:59 | <ogra> we should just dump a default session parameter int ldminfod
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| 12:59 | sutula, US west coast
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| 12:59 | <sutula> ogra: thanks
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| 13:00 | <ogra> and ldminfod should iterate over the known defaul locations for a default session
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| 13:00 | and return the first one it finds
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| 13:00 | thats better than telling hackers what OS and version you run ;)
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| 13:02 | <cyberorg> i guess,ltsp runs in secure intranet, so hackers are outside the corporate/school firewalls
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| 13:02 | <ogra> lol
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| 13:03 | students are the heviest hackers
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| 13:03 | *heaviest
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| 13:03 | imagine having on screen exams in a thin client classroom
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| 13:04 | and use XDMCP there ... and have someone roughly knowing something about X redirecting from an article he read last week :)
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| 13:04 | he'll open Xnest and attch to the client of his neighbor :P
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| 13:05 | or capture keystrokes and screenshots from the netwrok traffic :)
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| 13:05 | <cyberorg> lol, yeah, in most training session a lot of pranks can be played
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| 13:05 | <ogra> with the capturing tool his linux buddy wrote for him
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| 13:06 | the *most* hackers you will meet are in your LAN ... not the script kiddies out there that bump stolen viruses around :)
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| 13:08 | <cyberorg> even with ltsp5 using ssh it is possible to these kinds of things?
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| 13:08 | <ogra> no
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| 13:09 | thats been the main reason to start ldm :)
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| 13:09 | it is possible with the LDM_DIRECTX option now though ...
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| 13:09 | but at least your password goes over the net encrypted with that
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| 13:10 | if you want full security, dont use LDM_DIRECTX :)
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| 13:10 | <klausade> ogra: on what kind of hardware would you say it's necessary to use LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 13:10 | <ogra> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200110.html?id=WBir4DH8
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| 13:10 | definately
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| 13:11 | its a matter of cpu power ... with > 300MHz you should be fine for encrypted ssh
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| 13:13 | <klausade> 400MHz with 64MB ram, shouldn't need LDM_DIRECTX? or would I notice any speed gain using LDM_DIRECTX on that machine?
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| 13:13 | <ogra> not for normal operations i guess
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| 13:13 | if you want to use mplayer and the like LDM_DIRECTX is a must
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| 13:14 | many fast moving pics ...
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| 13:15 | anyway, 10h of work is enough ...
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| 13:16 | * ogra calls it a day | |
| 13:17 | <cyberorg> i gotta go too, thanks ogra :)
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| 13:17 | <ogra> ciao
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| 13:17 | <cyberorg> 'night
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| 13:54 | <lns> Any chance session 'metacity' is removed in gutsy? Seems fairly pointless to have it there.
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| 13:54 | (ldm)
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> lns: ldm grabs its sessions from the server
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| 14:02 | so, its only there because your server has a metacity session available
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| 14:02 | <lns> oooh ok! =)
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| 14:02 | thanks!
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, you moved ldm from /usr/sbin to /usr/bin ... ?
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> Yeah
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| 14:05 | Since it's compiled, it shouldn't be in /usr/sbin
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> Have I got an absolute path somewhere?
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| 14:05 | Well, it's not statically linked.
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> client/ltsp_config
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| 14:06 | that's not sbin
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> Well, that's an included file
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> /usr/sbin : Non-essential standard system binaries
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> Really?
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 14:07 | that's why it's in root's path, but not your average user's path
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> Man I must be old, used to be that anything in sbin or /usr/sbin was supposed to be statically linked.
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> at any rate, it'll cause the default SCREEN_07 to be startx instead of ldm
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| 14:08 | well, according to the FHS, got nothin to do with that anymore
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> heh, one of these days, I should sit down and read the LFS
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| 14:08 | err, fhs
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> heh, yeah, I keep relying on my 20+ year old knowldege, which does me dirt sometimes.
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> at least, when moving files around based on where they should go
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll change the install file back
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| 14:09 | wait
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| 14:09 | did I change the binary, or the screen script?
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: as far as i could tell, all you changed was where it gets installed
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> right, in ldm.install.
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> revision 457
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> Pushin'
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| 14:11 | man, that's gonna be tough to get used to. :)
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> what?
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> it not being statically linked.
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| 14:12 | 20 year habit to break :)
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| 14:12 | 20+!
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| 14:12 | Got my first Unix account back in 1985!!
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| 14:12 | It was on a Vax!
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> i thought vax wasn't unix
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> With a REAL vt100 terminal! :)
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| 14:13 | Vax's could run either Unix or VMS
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> ah, got it
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> so, i tried NBD+squashfs with no luck
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> ok, pushed back up
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| 14:15 | sorry for that.
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> (without the unionfs)
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| 14:15 | <sbalneav> No?
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| 14:15 | What didn't work?
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> so it still could be squashfs that's buggy
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| 14:15 | sbalneav: hung after starting init
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| 14:15 | or it could be NBD
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> Hmm, well, Wouter's a DD, so I'd expect that nbd should work good in Debian.
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> with nbd+squashfs+unionfs it would hang somewhere early in the boot process, though not always the same place.
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| 14:16 | yeah, i talked with wouter a bunch at debconf7
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> Wonder if you could do a quick bit of hackery, and make an ext2fs rather than a squash, share that out.
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| 14:16 | That would isolate the problem.
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yeah, that was the next step to try ...
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> brb, workping...
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: oh, "-C /dev/null" doesn't work on debian
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| 14:17 | for nbdrootd and nbdswapd
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| 14:18 | i don't think the option even exists on debian's nbd
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| 14:26 | <lns> REALLY stupid question...Where are ldm sessions stored? Aren't they in /etc/X11/Xsession.d ?
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| 14:29 | <sbalneav> back
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| 14:30 | vagrantc: what version of nbd's in Debian?
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| 14:30 | lns: You mean, the session that it starts up?
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| 14:31 | <lns> sbalneav, no, the list of sessions - i want to take metacity out as an option in ldm
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> it gets that information from ldminfod
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| 14:31 | You'd have to modify it.
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| 14:31 | <lns> oh
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> lns: update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
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| 14:33 | <lns> Gadi, awesome. ;) thank you
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> np
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> yeah, you only want probably x-session-manager.
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> or just remove it
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| 14:34 | with update-alternatives
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| 14:34 | <lns> yea...metacity just gives me a blank screen. I'm sure the students will eventually try it out =p
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> Uh, you wouldn't want to remove metacity
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> unless, well that might be bad
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| 14:34 | :)
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> that would make gnome be bad.
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> yeah, best to edit: /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 14:34 | <lns> directly? ok
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> and remove x-window-manager from the for list
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| 14:34 | its python
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| 14:35 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 14:35 | Hmmm, how could we make that better, I wonder.
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| 14:35 | <lns> now if i can just get my ssh session to the district to behave for more than 2 min
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> sbalneav: was that just to get icewm?
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| 14:35 | <sbalneav> I mean, you want window managers to list, so that something like icewm will list
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| 14:35 | right.
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| 14:35 | I'm wondering if we could set a blacklist
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> nah
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> do don't include things like metacity that are clearly part of gnome
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> I would just have the user add icewm as an alternative for x-session-manager
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| 14:36 | that would be the 'proper way'
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| 14:36 | ;)
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> Problem is, you'd have to change a lot of packages that way.
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> or just make it a manual step for the sessions that dont
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> I'm sure things like twm, windowmaker, enlightenment, etc, all list under "window" instead of "session"
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| 14:37 | <lns> i would think that if the admin is smart enough to want a different wm they could figure it out, but to have metacity in there by default is just looking for trouble
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> I'd tend more towards a blacklist.
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| 14:38 | exclude metacity and kwin
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> and beryl
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> ...
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| 14:39 | but, with a blacklist, you have to anticipate a whole lot
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| 14:40 | if something should be managed as a session, it should be added to x-session-manager
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| 14:40 | imho
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| 14:41 | <sbalneav> Problem is, icewm ISNT a session manager: you can't save a session. It's a pure window manager.
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| 14:41 | either way, you'd have problems.
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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| 14:41 | /usr/bin/icewm-session
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| 14:41 | /usr/bin/gnome-session
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| 14:41 | seems it is on my machine
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> well, or at least it can be
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| 14:42 | if you use icewm-session
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> Yeah, but did you add icewm-session yourself?
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> nope
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> Or does that ship with icewm?
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> I think it ships with icewm-session
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| 14:42 | * Gadi checks | |
| 14:43 | <sbalneav> hm, yep, comes with icewm
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> beat me to it
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| 14:44 | <sbalneav> Actually, ogra wanted better mappings between names and sessions anyway.
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: 2.8.7-4 in etch/stable, 2.8.7-5 in lenny/testing, 2.9.6-2 in sid/unstable
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> You shouldn't be selecting "/usr/bin/gnome-session", you should select "Gnome Desktop" or "KDE desktop", etc.
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i've only tested with the verison in lenny
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: ah, I think Wouter came up with the new, funkified config file in the 2.9 series.
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| 14:47 | So, that raises an interesting question: how do you detect between a version that NEEDS a command line option, and one that doesnt.
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| 14:47 | if nbd-client -C /dev/null; then
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| 14:47 | nbd-client oldway
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| 14:47 | fi?
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| 14:47 | sorry s/client/server
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: we could simply include a configuration file in the newer versions
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| 14:49 | sbalneav: and if you're running on an older version, the admin could simply comment out those options
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> That'd work.
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> In the package, could we do something sneaky like check the version, and then create the config file appropriately? Or is that a packaging nono?
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> a little ugly ..
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> ver = dpkg -l | grep nbd | cut whatever
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| 14:50 | if ver = blah
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| 14:50 | options = foo
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| 14:50 | else
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| 14:50 | etc.
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> i'd rather avoid that ...
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> sbalneav:
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| 14:50 | ls /usr/share/xsessions/
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| 14:50 | gnome.desktop IceWM.desktop matchbox.desktop
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> does seem ugly
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> we can just grab the .dekstop files
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| 14:51 | and use those to get the friendly names
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> hmmm
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> as well as the sessions
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| 14:51 | <sbalneav> that'd work.
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> SessionDesktopDir=/etc/X11/sessions/:/etc/dm/Sessions/:/usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSes
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| 14:51 | sions/:/usr/share/xsessions/
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| 14:51 | according to gdm.conf
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| 14:51 | those are the dirs it looks in
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> yeah, use name and exect.
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| 14:53 | s/t.$/./
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> right - and you've got the localization already there
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> that'd be doable.
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| 14:53 | nice.
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| 14:54 | brb
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| 15:01 | <sutula> vagrantc: RE your comment earlier, "<vagrantc> [11:06] sutula: i am clueless with your XKBLAYOUT problem", I'm off to another meeting but will try to find you maybe tomorrow
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| 15:39 | <jammcq> ogra: ping
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| 16:07 | <dniel> hi. I am running the ltsp-build-client in Debian Lenny and it take a lot of time. It is normal?
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| 16:08 | It is ltsp 5
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| 16:08 | fernando150: hablas español?
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| 16:09 | alguien habla español?
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| 16:18 | <jammcq> ogra: ping
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| 16:19 | <dniel> jakobsg: hi. I am running the ltsp-build-client in Debian Lenny and it take a lot of time. It is normal?
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| 16:19 | <jammcq> dniel: yes, I think it could take a very long time
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| 16:19 | does it look like it's really doing something?
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| 16:20 | <dniel> jakobsg: yes
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| 16:20 | <jammcq> it has to build a whole system inside a subdirectory
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| 16:20 | and it downloads the .deb packages to do that
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| 16:20 | so it can take a while, especially if you have a slow internet connection
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| 16:21 | <dniel> jammcq: yes. Retriving and validating
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| 16:21 | jammcq: ok! thank!
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| 16:22 | jammcq: ltsp-5 does work in linux debian lenny?
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| 16:22 | <jammcq> umm, I think so. vagrantc is the guy you need to talk to. he wrote it
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| 16:22 | <dniel> jammcq: okey. Thanks!
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| 16:24 | vagrantc: hello, Are you here?
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| 17:03 | <Gadi> sbalneav: ping
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| 18:49 | <lns> Man, have I got a list for YOU guys. ;)
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| 18:50 | well...maybe not for you, but for me
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| 18:50 | ha
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| 18:51 | it sure seems that adobe has a stronghold over linux because of flash/shockwave
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| 18:51 | installing ff32 on a 64-bit server, serving 32-bit clients brings up an issue of not seeing any gnome printers
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| 18:51 | with no known solution
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| 18:53 | <sbalneav> I just install gnash
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| 18:54 | <lns> anyone and everyone who wants to sign a petition for adobe to release a linux version of shockwave (pre-flash plugin) should go to http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/ and sign the online petition
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| 18:54 | sbalneav, i tried that...it seems very buggy
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| 18:54 | at least a few months ago
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| 18:54 | <sbalneav> Improving all the time.
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| 18:54 | <lns> hmm
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| 18:54 | i'll try ti
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| 18:54 | it
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| 18:55 | does it do shockwave itself? or just flash
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| 18:55 | <sbalneav> Just flash
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| 18:55 | <lns> oh
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| 18:55 | <sbalneav> I've never needed shockwave.
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| 18:55 | <lns> haha..me neither
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| 18:55 | but the district has this big website (all flash/shockwave enabled) and a lot of their study programs use shockwave
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| 18:56 | i'm having enough trouble getting flash sound over ltsp without having to deal with this too =p
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| 18:56 | somehow I don't think a lot of the people at the school really understood what thin clients were before they said yes to me converting them all to it ;)
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| 18:57 | <sbalneav> So, if they let you do this, change all the study programs to moodle.
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| 18:57 | that'll solve the problem.
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| 18:59 | <lns> moodle looks great, but i doubt they'd go for revamping their entire curriculum for it
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| 18:59 | they're shaky enough going to linux
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| 19:23 | <Gadi> sbalneav: still here?
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| 19:23 | <sbalneav> Sure am
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| 19:23 | <Gadi> I have something for you - lemme pastebot
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| 19:23 | !pastebot
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| 19:23 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 19:23 | <sbalneav> okiedokie
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| 19:24 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "code to parse session .desktop files" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/306
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| 19:25 | <Gadi> In case you want to work it in ;)
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| 19:26 | <sbalneav> Cool!
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| 19:26 | Thanks!
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| 19:26 | <Gadi> enjoy
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| 19:26 | * Gadi always loves how small python scripts are | |
| 19:27 | <Gadi> I figure you need to mod ldm a bit to accept the exec and the name
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| 19:27 | but, that should be easy
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| 19:27 | in this code I just delimit them with a semicolon
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| 19:27 | but you can mod that to taste
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| 19:32 | <sbalneav> Super. We can't change anymore for gutsy, bit we can get this sexy for Hairy.
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| 19:32 | <Gadi> hairy? is that for real?
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| 19:33 | <monteslu> hard
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| 19:33 | <Gadi> oh dont go there
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| 19:34 | ;)
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| 19:34 | <monteslu> i actually lost some coffee through the nose reading that the first time
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| 19:34 | then again, my eleven year old has a more mature sense of humor than I do
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| 19:35 | <Gadi> hairy hardon?
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| 19:35 | <monteslu> hehehe
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| 19:35 | that's the one
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| 19:35 | <Gadi> hardy heron
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| 19:35 | oy
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| 19:36 | <monteslu> thing is now you're gonna say it wrong in front of someone you didn't mean too :)
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| 19:37 | <Gadi> i guess next we get Impotent Imp
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| 19:37 | <monteslu> followed by jerkin jackrabbit
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| 19:38 | <Gadi> somebody throw that man a Toy Story figure!
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| 19:39 | <monteslu> does shuttleworth name the releases?
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| 19:39 | this last one has to be a joke
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| 19:39 | .. time to go home
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| 19:39 | <Gadi> the man does have a sense of humor
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| 19:40 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 19:40 | heading out for a walk with the missus
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| 19:40 | be back in a bit
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| 20:52 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 22:04 | <dniel> hello, why there aren't a good documentation of ltsp-5 for linux debian?
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| 22:04 | only there are a few and bad :(
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| 22:05 | <vagrantc> dniel: because nobody has written it?
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| 22:05 | <dniel> vagrantc: yes :(
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| 22:06 | <vagrantc> dniel: it has all been done by volunteers, and any improvements you could make would be welcome.
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| 22:06 | <sbalneav> dniel: Check out the edubuntu handbook, the version in Ubuntu and Debian are close, and much of what you can find there will be applicable to the debian version.
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| 22:06 | <vagrantc> most of it so far is on wiki.debian.org/LTSP which anyone can improve
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| 22:07 | <jammcq> wow, there is life here
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| 22:07 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 22:07 | <dniel> vagrantc: i see your nick in ltsp!
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| 22:07 | <vagrantc> yes, i spend a fair amount of time in #ltsp
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| 22:08 | like, right now, for example :)
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| 22:08 | <dniel> vagrantc: :)
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| 22:08 | <vagrantc> dniel: so what are you having trouble with ?
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| 22:08 | <dniel> vagrantc: i'm argentinian!
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| 22:08 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Anything we can do to get the docbook info in the edubuntu handbook into debian? Once I'm done this doco round, maybe we can pull out the ltsp bits, and make some general stuff that can be put on ltsp.org, and a package of doco in debian.
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| 22:08 | <ari_stress> morning
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: would love that
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| 22:09 | <sbalneav> Monring
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> dniel: voy a argentina por debconf8
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| 22:10 | <dniel> vagrantc: no sabia que sabias hablar esañol :D
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| 22:10 | vagrantc: que bueno!
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| 22:10 | <vagrantc> dniel: un poco, mas o menus
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| 22:10 | menos
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| 22:10 | heh
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| 22:10 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: with the odd exception of the word "edubuntu" in there (i try to keep it to a minimum), it's fairly host-distro agnostic.
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| 22:10 | <dniel> vagrantc: me cuesta hablar ingles. Solo me es facil leerlo, pero no escribirlo
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> dniel: ah, si.
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| 22:12 | <dniel> vagrantc: soy estudiante de la universidad nacional de cordoba. Trabajo ahi. Necesito hacer andar ltsp porque tenemos muchas pcs viejas a las cual le quiero dar uso
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| 22:13 | vagrantc: we haven't many. We need to use a lot of old computers
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> dniel: si, yo trabajo con un organizacion usa computadoras recicladas
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| 22:13 | dniel: http://freegeek.org
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| 22:13 | dniel: yes, i understood :)
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| 22:13 | <dniel> vagrantc: que bueno!!! :)
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| 22:14 | http://freegeek.org/volunteer.php :)
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| 22:14 | vagrantc: me gusta todo ese tema!
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> dniel: espero visitar centros de LTSP en latino america
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| 22:15 | <dniel> vagrantc: bueno, yo estoy muy interesado en el tema. Me entere de ltsp por un amigo y me encanto
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| 22:15 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so is there a revision control for the handbook stuff ... or a tarball ?
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| 22:17 | <dniel> vagrantc: I need help!
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> dniel: ok, how can i help? :)
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| 22:17 | <dniel> vagrantc: puedo hablarte en español? o te es dificil?
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| 22:17 | vagrantc: please!
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| 22:18 | <vagrantc> dniel: yo puedo tratar ... pero mi espanol es mui malo.
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| 22:18 | <dniel> jaja! no!
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| 22:18 | <vagrantc> dniel: necesito practicar ... entonces... :)
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| 22:19 | <dniel> vagrantc: mi problema es que yo uso debian lenny. Debian lenny no trae "LTSP 4.2". Solo trae LTSP 5
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| 22:19 | vagrantc: y practicamente no hay documentation
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| 22:19 | <vagrantc> dniel: si, si.:)
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| 22:20 | dniel: no mucho, no ... espero escribir mas :)
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| 22:20 | <dniel> vagrantc: lei en varias webs que no anda bien.
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> dniel: pero, no necesita mucho documentation
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| 22:21 | LTSP5 es mui facil
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| 22:21 | <dniel> vagrantc: si. lo que yo hice fue lo siguiente:
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| 22:22 | vagrantc: seguí los pasos que se encuentran en http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#Installing_LTSP_5_in_Debian_Etch
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| 22:22 | vagrantc: but it dont work :(
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| 22:23 | vagrantc: debo ser yo el problema
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| 22:23 | vagrantc: the problem its me
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> !debian
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| 22:24 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> dniel: este documentacion es mejor
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| 22:24 | <dniel> vagrantc: a ver!
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> dniel: no hay mucho, pero mas facil
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| 22:27 | <dniel> vagrantc: cuando pongo # ltsp-build-client --arch i386 tarda mucho tiempo
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> dniel: si ... descarga mucho archivos
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| 22:28 | <dniel> vagrantc: entonces lo que hice fue: # ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --extra-mirror http://http.us.debian.org/debian --security-mirror http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main --arch i386 --dist etch
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| 22:28 | vagrantc: y coloque el cd de debian etch
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| 22:29 | vagrantc: es correcto eso?
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| 22:29 | vagrantc: eso fue mucho mas rapido
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --extra-mirror http://http.us.debian.org/debian --arch i386 --dist etch
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| 22:30 | esta bien
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| 22:30 | er.
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| 22:30 | ltsp-build-client --early-mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --mirror http://http.us.debian.org/debian --arch i386 --dist etch
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| 22:30 | dniel: tengo un ... plugin"
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| 22:31 | dniel: tengo un ... "plugin" es bueno ... un momento
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| 22:31 | <dniel> vagrantc: ok!
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| 22:32 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "copy-packages plugin" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/307
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc> uso con: ltsp-build-client --early-mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --mirror http://http.us.debian.org/debian --arch i386 --dist etch --copy-package-cache
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| 22:34 | <dniel> vagrantc: pero que hace ese script?
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| 22:35 | <vagrantc> dniel: copiar a /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/040-copy-package-cache
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| 22:36 | <dniel> vagrantc: ah ok!
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| 22:38 | <dniel> vagrantc: en mi caso lo tengo en /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/040-copy-package-cache
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| 22:38 | vagrantc: pero que funcion cumple ese plugin?
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> dniel: esta bien
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| 22:40 | <dniel> vagrantc: cual es la funcion de ese plugin?
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| 22:42 | <dniel> vagrantc: luego de ejecutar esa linea, me creo en /opt/ltsp/i386 un linux el cual va a ser usado por los clientes
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| 22:43 | vagrantc: eso es correcto?
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> dniel: ese plugin copiar /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb del server a los clientes ...
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| 22:46 | dniel: pero, no entiendo la pregunta ...
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| 22:48 | <dniel> vagrantc: mi pregunta es: lo que se encuentra en /opt/ltsp/i386, es un linux que van a ejecutar los clientes?
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i can never remember my login or password information for wiki.ltsp.org ...
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| 22:50 | dniel: en ingleis, por favor?
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| 22:53 | <dniel> vagrantc: the files locates in "/opt/ltsp/i386" are a linux wich will be executed by the clients?
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> dniel: ah, si :)
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| 22:53 | <dniel> vagrantc: http://pastebin.ca/683359
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| 22:55 | vagrantc: this is my dhcpd.conf. Are there some mistakes?
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| 22:55 | vagrantc: because ltsp doesn't work
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| 22:55 | <vagrantc> dniel: cual version de ltsp ?
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| 22:56 | <dniel> vagrantc: ltsp-5
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| 22:56 | <vagrantc> dniel: dpkg -l ltsp* | egrep ^ii
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| 22:56 | <dniel> vagrantc: 5.0.8
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| 22:57 | <vagrantc> 5.0.8debian3 ?
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| 22:57 | <dniel> vagrantc: sip
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| 22:57 | ltsp-server 5.0.8debian3
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| 22:57 | <vagrantc> dniel: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l initramfs-tools
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| 22:59 | <dniel> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
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| 22:59 | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
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| 22:59 | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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| 22:59 | ||/ Name Version Description
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| 22:59 | +++-==============-==============-============================================
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| 22:59 | ii initramfs-tool 0.85h tools for generating an initramfs
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| 23:00 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/308
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> dniel: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 23:00 | dniel: next-server 10.0.0.98;
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| 23:01 | este vercion de initramfs-tools no puedo usar: option root-path "10.0.0.98:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 23:01 | <dniel> vagrantc: ahhhh
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| 23:02 | vagrantc: entonces solo uso option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"?
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| 23:03 | <vagrantc> si
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| 23:03 | <dniel> vagrantc: y la linea que dice: filename "/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0";
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| 23:03 | es correcta?
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| 23:03 | <vagrantc> dniel: tambien ... creo que mejor usa "dynamic dhcp" de configurar cada cliente
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| 23:04 | dniel: no ... filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 23:04 | <dniel> vagrantc: gracias!
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| 23:05 | <vagrantc> dniel: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples
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| 23:06 | <dniel> vagrantc: y ahi puedo usar un boot diskette?
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| 23:06 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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| 23:06 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 23:06 | <vagrantc> dniel: prefero etherboot.anadex.de ...
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| 23:08 | <dniel> vagrantc: muchas gracias por la ayuda que me estas dando. Aprecio mucho eso!
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| 23:08 | <vagrantc> someone posted a bunch of really complicated, confusing and partially untrue stuff to: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#Installing_LTSP_5_in_Debian_Etch
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| 23:09 | dniel: de nada :)
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| 23:10 | <dniel> vagrantc: la linea filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; es si uno usa un diskette?
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| 23:15 | vagrantc: muchas gracias por la ayuda que me has dado! Estoy muy agradecido. Mañana me voy a poner a ver si lo puedo hacer andar.
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| 23:15 | vagrantc: me voy a dormir. Aqui es muy tarde
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| 23:15 | vagrantc: i go to sleep! ZzzZ
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| 23:16 | <vagrantc> dniel: buenas noches
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| 23:16 | <dniel> vagrantc: mañana me volvere a conectar y te cuento como me fue
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| 23:17 | vagrantc: thanks!!! see you!
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| 23:17 | :)
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| 23:17 | vagrantc: de donde eres? where are you from?
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> dniel: los estados unidos ... ahora, oregon
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| 23:18 | <dniel> vagrantc: que bueno! me encantaria poder conocer.
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| 23:19 | vagrantc: bye! i go to sleep!..
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