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Channel log from 4 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:03 | <daduke> !seen vagrantc
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| 01:03 | <daduke> !seen ogra_cmpc
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| 01:03 | <ltspbot`> daduke: ogra_cmpc was last seen in #ltsp 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <ogra_cmpc> !debian
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| 01:09 | <johnny> daduke, are you involved in ltsp devel in some fashion? or support? or something else?
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| 01:09 | you sure look for those guys alot
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| 01:13 | <hari_> hi ogra_cmpc : i have installed new proprietary driver in chroot for ltsp. but have some problem during installation. when i installed fglrx kernel source i got message that /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/build not found. How to get that directory into chroot since it's already in normal filesystem? regards..
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| 01:15 | <daduke> johnny: I'm what I would call 'advanced user'. From time to time I find an issue or two to be discussed with the big shots
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| 01:17 | <muh2000_> the geode package isnt releases yet, is it?
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| 01:17 | for debian sid /xorg
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| 01:27 | <Pascal_Debian> salut !
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| 01:29 | <daduke> Pascal_Debian: salut!
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| 01:32 | <Pascal_Debian> are you fine ?
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| 01:33 | <daduke> Pascal_Debian: me? I am indeed. how about you?
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| 01:35 | <Pascal_Debian> really fine
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| 02:35 | <daduke> vagrantc: howdy. I just finished a Makefile that generates a 219M iso that turns any hw supported PC into an LTSP terminal.
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| 02:36 | <vagrantc> daduke: why a Makefile ?
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| 02:36 | <vagrantc> daduke: but other than that, very cool! :)
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| 02:36 | <daduke> vagrantc: why not? it's a convenient way to combine all needed commands
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| 02:36 | <johnny> ok.. got some work done tonight... yay
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| 02:36 | published in my personal bzr overlay
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| 02:37 | err branch.. the overlay is in git..
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| 02:37 | <vagrantc> daduke: seems like an ltsp-build-client plugin or separate command would be better ...
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| 02:38 | <yanu> how can i make sure that the session-choise stays remimberd
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| 02:38 | <johnny> sleep time for now
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| 02:38 | <yanu> i always have to chose a session before logging in with ldm?
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| 02:39 | <daduke> vagrantc: well for me a Makefile is just perfect. If you want to make a plugin out of it, be my guest ;)
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| 02:39 | vagrantc: I'm gonna apply some polish now, then I'll be happy to share
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| 04:51 | <muh2000> hi
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| 04:58 | <daduke> muh2000: hey. geode working now?
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| 04:58 | <muh2000> daduke: no :(
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| 04:58 | <daduke> muh2000: etch? why not?
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| 04:58 | <muh2000> neither etch nor sid
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| 04:59 | <daduke> muh2000: we have 20+ alixes here.... all working fine
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| 04:59 | <muh2000> when i try to start x with a driver it goes back to the login screen and the screen blinks
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| 04:59 | hmm
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| 05:00 | <ogra_cmpc> but you see the login screen ?
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| 05:00 | <muh2000> ogra_cmpc: console login screen. not a x login screen
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| 05:00 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 05:01 | <daduke> muh2000: and which driver are you using?
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| 05:01 | <muh2000> daduke: i tried amd geode nsc vesa vga
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| 05:02 | <daduke> muh2000: did you try mine?
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| 05:05 | <muh2000> daduke: yes. did not work :(
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| 05:06 | <daduke> muh2000: this is weird. I use a plain vanilla ltsp-created etch chroot, copy the amd driver and off we go.
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| 05:07 | <muh2000> the configure-x script does not seem to work too. when i execute it al it shows a curser doing nothing
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| 05:08 | <laga> muh2000: it temporarily starts X -configure, then it writes a xorg.conf. in ubuntu at least.
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| 05:08 | <daduke> muh2000: are you explicitly giving XSERVER = amd in lts.conf? configure-x doesn't know about amd I think
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| 05:09 | <muh2000> daduke: when i try configure-x it is without xserver=amd
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| 05:11 | <daduke> muh2000: my setup also uses configure-x to generate xorg.conf, I have xserver=amd in lts.conf and it's just working fine
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| 05:12 | muh2000: what does your xorg.conf look like on the alix?
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| 05:12 | <muh2000> daduke: nothing special. i edited it now with vi.
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| 05:13 | hmmm no use :/
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| 05:41 | <vagrantc> so, i need to figure out how to support multi-seat stuff with a single monitor.
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| 05:41 | some crazy nested X server thing or something
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| 05:41 | <laga> vagrantc: i've got a multiseat setup, so let me know if you need a pointer or two..
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| 05:41 | <vagrantc> laga: with multiple monitors ?
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| 05:41 | <laga> vagrantc: two VGA cards, two monitors.
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| 05:42 | <vagrantc> laga: yeah, the craziest part of this is needing to fit two seats at a single desk... and two small monitors will be harder to find and take up more space than one large one.
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| 05:43 | <laga> oh, i didn't know you were worried about the seats.
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| 05:43 | i solved that problem by added a couch for the second VGA cards (it's in fact driving my TV ;))
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| 05:43 | <vagrantc> it's a physical space issue
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| 05:43 | <laga> ah
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| 05:43 | <vagrantc> limited physical space in a school
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| 05:44 | <laga> i thought you were talking about a dev environment
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| 05:47 | <vagrantc> nope
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| 05:47 | :)
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| 05:47 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, do you have any clues about the debian-edu package ?
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| 05:48 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: could you be more specific? :)
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| 05:49 | <ogra_cmpc> its FTBFS in ubuntu, so i had to take a look ... whats all that edubuntu stuff doing in there ?
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| 05:49 | <vagrantc> ah, not sure on that.
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| 05:49 | <ogra_cmpc> (despite being totally nonsense its also totally broken, what do you do with the CD .list files ?)
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| 05:50 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: how much sense does it make to have on ubuntu ?
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| 05:50 | <ogra_cmpc> they dont list anything usable for desktop cds for example (only the d-i bits used for isolinux to boot that thing)
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| 05:50 | vagrantc, i heard people like things like the -astronomy package
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| 05:51 | but given that you use cfengine its very likely to break ubuntu policies (i.e. no conffile prompts on upgardes)
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| 05:51 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: at any rate, i'm not real familiar with the debian-edu packages, but i'm in good position to pass bug reports on :)
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| 05:52 | <ogra_cmpc> i didnt look at it for ages, but now a colleague tries to fix the ftbfs ... not sure what to do here, my gut feeling would be removal but i dont want to be chaqnsed by upset users
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| 05:52 | *chased down
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| 05:54 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: basically, debian bug #311188 is getting close to being closed.
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| 05:55 | <ogra_cmpc> whats #311188 about ?
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| 05:55 | <yanu> are there problems with 'intel 82810E'?
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| 05:55 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: #311188
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| 05:55 | debian-edu-config: Messes "programmatically" with conffiles of other packages
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| 05:55 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 05:55 | <yanu> every time i load a internetpage from my webserver with a great load of pictures, than X crashes
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| 05:55 | <ogra_cmpc> how did you get around it ?
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| 05:55 | <yanu> i already changed from nbd to nfs, no help there
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| 05:55 | <ogra_cmpc> yanu, thats very likely a firefox bug
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| 05:56 | <yanu> ogra_cmpc: no, konqueror does the same thing, epi... also
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| 05:56 | <ogra_cmpc> yanu, you are using something younger than firefox 3 i guess
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| 05:56 | <yanu> ya
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| 05:56 | <ogra_cmpc> epi is just a different frontend for firefox ...
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| 05:57 | not sure why konqueror would crash though
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| 05:57 | <yanu> konqueror uses khtml
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| 05:57 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: mostly by working with package maintainers to make messing with their conffiles not necessary.
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| 05:57 | ogra_cmpc: i.e. through use of debconf questions, conf.d type stuff, etc.
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| 05:57 | ogra_cmpc: or switching to things that support programmatic configuration
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| 05:57 | <yanu> when i connect directly with my laptop, everything is fine though
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| 05:57 | <ogra_cmpc> its a known fact that the older firefox blindly writes to Xs pixbuf cache, no matter if there is space or not
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| 05:58 | that makes X riun out of ram and hardlocks the clients
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| 05:58 | <yanu> only on terminals?
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| 05:59 | X only crashes when logging in on a terminal (ldm, nfs or nbd) on a server upgraded from edgy over fiesty to hardy
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| 06:00 | the problem was also on edgy
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| 06:00 | <laga> what about gutsy? ;)
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| 06:00 | <yanu> on my debian that is my test-webserver , the problem doesn't exists
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| 06:00 | <ogra_cmpc> which firefox version ?
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| 06:01 | firefox 2 had the problem all over
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| 06:01 | <yanu> 2.0.0.13 on debian
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| 06:01 | <ogra_cmpc> its known and has been heavily discussed for months on the edubuntu mailing list
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| 06:01 | (and is definately fixed in ff3)
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| 06:02 | <yanu> so i have to install ff3 ?
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| 06:02 | hmm is that even possible on gutsy?
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| 06:23 | <yanu> ogra_cmpc: installed firefox3 , started the terminal, same crash
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| 06:24 | ogra_cmpc: so it is not a firefoxbug
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| 06:24 | <ogra_cmpc> well, there is a firefox bug, but it might be that its not what causes you crash actually
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| 06:24 | what graphics HW do your clients have ?
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| 06:25 | <yanu> inter 82810E
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| 06:25 | i see in .xsession-error something like this:
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| 06:25 | can't lock memory: Cannot allocate memoryWARNING: net using secure memory for passwords
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| 06:28 | but that has something to do with seahorse-agent
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| 06:36 | <vagrantc_> ogra_cmpc: so, your ltsp-client-builder udeb gets somewhat meaningful results from the progress bar now ?
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| 06:36 | <ogra_cmpc> no
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| 06:36 | it does for the image build steap
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| 06:37 | but still not for ltsp-build-client (which i call with --skipimage)
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| 06:37 | <vagrantc_> sep and are are thinking a little of how to maybe get some progress ...
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| 06:37 | <ogra_cmpc> tricky
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| 06:37 | i tried for weeks and gave up again
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| 06:37 | (in several releases)
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| 06:38 | <vagrantc_> right...
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| 06:38 | <ogra_cmpc> debconf doesnt work if you run more than one instance stacked
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| 06:38 | sadly there are three ...
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| 06:39 | <vagrantc_> and we can't redirect stdout on ltsp-build-client to a file we could parse?
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| 06:39 | <ogra_cmpc> and two of them claim the frontend already
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| 06:39 | thats darn ugly
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| 06:39 | nothing i would merge
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| 06:39 | <vagrantc_> ogra_cmpc: not that you give me the option to merge it :P
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| 06:39 | <ogra_cmpc> do it properly with the passthrough frontend and file descriptors
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| 06:40 | <vagrantc_> problem is, we don't really have any sort of progress reporting for ltsp-build-client itself ...
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| 06:40 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 06:40 | <ogra_cmpc> the prob is that you have a chroot inside a chroot
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| 06:40 | <vagrantc_> i've sometimes thought if it could output some marker each time a plugin is loaded, that would be helpful..
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| 06:41 | <ogra_cmpc> either that or know the final target size and do an occasional df -h on the target dir
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| 06:41 | <vagrantc_> that seems uglier yet ...
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| 06:42 | * vagrantc_ ponders a ltsp-build-client --number-of-plugins option | |
| 06:43 | <vagrantc_> would have to hook into load_plugins function ... which would then also need to log which plugins it loaded ...
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| 06:44 | <ogra_cmpc> like debug you mean ?
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| 06:44 | <vagrantc_> yeah, basically like debug ... but i think it would be easier if it logged to a separate file rather than just stdout
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| 06:44 | <ogra_cmpc> right
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| 06:44 | make a --debug-log
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| 06:45 | <vagrantc_> nice.
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| 06:45 | <ogra_cmpc> and just trhow that into /tmp/ltsp-debug.log or so
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| 06:45 | <vagrantc_> well, /var/log/ltsp-build-client.log, maybe
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| 06:45 | <ogra_cmpc> configurable with --logfile if you feel the urge for configurability :)
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| 06:46 | i wouldnt log to /var/log from the installer ... move it to /target/var/log/installer at the end rather
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| 06:46 | * vagrantc_ tends to get that urge and sometimes gets bitten by it | |
| 06:46 | <vagrantc_> ogra_cmpc: well, ltsp-build-client is run within /target already
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| 06:46 | <ogra_cmpc> i know :) thats why i mentioned it :)
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| 06:47 | as much as i love to hardcode default cases you are liking to configure the world .. thats why we make such a good coding team ;)
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| 06:47 | <vagrantc_> heh
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| 06:51 | hmmm... --debug doesn't work soon enough.
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| 06:51 | <ogra_cmpc> to get a progress bar ?
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| 06:51 | come on
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| 06:52 | <vagrantc_> well, probably will work soon enough for that, but it kicks in too late in general
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| 06:52 | <ogra_cmpc> its better than having it sit at 50% for half an hour surely
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| 06:52 | <vagrantc_> indeed, i'm just noticing something i noticed before ... that debug doesn't kick in as soon as i'd like.
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| 06:53 | <ogra_cmpc> http://gumptravels.blogspot.com/2008/04/installing-ubuntu-804-ltsp-or-edubuntu.html
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| 06:53 | * ogra_cmpc smiles | |
| 06:57 | <vagrantc_> hrm.
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| 07:50 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 07:56 | <debaya1> Hi everyone
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| 07:56 | i am Debayan from India
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| 07:56 | i am having trouble installing kiwi ltsp
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| 07:57 | anyone here affiliated to kiwi-ltsp??
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| 07:57 | http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in/debayan/kiwi.txt
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| 07:57 | here is the output
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| 07:59 | <debaya1> cyberorg: you there? please help me out
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| 08:01 | <cyberorg> debaya1, you need 32bit DVD or iso to create image
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| 08:01 | what media are you using?
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| 08:02 | <debaya1> ya i have 32 bit unzipped iso opensuse 10.3
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| 08:02 | in a folder
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| 08:02 | and i am using yast2 in the source type in /etc/sysconfig
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| 08:02 | <cyberorg> why unzipped iso?
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| 08:02 | <debaya1> i mean mount -o loop -t iso9660
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| 08:02 | not unzipped
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| 08:02 | sorry
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| 08:02 | <cyberorg> just mount the DVD iso somewhere
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| 08:03 | <debaya1> ya i did
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| 08:03 | its mounted only....
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| 08:03 | <cyberorg> debaya1, it might be damaged, or is not 32bit DVD5 media, promo DVD, retail DVD or other media will not work
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| 08:04 | <debaya1> hmmm
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| 08:04 | explain to me these lines
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| 08:04 | Apr-04 18:03:47 <1> : Setting RPM signature check to: False failed Apr-04 18:03:48 <3> : chroot: cannot run command `smart': No such file or directory Apr-04 18:03:48 <3> : Image installation failed failed
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| 08:04 | i have smart installed
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> debaya1, bad installation media
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| 08:04 | <debaya1> okok
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> smart is not installed in chroot
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| 08:05 | <debaya1> how do i do it?
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| 08:05 | <cyberorg> debaya1, kiwi will do it, if you have correct installation source
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| 08:05 | 32 bit DVD5 iso
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| 08:05 | <debaya1> ok
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| 08:05 | i will see
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| 08:06 | tell me another thing please
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| 08:06 | after i download the prebuilt image... i will wget it
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| 08:06 | what do i do with it??
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| 08:06 | where do i copy?
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| 08:06 | <cyberorg> debaya1, it is rpm, just install it
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| 08:07 | <debaya1> o ok
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| 08:07 | i thought i had to copy it into some directory
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| 08:07 | cool
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| 08:08 | ok i wanted to know.... why is it not integrated into openSUSE?
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| 08:08 | who decides what goes into the openSUSE distro?
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| 09:02 | <daduke> vagrantc, ogra_cmpc, Gadi: in case anyone's interested: https://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/241 describes how to create USB and CD live images that turn any machine into an LTSP client
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| 09:05 | <vagrantc> daduke: ah, you're using live-helper from debian-live ?
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| 09:05 | <daduke> vagrantc: I do.
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| 09:06 | <Guaraldo> daduke: WOW!!! Nice...
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| 09:06 | <vagrantc> daduke: so you skip ltsp-build-client entirely?
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| 09:06 | <daduke> vagrantc: indeed.
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| 09:06 | Guaraldo: thanks.
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| 09:07 | <vagrantc> daduke: makes me wonder if it could be incorporated into debian-live's flavours or whatever they're called.
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| 09:08 | <daduke> vagrantc: I don't know them, but yes, why not. note that lts.conf is hardwired tho..
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc> daduke: yeah, i see a fair bit of hard-coding :)
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| 09:08 | <daduke> vagrantc: whatever is takes to get it running.
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> daduke: sure :)
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| 09:09 | having something codified at all makes it possible to generalize later :)
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| 09:12 | daduke: i';m curious why you used ltsp-client-core instead of ltsp-client ... ?
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| 09:12 | * gvy back | |
| 09:13 | <daduke> vagrantc: I think -client pulls -core, doesn't it? I probably might just as well have used -client
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> daduke: yes, ltsp-client depends on ltsp-client-core and a number of other packages ... the only thing would be if ltsp-client depends on more packages than you actually way
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| 09:13 | s,way,want
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| 09:14 | <daduke> vagrantc: let's say it was not on purpose. it's working and the image is reasonably small (180M). I could try and see what else gets added
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> daduke: ok.
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| 09:15 | daduke: very nice. might include it in the ltsp-server docs with a little bit of cleanup or something
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| 09:16 | <daduke> vagrantc: sure thing. let me know if I can improve anything.
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> daduke: would have to include a debian free software guidelines compatible liscense, of course :)
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| 09:17 | <daduke> vagrantc: in the Makefile?
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> daduke: whatever source code, yes.
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| 09:19 | * daduke sometimes wonders if he's too pragmatic for all this license mumbo jumbo.... | |
| 09:19 | <daduke> vagrantc: <include GPL> won't do?
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> it is insanity that we've found some novel workarounds (i.e. free liscenses)... but to be in debian it must have those workarounds
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| 09:21 | the problem is copyright, free software liscenses are the magic that turns copyright on it's head.
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| 09:21 | at least, that's my thoughts on the matter.
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| 09:21 | <daduke> vagrantc: all right. tell me exactly what to do and I'll do it. deal?
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| 09:22 | <vagrantc> daduke: i typically include a two-line header ...
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| 09:23 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "copyright snippet" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/496
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| 09:23 | <vagrantc> daduke: that's what i usually use.
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| 09:24 | <daduke> vagrantc: thanks. I'll include it right away
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| 09:24 | <vagrantc> it's short enough, that i just keep a copyright of that around and include it whenever i do something new...
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| 09:26 | s,copyright,copy,g
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| 09:26 | heh.
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| 09:26 | <daduke> vagrantc: like it better now?
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| 09:28 | <Blinny> Is there a 'perfect' LTSP5 thin client that I could buy in batches of 10-30, that is strong enough to do DIRECTX ssh encryption, has enough RAM to do flash/FF browsing without running into XRAMPERC ceilings, and doesn't need special video drivers or xorg.conf entries to just work?
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| 09:29 | <even> hi, i'm using ltsp5 with xfce4 in ubuntu7.10 but the server disks are showing ini file management. how can i hide then!?
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| 09:29 | <vagrantc> Blinny: DIRECTX *disables* ssh encryption
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| 09:29 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Well, the one where it's on. (;
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| 09:29 | <vagrantc> just wanted to make that clear
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| 09:30 | <Blinny> Thanks.
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| 09:32 | <Blinny> Doesn't Jim or Gadi's company sell thin clients?
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| 09:34 | <jammcq> DisklessWorkstations.com sells thin clients. i was one of the founders, but I'm no longer with that company
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| 09:34 | still.... a great place to buy thin clients
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| 09:36 | <Blinny> jammcq: I dig the T1225 I have, but have a lot of headaches with K12v6 (ltsp4.2) -- I need to test it a good bit more on Hardy/LTSP5
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: if you get a chance, it would be really valuable to get your ltsp-ubuntu-packaging branch, as i'd like to at least merge the udeb changes before i start making changes.
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| 09:37 | ogra_cmpc: otherwise, i'll grab the udeb stuff from the ubuntu package ... i guess we may have to do that anyways, as there's a fair number of differences in packaging anyways
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| 09:37 | i.e. merges are pretty likely to conflict in unresolveable ways
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| 09:41 | <daduke> vagrantc: I'm outta here. back on Monday.
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| 09:41 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 09:41 | * daduke waves back | |
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| 09:54 | <warren> yum.... cilantro jalapeno hummus
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| 09:57 | * vagrantc 's next ldm upload will actually use "make install" | |
| 10:01 | <cliebow> yummm
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| 10:08 | <vagrantc> warren, cyberorg, johnny, dberkholz, gvy: if any of you have ltspfs working with the default udev rules, i'm wondering if you would mind me using a simplified set of rules
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| 10:08 | <gvy> vagrantc, relaying to led...
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| 10:08 | <vagrantc> i don't know how different various distro's udev implementations are
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| 10:09 | <gvy> vagrantc, could you post that set somewhere then?
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| 10:09 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, 88-ltsp.rules works for me
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| 10:09 | <vagrantc> because i'd like to call cdpinger directly from udev, but debian's been using it's own set of rules
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| 10:10 | <gvy> vagrantc, led tells he's written custom rules (and still uses ancient ltspfs packaged by me from 4.2 cvs)
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltspfs/ltspfs-debian-packaging/annotate/vagrant%40freegeek.org-20080326113614-fqkwfzi4ot4kgrot?file_id=88ltsp.rules-20061209222018-pfo3ctskv61vijdc-1
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| 10:10 | gvy: ah, ok. so y'all aren't really using upstream ltspfs...
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| 10:11 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, where is cdpinger there?
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> it's not there yet
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| 10:12 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, ok, go ahead and add your improvements, if it doesn't work out well, we can always roll back :)
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| 10:12 | <vagrantc> but since it changes all the other rules, i want to make sure those work for people before moving them upstream.
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| 10:12 | it *will* have the effect of no mounting non-removable hard-drives
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| 10:12 | true enough
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| 10:13 | <cyberorg> what other rules are affected?
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| 10:13 | <vagrantc> it's done differently. i *think* it should still work for everyone, but i'm not sure and am just trying to make sure i don't put anyone in a bad position
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| 10:14 | originally went that direction because the upstream rules didn't work.
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| 10:14 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, let us try it out
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| 10:14 | what are the advantages?
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| 10:15 | <vagrantc> upstream udev worked for ubuntu, but not for debian at one point. no idea if upstream works on debian now. i think the rules are a little simpler and easier to read.
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| 10:16 | <vagrantc> looks like upstream is missing the floppy rules
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| 10:17 | <cyberorg> yeah
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: floppy drives work for you using upstream?
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| 10:17 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, i don't have any to test :P
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 10:18 | <cyberorg> are people still using floppy?
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| 10:18 | i've not seen one in almost 5 years
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 10:20 | <gvy> cyberorg, i even got 5.25" drive in my home system!
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| 10:20 | (eh, data cable's not really plugged in but it fits)
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| 10:20 | and a zip -- unused these days too
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| 10:21 | so rather testbeds
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| 10:21 | <cyberorg> gvy, ah, weather in india is not very suitable for floppies, they go bad real quick
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| 10:22 | <gvy> cyberorg, well if somebody needs to test against those, i can probably arrange ssh and act a bit like floppy-changer :)
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| 10:22 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, i guess there is no harm in making things simpler
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| 10:22 | * gvy didn't hold 8" floppies in hands | |
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> vagrantc: thats along the lines of what I do to get unpartitioned usb sticks working: I bang on add_fstab_entry with more devices, and if it is /dev/sda, I add it until I get a /dev/sda? at which point I remove /dev/sda
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| 10:33 | hackish but effective
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 10:58 | <turkil> hi configure my server of LTSP
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| 10:58 | but I have PXE-E79: NBP is too big
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| 10:58 | Have any solution please?
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| 10:59 | sorry form my bad english
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| 11:05 | <david__> heya, ive got a thin client running, but i cant get the graphics above 800x600... any ideas? i think tis an ati 3d rage pro card. and a neoware thin client
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| 11:05 | ta!
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> turkil: here's someone with the same problem way back in 2003! http://osdir.com/ml/linux.terminal-server.general/2003-07/msg00478.html
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| 11:16 | amazing how much info is out there on the internet
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| 11:17 | <cliebow> hrhr
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| 11:24 | <gvy> david__, you might want to figure out the driver used (might be vesa?) or bit depth (might be 24/32 bpp and then not enough videoram, like 2/4M or so)
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| 11:25 | Gadi, as they say "are you banned from google?" ;-)
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| 11:32 | <david__> gvy: i had it wokring before, on kubuntu feisty but after the gutsy upgradew its not hving it :( how would i set the bit depth?
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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| 11:33 | in your lts.conf (which should now be in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> create it, if not there, and be sure to make it like usual: [default]....
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| 11:34 | <johnny_> hi!
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| 11:35 | <johnny_> dberkholz, lemme know when you're alive
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| 11:45 | * johnny_ wonders who is awake | |
| 11:45 | <johnny_> and/or alive
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| 11:47 | <cliebow> alive but brain dead..8~)
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| 11:47 | <david__> hey soryr, im doing two thigns at once
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| 11:48 | i set the bit depth to 16 and same problem. the driver is set to AUTO, could that be a problem?
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| 11:49 | <johnny_> i just want people to see my script so far ..
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| 11:59 | <gvy> johnny_, put it up somewhere and say "lo and behold"? :)
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| 12:00 | david__, well it could auto down to vesa...
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| 12:00 | try "ati"?
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| 12:04 | <david__> gvy: is there any way to tell which has been loaded? trying that now
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| 12:06 | <gvy> david__, if you have set e.g. root password in chroot you can try to log in locally
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| 12:06 | on a console
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| 12:06 | and see what driver is loaded according to /var/log/Xorg.*.log
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> david__: "auto" is the same as the default, but "AUTO" may attempt to use a non-existant driver called "AUTO"
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| 12:08 | * vagrantc prefers using SCREEN_NN=shell to setting a root password | |
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| 12:12 | <david__> thanks! what do i need to grep the x log file for? its kinda huge!
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| 12:13 | ahh ok
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| 12:14 | <gvy> david__, umm... a minute
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| 12:14 | well if the tail's all in VESA(0) then it's "vesa"
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> or simply: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 12:15 | <johnny_> it is up
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| 12:15 | <gvy> Gadi, i've heard that there's no xorg.conf by default in gutsy so decided to suggest log as more permanent thing :)
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:15 | <gvy> david__, grep Loading /var/log/Xorg*log
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> no, gutsy still generates one by default, it hink
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| 12:15 | er think
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| 12:15 | <gvy> ah
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| 12:16 | * Gadi is a big fan of conf files | |
| 12:16 | * gvy too | |
| 12:16 | * Gadi recognizes he is in the minority | |
| 12:16 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:17 | <gvy> Gadi, eh... let's sing together "artifical intelligence is good in the abscence of natural one!" ;-)
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> lol
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| 12:17 | <david__> tehres an Xorg.1.log file :)
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> david__: that gets created by the configuration script
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| 12:18 | ie, xorg gets launched twice
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| 12:18 | first on :1
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| 12:18 | second on the real screen
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| 12:18 | <gvy> in fact, led@ is finishing extending xconf, a utility using libxorgconfig, regarding "Load $module" and several other features
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| 12:18 | had to fix libxorgconfig by the way either
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| 12:18 | <david__> ok it loads a wholeee bunch o stuff :)
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| 12:18 | <gvy> they wouldn't grok "Disable $module" :)
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| 12:19 | david__, grep Loading.*drv /var/log/Xorg*log
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| 12:19 | <david__> yup still loads
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| 12:20 | there are 2 log files Xorg.1.log and Xorg.6.log
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| 12:20 | which do i want?
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> .6.
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| 12:21 | <david__> alright theres a lot less lets see
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| 12:22 | ati_drv is loaded
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| 12:22 | and atimisc_drv
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| 12:22 | is that ok?
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| 12:22 | <gvy> hm... should be
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| 12:22 | <david__> boo :(
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| 12:22 | <gvy> though if it's 6.8.0 (and xorg-7.3) i won't wonder it's using its AI
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| 12:23 | <david__> anything i can do then?
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| 12:23 | <gvy> to blow out yours :(
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> david__: pastebot the log
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| 12:23 | <gvy> try xrandr -s 1024x768
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 12:23 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:23 | <david__> hmm im not sure how to paste it off the thin client login screen?
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> you can scp it from the client to the server
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| 12:23 | <david__> ok
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| 12:24 | <gvy> first, you cut off thin client's login screen with thin scissors... 8)
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| 12:24 | <david__> :D if only
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| 12:25 | <david__> im getting permission denied when i try and scp it over... :(
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> scp <file> user@server:
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| 12:26 | <david__> yeha thats what im doing
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| 12:26 | hmm hang on
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| 12:26 | ahh it didnt like my tilde
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| 12:26 | ok
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| 12:27 | <ltsppbot> "david__" pasted "cant get my ati based thin client working" (667 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/497
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> looks like DDC's not working
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| 12:28 | add the following to your lts.conf:
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| 12:28 | X_VERTREFRESH = "60-85"
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| 12:28 | X_HORZSYNC = "30-100"
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| 12:28 | and reboot
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> whose crappy thin client is that again?
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| 12:31 | ;)
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| 12:36 | <gvy> Gadi, well, neoware is crappy and dirt expensive :-/
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| 12:36 | * gvy recently gave up on moaning that there's no sense in buying 25 HP/Neoware TCs with XPe licenses | |
| 12:37 | <gvy> the client's gov organization, the guy i work with didn't care, and someone else might have obviously cared enough...
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| 12:37 | Gadi, yeah, got ddc issues on that one too (VIA C7)
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| 12:38 | <david__> sorry again one sec
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| 12:47 | Gadi: out of range error. should i set a screen res in lts.conf too?
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| 12:47 | phone sorry, damn windows users :p
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| 12:50 | <david__> ah i got my neoware for £20 off ebay i think :)
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> david__: find out the specs for your monitor
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| 12:57 | the sync ranges should be set according to what the monitor can handle
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| 12:57 | or, stick with the ones I gave you, and set a res
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| 12:57 | with: X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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| 12:57 | or similar
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| 12:58 | DDC is used by the thin client to probe the monitor for the right values for *that* monitor
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| 12:58 | if DDC doesn't work ur left to set the parameters by hand
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| 12:58 | if you drive the monitor too hard, the monitor will complain
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| 12:58 | if you dont set wide enough ranges, you wont get the video resolutions/modes you want
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| 13:01 | <david__> Gadi: no idea on sync rnages, lost the manual a long time ago :( trying a reset now
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| 13:02 | <ltsppbot> "david__" pasted "current lts file" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/498
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| 13:02 | <gvy> david__, what's the monitor? 15" tft? 17" crt?
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| 13:02 | <david__> 17" tft
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| 13:02 | <gvy> should do 1280x1024 @60
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| 13:02 | <david__> oh sorry
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| 13:02 | #15"
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| 13:02 | <Guaraldo> I've got a server running LTSP4.2 and LTSP 5 together... :-D
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| 13:02 | <gvy> 1024x768 @60 then :)
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| 13:02 | <david__> alright :)
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| 13:03 | <gvy> Guaraldo, no big deal, i've recently stopped the vps with 4.2 :)
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| 13:03 | we run ltsp in openvz vps in the office
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| 13:03 | (4.2 was unused for almost a year but was hanging around :)
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| 13:04 | <david__> ok its got this error on screen. "out of range h:68khz v:85khz max 1280x1024"
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| 13:04 | does that help?
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| 13:04 | <gvy> david__, XREFHRESH 60
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| 13:04 | v:85hz is too much for tft
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| 13:04 | it's hz not khz btw
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| 13:04 | horizontal is khz...
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| 13:04 | <gvy> and pixel clock is mhz
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| 13:05 | usually
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| 13:05 | <david__> ah ok i got my dad to read it ;)
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| 13:05 | <gvy> mine crt at home does 300mhz bandwidth. :)
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> so, set X_VERTREFRESH = "60-60"
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| 13:05 | or some such
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| 13:05 | <david__> ok
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| 13:05 | <gvy> yup
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> and reboot
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| 13:05 | <gvy> refresh, reboot, reinstall
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| 13:05 | (not to be taken literally of course0
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| 13:06 | <david__> :D
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| 13:06 | do i want XREFHRESH 60 as well?
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| 13:07 | i didnt put that in
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> no
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| 13:07 | <david__> k
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| 13:07 | <gvy> david__, sry, was in hurry
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| 13:07 | <david__> no prob :)
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| 13:07 | are there any good ltsp books? someone should really write one :)
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| 13:08 | ah im getting out of range again
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> try setting: X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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| 13:08 | <cliebow> cant write fast enough to keep up..
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| 13:09 | <ltsppbot> "david__" pasted "current lts file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/499
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| 13:09 | <david__> its there
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| 13:09 | could there possibly be another file overriding it?
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> then drop the horzsync down
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| 13:09 | try: 30-60
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| 13:10 | (googling the monitor also helps :) )
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| 13:10 | er, googling for the monitor's manual
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| 13:10 | <david__> ahhh ok pretty no name chinese one tho
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> heh
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| 13:10 | <david__> are you here in 1.5 hours? starving and need to go get food :D
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> well, try 30-60
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| 13:11 | instead of 30-100
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| 13:11 | <david__> loadiung it wiht 30-60 now
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> that should cure things
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| 13:11 | <david__> takes a looong time to boot as well
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> 15" is pretty low
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| 13:11 | in LTSP 4.2, we had a default horzsync of 30-59 iirc
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| 13:11 | maybe 31-59
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| 13:12 | in LTSP 5 there is no default
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| 13:12 | as it is left up to the video driver
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| 13:13 | * gvy hands some nuts to david__ | |
| 13:13 | <gvy> almonds
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| 13:14 | <cliebow> cashoos
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| 13:14 | <david__> brillliant :D that workkkkssssssssssss
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| 13:14 | <david__> think theres any cahnce of getting the resolution higher? ;)
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| 13:14 | haha for another time
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| 13:15 | thanks so much :) time for beer and curry, back later ;)
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> take out X_MODE_0
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| 13:15 | that should make it use the highest one it can with those ranges
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| 13:15 | <david__> foooood then hacking :D ta!
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| 13:15 | ill put it on the wiki too i guess!
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| 13:27 | <gvy> david__, glad for you :)
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| 13:59 | <achandrashekar> Hi all. I have a dual ltsp setup with ldap/ltsp on one box and ldapclient/ltsp on the other. all other clients receive dhcpoffer by either server. Anyhow...when adding ldap accounts on the master...it takes an inordinate time in shell before i get the next prompt..as well some accounts take at least 3 mins to login in. Any ideas where the probmen may be? I looked at resolv.conf and hosts file and that part appears to
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| 13:59 | be correct...so not sure? Any help would be great.
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| 14:13 | <achandrashekar> anyone know off hand how to check the integrity of ltsp database?
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> ? ltsp doesnt have a database
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| 14:31 | <yanu> ogra_cmpc: i resized the pictures, no problem now
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| 14:49 | <achandrashekar> Gadi: sorry that was ldap
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| 14:49 | I mispoke..have like 3 things going on at the same time.
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| 14:51 | * jammcq fondly remembers the days of having only 3 things going on at the same time. ahhh, the good ole days | |
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| 15:13 | <IRCzito> Hi guys, how printers work on ltsp5?? nothing at ltsp_config...
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| 15:31 | <IRCzito> vagrantc: wath script on ltsp-client do 9100 up to do printes work?
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| 15:58 | <JeffATL> a bit OT: i have 3 NFS clients and one NFS server. 2 clients and the server are gig-E, 1 client is 100base-T. all clients are trying to write to the server in bursts; sometimes bursts from difft clients overlap. was worse with rsize/wsize >=2048. recommend mounting with -o async or nfsver=?
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| 16:00 | <JeffATL> oh - i forgot the primary symptom: "nfs: server 192.168.99.150 not responding, still trying" in dmesg; goes dead to the world for a bit, then recovers
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| 16:02 | that's dmesg on the clients, btw
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| 16:07 | <yanu> ogra_cmpc: i put 64Mb ram extra in the terminal, and now X doesn't crash anymore
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| 16:07 | ogra_cmpc: now 128Mb
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| 16:18 | <yanu> ogra_cmpc: glad it is solved ! thx for the help
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| 16:52 | <markit> hi, is it possible to have the thin client boot and then connect with vnc to a host automatically? (different from ltsp server)
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| 17:10 | <supreme> hi all
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| 17:11 | could somebody please recommend me a probed, guaranteed, perfect working and supported hardware for an edubuntu server?
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| 17:13 | Im able to buy a new server for a classroom working with edubuntu and 25 thin clients
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| 17:13 | <supreme> i must to know which hardware will be 100% supported by edubuntu working as terminal server
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| 17:33 | <supreme> hi ogra_cmpc
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| 17:33 | long time ago
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| 17:35 | have you ever used edubuntu 7.10 in a machine with thin clients?
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| 18:03 | <supreme> vagrantc, hi
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| 18:03 | <supreme> vagrantc1, hi
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| 18:04 | which system do you recommend me to use with ltsp5? do you recommend me edubuntu 7.10?
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc1> !bestltspdistro
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| 18:05 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc1: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
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| 18:06 | <supreme> ok, im using edubuntu 7.10, which hardware have you tried with it?
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| 18:06 | i mean, now im having problems with some intel mobo
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| 18:06 | and im looking for a tested hardware
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| 18:07 | tested with edubuntu 7.10 and some clients
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| 18:07 | since i have the money to buy a new server machine
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| 18:11 | vagrantc1, what do you think?
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| 18:21 | <supreme> m
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| 18:24 | somebody please can help me?
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| 18:26 | <johnny> as long as it is linux supported hardware, usually the biggest fastest machine you can buy is good
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| 18:26 | i just use whateer ic an cobble together
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| 18:27 | <supreme> johnny, i though the same but, i was having problems with some x86 standard pcs
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| 18:28 | <johnny> on servers?
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| 18:28 | <supreme> which hadrware have you tried for a server (mobo, etc..)?
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| 18:28 | <johnny> people have such problem on desktops.. but it's usually due to graphics/wifi issues
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| 18:28 | as i said.. whatever i can get :)
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| 18:28 | nothing specific
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| 18:29 | i just make sure the graphics are supported if necessary
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| 18:29 | <supreme> but in your experience, which one have you tried, i want to be sure it will work when i buy parts
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| 18:29 | <johnny> some random dell optiplex is what we're using now
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| 18:29 | with dual core amd64
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| 18:29 | 2GB ram
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| 18:29 | sata hd
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| 18:30 | <supreme> nice :)
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| 18:30 | which distro?
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| 18:30 | <johnny> ubuntu atm
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| 18:30 | <supreme> how many clients?
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| 18:30 | <johnny> only4
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| 18:30 | they are public terminals
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| 18:30 | you're here at the wrong time if you want advice from people who deploy lots
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| 18:31 | if they arein the usa.. they are gone after 5pm
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| 18:31 | and if europe.. mostly gone much earlier
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| 18:32 | if you're in the usa.. you should try to come here before noon EST
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| 18:32 | <supreme> humm :/ damn, ok.. but you helped me a lot, thats exactly what i was asking here
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| 18:32 | <johnny> i didn't say anything :)
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| 18:32 | i just use whatever i got
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| 18:32 | <supreme> yes, you say me which hardware will surely work
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| 18:32 | <johnny> dell stuff is usually bog standard.. but you should know that already
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| 18:33 | i just look up hardware .. and match it with what i can find online
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| 18:33 | that works on line
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| 18:33 | linux*
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| 18:33 | but you know that too i'm sure
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| 18:33 | otherwise you wouldn't be setting up a linux server :)
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| 18:34 | the only issues are graphics/wifi with linux 95% of the time
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| 18:34 | if you buy something and it sucks.. return it
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| 18:35 | <supreme> i now working with a standard x86 machine as server but clients closes x session randomly, while working normally
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| 18:35 | <johnny> you should be more concerned about hardware on the clients
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| 18:35 | as i said.. graphics cards are usually an issue
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| 18:36 | <supreme> but with another machine crappier all clients work ok
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| 18:36 | <johnny> same clients? different server?
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| 18:36 | <supreme> yes
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| 18:36 | * vagrantc only uses hardware people throw away | |
| 18:36 | <johnny> odd, prolly some sort of driver bug
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| 18:36 | <supreme> same clients, same edubuntu 7.10
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| 18:37 | <johnny> try the *buntu hardy beta
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| 18:37 | for testing
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| 18:37 | <yanu> supreme: when working, i'll gues there is to less ram on the clients
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| 18:37 | <johnny> my ebuilds are up..
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| 18:37 | http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/ltsp.git;a=summary
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| 18:37 | <yanu> supreme: just had that problem, with a webpage with a lot of pictures
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| 18:38 | <supreme> yanu, i dont think so since bad server has 2gb ram, and shitty 1200mhz good server have only 512mb
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| 18:38 | <johnny> and my bzr branch
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| 18:38 | <supreme> thanks johnny , i'll check
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| 18:38 | <johnny> http://devel.localmomentum.net:8082/ltsp/ltsp_gentoo/changes
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| 18:38 | <yanu> supreme: i talk of the ram on the clientside, the terminal
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| 18:39 | <supreme> but, clients never restart session in shitty server
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| 18:39 | <johnny> there's only two changesets to the whole thing
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| 18:40 | <supreme> i repeat, same clients, same os, same network hardware, different server machine
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| 18:40 | both x86
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| 18:41 | shitty 512mbram server-> ok, nice 2gbram server ->restart x session in clients randomly
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| 18:41 | <johnny> it's prolly the other bits of the hardware
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| 18:42 | you should check your logs
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| 18:43 | <supreme> logs say some ssh MAC thing, unfortunately i havent logs now, im at home.
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| 18:44 | <yanu> hmm, wierd, maybe it's the same here, ubuntu-intelboard with crashes on the clients and
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| 18:44 | debian-asusboard without crashes on the cliets
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| 18:45 | <supreme> :o
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| 18:46 | yanu, which error do you get in logs?
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| 18:46 | <yanu> client = dell optiplex with, first 64Mb (with crashes), now 128 (without crashes)
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| 18:46 | <supreme> clients have 128mb
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| 18:46 | <yanu> there were no errors, no that i saw, just bam, client returns to ldm
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| 18:47 | <supreme> :S
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| 18:49 | yanu, what do you think? if i buy an optiplex, could I have similar problem?
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| 18:49 | <yanu> no, i don't like dell ;), i prefer to make them myself
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| 18:49 | <supreme> damn im scared, a enterprise order me to buy a server, but what if it fails when i install it
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| 18:50 | <supreme> thats why im asking for success experiences
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| 18:50 | to buy the exactly same hardware
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| 18:50 | to make sure it will work fine
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| 18:51 | <yanu> ya, it is difficult, it changes so fast, mobo's ram, chipsets ...
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| 18:52 | personaly, i have good experience with asus-mobo's with intel chipsets and video
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| 18:53 | but they wer for myself, no for custumers
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| 18:53 | ...
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| 18:53 | <supreme> ok, thanks :),, hey, why you dont like dells? bad experiences?
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| 18:54 | <yanu> there is always something, special powersupply, non standard placement, different ram ...
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| 18:54 | <petre> evening all
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| 18:54 | <supreme> hi petre
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| 18:54 | <petre> hey supreme
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| 18:55 | <yanu> they are very well for client without drives ... not for tuning, reparing ...
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| 18:55 | i'll go to sleep, night all
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| 18:55 | <supreme> ok yanu , thanks for all, bye
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