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Channel log from 24 February 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:21 | <alkisg> Good morning. Would anyone mind if I put a "nice" in front of the mksquashfs call in ltsp-update-image? Building 10Gb images takes a lot of time, and the server is almost unusable while compressing (without nice)...
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| 00:23 | <johnny> 10GB ?
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| 00:29 | <alkisg> johnny: fat clients...
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| 00:29 | But I can't think of any reason for not putting `nice` there
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| 00:30 | <johnny> seems kinda large for a fat client? what do you fill in 10G?
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| 00:30 | <alkisg> A lot of edu* apps
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| 02:47 | <bassie> hi all, i got a hardware/kernel problem running ltsp on ubuntu 9.04. I would like to replace the kernel and have upgraded/downgraded it but the client keeps having troubles
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| 02:48 | i followed a couple of how to's including https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot to no luck
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| 02:49 | when the client boots i get thrown into initram fs. The first error i see is: mounting /dev/nbd0 on rofs failed. no such device
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| 02:50 | and then some more mounting errors
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| 03:14 | <alkisg> bassie: put a break=mount in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 03:15 | Or just try running manually nbd-client from the initramfs prompt
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| 03:15 | To see if the nbd image is available..
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| 03:16 | <alkisg> nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
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| 03:33 | <bassie> i get an error that the network is unreachable...
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| 03:34 | nbd-client 10.0.2.1 2000 /dev/nbd0
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| 03:34 | ifconfig doesn't show any adapters
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| 03:35 | pcnet32 module is loaded
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| 03:41 | <alkisg> bassie: what NIC do you have?
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| 03:42 | <bassie> pcnet32
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| 03:42 | <alkisg> (the client)
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| 03:42 | <bassie> virtualbox
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| 03:42 | <alkisg> Is that vbox? Weird...
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| 03:42 | <bassie> i'll swap it for another
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| 03:42 | <alkisg> The module should be there, I was using vbox while I had jaunty with no problems
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| 03:43 | <bassie> well it works, until i change the kernel
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| 03:43 | <alkisg> So if you put the old kernel back, it works?
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| 03:44 | <bassie> hold on i'll change the symbolic link
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| 03:47 | switched kernel but didn't change nbd link.
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| 03:47 | modified vmlinuz and initrd link
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| 03:47 | NOT nbi.img and it works
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| 03:52 | <alkisg> OK, then it is a kernel problem with the pcnet32 module?
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| 03:52 | <bassie> well it loads without a problem
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| 03:53 | i tried it with kernel 2.6.17 and kernel 2.6.19
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| 03:53 | 2.6.18 works fine
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| 03:53 | but then my sound has hickups
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| 03:57 | does ltsp use a default kernel, or a special kernel?
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| 03:57 | i took a deb package as kernel, never compiled it by hand
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> A special kernel
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| 03:59 | <bassie> so i have to compile it by hand?
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> No
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| 03:59 | You can install the .deb package in the chroot
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| 04:00 | <bassie> so i chroot, mount /proc
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> The hooks in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks (and scripts) will put the ltsp magic in the initramfs image
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| 04:00 | <bassie> dpkg -i kernel package
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| 04:00 | exit chroot and umount /proc
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| 04:00 | and ltsp-build-kernel and update image
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 04:01 | <bassie> ok hold on, my server is also using a pcnet adapter, gonna switch kernel there
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| 04:16 | installed the same kernel on my vbox server with the same adapter and that works fine
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| 05:16 | <frin_> hello, what would be the main cause for "issuing reset" freeze in ltsp 5.3?
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| 05:23 | <ogra> come again later and ask that once 5.3 was written ? :)
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| 05:23 | its hard to debug code that doesnt exist :)
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| 06:44 | <markit> hi, I've kubuntu karmic. With ltsp-build-client --arch i386 I got /var/lib/tftpboot and /opt/ltsp/i386 created, but with ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist lucid I've only the latter
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| 06:45 | has changed something or is that distr broken?
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| 06:45 | * ogra doubts the --dist argument was every tested for forward compatibility | |
| 06:46 | <ogra> *ever
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| 06:46 | beyond being tested at all within the last 3 years
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| 06:46 | <markit> ogra: I've been fascinated by the statement that clients boot in 10 seconds in Lucid... but I can't upgrade my karmic yet
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| 06:47 | <markit> ogra: oh, do you mean it's been tested if you specify an OLDER release, but not a newer?
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| 06:47 | the fun part is that does not create the dir, nor writes an error message
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| 06:48 | <ogra> i dont know if anyone every tested it after we did the initial implementation, i know it hasnt been touched for years
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| 06:48 | but i guess given that stgraber provides backport packages for karmic it has to work somehow, now that i think of it
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| 06:49 | <ogra> though it might be that the backport packages just do the right thing :)
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| 06:49 | without having to specify --dist
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| 06:54 | <markit> mkdir -p /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 ; ltsp-update-kernels did the trick
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| 06:54 | so seems just that there is a small bug in the automatic process
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| 06:55 | I've to disconnect to connect to the thin client "private local lan for test without having dhcp conflict with the one of my office" :)
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| 06:55 | thanks a lot, see you later
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| 07:12 | <beaver> www.search2.net
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| 07:14 | <markit> hi, I've used the karmic release for clients (same as "host"), I've the ubuntu login screen, I enter the username and password, I can see the KDE4 splash and then the screen becomes black and then I return to the "ubuntu" login screen :(
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| 07:14 | <ogra> check ~/.xsession-errors
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> markit: try SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf to get a local terminal, switch to vt2 and try `ssh user@server` from there.
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| 07:15 | Ah sorry you do see the KDE splash, nm
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| 07:15 | ogra's right
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| 07:15 | <ogra> alkisg, he is seeing the splash :)
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| 07:16 | <markit> mmm may I pastebin it to you? is a bit too much for my brain :)
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| 07:18 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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| 07:18 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 07:18 | <markit> console buffer cuts the output, but you probably have the log of 2-3 tries I did
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| 07:18 | http://pastebin.ca/1808086
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> markit: is that for the user that tried to login?
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| 07:20 | <markit> yes, I've created a new user, and login as "paola" the new user (my wife's name)
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| 07:20 | then I tried with my own login (logout from this pc, login from thin client) but had the same result
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| 07:23 | <alkisg> So why would a new user have a lot of kwrite/kate warnings, if he never opened kwrite? :O
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| 07:25 | <markit> alkisg: I've no idea, I can provide you the one of my own user
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| 07:25 | (I thought that the one of the brand new user would have been smaller)
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| 07:25 | hold on
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| 07:25 | oh, my foult, lol
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| 07:25 | I as in the right dir
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| 07:25 | but did a cat with ~
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| 07:25 | so is my user :)
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| 07:25 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 07:26 | <markit> http://pastebin.ca/1808093
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| 07:27 | probably is full of "create the new desktop environment" of kde
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| 07:29 | from line 425 seems interesting
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> markit: are you using localapps?
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| 07:30 | * ogra thinks its 723 - 729 | |
| 07:30 | <AndyGraybeal> what kind of thin clients are you guys running and what do you recommend for a newb to play with? spending $300 per client is fine.
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| 07:30 | <markit> alkisg: I don't think so, is a brand new ltsp installation without having touched anything of the lts.conf or similar
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| 07:30 | <ogra> ah, thats two login attempts actually
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| 07:31 | 419-425 are the same error
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| 07:31 | <markit> ogra: correct
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| 07:31 | <ogra> so kwin tries to use composite it seems and makes your xserver crash
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| 07:32 | <markit> mmm seems coposite is creating a lot of troubles in general with "remote" connections :(
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| 07:33 | <ogra> depends on your graphics card and drivers ...
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| 07:33 | VIA is definately creating a lot of problems for displays in general :)
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| 07:35 | <markit> btw, kde seems not to have composite effects enables here
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| 07:36 | <markit> is there a way to tell the thn client not to use composite? or to work in a better compatibility mode for video? or whatever can make me log in the desktop :)
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| 07:43 | <markit> ogra: seems he has the same problem I have: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1046485.html
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| 07:43 | but no solution in that post
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| 07:43 | <anivair> can someone glance at this solution to getting dhcp3 to run at boot time to see if it's a terrible idea? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1258957
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| 07:44 | <markit> (i refer to the last post )
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| 07:44 | <anivair> looks okay to me, but I don't want ot futz with the server too much
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| 07:47 | <markit> anivair: btw, I'm using dnsmasq that can act as a dhcp server + tftp server, is a wonderful piece of software for "simple" needs
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| 07:47 | <ogra> anivair, dont ever touch /etc/default/dhcp3-server unless you know exactly what you are doing
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| 07:48 | the file access rights on dhcpd.conf are intresting though
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| 07:49 | <ogra> anivair, so try to chown the file to dhcpd and see if it starts on boot then
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| 07:49 | if thats really the case thats a massive bug
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| 07:49 | <anivair> yeah, it seems like that would be way easy to fix and can't do much harm
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| 07:49 | <ogra> which would be intresting since nobody filed it
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| 07:49 | <anivair> yeah, I can't imagine nobody's filed it
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| 07:49 | and I've never seen that happen before
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| 07:50 | <ogra> was the machine upgraded or is it been a fresh install ?
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| 07:50 | <anivair> honestly, I wish I remembered what I did to turn it off. My history file has been flooded with pushing twinkle profiles out, so it's pretty much vanished, sadly
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| 07:50 | it was a fresh install
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| 07:50 | 64 bit 9.10
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| 07:51 | (honestly, that's all I could get to run on it. I had hardware compatibility issues before that point because some of my hardware had just come out for commercial use ... this is why I usually put together my own machines and never order them from vendors)
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| 07:55 | <markit> ok, I'll try with a different hardware. But recently I have a lot of problems with ltsp and find a working thin client. I'm scared a lot
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| 07:55 | see you , thanks a lot for the help :)
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| 08:02 | <mgariepy> morning all
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| 08:05 | <bassie> still having problems changing an ltsp kernel
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| 08:05 | the moment i change the kernel i get mount errors
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| 08:17 | <AndyGraybeal> the latest fedora ltsp version includes fedora 10 as the OS -- fedora 10 isn't supported any longer correct? i'm looking at this webpage: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer
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| 08:18 | would it be best to install fedora12 and then LTSP on top of that manually?
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| 08:25 | <johnny> AndyGraybeal, probably
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| 08:28 | <anivair> bassie: are you running an image update and/or update-kernels after you make changes?
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| 08:28 | <bassie> updated kernels
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| 08:28 | <anivair> usually, anytime I have to make any changes to the kernel, I need to run ltsp-update-image, ltsp-update-kernels, and reboot before anything takes effect properly.
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| 08:28 | <bassie> did both
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| 08:32 | downloaded a debian kernel image, chrooted to the server, mounted proc and installed the kernel with dpkg
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| 08:32 | after that i did ltsp-update-image, ltsp-update kernels
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| 08:32 | reboot client and if fails
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| 08:32 | if i adjust the symbolic links back to the original kernel everything works
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| 08:34 | <AndyGraybeal> johnny: thank you
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| 08:35 | <johnny> we have no fedora support AndyGraybeal
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| 08:35 | as in.. there are no people here who really understand fedora's ltsp
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| 08:35 | so you're kinda on your own except for what is super generic because of ltsp
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| 08:35 | <AndyGraybeal> okay thank you
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| 08:35 | <johnny> i use fedora.. but not with ltsp
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| 08:35 | <AndyGraybeal> what do you use LTSP on top of?
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| 08:35 | <johnny> ubuntu
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| 08:36 | i did develop the gentoo ltsp support
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| 08:36 | but idon't even use that anymore
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| 08:36 | <AndyGraybeal> are most people here more familiar with ubuntu?
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| 08:36 | <johnny> yes
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| 08:36 | debian has a good showing as well
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| 08:36 | but you might as well try to give it a shot
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| 08:36 | if you are already very familiar
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| 08:36 | <johnny> if anything is just an ltsp specific problem ,we can definitely help with that
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| 08:37 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, i'm not sure what to consider yet.
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| 08:38 | <AndyGraybeal> if most people use ubuntu and ltsp, i'm gonna go with ubuntu. i have ubuntu 8.10 installed right now, is there anything i should be aware of if it install it right on top of 8.10?
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| 08:39 | <johnny> uhm.. couldn't tell you..i haven't used that version in a long time
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| 08:39 | it's almost uhm.. how old now?
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| 08:40 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, that's fine - thank you
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| 08:40 | <johnny> otherpeople could
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| 08:42 | <AndyGraybeal> i know it's a little old, but i don't want to reinstall i guess.
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| 08:43 | since i'm very new to this - can anyone recommend thin client hardware?
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| 08:43 | <anivair> yup
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| 08:44 | check out www.disklessworkstations.com
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| 08:44 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, awesome. that's what i've been looking at.
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| 08:44 | <anivair> I'm using a lot of their low end model on the floor here in my office and they work swell
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| 08:44 | <AndyGraybeal> do you guys use those machines?
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| 08:44 | okay awesome thank you.
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:44 | <anivair> (though for testing, feel free to just use a few old computers so you don't need to commit cash to the project yet)
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> AndyGraybeal: if you are going to use ubuntu, you should check out the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 08:44 | <anivair> I use those machines exclusively, actually. Just make sure you get the pxe boot mahcines
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> it often has good tips
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| 08:44 | <AndyGraybeal> Gadi: tahnk you so much.
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| 08:45 | <AndyGraybeal> anivar, thank you
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> AndyGraybeal: btw, for the future once you get hooked on LTSP, make a mental note that the application server you connect to need not be your ltsp server - it can be any distro that runs ssh
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| 08:46 | so, if you like Fedora12, you can boot with ubuntu and login to fedora12
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| 08:47 | <AndyGraybeal> gadi, thank you for explaining that, it amkes more sense. i'm still in the semi-confused state.
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> hehe - dont worry about it. LTSP is so flexible that it often strains the brain when you first get into it
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| 08:50 | <AndyGraybeal> on the disklessworkstation site, what is the difference between the LTSP and DLW terms?
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| 08:51 | <mordocai> Hello, I ran into a problem and was wondering if anyone has ran into it, and fixed it, before. I have LTSP set up with LDAP authentication, and gnome desktop. I have a problem with part of LDAP, that fedora doesn't seem willing to help with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476784. Basically, I have a LOT of users(42000 and growing) and don't want to make all their home directories manually or with a script, but they can'
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| 08:53 | <johnny> that's cuz f10 is EOL for one..
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| 08:54 | <mordocai> Oh, well the issue is still in f12
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| 08:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: Hello Andy. The difference between LTSP and DLW terms on our web site are: DLW terms come with embedded images of either Windows or Linux on compact flash memory installed on the clients. If you are looking at LTSP term units, they come with no installed storage, and are specifically meant for PXE or Etherboot/gPxe via a local network from an LTSP server.
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| 08:58 | <AndyGraybeal> _UsUrPeR_: ah thank you; wow your nick brings back interesting memories from years back on EFNet :)
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| 08:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> It's quite possible that I'm the same individual. For the record, my nick is derived from an old Quake Team Fortress league when I was 14. I just stuck with it.
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| 08:59 | <AndyGraybeal> :)
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| 09:00 | what is the difference between the PXE boot and the Etherboot/gPXE ?
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| 09:07 | <anivair> it has to do with the way the machine accesses it's kernel.
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| 09:07 | I believe that in theory gPXE will do everything a pxeboot loader will do, but a) I have no experience with it and b) I don't know if ltsp is coded for it
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| 09:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: The difference is PXE is a proprietary licensed network boot protocol, and etherboot/gpxe is open source. Their functionality is the same, but I would recommend that you try out PXE if you were to test it out.
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> As long as it boots it doesn't matter which one of them you use. gPXE has some great capabilities though, e.g. it can even boot from http.
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| 09:12 | <AndyGraybeal> _UsUrPeR_: thank you for the response; what is wrong with trying out etherboot/gpxe first? are there some pitfalls or stumbling blocks for someone new to this?
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> bom dia
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> ΚαλησπÎρα :)
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| 09:13 | <anivair> nothing is wrong with it, but more people have experience with pxe. so if you're going ot buy one, you might as well buy one that people will know 100% of for help
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| 09:14 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, thank you anivair
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| 09:14 | <anivair> just my point of view
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| 09:14 | bear in mind that I would probably not follow my own advice, there
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| 09:14 | * alkisg prefers gPXE over to any other PXE implementation | |
| 09:16 | <AndyGraybeal> :)
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| 09:16 | okay so... i'm gonna get gPXE, it's open and that's what i'm trying to be a part of.
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| 09:17 | now as far as memory for the LTSP Term 1225; upgrading to 1GB isn't that much money, is it worth the amount of money?
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| 09:17 | says it's only $16 to upgrade to 1gb from 256mb
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> AndyGraybeal: if you are considering running local apps, it's worth the money
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| 09:18 | <anivair> that is probably worth it, since a lot of apps are being run locally as of late
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| 09:18 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, now to run an application locally -- do i need local storage?
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| 09:18 | <johnny> no
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| 09:18 | just local apps
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| 09:19 | <anivair> nope. just install it to the ltsp image and run local apps (I'd come back here once you get it running for advice on setting that up. This is where I found out how to do it)
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| 09:19 | <AndyGraybeal> okay thank you, this is all very interesting.
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| 09:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: If you choose to go with etherboot/gpxe, you will need to make some configuration changes on your LTSP server in order to get gpxe working properly. Presently my testing with the standard nbi kernel for etherboot/gpxe in Ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04 Alpha are causing some issues. Both options are viable, but for simplicity for a new user, I would recommend PXE at the moment. For more information about Etherboot, you can check out their wiki page: ht
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| 09:19 | tp://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php
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| 09:20 | d'oh. truncated message. AndyGraybeal:: here's that wiki link -- http://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php
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| 09:21 | <mordocai> Is there a "best guide" somewhere on how to set up localapps? I would like X/GNOME and Firefox with flash/java/<any other popular plugins to allow content> to run locally.
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| 09:22 | <johnny> if you want that.. it's not local apps.. it's a fat client
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| 09:22 | if you just want firefox + flash + java you an do it with local apps
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| 09:22 | but if you want gnome.. you would have to do fat client setup
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| 09:22 | not sure how well it would work with all taht tho
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| 09:23 | <johnny> alkisg, do you use a full gnome environment for your fatclients?
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| 09:23 | <alkisg> johnny: yup
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| 09:23 | <johnny> mordocai, so yes.. if you want full gnome.. you must use a fat client imo
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| 09:23 | gnome locally that is..
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| 09:23 | and how much ram do they have again?
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| 09:24 | <mordocai> Hmm... well, all the pcs we are going to use are currently running Windows XP fine, so they should have plenty of power. Where can I find a guide to set up fat clients?
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| 09:24 | <johnny> it's just a command line option to ltsp-build-client.. but you need a new enough version of ltsp
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| 09:24 | alkisg, would the ppa be recommended?
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> Here's a how to I wrote yesterday for fat clients. Covers Karmic + Lucid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 09:25 | 2 persons said it works OK in Karmic, and more in Lucid.
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| 09:25 | <mordocai> 5.1.95 new enough? It's what is in the fedora 12 repos, so what i'm currently using. And i'll take a look, i'll have to convert the instructions to fedora though.
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| 09:26 | <AndyGraybeal> thank you _UsUrPeR_
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| 09:27 | <bassie> alkisg remember my problem?
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> mordocai: for fat clients? I don't think fedora has fat client support yet.
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| 09:27 | It's ubuntu specific for now - it might also run in debian
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| 09:27 | <mordocai> Okay, well I can wait. I mainly just want firefox local anyway... the way flash eats up CPU is scary.
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| 09:27 | <johnny> alkisg, and that's why we need an abstraction..
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| 09:27 | truly it is..
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> bassie: nope, do remind me...
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| 09:28 | <bassie> mounting problem during boot
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> johnny: sure, I agree that dpkg/apt-get etc should be abstracted. But I don't think we're ready for it
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| 09:28 | <bassie> i've narrowed it down to the problem but have no idea how to fix it
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> bassie: ah, the nbd-client/kernel issue? Didn't you solve that with another kernel?
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| 09:28 | <bassie> i'm breaking boot when mount starts.
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| 09:28 | manually set an ip address
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| 09:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: No problem. CAN-o-SPAM or myself can answer any questions you have about our units.
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| 09:29 | <bassie> mount nbd0 with nbdclient
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| 09:29 | and then it fails
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| 09:29 | <mordocai> johnny: So, do you have a guide to reccommend for getting local apps ready for fedora? I can do just firefox for now. I have the server terminal up now, so if you need to walk me through it i'm ready.
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| 09:29 | <johnny> you should just be able to isntall it locally via rpm
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| 09:29 | and then add the proper local apps lts.conf options
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| 09:29 | the relevant part in the ubuntu wiki should be enough
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| 09:29 | i don't recall the page, but i bet alkisg does
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| 09:29 | <bassie> so nbd-client works, but mount -o ro -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs fails
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> !localapps
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| 09:30 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localapps" :: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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| 09:30 | <bassie> if i cat /dev/nbd0 i get a lot of output, so that works
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> That might be it, but I've never tried it.
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| 09:30 | bassie: how does it fail? any error messages?
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| 09:30 | <AndyGraybeal> _UsUrPeR_: awesome :)
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| 09:30 | <bassie> hold on...
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| 09:31 | <AndyGraybeal> _UsUrPeR_: is the power supply in the middle of the cable, or at the end of the cable (wallwart style) ?
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| 09:32 | on the 1225 model
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| 09:32 | <mordocai> johnny: Okay, i'll try setting it up. Doesn't look too difficult. How can I make sure it's working correctly? I currently just have one client for testing purposes, and i'd prefer not to put them all up and find out it's not working :P
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| 09:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: The 1225 has a power unit akin to that of a laptop in the middle of the cable.
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| 09:32 | <bassie> alkisg: no such device
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| 09:33 | <AndyGraybeal> nice
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| 09:33 | <johnny> mordocai, put the specific lts.conf options under the [mac]
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| 09:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: that power supply style is the same for the Term 122x and Term 142x models. On the Term 152x model, the power supply is integrated.
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| 09:34 | <mordocai> Hmmm... i see one problem real quick with the localapps guide. When locking down gnome, I have completely removed the gnome menu and made custom .desktop files for firefox and logout. Will i need to change the one for firefox in order for it to run as a localapp? All i did was have the command 'firefox'.
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> mordocai: no, with LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True the local firefox will be put in the menus automatically
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| 09:36 | <mordocai> alkisg: Well, like i said, the menu is completely disabled on my clients.
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> bassie: and nbd-client succeeded? is the nbd mod loaded?
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| 09:36 | <zirconiumks> hey guys, while starting kiwi-ltsp I am getting this error - "Starting KIWI-LTSP with AOE(kla) failed" ...
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| 09:37 | <bassie> alkisg nbd-client gave no error
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| 09:37 | <zirconiumks> I have built a fat client image myself
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> mordocai: use: ltsp-localapps firefox
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> mordocai: ah, you mean the whole gnome menu? Sorry I didn't get that. Yeah, you need to change it to "ltsp-localapps firefox"
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| 09:37 | <bassie> alkisg: to test i did a cat of /dev/nbd0 and got a LOT on my screen
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| 09:37 | <zirconiumks> any tips on how I investigate this further ?
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| 09:37 | <mordocai> alkisg: Okay, awesome.
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| 09:37 | <ogra> zirconiumks, you might have more luck in #kiwi-ltsp
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| 09:39 | <zirconiumks> ogra: I tried but in vain ...
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> bassie: sorry, no clue, I don't know why mount would say "unknown device" if /dev/nbd0 is there.
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| 09:39 | <bassie> alkisg any idea where i can get help?
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| 09:39 | <zirconiumks> ogra: has aoe been implemented in ltsp ?
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| 09:40 | <ogra> probably in kiwi
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> bassie: here is the right place, I'm just not the right person for device problems :)
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| 09:40 | <zirconiumks> #kiwi
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| 09:40 | sry
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> bassie: you might also try the mailing list.
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| 09:40 | <ogra> kiwi is very special, while it uses ltsp under the hood it has all sorts of custom stuff wrapped around it ...
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| 09:41 | <bassie> alkisg: thx for the help
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| 09:41 | <thunsucker> zirconiumks: did you follow a guide?
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| 09:44 | <zirconiumks> thunsucker: yes followed this one ... http://bit.ly/cHggGd
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| 09:45 | <thunsucker> zirconiumks: you have : easy-kiwi-desc-netfat installed?
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| 09:47 | <zirconiumks> yes i have installed easy-kiwi-desc-netfat as well as aoetools,vblade and cec installed
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| 09:47 | ^ thunsucker
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| 09:48 | <AndyGraybeal> there shouldn't be any issues with touchscreens right? they just act like a regular monitor and mouse?
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| 09:49 | <thunsucker> zirconiumks: sorry I just don't know enough about it. one thing I do with ubuntu is to make sure I always fully update my server and my chroot before i try to boot
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> AndyGraybeal: Touchscreens require a lot of setup and fiddling, but once they're going, they work.
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| 09:50 | <zirconiumks> thunsucker: thanks ... neways
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| 09:50 | <AndyGraybeal> sbalneav: elo has great drivers for ubuntu 8.04 and it's pretty easy to get to work :)
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| 09:50 | <zirconiumks> Gadi : any idea on the problem I have described ?
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| 09:51 | Gadi : I am working with cyberorg but he'll be unavailable for somedays
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| 09:52 | * Gadi wakes up | |
| 09:52 | <zirconiumks> Gadi : u think you can help ?
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> zirconiumks: cyberorg is the only expert here on SuSE and kiwi
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| 09:52 | He'd likely be your only resource here for that.
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| 09:52 | * zirconiumks Thanks god for Gadi waking up ! | |
| 09:52 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!!!!!!!
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| 09:53 | <zirconiumks> sbalneav : nobody else ?
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> whoa - kiwi-ltsp, aoe, vblade, cec... these are not in my vocabulary
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| 09:53 | :(
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| 09:53 | zirconiumks: nobody home at #kiwi-ltsp?
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| 09:54 | <zirconiumks> Gadi : nah ... trying since long ...
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> zirconiumks: Nope.
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> see, this is where kiwi's diversion from upstream LTSP bites users in the arse
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| 09:54 | <jammcq> but Gadi, you are the guy that knows everything
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> nah - thats the guy behind me
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| 09:54 | :)
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| 09:55 | * jammcq wonders if Gadi is gonna make it to BTS this year | |
| 09:55 | <Gadi> jammcq: you still hang out here?
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| 09:55 | * zirconiumks agrees with Gadi ... butt still paining | |
| 09:55 | <Gadi> :P
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> I pop in occasionally
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| 09:55 | just to check up on things
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> we already planning BTS?
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| 09:55 | there's still snow on the ground
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> Gadi: we started planning last october :)
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 09:55 | well, no plans for babies this year
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| 09:56 | so, should be clear for take-off
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> heh, not that you know of
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| 09:58 | <AndyGraybeal> i have two network ports, one is bridged because i run kvm/libvirt, the virtual machines are testing servers for now but eventually will be full blown servers. their addresses are 192.168.2.200-210; 200 being the real physical server. the second network port eth1 is free, what network address should i assign it? how does the terminal network talk to the virtual machines?
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| 10:02 | this is the correct command to install this: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone ?
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| 10:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: Any non-conflicting internal network scheme will work. 192.168.xxx.xxx or 10.xxx.xxx.xxx
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| 10:08 | <anivair> here's an odd one:
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| 10:08 | I upgraded our server and moved all the old logins
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| 10:08 | but one of them can't log in. hte login and password are fine, but gnome won't load
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| 10:09 | I get an error as follows: Unable to open X display localhost
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| 10:09 | I thought it might be because it's an old login, so I got rid of the (now defunct) .gnome directory
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| 10:09 | but that did not change anything
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> Are *new* users able to login?
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| 10:09 | <anivair> I'm hoping not to have to recreate his login, but that is an option
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| 10:10 | <AndyGraybeal> _UsUrPeR_: okay, that's what i imagined. how will the network on 10.0.0.x talk to the network on 192.168.2.x ?
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| 10:10 | <anivair> yeah, everyone but him, but he does have one of the oldest (and therefore most ported) logins
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| 10:10 | <mordocai> anivair: If you are using a distro with selinux, might try a restorecon. That fixed a similar issue on my fedora ltsp.
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| 10:11 | <anivair> I have never even heard of that. is that a program?
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| 10:12 | <mordocai> anivair: yeah, it's a security system. If you haven't heard of it, you probably don't have it.... it gets in the way rather a lot. Helps with security a lot though.
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| 10:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: that will require some changes made to your server's sysctl (net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1) and iptables (iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE)
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| 10:12 | <anivair> hrm
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| 10:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> that will bridge your eth1 and eth0 cards on the ltsp server in question, allowing network traffic to flow between them.
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> anivair: try temporarily moving .gconf and .local out of the way
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| 10:13 | <AndyGraybeal> thank yuo _UsUrPeR_
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| 10:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: bear in mind that at that point, your clients will be in a NAT environment. To the outside world, all clients http requests will appear to be coming from the same external IP address.
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| 10:13 | <mordocai> anivair: But in a similar vain, maybe chown -R <username> /home/<username> and then also check the permissions? usually need to be 775, though i'm not sure if that's true for everything in the home directories. Just some things that have caused problems for me in the past...
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| 10:14 | <AndyGraybeal> _UsUrPeR_: *nods* thank yo for the heads up.
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| 10:16 | so.. i'll have a nat within a nat.. if i'm thinking about this correctly, which i've heard isn't a good situation; is this correct? (my original nat is on the firewall, which my server connects too)
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| 10:17 | <anivair> moved gconf and local. no dice. though it does show that gconf was recreated and local was not
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| 10:17 | so at least that tells me where it's halting
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| 10:17 | just not sure what falls between those
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| 10:18 | <mgariepy> hi,
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| 10:21 | i have a comment, about documentation, i'm wondering how good it would be to have an "update when" for each attributes, if a attribute need only X restart or need a reboot.. etc..
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| 10:21 | what do you guys think about this ?
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| 10:22 | <mordocai> So, i was chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386 and a command hung, so i had to close it forcefully. Now, when i try to umount /proc, it reports it is being used even though it is not.(checked fuser). Is there a way to fix this?
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| 10:23 | <anivair> huh .... making a new login doesn't seem to have worked either
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| 10:23 | what is that?
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 10:27 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: In the words of one of the most famous LTSP devs, The greatest pleasure compiz can give you is: `sudo apt-get purge compiz`. And if it gets back on the next update, you just get the joy of doing it once more.
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> Hmm no not that one...
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| 10:28 | anivair: try this on the server: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 10:29 | !forget compiz
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| 10:29 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> !learn compiz as if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 10:30 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 10:34 | <anivair> er ... what does that do, exactly? Just making sure that metacity is set up right?
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| 10:34 | sidebar: it seems that most users cannot log in, but only at that one thin client
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| 10:35 | which made me wonder if it was the thin client itself, but another user who has the same make of thin client can log in there
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| 10:35 | so I'm thinking that it might somehow be the type of client, but I can't see how that's possible
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| 10:36 | oddly, the main difference right off the bat betwen the two logins seems to be some really messed up ownership of .gvfs
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| 10:37 | "d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs" that's my ls -Al output for that line
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| 10:37 | I can't see how that could be HELPFUL
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| 10:37 | in either case, it's bombing out before it creates a .local file
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| 10:38 | (nor can i seem to get into his gvfs with root permissions
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| 10:38 | very odd
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| 10:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: the nat within a nat assumption is correct. This can present some problems if you have conflicting IP address assignments via DHCP, but aside from that, there is no inherent issues with having a NAT'd NAT.
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> anivair: that disables compiz, which is enabled by default. Compiz problems have the exact same symptoms you describe. It might or it might not be your case, but it doesn't hurt to try the command above.
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| 10:40 | <anivair> will it disable compiz for everyone?
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> anivair: another way to try is to login in some other TC, go to the appearance settings, and select "none"
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| 10:40 | Then, logout from the other TC, and login on the problematic TC with the same user.
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| 10:40 | <anivair> I will try the command bove, but will that screw up anyone else's login?
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> anivair: it will disable compiz for everyone. To reenable it, you would just delete that gconf setting.
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| 10:41 | The second method affects only one user. You may want to try that one instead.
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| 10:41 | <mordocai> So i just followed the guide and configured firefox to be local, and it is taking approximately 23 seconds to load. Is this normal? The machine is not a true thin client, it has a dual-core processor and 1 GB of ram.
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| 10:42 | To be more precise: I right click the icon and click open, and about 23 seconds later i see the window.
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| 10:44 | <anivair> bah: his effects are already set to none
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| 10:44 | I don't think anyone is using compiz
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| 10:44 | they shouldn't be.
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| 10:44 | anyway
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> anivair: "nothing selected" is *different* than "none selected"
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| 10:44 | The default is "nothing selected", which has problems on some TCs.
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| 10:44 | If it was "none selected", then ok, compiz is not your problem.
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| 10:44 | <anivair> None is what he has selected
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> OK
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| 10:45 | <anivair> the only options are none, normal, and extra
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> For new users, nothing of the above is selected
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| 10:45 | <anivair> hr
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| 10:45 | hrm, even
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| 10:45 | odd
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| 10:45 | <AndyGraybeal> _UsUrPeR_: okay thank you for the response.
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| 10:50 | <mordocai> Okay, sorry. It was taking so long because i had not yet set up NAT, and it was confused i think.
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| 10:50 | <anivair> ha!
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| 10:50 | fixed
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| 10:50 | sort of
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| 10:50 | I tried to enable effects on the server and it failed.
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| 10:50 | and then I canceled out and the filesystem set the effects directory to the same screwed up permissions that the others had
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| 10:51 | which means a) he can log in now and b) those other two people trid to enable effects after I told them not to!
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| 10:51 | yay for science!
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> Somebody should start filing bugs on compiz, though, this happens too often nowadays :-/
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| 10:55 | <anivair> no joke
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| 10:56 | i really dislike compiz, actually, and i see no benefit to using it by default in many installs
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| 10:56 | esspecially for ltsp
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| 10:56 | can we maybe undo that?
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| 10:57 | <mordocai> Only thing I use compiz for is to show windows fanboys that linux can do better "pretty stuff" than windows can.
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| 10:57 | Though, as I always point out, it's not usually by default.
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| 11:00 | <anivair> since scott just jumped back in, maybe he k nows. Is there a way to get around thin clients grabbing compiz by default? Is that even desirable?
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| 11:00 | I know that the ones I use could never run effects even if i wanted them to
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| 11:00 | <mordocai> sbalneav: By the way, i ended up figuring out that in my case it's much easier for me to just add two .desktop files to /etc/skel and do lockdowns using gconf-editor.
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| 11:10 | Anyone know if it is possible to remove the "Change Desktop Background" option from the right click menu of GNOME? I got it where they can't actually change it, but I know i'm going to get tons of calls about not being able to change it, if that option is there.
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| 11:22 | <mordocai> Asked around ##gnome, and nope... can't remove the option. Added a feature request.
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> mordocai: yeah, if you understand gconf, doing it that way is plenty simple. Sabayon's really an "end user" tool for people who don't want to/don't have time to learn the ins and outs of gconf.
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| 11:37 | <mordocai> sbalneav: Yeah, i really like sabayon, but for some reason it just wasn't working for me here. I tried it at home with a few small test cases, and it worked fine. So our setup is just wierd at work.
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| 12:02 | <AndyGraybeal> what is the difference betwen ubuntu's packages 'ltsp-server' and 'ltsp-server-standalone' ?
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| 12:05 | <ogra> AndyGraybeal, the package description will tell you
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| 12:07 | <AndyGraybeal> thank you ogra
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| 12:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> Can anybody point me towards a list of preseeding options? I'm trying to figure out how to assign a hostname for the newly-installed server. It defaults to unassigned-hostname
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| 13:01 | <sbalneav> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+preseeding+hostname
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| 13:01 | First one
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| 13:01 | :)
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| 13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> fuuuuuuuuu I was using ubuntu :)
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| 13:02 | thx mr. Balneav
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| 13:02 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 13:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> waitaminute, I have already read through that! There's nothing in there for assigning a hostname to the server. The hostnames detailed in there are specifically for DHCP.
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| 13:03 | <sbalneav> http://www.hps.com/~tpg/notebook/autoinstall.php
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| 13:03 | or that
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| 13:04 | http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/04/17/unattended-debian-installations-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-preseedcfg/
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| 13:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, vry nice. the blog is useful
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| 13:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> !s
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| 13:14 | <ltspbot> CAN-o-SPAM: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> thx sbalneav. The blog helped a lot.
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| 13:44 | <AndyGraybeal> wow! so i got it to where my laptop gets an IP address on PXE boot!
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| 13:45 | :)
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| 13:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> AndyGraybeal: congratulations
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| 13:48 | that was easy, huh? :)
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| 13:49 | sbalneav: would you mind taking a look at my preseed.cfg? I just did a full install and it's still giving me some issues.
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| 13:49 | * Lns curses forgetting the --arch flag in ltsp-build-client | |
| 13:50 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: If you're not in a rush, sure, got like 50,000 things on the go here
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> Lns: create an /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf - that'll help ;)
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| 13:51 | <Lns> ooooo =)
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| 13:51 | thx alkisg
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| 13:51 | of course would there be anything against asking the user if they don't specify the flag?
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> ARCH=i386 in there, along with a lot of other parameters (e.g. LATE_PACKAGES)
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| 13:52 | <Lns> or maye requiring the --arch flag for operation possibly?
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| 13:52 | I dunno, would shave a lot of time from forgetting it
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| 13:52 | <adrienn> Hello everyone. I've been struggling a little while with sound on my thin clients. After a random time, the sound is not working and it says that no controller can be found. Only rebooting the workstation makes it come back. In the user log I can find the message "alsa-util.c : Error opening PCM device hw:0" around the time it happens. Is anyone having any clue on how to solve this?
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| 13:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: naw, no need for expedience. Here it is. I'm not sure why, but it's still naming the hostname on the server I install on "unassigned-hostname". here's the link: http://pastebin.com/WTDJ81S8
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| 13:53 | <AndyGraybeal> _UsUrPeR_: yea, easy.. now i need to get it to go further than that, i'm docs!
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> well, thats interesting - if your server has 3 NICs, the LTSP installer write "eth1eth2" as the interface name in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 14:59 | some scriptie is borked
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> Gadi: there's a bug + a patch for it in launchpad
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| 15:00 | stgraber: ^^^
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| 15:01 | This and some other packaging bugs would need your attention - some of them have patches
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| 15:10 | <adrienn> Hello, sorry to post again. Hope someone can help : I've been struggling a little while with sound on my thin clients. After a random time, the sound is not working and it says that no controller can be found. Only rebooting the workstation makes it come back. In the user log I can find the message "alsa-util.c : Error opening PCM device hw:0" around the time it happens. Is anyone having any clue on how to solve this?
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> adrienn: Sounds like pulseaudio's dying on you
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| 15:13 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, i don't know why this happend, but i lost connectivity to my virtual machines (libvirt/kvm) while i was playing with ltsp. when i removed ltsp-server-standalone, ltsp-server, and dhcpd3-server ... things worked fine. can someone help to explain this?
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> stgraber: any plans on changing ubuntu ldm's "bloodspatter" theme?
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| 15:14 | ;)
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| 15:14 | I mean, it works in Jersey....
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| 15:14 | <adrienn> sbalneav : any idea why this behavior?
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| 15:15 | <retye> hi
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> adrienn: Pulseaudio's been a bit buggy lately. Which OS are you running?
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| 15:15 | <retye> is LTSP quite like PXE boots?
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| 15:16 | <adrienn> Ubuntu 9.04 64 bits
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> retye: LTSP *uses* pxe or etherboot to boot, yes.
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| 15:16 | <retye> ah
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> adrienn: It looks as if the upcoming Lucid builds of Pulseaudio seem to work better.
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| 15:17 | adrienn: LTSP doesn't write pulseaudio. we simply use it.
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| 15:17 | <retye> sbalneav: yeah NFS mount and stuff rigt?
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> retye: Normally we use nbd to mount the thin client image, but NFS is certainly an option.
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 15:18 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> retye: ^^^
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| 15:19 | There's a good explaination of the boot process in the docs.
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| 15:19 | <adrienn> sbalneav: I understand that but I was just wondering why it would work then die whith no apparent reason. Does it happen for anybody then?
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| 15:19 | <retye> alright cool thx
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| 15:19 | <pyite> hi... I'm a pretty active open source developer. I had never heard of LTSP though. I just joined to tell you that I stumbled across your website, and what you guys are working on is pretty freakin cool.
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> adrienn: bugs in pulseaudio
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| 15:19 | <stgraber> Gadi: we have plans for an edubuntu one, should be uploaded soon
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> pyite: We just had our 10th anniversary as a Free Software project this ummer
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| 15:20 | <pyite> sbalneav: Well why didn't you invite me? ;)
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> It was in Brazil :)
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| 15:20 | <pyite> I'm like digging through boxes looking for some ALIX boards and stuff to go try this out - it looks like a heap of fun (or maybe a living hell? we'll find out! :) )
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| 15:21 | sbalneav: yeah that's a bit far for me
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| 15:21 | sbalneav: do people run the thin clients on ALIX style boards? I saw a photo of one that looks like it's an ALIX board
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| 15:21 | <retye> sbalneav: i was having an issue with the PXE
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| 15:21 | <pyite> sbalneav: I worry about the video quality though
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| 15:21 | <adrienn> sbalneav: that's what I've been looking at but I'm totally lost and I can't find an answer to this bug. I hoped someone here would have come accross this issue already and could send me in the right direction
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| 15:22 | <retye> yo wouldnt happen to have an idea why the damn PXE is getting the BOOTP ip but the image redirection uisnt working would you?
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| 15:23 | sbalneav any ideas?
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| 15:24 | <sbalneav> adrienn: Well, the answer to the bug at this point appears to be "looking like it's fixed in Lucid"
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| 15:25 | I beleive gadi posted instructions on our mailing list on how to backport lucid's pulse, but I don't have them to hand at the moment
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| 15:25 | pyite: I don't know, personally I use via boards myself
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| 15:26 | retye: Sounds like your tftp server isn't responding.
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> http://pastebin.com/dvpsyNMZ
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| 15:26 | <retye> sbalneav: alright
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| 15:27 | <Gadi> sbalneav: ^^^
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| 15:27 | <pyite> sbalneav: well thanks regardless
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| 15:27 | <retye> sbalneav: thats what i thought
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| 15:27 | <pyite> i'll go answer my own questions & try to contribute. seems like you're a bit popular, dont need more questions
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| 15:27 | heh
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| 15:27 | <adrienn> sbalneav: that would be great. By the way, can you update LTSP to the latest version without updating the whole distribution? Or are all the packages related to LTSP updated to the same version regardless of the Ubuntu version you are using?
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> adrienn: see: http://pastebin.com/dvpsyNMZ
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Was that to the mailing list as well>
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| 15:28 | ?
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 15:29 | I copy/pasted
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> adrienn: stgraber has some updated packages in his ppa
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> thos mountall errors are quite unsightly
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| 15:29 | * Gadi comments out "console output" ... | |
| 15:29 | <Gadi> :P
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| 15:30 | <retye> sbalneav: let me fix the tftp and see , thanks
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| 15:31 | <adrienn> thanks Gadi. However if I build the pulseaudio package on my server (64 bits) will it work when I install it in the chroot (32 bits)?
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> adrienn: hmm... prolly not
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| 15:31 | good point
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| 15:32 | <adrienn> sbalneav: thanks I'll have a look at this too
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> well, if you wanted to be wild and crazy, you could follow that procedure in the chroot
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| 15:32 | and build it inside the chroot
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| 15:32 | (make sure to mount proc in the chroot)
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| 15:32 | <adrienn> Gadi: that's what I was thinking. It should work too
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 15:32 | it should
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| 15:33 | just use a working dir in /tmp, so you can blow it away or call ltsp-update-image -e tmp
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| 15:33 | * Gadi hates wasting space | |
| 15:33 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:34 | <adrienn> Well, sounds like I've got some work to do ;-) Thanks a lot for the help to both of you.
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| 15:35 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, just to mention it - it looks like when i enable my secondary eth, eth1, i can't reach my virtual machines. i need to get this working before i can do ltsp.
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> AndyGraybeal: Well, that's not an LTSP problem, that's a virtual machine problem :)
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> hey, alkisg - where's ur hand dandy gconftool command to disable compiz?
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| 15:43 | !disable-compiz
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| 15:43 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "disable-compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> ah, there it is
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 15:43 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> Meh, we need to ditch one of those
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| 15:47 | <AndyGraybeal> sbalneav: oh i understand, that's what i was trying to say. i'm sorry it wasn't clear.
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| 16:31 | <staffencasa> anyone tried the --kiosk plugin lately? It seems to fail on a new Ubuntu 9.10 installation
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| 16:31 | it fails when trying to edit/copy gdm.conf
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> staffencasa: we changed the kiosk plugin in LTSP 5.2 to no longer use gdm
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| 16:35 | so, that should be fixed
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| 16:35 | :)
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| 16:36 | <staffencasa> ahh, thanks. out of curiosity, what does it use?
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> it simply runs xinit as a user that is created in the chroot called "ltspkiosk"
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| 16:37 | there is also a directory structure where you can put a pre-determined homedir and startup files
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| 16:37 | <staffencasa> okay. That helps a ton. I could've been spinning my wheels for a lot longer trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. Thanks again
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| 16:37 | <Gadi> staffencasa: there is also now a "kiosk" screen script
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| 16:38 | <staffencasa> now i'm really interested
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| 16:38 | <Gadi> so, when you use the --kiosk option, you should run SCREEN_07=kiosk
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| 16:38 | to make the kiosk mode
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| 16:38 | <staffencasa> in xorg.conf?
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| 16:38 | or lts.conf
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| 16:38 | <Gadi> yup
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| 16:39 | <staffencasa> cool. Now I have something new to play with.
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> staffencasa: you can install ltsp 5.2 in karmic from stgraber's ppa
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| 16:48 | <staffencasa> will do, thanks guys
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> I've made an ltsp-build-client plugin to install to the chroot whatever *.deb files are in a directory on the server. It uses gdebi, so it's safer than dpkg. Would that interest anyone, i.e. should it be upstream or should I keep it for personal use? http://paste.ubuntu.com/383291/
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| 21:12 | <lfaraone> Hi, I want to install nvidia drivers in my LTSP PXE-served chroot, without having DKMS running the module compilation on each run. How can I accomplish that? (I'm on Ubuntu karmic)
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| 21:13 | in the past, when I've installed restricted drivers DKMS halts the client boot process while it installs the module each time a client starrts.
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| 21:22 | <johnny> must be a tutorial for that somewhere.. sounds like a common problem lfaraone
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| 21:22 | <lfaraone> johnny: I googled around, just found people having issues with it.
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| 21:23 | <johnny> i avoid purchasing things with proprietary drivers after i realized nvidia obsoletes things in their drvesr as they will..
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| 21:23 | well i'm sure somebody here knows.. it's just not a good time
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| 21:23 | <johnny> try posting on ltsp-discuss if you don't feel like coming back in about 12 hours from now to ask again, when more people are likely to be here
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| 21:23 | <lfaraone> johnny: well, I forget whether these boxes in question have ATI or Nvidia drivers, I don't have the boxes in front of me.
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| 21:23 | *cards
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| 21:24 | johnny: and sadly I don't make the hardware decisions, I'm just a student sysadmin.
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| 21:24 | <johnny> sadly..
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| 21:24 | there is experimental nivida 3d support in the open source driver
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| 21:24 | and many ati cards have 3d already
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| 21:24 | <lfaraone> well, I'm seeing shoddy 3d performance when I did a test of running neverball on ltsp-localapps.
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| 21:25 | yet when these computers local-boot into windows 3d accel works fine, so they must have the hw for it.
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