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Channel log from 12 October 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:40 | <junkY_San> hey there
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| 09:41 | i've tried to create a custom xsession file for one user through ~/.xsession
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| 09:42 | it started once, but i wanted to change it and selected "gnome" at the login manager which also worked. but now the .xsession file is completly ignored
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| 09:45 | <Hyperbyte> What do you want to do with the .xsession?
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| 09:49 | <junkY_San> start firefox
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| 09:59 | <Hyperbyte> For only one user?
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| 10:00 | <junkY_San> yes
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| 10:01 | i just found the problem
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| 10:01 | the ~/.dmrc file contained session=gnome-failsafe
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| 10:01 | i set session=default and it works again
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| 10:01 | but the next problem is firefox won't start multiple times on different machines :/
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| 12:22 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 12:30 | <highvoltage> good morning
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| 12:38 | <fgth> Hi everybody
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| 12:45 | <jason_> hello!
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| 12:55 | <highvoltage> wow the channel is cheery this morning :D
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| 12:56 | ah d'oh, I thought this was #edubuntu :p
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| 12:56 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 13:02 | <jason_> what's the likely issue if your client is continually sitting at the ubuntu splash screen during boot?
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| 13:02 | nothing is showing up in logs but DHCP chatter on occasion
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 13:02 | <ltsp> alkisg: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
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| 13:04 | <jason_> Received DHCP NAK is looping
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| 13:04 | hmm
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> jason_: look at your server logs, if you don't see why there, look for a second rogue dhcp server in your network
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| 13:06 | <jason_> there is no "network"
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| 13:07 | server - to - client
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| 13:07 | its the intel server with ppc chroot today
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| 13:07 | <fgth> Anybody's available to help a ltsp newbie in understanding how it works ?
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 13:09 | <ltsp> alkisg: docs: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> fgth: there's a fine pdf there that describes the architecture
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| 13:11 | <fgth> Well it's not really about architecture... Some details :
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| 13:11 | I have an Ubuntu-ltsp server (from alternate CD), and a thin client
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| 13:12 | the client boot with PXE : all is OK
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| 13:12 | <fgth> Just after install, I had only a console on the thin client, no GUI
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| 13:13 | <fgth> On the console I was "in the memory" of the thin client, not on the server.
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| 13:14 | Now I install ubuntu-desktop in the chroot. OK, I have a GUI on the thin client. But I'm always "in the memory" of the client...
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| 13:14 | How can I have programs running in the memory of the server ??
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> Don't install ubuntu-desktop in the chroot
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| 13:16 | Erase that chroot and start from scratch
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| 13:16 | And install ubuntu-desktop on your server
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| 13:17 | sudo ltsp-build-client is the way to build a chroot without reinstalling your server from the alternate cd
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| 13:18 | <fgth> OK. Ubuntu-desktop is already on the server, it's an ubuntu desktop version, not server
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> (04:12:51 μμ) fgth: Just after install, I had only a console on the thin client, no GUI ==> hmmm then I can't explain that
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| 13:18 | Build a new chroot and if it happens again it needs troubleshooting
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| 13:19 | <mgariepy> maybe lts.conf doesn't have screen_07 set ?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> It shouldn't need an lts.conf at all though...
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| 13:19 | <mgariepy> or the default is ldm on screen_07 ?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> The alternate CD doesn't provide an lts.conf by default
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| 13:19 | Yes, it's the default for ldm
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| 13:20 | <fgth> alkisg: "hmmm then I can't explain that" Really ? I might have a GUI on the thin client directly after install ?
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> You're supposed to, yes
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| 13:21 | After installation with the alternate cd you're supposed to be able to directly boot, login, and work on thin clients
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| 13:21 | <fgth> Well. I'll try to re-install in this case... Strange
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> OK, if you hit any problems, don't try random stuff, just ask here for help :)
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| 13:21 | <jason_> I think I screwed up my copy command
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| 13:22 | some of my permissions weren't retained
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| 13:22 | cp -p -R
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| 13:22 | <fgth> alkisg: ;) thx
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| 13:22 | <jason_> going to run cp -a instead to port the chroot
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> jason_: rsync -a works too, I don't know if cp creates dev nodes?
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| 13:22 | <jason_> alkisg: are dev nodes required for that?
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> ls /opt/ltsp/i386/dev/
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| 13:23 | (powerpc for you)
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| 13:23 | <jason_> some guy in another chat told me I should have used cp -rP
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> Don't know, I only know that rsync -a works.
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| 13:26 | <jason_> just curious, if I tarball /var/lib/tftpboot and extract it on the server, would that retain perms too?
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| 13:26 | (just for my own sake of knowledge)
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> You'd need to use --numeric-ids, and yes
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| 13:27 | <jason_> with that ls command I see a bunch of files here showing up in yellow text on my term screen
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| 13:27 | agpart, audio, audio 1 2 3, console, core, dsp, dsp dsp dsp loop loop loop midi midi midi ram ram ram ram ram rmi rmi rmi smpt tty tty tty
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| 13:27 | etc
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Yes, those are device nodes, I don't know if cp copies them, you'd need to read the man page to be sure
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| 13:28 | <jason_> I'll play it safe and use rsync -a :)
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| 13:28 | I'll be sure to notate that too in the wiki if this flies
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| 13:28 | I hope it's what's causing my issues, but them being network issues I'm just not sure.
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> How are you copying? over the network?
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| 13:29 | <Hyperbyte> I think cp -a copies them
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> WIth nfs? what?
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| 13:29 | <Hyperbyte> But rsync definitely does it
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| 13:36 | <jason_> remind me... what folders do I need to port to the other server... just /opt/ltsp/powerpc and /var/lib/tftpboot/, as well as the dhcp config, right?
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| 13:51 | <fgth> Well. I dropped /opt/ltsp and ran ltsp-build-client. /opt/ltsp/i386 was recreated, and the thin client can now connect to the GUI : fine !
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| 13:52 | <jason_> how the flip did rsync -a not work either
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| 13:52 | it's still me:me 700
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> (04:29:10 μμ) alkisg: How are you copying? over the network?
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| 13:53 | Reading fast is a good skill also, not only typing fast ;)
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| 13:53 | <fgth> Now I've another question : I see all the server resources in the GUI of the client, well. But this server has 2 NIC. Is there a way to show only one NIC (on a private network) to the cleint ? Or am I totally "on the server", and can't hide some resources ?
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> fgth: reading the docs would help you there :) The default setup is with 2 NICs, one dedicated for the clients. But when they login, they *are* on the server, so they can access everything the server can.
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| 13:57 | <fgth> It's that I begin to understand... So if I want that the clients are on a dedicated network, not seeing the other lan connected on the second NIc of the server, I must use fat clients, right ? And in that case programs will be launched in the client memory ? No alternative ?
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> fgth: if you want that, you can disable access to the *server* so that it doesn't see the rest of your network
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| 14:00 | Or you can set up squid, iptables etc for more fine-tuned filtering
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| 14:00 | <jason_> wow
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| 14:00 | Im stupid
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> With fat clients yes, it's like you say it, they'd access only the private lan and they'd run stuff locally
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| 14:00 | <jason_> I was trying to rsync -a to an NTFS drive and expect it to work
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| 14:00 | I'll surely note this in my wiki
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| 14:00 | "What NOT to do"
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| 14:00 | derp derp
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| 14:02 | <fgth> alkisg: "disable access to the *server*" ? Can you give some details ? Home disabling access if the client is "in the server", using it's memory ?
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| 14:02 | An example :
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| 14:03 | ifconfig show me the two interfaces in a terminal. Can I hide the second nic and network ?
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> fgth: imagine your server as a normal ubuntu installation, nothing ltsp related
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| 14:04 | So your question probably is: "how can I have this pc access the internet but not the lan"?
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| 14:04 | Right?
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| 14:04 | The answer is, use iptables to drop all the traffic that is directed to your lan
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| 14:04 | And only allow traffic to your gateway + the internet
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| 14:04 | Then your ltsp clients will also have the same restrictions
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| 14:04 | <fgth> A bit more complex :
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| 14:05 | the server is on a lan with its first nic, and the second nic should serve the "ltsp network" with thin clients
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| 14:06 | so from the server, we will be able to see the files created by the clients, and, for example, print them
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| 14:06 | I try to detail
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> Do you want the clients to be able to access the internet?
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| 14:07 | What would happen if you completely disabled your other, non-ltsp-facing NIC?
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| 14:07 | How would the clients access the internet?
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| 14:09 | You can very easily "hide" that nic; just don't assign an ip to tit
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| 14:09 | *it
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| 14:09 | But I don't think that's what you want
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| 14:09 | <fgth> alkisg: if I disable the non-ltsp nic, the server is isolated, so it has not access to the lan, and internet (it itself access to the internet via the lan and a router)
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> Right, so that's not what you want
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| 14:10 | You want the server to be able to access the internet, but not the lan, correct?
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> Do other PCs on your LAN (not ltsp clients) need to access the server?
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| 14:11 | <fgth> :) the server must access to the lan to access internet :/ No the otjer PC don't need that, the "server" is only a ltsp server
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| 14:11 | *other*
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| 14:11 | Let me try to explain what I see
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| 14:12 | and add some important things for the understanding :)
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| 14:13 | So : on the center is a router with 3 interfaces. One to internet, one to the lan, on to antoher lan (let's call it DMZ for the moment)
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| 14:13 | whouo : "*one to *another lan"
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| 14:14 | now the LTSP server has 2 NIC : one on the lan, one on the DMZ
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| 14:14 | the thin clients are connected on the DMZ network
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| 14:15 | If they have an IP in this network, they can access to the internet directly via the router : no need to "jump" via the LTSP server
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| 14:16 | Now, we want on the LTSP server to have access to the files created on the clients, for, as I said, print them for example on printers on the lan.
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| 14:16 | But the thin clients must NOT see directly this lan
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| 14:17 | ouch. Do you see ? :-!
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> (phone...)
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| 14:22 | <fgth> Ok I'm back in 5 minutes, too
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| 14:29 | back
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> fgth: if you share LTSP server print queues to the network, the thin clients will pick them up and you can print directly to them from local applications
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> back too :)
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| 14:32 | (05:16:26 μμ) fgth: Now, we want on the LTSP server to have access to the files created on the clients, for, as I said, print them for example on printers on the lan.
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| 14:32 | ==> the files created on the clients are on the server
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| 14:32 | So of course the server will see its own filesystem
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| 14:32 | Again: all the ltsp client processes run on the server
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| 14:33 | <fgth> Gadi: why not ?
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> So don't think it like "what the ltsp clients can see on my network and whatnot"
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| 14:33 | Think "what my server can see"
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| 14:33 | From what I understand, you want your ltsp server to only be able to access the internet and your network printers, nothing else
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| 14:33 | That's easily done with iptables or firewall
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| 14:37 | <fgth> alkisg: I see. In this case it don't need two NIC, just specific access via the router to the printers for it, for example.
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| 14:42 | <fgth> Now I need to add more informations to my explanations... The thin clients are available for public access. The server is a desktop : a user will work on it, and while checking what the public users do on the clients, he must access to the lan, printers, but also servers, shares, ...
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| 14:42 | so :
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| 14:42 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone use syslog to monitor their thin clients?
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| 14:42 | I've set SYSLOG_HOST to my syslog server
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| 14:42 | but I'm not getting any data on the syslog server
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| 14:43 | <fgth> I can't limit the interface on the LAN side for this computer. In this case, do you think that there is a way to limit the thin client ?
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> fgth: again. When a user works on a thin client, he works on the server
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| 14:45 | So whatever limits apply to a user working on your server apply to thin client sessions too
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| 14:46 | There's no "limit thin client" concept, as the users work on the server when they're logged on thin clients
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| 14:46 | So, you want to limit network access for people working on your server, on a per-user basis?
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| 14:47 | <knipwim> Ghidorah: you have to setup the server syslog to monitor remote log calls
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| 14:48 | Ghidorah: I use the following settings (added to your existing ones)
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| 14:48 | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/LTSP#System_Logging
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| 14:50 | <fgth> alkisg: I begin to understand what it is possible to do... Because thin clients users works on the server, the only way to completely isolate them is to use FAT clients. And maybe NFS to access to a share on the server for centralising the files ?
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> fgth: you could also move the server "behind" another "server" that would do that isolation that you want
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| 14:51 | If your clients are not good enough to be fat
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| 14:51 | Fat clients use sshfs by default so they work on the server /home
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| 14:51 | <Ghidorah> knipwim: Did you have to do anything else to the thinclient other than SYSLOG_HOST?
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| 14:51 | <fgth> And maybe do what Gadi said : share printers via cups on the server ?
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> Printer sharing with fat clients == checking a box in the server printer propreties
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| 14:52 | <Hyperbyte> Pfff... spent the whole day getting some damned javascript selection menu to work in Firefox, Opera -AND- Internet Explorer 5.
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| 14:52 | Why-o-why do I do this to myself....
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| 14:53 | <knipwim> Ghidorah: i didn't even add a syslog host, since i only have one server to do everything
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| 14:54 | <fgth> OK. I believe that have some tests to do :) Thx for this interesting and productive conversation.
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| 14:55 | <knipwim> Ghidorah: you might also need a tcp block in the syslogng conf
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| 14:55 | depending on the log program which is used on the client
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| 15:28 | <jason_> damn
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| 15:28 | ported the chroot over again
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| 15:28 | this time retaining permissions
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| 15:28 | updated network settings, dhcp service, ssh keys, image
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| 15:28 | still looping @ DHCPNAK
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| 15:32 | hmm, lease unavaialble...
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| 19:54 | <jason_> hey guys. still having continual DHCP Ack issues with booting my clients. Question. Would it cause a problem if I'm using a 10.04 chroot on a 11.04 system?
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> jason_: no, it should work. A dhcp problem is even unrelated to if you have a chroot or not.
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| 19:56 | <jason_> k, just wanted to make sure
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| 19:56 | going to run wireshark quick and see what's up
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> jason_: which dhcp server are you using? isc-dhcp?
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| 19:56 | <jason_> ALL I can see in syslog and the client boot screen w/o quiet-splash is the DHCP Ack. nothing more.
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| 19:56 | yes isc
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| 19:57 | 11.04 system
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> First, to make sure that this is you only problem:
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| 19:57 | !ipappend
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| 19:57 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "ipappend" is not a valid command.
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> Ah no
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| 19:57 | You're getting a dhcp NAK in pxe, right?
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| 19:58 | <jason_> ubuntu-ltsp01 dhcpd: DHCPNAK on 192.168.100.20 to 00:0a:95:81:74:17 via eth0
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| 19:58 | I'm sorry
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| 19:58 | I said that wrong
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> Sorry, in initramfs, ok, let me write a factoid for that..
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| 19:59 | !learn ipappend as to temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 as the last line of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg. You might also need to specify nbdroot=server-ip:2000 in the kernel command line.
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| 19:59 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> OK, try that ^
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| 20:00 | <jason_> wait
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| 20:00 | wait wait wait
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| 20:00 | I may have screwed something up
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| 20:00 | <jason_> alkisg: when I went back into the configs to troubleshoot I was comparing the contents of certain files.
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| 20:00 | one of the files was the tftp file
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| 20:01 | where I removed the "quiet splash" entry
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| 20:01 | on the G4 server, there was also something about an NBD port
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| 20:01 | er
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| 20:01 | on the Intel server, there was something about an NBD port
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| 20:01 | on the G4 server, there was not
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| 20:01 | so I removed it as part of making it match the G4 setup
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| 20:01 | maybe tat's why
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> Ah sorry
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| 20:02 | You don't even use pxelinux
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| 20:02 | <jason_> yeah
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> You're using yaboot
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| 20:02 | <jason_> but seeing the nbdroot=server-ip:2000 made me think
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| 20:02 | because I think it said something about NBD Port - 2000 in there
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| 20:02 | that I deleted
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| 20:02 | gahhh...
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> No, that shouldn't matter
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| 20:02 | <jason_> oh?
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> NBD comes later on
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| 20:02 | Pastebin your dhcpd.conf
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| 20:03 | <jason_> pastebin.com/wvj1eT0N
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| 20:04 | www.pastebin.com/wvj1eT0N
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> jason_: does yaboot.conf contain kernel parameters? can you pastebin it?
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| 20:08 | <jason_> www.pastebin.com/tsCZqMUX
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| 20:08 | I actually DO have the nbd2000 in there
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| 20:08 | I th ought it was tftp but here its yaboot
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> append="quiet splash nbdport=2000 ip=192.168.100.20:192.168.100.1:192.168.100.1:255.255.255.0:ltsp20:eth0:none"
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| 20:12 | jason_: try this in your yaboot.conf ^
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| 20:13 | Completely temporary, just to verify that you only have a dhcp problem
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| 20:13 | Also remove quiet splash if you want :)
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| 20:16 | <jason_> alkisg: failed right away @ failed to connect to NBD server. sitting at iniramfs now.
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 20:16 | That means it got the ip and tried to connect
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| 20:16 | Now try manually connecting to your server
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| 20:16 | <jason_> ..how?
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> nbd-client 192.168.100.1 2000 /dev/nbd0
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| 20:17 | That's your ltsp server IP, right?
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| 20:17 | <jason_> 100.1, yes
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> OK, what's the result from that command?
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| 20:18 | <jason_> no such file or dir
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> In your client initramfs
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| 20:19 | Not on your server
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| 20:19 | <jason_> I did
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| 20:19 | <jason_> wait
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| 20:19 | sec
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| 20:20 | nbd vs ndb
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| 20:20 | not the same :P
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| 20:20 | connection refused
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> OK, so you have an nbd problem on your server now
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| 20:20 | On the server, netstat -nap|grep :2000
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| 20:23 | <jason_> nothing happens
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| 20:23 | just returns back to the prompt
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 20:24 | <jason_> 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> No nbd port there
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| 20:24 | sudo ltsp-update-image --force
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| 20:24 | Ah no
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| 20:24 | Did you do it?
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| 20:25 | I'm not sure if 11.04 uses inetd or nbd-server, probably still inetd but not sure
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| 20:26 | <jason_> yeah I'm not sure either. No I didnt do update-image --force
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| 20:27 | wonder what I did wrong :/
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> Check if there's an /etc/nbd-server dir, and if it has anything there
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| 20:27 | <jason_> yes
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| 20:27 | nbd-server
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| 20:27 | in etc
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| 20:27 | its empty though
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| 20:28 | <alkisg> Put this in inetd.conf: 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/powerpc.img
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| 20:28 | Check if the last file (powerpc.img) exists
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| 20:29 | <jason_> yes it exists
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| 20:29 | where is inetd.conf
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> /etc/inetd.conf, the one you grepped for nbd just before
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| 20:33 | <jason_> reboot any services?
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| 20:33 | or just reboot the client?
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> sudo service openbsd-inetd restart
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| 20:34 | And then try nbd-client 192..... on the initramfs again
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| 20:35 | <jason_> negotiation ..size = 541520b
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| 20:35 | bs 1024, sz 541520
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> Cool, reboot the client
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| 20:36 | <jason_> alkisg: is that something I did wrong?
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| 20:36 | or is this something a powerpc chroot needs that wasnt auto generated?
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> I think that ltsp-build-client puts that line in inetd.conf, and you of course didn't run it on your i386 server
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| 20:36 | So put that on your notes too
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| 20:37 | Or, ltsp-update-image --force
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| 20:37 | That would also put it automatically, but it would overwrite your yaboot.conf and we didn't want that
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| 20:37 | <jason_> alkisg: why are you
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| 20:37 | so
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| 20:37 | damn
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| 20:37 | smart
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> As you have the static ip there because of your dhcp problem
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| 20:37 | :)
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| 20:37 | <jason_> SERIOUSLY
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| 20:37 | stop being a genius
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| 20:37 | like. wow. how the hell else would I have known to do this
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> I'm trying hard, but I'm too damn to do it :(
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| 20:38 | <jason_> oh wait. I would never. ever. EVER have figured it out
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| 20:38 | and I never put things down. I'm always working on SOMETHING. If anything, I'm doing too much at once at any given point in the day.
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| 20:38 | and even considering that
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| 20:38 | I would have never figured that out
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> *dumb
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| 20:38 | <jason_> that linet hat you told me to add
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> Meh my english fail me a lot recently
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| 20:38 | <jason_> would it apply to pretty much anybody?
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> In 10.04-11.04
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| 20:39 | <jason_> like if a random joe shmoe from alaska tried to duplicate my setup he would run into that same issue?
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> In 11.10 it's a different story
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| 20:39 | <jason_> what's changing in 11.10?
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| 20:39 | for better or worse?
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> nbd-server is no longed launched from inetd
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| 20:39 | So anyway, you still have the dhcp problem
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| 20:39 | <jason_> I do?
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> What we did now is force a static IP to a single client
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| 20:39 | <jason_> I'm at the login screen on the client
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| 20:39 | oh
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| 20:40 | gotcha...
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> Not helpful for many clients... :)
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| 20:40 | <jason_> very true...
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| 20:40 | should I try DHCP now?
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> It won't make a difference, we just solved the nbd problem and made sure that your problem is indeed dhcp related
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| 20:40 | Yes, revert yaboot.conf as it was
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| 20:41 | Then reboot, and pastebin the dhcp parts from your syslog
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| 20:41 | (reboot the client)
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| 20:42 | <jason_> so let's say I'm setting up a 11.10 server
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| 20:42 | would that entire step just not be needed?
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| 20:42 | would it work on the fly?
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> You'd need to not do that step, but edit /etc/nbd-server/config instead
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| 20:43 | <jason_> www.pastebin.com/bEP3PskT
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| 20:43 | would I use the exact same config line?
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> No, a completely different section
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| 20:44 | <jason_> k
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| 20:44 | I cancelled the syslog because it just loops
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| 20:44 | you can see 4-5 repeated sections
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> I assume that the problem is that dhcp3-server thinks that the second request comes from a different client
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| 20:45 | Because the client sends a different id on pxe vs on initramfs
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| 20:46 | You could try another dhcp server like dnsmasq, or you could try to find some setting in dhcpd.conf that would make it understand it's the same client
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| 20:47 | <jason_> alkisg: dumb question
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| 20:47 | and I have good reason for asking this
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| 20:47 | if I reinstall Ubuntu, is it likely I'll run into this same issue again?
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| 20:47 | because I didnt have a 64 bit server available, and one is coming to me soon
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| 20:47 | meanwhile I wanted to just launch this 32 bit server for the heck of it
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| 20:48 | I hate to waste time on it if a new install is likely to not even have this issue whatsoever
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> I'm guessing it will
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| 20:48 | <jason_> it will... come back?
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| 20:48 | or not show itself?
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> I think that you'll have exactly the same problem, with exactly the same solution
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| 20:49 | <jason_> so this isn't something I caused?
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| 20:49 | because when I set up this server, I was screwing with network settings a lot
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| 20:49 | mostly because it had 2 NICs
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| 20:49 | and I didnt know which NIC was which
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| 20:50 | most servers I set up, Linux has assigned them as eth0 eth1 eth2 eth3 beginning from the left
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| 20:50 | this one was backwards, whcih threw me through a loop
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| 20:50 | so I did a lot of network config in the interface file but nothing too much more than that
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| 20:50 | I had wiped the 70.network.rules or whatever it was and rebooted so it re-generated itself
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| 20:51 | <alkisg> I don't think your network fiddling had anything to do with the problem
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| 20:51 | Try removing "autoritative", maybe it'll help
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| 20:51 | And restart your dhcp3-server
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| 20:51 | <jason_> wait
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| 20:51 | what hte hell
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| 20:51 | I have two scopes
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| 20:52 | www.pastebin.com/8Aeav9pk
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> Yes but the first one is ignored
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| 20:52 | As you don't have an ip in that range
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| 20:52 | <jason_> oh
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| 20:52 | damn I thought that was it
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> Remove it to be sure
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| 20:53 | I thought you deliberately put it theere
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| 20:53 | <jason_> oh no. I had no idea it was there.
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| 20:54 | Im using a super tiny monitor on this server so I probably missed it entirely
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| 20:54 | it was probably there as part of the default and I never axed it
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| 20:54 | ah made no difference
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| 20:54 | dangit
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| 20:54 | I'm really pushing time too...
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| 20:54 | I should be going. :(
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| 20:55 | thanks alkisg, I'll tackle it more next time
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> bb
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| 22:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hi, we've internationalized sch-scripts (the italc-like app we use here - and changed the name to "epoptes") and in the next months it'll be in a good shape for mass use. Would you be interested in sponsoring it for Debian, of course if you deem it worthy?
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| 22:37 | It works on both ltsp clients and non-ltsp clients
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| 22:38 | (classroom management, monitoring, remote control, command execution etc, if you haven't heard of italc)
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| 22:38 | python + gtk + shell
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| 22:38 | Looks like this, more or less: http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/sch-scripts/screenshots?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=sch-scripts.png
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: might be interested, sure!
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| 22:39 | <alkisg> Cool, I'll surely do a demo at BTS then if you guys want :)
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| 23:00 | <alkisg> Goodnight all
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