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Channel log from 9 June 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:26 | <Mathis> hello
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| 03:27 | I am using kiwi-ltsp and trying to get password-less ssh-access to the clients
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| 03:27 | http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Passwordless_ssh_to_the_client
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| 03:27 | this one describes it how to do that
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| 03:27 | but the file authorized_keys is never uploaded to the client
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| 03:28 | in /var/log/boot.kiwi one can see the system atftp'ing the file, but times out several times
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| 03:28 | is that intended or what?
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| 03:32 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyone?
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| 03:43 | <alkisg> Mathis: I think you should better try in #kiwi-ltsp
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| 03:43 | <Mathis> I already did
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| 03:52 | solved it
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| 04:56 | <asmok> Alkis: hello
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| 05:11 | <alkisg> cyberorg: ping?
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| 05:12 | <cyberorg> alkisg, hi there :)
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| 05:12 | <alkisg> Hi man :)
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| 05:12 | The more I think about it, the more I believe that it should be network manager's responsibility to provide an IP in the link-local subnet, if the interface is connected and no static IP is declared and no dhcp servers are around.
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| 05:12 | Seems that Network Manager had this capability (like zeroconf in apple and windows PCs) but was dropped, here's a recent thread of someone asking for its re-inclusion: http://www.nabble.com/DHCP-fall-back-to-link-local--(IPv4)-td23040326.html (maybe we ought to ask, too!)
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| 05:12 | So if Network Manager provides the LTSP server with an IP in the 169.254.x.x range, then dnsmasq will work as a normal DHCP server assigning leases and everything should work out of the box.
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| 05:12 | I don't think that automatically assigning an IP to the LTSP server (e.g. 192.168.0.254) would be a viable alternative, as it could conflict with other static IPs in that range.
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| 05:13 | <cyberorg> alkisg, we have dhcp+autoip available, see /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg.template
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| 05:14 | we disable nm, on ltsp server
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| 05:14 | <alkisg> Wow, then it should work out of the box for you :)
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| 05:14 | <cyberorg> yes it should, it works out of box even now, matttttt seem to have tripped somewhere :)
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> (I meant about ltsp-server-pnp)
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| 05:16 | <cyberorg> yes, i need to dump dhcpd and start using dnsmasq adapting your change, will do it later this week
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| 05:17 | <alkisg> OK man, good work :)
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| 05:38 | <asmok> Alkis: hello
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| 05:38 | <alkisg> asmok: hi man
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| 05:38 | <asmok> there is something i mailed them to ltsp-discuss
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> I'm trying to improve the ltsp-server-pnp algorithm, and I think I got it better now. What's your network configuration?
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| 05:39 | Oh, let me see
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| 05:39 | <asmok> very basic, fresh jaunty i386 and everything, nothing weird ;-)
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| 05:40 | <alkisg> Ah asmok you have an older version
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| 05:40 | <asmok> how i update?
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| 05:40 | <alkisg> Let me see if I had uploaded the modifications...
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| 05:42 | <asmok> i got this one now:
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| 05:42 | admin-ltsp5@ubuntu-ltsp5:~$ apt-cache showpkg ltsp-server-pnp
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| 05:42 | Package: ltsp-server-pnp
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| 05:42 | Versions:
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| 05:42 | 0.1.4
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> asmok: thanks, that's a bug, let me fix that.
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| 05:44 | How did you install it? Did you put the PPA to your sources?
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| 05:45 | <asmok> yes i do use your ppa
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> OK, then when I upload the changes you should be able to update automatically
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| 05:45 | asmok: If I used the default LTSP range, (.20 to .250, I think) would that be OK for you?
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| 05:46 | <asmok> this testing machine, everything goes here
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| 05:46 | <asmok> ijust one thin clietn - HP Mini 2133 ;-)
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| 05:46 | <alkisg> No, I mean in general, for later or if it's stable and you want to install it on your production site
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| 05:47 | Like, when you install LTSP with the alternate CD and it defines the range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250 to dhcpd.conf, maybe ltsp-server-pnp should also use <server-ip>.20 to <server-ip>.250...
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| 05:48 | <asmok> yes, that sounds very good
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| 05:49 | <alkisg> OK, I'll upload a newer version later on today. asmok, thanks for the testing! :)
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| 05:49 | <asmok> Thank you very much to you Alkis, this dnsmasq is very good replacment for dhcpd
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| 05:50 | send me email when you have done (asmo.koskinen at arkki.info)
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| 05:52 | <alkisg> OK, I will.
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| 05:52 | <asmok> bye
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| 05:52 | <alkisg> Bye
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| 08:27 | <try2free> hi
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| 08:29 | sbalneav: i already try http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio and not successfull :(
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| 08:29 | anyone can help with using ubuntu 8.04 with skype?
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| 08:35 | <pmatulis> what filesystems are compatible with ltsp local devices (Ubuntu 9.04)?
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: dos, ext2/3, cdrom file systems, etc.
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| 08:40 | try2free: As I said before, I don't think pulse on ubuntu hardy can handle sound sources.
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| 08:42 | <try2free> sbalneav: do you what application to block some web, internet sharing from ltsp client?
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| 08:43 | sbalneav: yes, i think you right about sound pulse
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> try2free: If you're looking to control people's internet from an ltsp server, google for "transparent proxy"
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| 08:44 | you can set one up with squid
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| 08:45 | as for skype, if you move to Jaunty, you can set skype up as a local app, several people have reported success with that.
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| 08:47 | <try2free> sbalneav: i'll try, many thanks
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| 08:49 | <Drakonen> didnt we already tell you last time to move to a more recent ubuntu last time? ;)
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| 09:01 | <try2free> yup, i have to much job. can't do that, may be next 3 month
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| 09:01 | <Govelius> Good morning/night/afternoon people
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| 09:48 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: yesterday you said that ltspfsmounter 'initiates the ltspfs mount from the server to the client'. from what i see, ltspfs is the server-side program that does this. does the 'mounter command initiate the mount *on the server* ?
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> Well, we have to be somewhat pedantic about which *server* we're talking about :)
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| 09:50 | the LTSP server, is the *client* for the ltspfs mount.
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| 09:50 | the ltspfsd server runs on the ltsp thin client :)
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| 09:50 | So
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| 09:50 | ltsp client detects plug event
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| 09:51 | uses ssh -S control_socket server "ltspfsmounter ..."
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| 09:51 | ltspfsmounter calls ltspfs
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| 09:51 | ltspfs calls back to the thin client
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| 09:51 | mounts the device.
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| 09:57 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: and what mounts the thing on the server (machine)?
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> *WHICH* server?
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| 09:58 | The LTSP server? Or the thin client (ltspfsd)?
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| 10:00 | <pmatulis> LTSP server, the device is mounted there
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| 10:03 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: ^
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: As I said, the binary ltspfs
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| 10:09 | there are two pieces. ltspfs (bit that runs on server) and ltspfsd (which runs on thin client)
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| 10:09 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: ok, so that binary does both, maybe they're really one thing but i'm not seeing it
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> No, they're two completely separate things
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| 10:10 | <pmatulis> so ltspfs mounts on the server and then on the client?
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| 10:11 | ltspfs mounts on the client by contacting ltspfsd
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> ltspfs runs on the ltsp server, and mounts media on the thin client. ltspfsd runs on the thin client, and talks to ltspfs on the ltsp server
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> ltspfsd on the thin client actually handles physically mounting and unmounting the media, either disk, memory stick, or cdrom.
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| 10:13 | There are two reasons why we created our own network filesysem.
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| 10:15 | 1) Most network filesystems didn't handle "connection" issues correctly. I.e. If the person, say, just hits the power button rather than logging out, we'd have hung mounts on the server that were difficult, if not impossible, to get rid of.
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| 10:15 | 2) thin clients have less memory, usually, and we needed something that was very lightweight on the thin client. Running a full samba or NFS file server was overkill.
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| 10:17 | Performance issues weren't considered. ltspfs isn't very fast. However, the expectation was that people were simply using it as a method to access things like docs on cdrom, floppy, or memory disk, all of which are slower media.
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| 10:17 | Clear now?
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| 10:17 | <pmatulis> better but i still have questions
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| 10:17 | :)
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| 10:18 | <stgraber> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/191721/ does it look good ? I'd have preferred to have everything done in the loop but there doesn't seem to be an easy way to guess the name of the usplash package as it's different between ubuntu and the other derivatives :(
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS
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| 11:09 | <bieb> sbalneav: do you still recommend using sabayon for configuring the desktop that all users will see?
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> bieb: sabayon's currently broken.
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| 11:10 | <bieb> ahhh
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> Once I get it fixed, yes I do.
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| 11:10 | <bieb> is there a good way to configure the primary desktop image in the mean time?
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| 11:11 | I should say.. what is the best way
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> there is no "best" way
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> Probably handling things with mandatory gconf keys, etc, per the gnome configuration guide would be the preferred way to go, at the moment.
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| 11:14 | <bieb> ok
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> bieb: (1) set the background you want (2) run gconf-editor and navigate to /desktop/gnome/background (3) right click on the picture_filename key and select to set it as mandatory or as a default key
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| 11:19 | <bieb> alkisg: thanks
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> yw
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| 11:20 | sbalneav: I saw that system-tools-backends has an IfacesConfig module, do you think I could use that to detect what network interfaces are on the system and how they were brought up (dhcp, static ip...)? I can't find much info on the net...
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Possibly. However, from what I understand, s-t-b's is "dead upstream", and people are looking for a way to get rid of it.
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> Ooops. Not the way to go, then. Thanks a lot! :)
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> I suspect NetworkMangler would be the new "proper" way to do that.
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> OK, I'll try to find how to talk to it. dbus, probably...
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> I bumped into something a little while back that may help:
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| 11:23 | http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager
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| 11:23 | A command line interface to network manager.
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| 11:24 | I actually found a bug in it, so I'd try grabbing the git source, and I know the author fixed it in there.
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> Woot! Thanks, sbalneav!
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| 11:26 | <sbalneav> You'd think, after 15+ years of Linux and 40+ years of Unix, there'd be a "standard" api to get info on interfaces
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> Yeah, and I was complaining about the windows api changing all the time :P :D I wonder if it's proper to make ltsp-server-pnp depend on network manager though, maybe I should only use it if it's available.
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| 11:35 | <lal00> I'm using ubuntu to setup LTSP. My client machines boots fine, changes to graphic mode and displays the Ubuntu load screen. Then the monitor goes blank. Trying to change to another screen (with Ctrl-Alt-Fx) doesn't work. Seems like the client is dead. I edited the lts.conf file changing the xserver to ati, vesa and auto, but none work. Any tipos on how can I debug this?
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> lal00: I'd start by removing "quiet splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:39 | that will allow you to see kernel messages, and boot messages.
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| 11:39 | <lal00> sbalneav: ahh great
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| 11:43 | that helped, i can see everything is fine up until the x server(?) is about to start
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| 12:00 | <lal00> could it be that there isn't a suitable driver for the client?
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> lal00: try with XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf
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| 12:05 | <lal00> alkisg: I already did :-/
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> So what are the contents of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/<arch>/lts.conf now?
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| 12:08 | <lal00> [192.168.1.20]
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| 12:08 | XSERVER=vesa
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| 12:08 | LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 12:08 | SERVER=192.168.1.100
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> That's the IP that the client gets? Is that fixed in dhcpd.conf?
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| 12:09 | <lal00> its not fixed, but it always gets the same
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| 12:10 | I can tell that it works because if I add SCREEN_O7=shell it works
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| 12:10 | <Lns> lal00: have you tried using the MAC addy instead?
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> Hey Lns! lal00, what does xorg.log tell you?
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| 12:11 | <lal00> yes, I have used the mac address, it correctly reads the configuration as with the ip
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| 12:11 | xorg.log in the server? I can't access the client
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> lal00: try with SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm to access the client logs
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| 12:12 | <Lns> hey alkisg =)\
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| 12:15 | <lal00> alkisg: as soon as ldm kicks in, the client becomes unresponsive
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| 12:15 | I can't switcht to the shell
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| 12:15 | <Lns> lal00: what do you see in regards to ldm? gfx, no gfx,... ?
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| 12:16 | <lal00> no gfx, basically the monitor turns off because it receives "No Signal"
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| 12:16 | <Lns> ah
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| 12:17 | yeah you wanna look at the logs :)
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| 12:17 | <lal00> haha but I can't :P
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| 12:17 | <Lns> lal00: how many clients on your net?
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| 12:17 | <lal00> just one, but I could add another one if needed
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| 12:17 | <Lns> lal00: nah that's fine, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/TCSyslogToLTSPServer
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| 12:18 | that might get you logs you need sent to the server side
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| 12:18 | (sorry don't know if your'e using ubuntu or not)
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| 12:18 | (but should be similar steps to get it going)
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| 12:19 | brb
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| 12:20 | <lal00> im using ubunut
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| 12:20 | ubuntu*
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| 12:32 | <ogra> stgraber, that wouldalways default to the ubuntu theme
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| 12:33 | <lal00> I can see the syslog now on the server; if only I could see the X server log
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| 12:33 | <rjune_> !o
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| 12:33 | <ltspbot> rjune_: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
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| 12:33 | <rjune_> *sigh*
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| 12:33 | ogra: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:33 | how you doing?
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| 12:33 | <ogra> busy
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| 12:34 | got a 8h conf call in 10min
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| 12:35 | <Lns> ogra: holy crap, 8 hours on the phone...
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| 12:36 | <ogra> i'm wondering if my battery will survive ;)
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| 12:36 | <Lns> heh..you're the best one to ask about that ;p
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| 12:36 | mr. "MY computer battery lasts 10 days!" =p
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| 12:37 | lal00: so the Xserver log from the client doesn't get pushed to the server??
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| 12:38 | <lal00> Lns: I don't see it. If by that you mean that Xserver.0.log will show whatever is happening in the client, then it's not.
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| 12:39 | <Lns> lal00: hrm. i'd think all the logs would get sent, but maybe xserver logs don't use syslog facilities..
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| 12:45 | <stgraber> ogra: why ?
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| 12:46 | <ogra> stgraber, because you call the update-alternatives to point to ubuntu at the end of the code
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| 12:46 | <stgraber> ogra: did you see the "return" ?
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| 12:46 | <ogra> so the alternative will pont there
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| 12:46 | does that work without ltsp-build-client erroring out ?
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| 12:46 | did you test ?
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| 12:48 | <stgraber> the return should work, I was actually going to test it now
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| 12:48 | <ogra> good
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| 12:48 | if that works i'm fine
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| 12:48 | though it indeed leaves you with the last metapackage catched by default if people have multiple installed
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| 12:49 | but that should be fine for now
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| 12:49 | did you add the unionfs-fuse stuff to a distro patch so we have something to test with A2 ?
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| 12:49 | it will likely go away with the .31 kernel anyway so a patch should be fine
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| 12:49 | <stgraber> not yet, I have bookmarked your patch, will make it so it works for both karmic and jaunty and push it to trunk
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| 12:50 | ok, so in the package then :)
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| 12:50 | <ogra> yeah, dont push it upstream
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| 12:50 | its not worth it ... with the .31 kernel mount --union should just work
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| 12:51 | * ogra needs to take care of the call now ... | |
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| 12:58 | <hgrover> Hi everybody, I'm having a problem with blinking cursors on thin client boot. Restarting nbd-server normally fixes the problem, but I've heard it's a bug with ltsp in Jaunty. Is there any workaround?
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| 13:20 | <stgraber> ogra: it works
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| 13:20 | <ogra> good
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| 13:37 | <jammcq> hello der friends
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| 13:38 | <ogra> your german is excellent today :)
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| 13:38 | <jammcq> ogra: hey
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| 13:39 | my german is really lacking. my portuguese is getting much better tho.
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| 13:40 | boa tarde meu amigos
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| 13:40 | <prpplague> jammcq: greetings old friend
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| 13:40 | <jammcq> prpplague: HEY !!!
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| 13:40 | how's it goin?
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| 13:40 | <prpplague> jammcq: it's going.....
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| 13:40 | jammcq: working and paying bills
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| 13:40 | <jammcq> you in dallas?
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| 13:40 | <prpplague> jammcq: yep
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| 13:40 | <jammcq> who family?
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| 13:41 | <prpplague> jammcq: yep, my wife got her visa awhile back
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| 13:41 | <jammcq> cool
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| 13:42 | <prpplague> jammcq: yep, only took 3 years 8 months and 24 days, "who says the legal immigration system doesn't work?"
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> wow
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| 13:43 | crazy
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| 13:43 | <prpplague> indeed
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| 13:43 | <prpplague> jammcq: how's biz?
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| 13:44 | <jammcq> very busy
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| 13:44 | which is kinda nice
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| 13:45 | <prpplague> jammcq: cool
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| 13:45 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey
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| 13:45 | <prpplague> jammcq: i'm scheduled to get this working with LTSP next month - http://www.amltd.com/KDT750.asp
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| 13:46 | <cliebow> jammcq!!!
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| 13:46 | zup?
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| 13:46 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey, prolly time to start planning BTS-09
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| 13:47 | <cliebow> yeah! i kind of wondred whether fisl?would take its place
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| 13:48 | <jammcq> cliebow: there's always room for BTS
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| 13:48 | they don't have lobster down there
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| 13:49 | <cliebow> it would make my day...anyone going with you?
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| 13:50 | lobster is still cheaper than hamburger..the fisherman are having a rough go of it
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| 13:50 | the tourist trade seems to be holding up pretty well
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| 13:51 | <bieb> lobster is cheaper than hamburger .. where??
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| 13:51 | <ogra> where cliebow lives :)
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| 13:51 | <bieb> where you live cliebow
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> bieb, Maine..Mount desert island
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| 13:52 | <bieb> ahh I see
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> bieb, call dave thomas..thomas lobster..bet he could ship some to you pretty reasonable
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| 13:52 | <bieb> Georgia here.. Atlanta
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> cliebow: lobster prices in restaurants hasn't gone down tho
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| 13:53 | <cliebow> at tenton bridge i think it is 6.95 for a dinner...lobster corn potato salad
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| 13:53 | <bieb> cliebow: you have the # handy?
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| 13:53 | <prpplague> hehe, iirc seems like there was some law that said household servants couldn't be forced to eat lobster more than 3 times a week
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| 13:54 | <cliebow> 207244 5876..or look at thomaslobster.com
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| 13:54 | <bieb> thanks
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| 13:54 | <cliebow> prpplague, yeah they did that back in the 1870s for the servants in the big ansions..
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| 13:55 | biggest riot at the state prison was over lobster..da after day
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> BTS09+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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| 13:55 | <cliebow> sbalneav:!!
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| 13:55 | <ogra> !s
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| 13:55 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> I'm looking forward to making pancakes again.
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| 13:55 | <cliebow> put on the kettle..Scottie is here!
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> Hey hey ogra.
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| 13:55 | <ogra> hey
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| 13:55 | <cliebow> and the griddle
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| 13:56 | <bieb> what is BTS09?
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> I need more Jordan's mugs
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| 13:56 | <ogra> bieb, the LTSP meeting
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> They're great at the cottage.
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| 13:56 | <cliebow> all us ltspers get together up here..ltsp-by the sea
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| 13:56 | <bieb> when? where? what's the website?
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| 13:56 | <cliebow> though iyt has been in San francicso co and Montreal
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> Mt. Desert Island, Main, USA
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| 13:57 | cliebow: It's true home is where you are.
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| 13:57 | <cliebow> sbalneav, cant wait to show off my new digs..
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| 13:57 | <bieb> when?
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> october-november ish
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| 13:58 | <cliebow> Late October..generaly..depends when we can pry ogra over here
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> cliebow: you got a new house?
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| 13:58 | <bieb> cool.. need to keep an eye out for that.. I can see what the school will pay for.. :D
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| 13:58 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:58 | <cliebow> yeah..building it this winter
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> No kiddin!
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| 13:59 | <cliebow> fly into bar harbor and you can walk there..
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> In town itself? Or on a more secluded lot?
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| 13:59 | <cliebow> end of a dirt road..lookng out on the mt desert hills..
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| 13:59 | from trenton
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> How big's the lot?
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| 14:00 | <cliebow> acre and a half
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| 14:00 | <bieb> good local brew pub close to where BTS will be held?
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| 14:00 | <cliebow> ill send you a pic from the other computer..@ltsp.org
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| 14:00 | bar harbor ale..
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| 14:01 | <bieb> sounds like the spot to me
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| 14:02 | <cliebow> im partial to heineken..but am not bashful
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> cliebow: That's a half decent size.
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| 14:03 | <cliebow> i sent you a pic..@ltsp.org
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> My cottage lot's still bigger, though :)
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| 14:03 | Cool
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| 14:03 | <bieb> I like to try out the local brew pubs when I am in town for a conference. I will be in Boulder, Co next week
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| 14:04 | <cliebow> we are downsizing..
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| 14:04 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:04 | <cliebow> bieb, what do you od?
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| 14:04 | <prpplague> bieb: definetly try LeftHand
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| 14:05 | <bieb> cool prpplague
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| 14:05 | <cliebow> prpplague, elaborate...since i am a southpaw
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> !j
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| 14:05 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:05 | <bieb> cliebow: IT support for a small college
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| 14:05 | Law school
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| 14:05 | <prpplague> cliebow: ??
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| 14:05 | <bieb> working on getting LTSP in the 2 student labs.. :D
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| 14:05 | <cliebow> i tried for the job at college of the atlantic..but they hired internally
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| 14:06 | LeftHand..Is that an ale..or a Stout?
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| 14:06 | <prpplague> cliebow: brewery
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| 14:07 | <cliebow> ahh..i am one that believes the darker thebetter
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| 14:07 | <prpplague> http://www.lefthandbrewing.com/
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| 14:07 | <cliebow> cool
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| 14:07 | <prpplague> cliebow: they have a milk stout that is out of this world
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| 14:07 | <cliebow> ive never come across it..have to look for it
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| 14:08 | <bieb> prpplague: how far is it from boulder to left hand?
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| 14:09 | <cliebow> guys: i think i am about to lose my ltsp lab..obama bought everyone an ibook
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| 14:10 | <bieb> the law school I work for is about 4 miles from Sweetwater Brewery in Atlanta... sweetwaterbrew.com
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| 14:13 | <prpplague> bieb: its about 20 minutes away iirc
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| 14:13 | * prpplague checks google | |
| 14:13 | <bieb> not too bad at all
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| 14:14 | <prpplague> bieb: yea about 15 minutes away
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| 14:14 | <bieb> I hear Avery Brewing and Twisted Pine are good also
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| 14:15 | <prpplague> bieb: yes both are very good
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| 14:16 | <bieb> prpplague: you live in that area?
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| 14:23 | <matttttt> cyber you around?
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| 14:28 | <prpplague> bieb: no, i have a friend who does, i'm just a beer freak
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| 14:29 | <bieb> sounds good..
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> "Beer is God's way of telling us he loves us, and wants us to be happy."
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| 14:32 | -- Benjamin Franklin
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| 14:32 | <ogra> :D
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| 14:33 | * ogra pops open another bottle | |
| 14:33 | <alkisg> ogra, stop resetting my xorg! >:o :P
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> Wish MY work allowed me to drink on the job :)
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| 14:34 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hmmm, let's see if we can fix that, eh?
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> Muahahahahaha
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| 14:34 | Yes, lets :)
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| 14:35 | <matttttt> any kiwi users alive in here? that channel is dead atm :)
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| 14:35 | this dhcp problem is driving me nuts
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| 14:35 | <cliebow> sbalneav did you get my photo?
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> cliebow: No, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything, since I have greylisting on.
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| 14:37 | <ogra> alkisg, just disable my root yccount on your machines :)
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| 14:37 | *account
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> but if you send it again, it should come through right away.
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| 14:37 | <cliebow> yeah..prob thinks i am a spammer
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> No, just that you haven't emailed me in a while
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| 14:37 | * alkisg thinks orga sent a kernel patch and he can logon anywhere from kernel 2.26+ :D | |
| 14:37 | <ogra> no, it was a ssh patch :)
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> Ah right, the keys fiasco..
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> Feys Kiasco?
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| 14:38 | <cliebow> done
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| 14:38 | <matttttt> anyone here use a dhcp other than their ltsp box?
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| 14:38 | surely there is something simple i'm missing
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| 14:38 | <cliebow> i use windows ugh some
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> matttttt: what do you get when you specify kiwiserver and kiwiserver type? what exactly do you have in pxelinux/default?
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| 14:39 | <cliebow> matttttt, pastebot your dhcpd.conf
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| 14:39 | !pastebot
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| 14:39 | <ltspbot> cliebow: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:41 | <matttttt> pastes forthcoming. Quick info on the problem: my third party dhcp server is giving my tc an ip and managing to tell it about the next-server to get the kernel/initrd from, that boots, but when the kernel tries to dhcp/configure the network again later in the boot process i see: found server type in kernel cmdline, found server in cmdline, checking servername: my.server, server: my.server not found, as if it can't resolve it. when I replace the fqdn valu
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| 14:41 | it doesn't even get that far, as if it doesn't know what to do with an ip
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| 14:41 | tries tftp.domain or something
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| 14:42 | <cliebow> but you are sure the card is initialized by the kernel?
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| 14:42 | <matttttt> yes, because when i use my ltsp server as the dhcp server this all works flawlessly
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| 14:42 | <cliebow> right
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> cliebow: Holy cr*p!
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| 14:42 | <cliebow> you ok?
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> How long you been saving for a view *that* nice?
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| 14:43 | <cliebow> a long time..beats having money in the stock market
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| 14:43 | have to sell the other house when the market gets better..
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> That a lake or a bay of the ocean?
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| 14:44 | <cliebow> looking across to mdi from trenton..you can see the trenton bridge from the roof
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| 14:44 | <ltsppbot> "mattttttt" pasted "pxelinux/default" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/376
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| 14:44 | <cliebow> so salt water..tidal
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| 14:44 | my wife tok one look and fell in love with it
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> Well, you know what Will Rogers said.
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| 14:45 | "Buy land. They ain't making any more of the stuff."
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| 14:45 | <cliebow> errr
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| 14:45 | just right..
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> Man, an acre and a half with a view like that.
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| 14:46 | <cliebow> Mom left behind enough for a downpayment
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| 14:46 | <bieb> cliebow: you authenticating against AD also?
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| 14:46 | <matttttt> so, after the network card is initialized and tries to dhcp/tftp again, is the tftp server to use provided by next-server/dhcp or the parameters passed to the kernel via pxelinux/default?
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| 14:46 | <cliebow> no..ldap
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| 14:47 | <bieb> ok.. I am reading up on winbind for ad auth
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| 14:47 | <cliebow> i gave up ad about five years ago
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Still going to AD-anon?
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| 14:48 | "Hi, My name's Chuck, and I've been AD free for 5 years" :)
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| 14:48 | <cliebow> bieb, so much has changed ..yeah AD-anon..but i never was much hooked
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| 14:48 | weee!
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| 14:48 | <bieb> Yayyyy Chuck!!
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| 14:48 | <-- not hooked at all.. just what has been in place here prior to me...
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| 14:49 | Hell.. I prefer eDirectory to AD.. :D
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> Wow, sitting out on the deck of an evening with a tea, (or something stronger, perchance) with that view? Man.
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| 14:49 | <cliebow> We will have to give it a whirl in October..
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| 14:50 | <bieb> sbalneav: will get nooo work done this afternoon.. just drooling over pic and view
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> I'm going to freaking INSIST on it.
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| 14:50 | <cliebow> Awesome!!!
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| 14:51 | <bieb> cliebow: will BTS have stuff for noobs?? or is it more of the programmers side?
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| 14:51 | <matttttt> anyone know the answer to my question above? :) I don't have any pictures of this view or I'd chime in
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> matttttt: do you actually have the "=10.16.200.55 kiwiservertype=tftp " in a seperate line, as it shows on pastebot?
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| 14:51 | <matttttt> nah, that's just wrapping from my small putty session
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| 14:51 | it's one line
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| 14:51 | <cliebow> bieb: al lthat is required is a little elbow practice begore you come
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> And why IPAPPEND 2?
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| 14:52 | 2 nics?
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| 14:52 | <matttttt> yeah, it has two nics.
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| 14:52 | <bieb> I can curl the pint glass just perfectly
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| 14:52 | <matttttt> dunno, that's suse default for all labels
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| 14:53 | <cliebow> biebit is a wonderful fun group..bring your questions..a laptop..
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> matttttt: try putting break=init or init=/bin/bash or something to see what's going on inside the initramfs. It's totally kiwi specific, I don't think you'll be able to get help here...
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| 14:53 | <cliebow> and au revoir..see you tomorrow
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| 14:53 | <bieb> cliebow: is there a website with the info yet?
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| 14:54 | <matttttt> alk, ok. break=init seems useful.
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| 14:54 | can someone answer (seems not suse specific) how ltsp knows which tftp server to use after the kernel boots? I.e, is it getting it as a kernel parameter or looking for next-server= from dhcp again?
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| 14:54 | how do other distros do it?
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| 14:55 | seems like if it works when booting initially (with my thin client's bios based dhcp client to get the kernel/initrd), the second one should work too.
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> Ubuntu looks at the next-server again
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| 14:58 | <matttttt> hmm, i don't get what passing it in pxelinux/default is even for the n
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ltsp-server-pnp works fine for me now automatically for either 1-nic or multiple-nic environments... is there any possibility for it to go upstream? I'll be maintaining it for the next foreseeable years...
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i haven't had a chance to look at it, but it sounds great. i'd be happy to include it upstream if i can think of a good way to do so.
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> If I can do anything to help make it happen, I'll have lots of time in the summer, I'll probably be able to do whatever it takes (just don't know what is that)
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| 15:23 | It's really small anyway (6 kb), just an autoconfiguration script, it's dnsmasq that does the bulk of the work...
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> sure. i just haven't had the chance to even look at it
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| 15:43 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: ahoy
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| 15:54 | <stgraber> hey Q-FUNK
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| 15:55 | <Q-FUNK> hey
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| 15:55 | <stgraber> going back home, will be there in 30 min or so
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| 16:13 | <stgraber> Q-FUNK: ok, I'm back :)
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| 16:18 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 16:20 | <stgraber> ogra: still around ?
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| 16:20 | <ogra> stgraber, yes, and still busy in a conf call
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| 16:21 | <stgraber> ogra: was just wondering, is the change from -o move to -o bind something that'd break jaunty or would that work in all cases ?
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| 16:21 | <ogra> it would work in all cases, its just ugly
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| 16:22 | dont put it into jaunty
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| 16:22 | keep the whole thing as a karmic-only-one-shot-distro patch
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| 16:22 | only for A2
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| 16:23 | hopefully the .31 kernel will have proper unionfs support
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| 16:23 | <stgraber> ok, currently I'm putting all your changes inside ifs so it won't break jaunty (as I backport all upload to karmic in my PPA)
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| 16:23 | <ogra> unionfs-fuse ia major crap
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| 16:23 | *is
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| 16:23 | dont use it
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| 16:23 | <stgraber> yeah, I saw that :)
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| 16:24 | <ogra> its ok to get a testing env up for a"
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| 16:24 | <stgraber> hmm, I guess that I also need to depend on unionfs-fuse for Karmic then ...
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| 16:24 | <ogra> A2
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| 16:24 | right
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| 16:35 | <stgraber> ogra: I made a plugin for ltsp-build-client checking if DIST is karmic and if so install unionfs-fuse and run update-initramfs
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| 16:35 | ogra: that way the package should still work fine for jaunty :)
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| 16:35 | <ogra> no
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| 16:35 | <stgraber> and all changes are done as extra files so extremely easy to revert
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| 16:35 | ogra: why ?
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| 16:35 | <ogra> unless you are sure unionfs-fuse is on the CD
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| 16:36 | <stgraber> argh, right, that, 2s checking the manifest
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| 16:36 | <ogra> if you are sure about that, this will work indeed
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| 16:36 | else you need a dep
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| 16:36 | <stgraber> argh, I'll need too dep on it ...
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| 16:37 | *to
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| 16:37 | <ogra> right
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| 16:37 | you can drop that again
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| 16:37 | just a one shot A2 thing (hopefully)
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| 16:45 | <stgraber> ogra: btw, the same issue appears for the ldm themes as I no longer depend on them, I'm discussing that with steve
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i suspect you could sync ltspfs from debian unstable, unless you've got plans for more changes
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| 17:06 | <stgraber> vagrantc: good, I'll request the sync
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| 17:06 | <ogra> did you make changes again ?
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| 17:06 | <stgraber> did you do any change on your side or is that a regular 0.5.12 ?
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| 17:06 | <ogra> you nasty nasty boy :P
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| 17:06 | keep it as it is ! its *stable* !!!
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| 17:07 | :)
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| 17:07 | <stgraber> well 0.5.11 wasn't in some cases, 0.5.12 is a lot better (haven't had any issue with it yet)
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| 17:07 | <ogra> pfft, its stable since 0.5.0 :)
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| 17:08 | you guys just added stuff like localapps
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| 17:09 | <stgraber> well, for rdesktop 0.5.11 had a crasher that was causing us some issue :) 0.5.12 is what we have in production and works just fine.
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| 17:09 | <ogra> yeah, rdesktop, localapps ...
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| 17:09 | as i said, it was stable ... you just added new features :)
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> stgraber: yeah, 0.5.12 was just a straight upload for me. just grabbed your tarball and added a changelog entry.
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| 17:13 | <stgraber> ok, sync request sent
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| 17:14 | though requestsync doesn't handle ACLs ... I'll have to comment that I have upload right for it and so don't need sponsorship, I just need an archive admin to do it :)
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| 17:19 | <hgrover> Hi everybody, I'm having a problem with blinking cursors on thin client boot. Restarting nbd-server normally fixes the problem, but I've heard it's a bug with ltsp in Jaunty. Is there any workaround?
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| 21:46 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:54 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 21:59 | <jammcq> hey warren
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| 21:59 | <warren> ogra: Hey, are you involved at all in the Canonical Virtual Bridges stuff?
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| 21:59 | ogra: seems like a next-gen LTSP thing?
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| 21:59 | jammcq: hey
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| 22:00 | jammcq: I'm not dead, just working on other projects now, soon releasing another major release of LTSP-based Fedora.
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> oh cool
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| 22:00 | anything we can talk about at FISL in 2 weeks?
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| 22:00 | <warren> jammcq: kind of considering it "feature complete", there isn't much more we can do
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| 22:00 | no
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| 22:00 | nothing new at all
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