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Channel log from 24 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:26 | * Hyperbyte is installing Edubuntu | |
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| 05:33 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 05:36 | <andygraybeal> morrninging!!
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| 05:38 | <dead_root> mornin
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| 05:38 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 05:38 | yay for coffee!!!
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| 05:39 | <mgariepy> coffee is a life saver ! :)
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| 05:55 | * Hyperbyte doesn't drink coffee | |
| 05:55 | * Hyperbyte could really use some today though | |
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| 06:11 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 06:22 | <Hyperbyte> Why does every new distro I try have to disappoint on first install?
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| 06:23 | <dead_root> try gentoo
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| 06:23 | <Hyperbyte> Clean installation of Edubuntu 11.04, I configure proxy, run "apt-get update" and it says "Encountered a section with no Package: header"
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| 06:23 | Very useful error, too.
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| 09:17 | <Hyperbyte> How do I install software in the client chroot on Edubuntu?
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| 09:18 | I tried chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and running apt-get, but it failed with a bunch of "Failed to fetch http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/pool/main/...<package>" errors
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| 09:18 | Could this have something to do with proxy settings?
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| 09:19 | Hrm, without proxy setting it hangs on "Connecting to ftpmaster.internal"... what is this ftpmaster.internal anyways? :)
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| 09:36 | <abeehc> i imagine it's an apt-proxy box?
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| 09:36 | can you resolve it?
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| 09:36 | <Hyperbyte> apt-proxy box?
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| 09:36 | You'll have to a bit more verbose I'm afraid, this is my first time using Edubuntu.
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| 09:37 | <abeehc> i don't know that it really has anything to do with edubuntu
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| 09:37 | did you not setup this machine?
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| 09:37 | <Hyperbyte> I've used Redhat/Fedora for about twelve years now, but I'm still finding some parts of Edubuntu a bit try'ey. ;-)
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| 09:37 | <abeehc> if you change your sources file to the official severs, it'll likely work
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| 09:38 | so that ftpmaster.internal should be coming for /etc/apt/sources.list
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| 09:38 | <Hyperbyte> Okay... why would the LTSP client chroot default to ftpmaster.internal though?
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| 09:38 | <abeehc> and you'd want to replace that address with archive.ubuntu.com or something like that..backup f8irst maybe
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| 09:38 | i thought it copies the host system file, you'll find both are using the same addresses
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| 09:38 | i'm nto sure though
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| 09:39 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, well thanks - will look into it and will report back in a bit. :)
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| 09:39 | <abeehc> /opt/ltsp/arch/etc/apt/source.list vs /etc/apt/sources.list
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| 09:39 | i imagine, a sysadmin set that address on purpose, so to minimize bandwitdh usage by the package manager
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| 09:39 | and perhaps you have dns issues still
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| 09:39 | gl though
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| 09:47 | <Hyperbyte> This is a clean install though, and I don't have DNS issues and never had. :)
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| 09:48 | The sources.list is a good tip though, will see what's in there soon.
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| 10:24 | <Hyperbyte> It's not working. I copied the sources.list from the main system, but now it says "Unable to locate package <package name>" for about everything package I can think of
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| 10:25 | The ones that do work (like thunderbird) have "unmet dependancies"
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| 10:27 | Hrm, after deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/* and doing dpkg --configure -a it works
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| 11:13 | <Hyperbyte> Hey alkisg!
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> Hi Hyperbyte, what's up?
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| 11:13 | <Hyperbyte> I'm currently working overtime, making a switch to Edubuntu
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| 11:13 | I screwed myself over with Fedora, to the point where I got sick of it.
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| 11:13 | Sunday I fixed all my display driver issues by upgrading to Fedora 14, then LTSP sound stopped working and our softphone was incompatible with newer Gnome libraries it turns out...
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> Ouch. But why would edubuntu help there?
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| 11:14 | <Hyperbyte> I restored a backup from before sunday, but somehow our softphone never worked again...
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| 11:14 | Today none of the phones worked here... except mine. Spent whole day answering phone, now I'm working overtime to get rid of Fedora.
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| 11:15 | Edubuntu helps, because it doesn't have these problems. And it has sflphone in it's repositories, unlike Fedora.
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| 11:15 | Plus it doesn't have these display or sound driver problems.
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| 11:15 | I also find it has much better community than Fedora. :-)
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| 11:16 | I like Edubuntu so far. Everything goes a lot smoother, although I've had some beginners trouble, but that's normal I guess.
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> True, at least here in #ltsp
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| 11:16 | All ok now?
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| 11:16 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, everybody here in #ltsp is great! :-)
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| 11:16 | So far, so good.
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| 11:17 | Right now I'm busy migrating all my custom settings and gconf mandatory stuff over from one server to another.
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| 11:17 | Luckily we always have a spare server in the rack here... just for events like this.
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| 11:17 | So if this doesn't work I can spent tomorrow answering phones too if needed, and continue afterwards. But I plan to get this fixed, if it takes me 'till the morning light. :-D
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| 11:18 | * alkisg passes Hyperbyte a galon of coffee... | |
| 11:18 | <Hyperbyte> Hahah
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| 11:18 | Had it
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| 11:18 | Well, not coffee, but caffeine. =)
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| 11:19 | I'm happy though with this. LTSP under Edubuntu seems to be much more robuust, and lots faster (especially in bootup)
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> Which edubuntu? 10.10?
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| 11:19 | <Hyperbyte> The one you recommended
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| 11:19 | 11.04
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> Ah because of the display driver problems, ok
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| 11:20 | <Hyperbyte> Noticed some weird things with it, like on setup it asked me if I wanted Unity, I said "no" and it installed it anyways, even made it default
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| 11:20 | Heh
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> You can make it go faster on boot by reenabling nbd compression in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 11:20 | I haven't tried edubuntu 11.04 yet so I don't know about the installer details
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| 11:20 | <Hyperbyte> I could just hash out that line?
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| 11:21 | Curious though that compression actually makes it go faster? You'd expect slower?
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| 11:21 | <dubkat> question...
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| 11:21 | i have a x64 server serving x32 thin clients
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: yup just hush it out, it'll take effect after the next ltsp-update-image
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| 11:22 | <dubkat> so how do i "easily" install 32bit firefox / chromium?
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: compression x2.5 times means 2.5 times less network traffict => faster
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| 11:22 | dubkat: where, on the server or the chroot?
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| 11:22 | <dubkat> cuz apt doesn't seem to have an --arch override, and dpkg doesn't seem to fetch packages
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| 11:22 | alkisg: isn't the chroot / the server all the same?
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| 11:22 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, even on a gigabit network?
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: usually yes, because e.g. 10 clients will be booting at once, so each client only gets 100 mbps at that time
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| 11:24 | dubkat: no, it's not the same. Are you trying to install firefox as a localapp?
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| 11:24 | <dubkat> yes
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> If not, then you don't need 32 bit firefox
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| 11:24 | <dubkat> on a 1ghz attom
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| 11:24 | atom thin client
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> If yes, then you should just install firefox on the chroot
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| 11:24 | You don't need to care about the arch there
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| 11:24 | You just chroot and run apt-get install inside it
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| 11:25 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg: 284 MB instead of 667 MB... nice. :) Should be 4 seconds less on bootup, assuming it fetches the whole image when it boots.
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: nope, it only fetches the sectors it needs each time
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| 11:25 | But that's byte, not bit
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| 11:27 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, okay. One more question. How do I change default locale to nl_NL for all users?
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| 11:27 | Preferably without using the GUI tool, because in there all languages are greyed out except "English"
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| 11:27 | I did install the language packs by the way
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| 11:28 | <dubkat> alkisg: i'm sorry, maybe i'm not understanding
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| 11:28 | how can a 32bit processor run a 64bit local app
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| 11:29 | <Hyperbyte> dubkat: they won't. When you type 'chroot /opt/ltps/i386/', you get a prompt where / = /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 11:29 | So if apt-get checks what type of architecture is installed on /, it'll see the i386 arch and install 32-bit apps
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| 11:29 | <dubkat> ooooh!
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| 11:29 | sneaky
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| 11:30 | <Hyperbyte> That's what 'chroot' does... 'change root' I believe
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| 11:30 | When you 'chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/' you get a prompt which basically makes the client installation as the parent system...
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| 11:30 | <dubkat> yeah, i just wasn't following your logic. sorry, been a long week :)
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| 11:30 | <Hyperbyte> Do your stuff there, then 'exit' to back to the normal root and run ltsp-update-image --arch i386
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| 11:31 | <dubkat> got all these employees starting tomorrow and will be using these, so i'm trying to put some finishing touches on :)
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: the correct way would be to use --locale in ltsp-build-client. But now, change $CHROOT/etc/default/locale. And also run `sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure console-setup` if you want a different keyboard layout
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| 11:31 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg: the Dutch use American keyboard layout. :)
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> OK, just the locale then
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| 11:31 | I thought you had weird umlauts and such
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> I believe IBM at one point created a special Dutch keyboard layout and everyone was like "wait a second, where are all my characters gone?!" because everybody was so used to US... it didn't survive. :)
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| 11:32 | We do, but Dutch people remember things like alt+0235 for e-umlaut and stuff...
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| 11:32 | Or we pick US international, which allows people to type "e to get e-umlaut
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| 11:33 | Anyway, that's besides the point, but a nice bit of trivia regardless I thought. :)
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| 11:33 | <dubkat> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main libffi5 i386 3.0.9-3ubuntu1 [15.7 kB]
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| 11:33 | brilliiant
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| 11:33 | * dubkat hugs you all | |
| 11:33 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 11:33 | alkisg... /etc/default/locale has LANG=C... ?
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| 11:33 | What's C?
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| 11:33 | <dubkat> i have been wracking my brain out on how to do this
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| 11:33 | C = System
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| 11:33 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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| 11:34 | <dubkat> don't use it
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| 11:34 | <Hyperbyte> So I could as well change it in /etc/default/locale on the server?
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| 11:34 | lol, ok
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| 11:34 | It's gone!
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| 11:34 | <dubkat> what country are you trying to set?
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| 11:34 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: check /etc/default/locale on your server, what does it have?
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| 11:34 | <dubkat> ^^
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| 11:34 | was just typing that
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| 11:34 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg: en_US
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| 11:34 | dubkat: nl_NL
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| 11:34 | :)
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| 11:34 | <alkisg> OK, use that then
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| 11:35 | <Hyperbyte> I did. Okay.
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| 11:35 | <dubkat> so you should have nl_NL.UTF-8 in there somewhere
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| 11:35 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, I do, in both /etc/default/locale files
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| 11:35 | Okay... now if you guys don't mind I'd like to fire the next question... :)
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| 11:36 | Sorry if I seem overzealous, but you guys are shaving hours off my working through the night figuring everything out at the moment. :D
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| 11:37 | <dubkat> they did the same for me
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| 11:37 | <Hyperbyte> I accidentally typed 'ltsp-build-client' instead of update-image... now I have some parts of an amd64 chroot, which I want to remove.
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| 11:37 | <dubkat> fyi, i did something totally horrible last night
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| 11:37 | ive had Gentoo on my desktop happily for years
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| 11:37 | <Hyperbyte> I get errors on deleting proc..
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| 11:39 | <dubkat> i tried to remove kde, and install gnome3 (i was bored with kde4, and their broken email client and crap) anyway, i installed ubuntu 11.04
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| 11:39 | * dubkat hangs his head in shame | |
| 11:39 | <dubkat> oh, jumped the track. i broke m ygentoo system and just iddn't feel like recompiling *
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| 11:40 | i already miss it, i hate ubuntu's init system
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: ouch, you tried to delete the chroot with $CHROOT/proc mounted
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| 11:40 | <dubkat> but unity is pretty
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> I'd reboot the server and then retry to delete the chroot
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| 11:41 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, actually, there was nothing in mount regarding proc on chroot... there still isn't.
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> But that's just me being cautious, you might want to just unmount it
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| 11:41 | <Hyperbyte> But I'll reboot if that fixes it, no problemo.
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| 11:41 | It's not mounted, that's the weirdness.. only proc on host is mounted, not in chroot.. and still I can't delete.. it's not a symlink either.. it's... weird
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| 11:41 | But alas, I reboot. :D
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: if you chroot and then cat /proc/mounts, you'll see it
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| 11:42 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, they don't show up in parent mount list?
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| 11:43 | Hah, it's gone! :)
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| 11:43 | * Hyperbyte is really liking Edubuntu so far. | |
| 11:43 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP is just more polished. :)
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> There's something weird about mounts and chroot, and I ended up to "see/unmount from the chroot I did the mount"
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| 11:45 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, oh yeah... how about flash? Is it included with Edubuntu by default?
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| 11:45 | Or in repositories?
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> I think it prompts you on installation?
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| 11:45 | If not, you can just install it from the repositories
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| 11:45 | <Hyperbyte> It asked about MP3, not Flash I think
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> Or install the whole "ubuntu-restricted" package, which also contains java
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| 11:46 | And some other codecs
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| 11:46 | ubuntu-restricted-extras
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| 11:46 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 11:46 | Okay. What's the most recent and correct documentation for lts.conf?
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| 11:47 | The /topic?
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> (1) man lts.conf,
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| 11:47 | and (2) the .pdf from the /topic
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| 11:47 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, because there's no manpage for lts.conf... probably some package missing
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> ltsp-docs
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> So either sudo apt-get install ltsp-docs, or visit http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 11:48 | <Hyperbyte> Yep, got it.
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| 11:48 | Okay. In man lts.conf it says LOCAL_APPS is False by default. I don't have it in the config file, but ltsp-localapps still works. ?
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| 11:48 | <dubkat> cd
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| 11:48 | fail
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: if you see below it also says it's true by default :)
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| 11:49 | It's a bug in the man page
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| 11:49 | <Hyperbyte> Ahh, okay
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> The most significant setting is LDM_DIRECTX, if it's ok for your environment security-wise, it speeds things up a lot
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| 11:52 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, yeah, got that. I'm missing the NFS configuration in the manpage.
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| 11:52 | For mounting home directories via NFS
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> Thin clients or fat clients?
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| 11:53 | Or localapps?
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| 11:53 | <Hyperbyte> Localapps
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> And why do you want nfs instead of the default sshfs?
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| 11:54 | <Hyperbyte> My terminal server mounts /home/ via NFS from a file server. I'd like the clients to mount it from the fileserver directly as well, rather than via the terminal server
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| 11:55 | Although I guess it doesn't matter much, but if there's an easy config setting for it (and I thought there was?) that'd be useful to set as well
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> I've written 2 lines about NFS_HOME in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients#NFS_HOME - if you don't manage it, just shout... :)
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| 11:56 | <Hyperbyte> mhm... I guess it's not worth the trouble. There's only small application with 1 config file that runs locally
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| 11:56 | Should be ok...
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| 11:57 | Because I'd also have to configure idmapd on the clients since I'm using NFS4
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| 11:57 | * Hyperbyte resists. | |
| 11:57 | <Hyperbyte> Good info though!
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| 11:59 | root@terminaltest:~# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/locale
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| 11:59 | LANG="nl_NL.UTF-8"
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| 11:59 | Gnome is still English though
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> That's the chroot language, not the session language
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| 11:59 | The session is on the server
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| 12:00 | <Hyperbyte> root@terminaltest:~# cat /etc/default/locale
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| 12:00 | LANG="nl_NL.UTF-8"
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| 12:00 | I did 'em both. Does it require a restart to go into effect?
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| 12:00 | Or could there be something wrong with the language packs?
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> Server restart, yeah
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| 12:00 | <Hyperbyte> Ahh
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| 12:00 | * Hyperbyte restarts | |
| 12:01 | <alkisg> To check the language packs, run gnome-language-selector
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> That's System -> Language, right?
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> Because it had 'Dutch' greyed out
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| 12:02 | It was in the list though
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| 12:02 | It had all options greyed out though, probably should've sudo'd it.
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> No, use the "add/remove" button below the list
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| 12:04 | <Hyperbyte> mhm...
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> "Install / Remove Languages..."
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| 12:04 | <Hyperbyte> Dutch! :)
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| 12:04 | Wait no. That's not Dutch.
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| 12:05 | Gnome language selector has all options greyed out though
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| 12:05 | As in, all. Except 'Close' and 'Help'
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| 12:06 | I can change regional settings, but there "Apply system wide" is greyed out as well
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| 12:07 | The applications that have Dutch locale installed are Dutch at the moment though. Only Gnome stays English.
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| 12:22 | <dubkat> crap
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| 12:22 | so i got firefox installed in the chroot. yaaay
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| 12:22 | <Hyperbyte> dubkat, congrats! :)
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| 12:22 | <dubkat> but i cant get online, but i'm quite sure i have nat setup
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| 12:22 | <Hyperbyte> dubkat, get an xterm on the client, try 'host www.google.com' and if that works 'ping www.google.com'
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| 12:23 | (so ltsp-localapps xterm)
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| 12:24 | <dubkat> negative
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| 12:25 | <Hyperbyte> 'host' doesn't work?
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| 12:26 | <dubkat> no, i don't have bind-tools installed, so i tried ping -c3 www.google.com
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| 12:26 | and that didn't work
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| 12:26 | <Hyperbyte> Does ping 66.102.13.99 work?
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: are you running gnome-language-selector locally on the server, or from a thin client?
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| 12:26 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, server
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| 12:26 | Well no
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| 12:26 | From a thin client, on the server
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| 12:26 | <dubkat> no, ping <ip> didn't work either
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| 12:26 | --- 66.102.13.99 ping statistics ---
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| 12:26 | 2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1007ms
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| 12:26 | <Hyperbyte> dubkat, then you don't have NAT set up. :)
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| 12:27 | <dubkat> Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 1342 packets, 83671 bytes)
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| 12:27 | pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination
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| 12:27 | 244 17968 MASQUERADE all -- * * 10.0.0.0/16 0.0.0.0/0
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| 12:27 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: policykit has some glitches in its settings, maybe it affects gnome-language-selector too, can you try vnc'ing on the server?
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| 12:27 | <dubkat> it's been so long since ive done this
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| 12:27 | isnt that enough?
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| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> dubkat, or your thin client doesn't have a default gateway configured. Type 'ip route show', see if it has default route via your router
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| 12:27 | <alkisg> Or try running it with sudo...
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| 12:27 | <dubkat> dreidy@ltsp5:~$ ip route show
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| 12:27 | 10.0.0.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.0.0.5
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| 12:27 | default via 10.0.0.1 dev eth0
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| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> dubkat, 10.0.0.1 is your router?
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| 12:28 | <dubkat> 10.0.0.1 is the "server" which i have configured (i thought) to act as a nat for the clients as well
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| 12:28 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, can't VNC to the server, but what the heck, I'll just walk the 20 meters. :)
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 12:29 | dubkat: try this: sudo -i
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| 12:29 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
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| 12:29 | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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| 12:29 | <Hyperbyte> (on the server)
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| 12:30 | <dubkat> i already have that...
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| 12:30 | 298 21311 MASQUERADE all -- * * 10.0.0.0/16 0.0.0.0/0
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| 12:30 | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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| 12:30 | 1
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| 12:32 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, nuts
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| 12:32 | On the server it works
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| 12:32 | But
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| 12:32 | Actually Gnome was in Dutch as well. :O
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 12:32 | <Hyperbyte> Anyway, since 'Dutch' WAS still greyed out as option, and English was selected, and Gnome was Dutch (huh?)
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| 12:33 | I decided to remove Dutch
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| 12:33 | And reinstall it
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| 12:33 | And now it won't let me reinstall it, because it finds the packages unverified?
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| 12:33 | <dubkat> hrm... amd i missing something obvious here?
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| 12:33 | <Hyperbyte> dubkat, try pinging 10.0.0.1 from the client
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: from the console, try: sudo apt-get install language-pack-nl
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| 12:35 | If it complains about unverified packages, put the output to pastebin
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| 12:35 | <dubkat> 64 bytes from 10.0.0.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.201 ms
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| 12:35 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, well, with apt-get I can tell it to ignore unverified packages.
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: well you shouldn't *have* to
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| 12:35 | <Hyperbyte> But I think the problem is that with apt-get install language-pack-nl it doesn't install the extras
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> So if it complains, let's see why
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| 12:36 | <Hyperbyte> Like gimp-language-nl, openoffice-language-nl
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| 12:36 | Gnome language selector actually gave an error about it
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> Paste it
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| 12:37 | <Hyperbyte> But wait. Because now I'm doing exactly what I did before and it didn't work.
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| 12:38 | Before I installed language-pack-nl... and when I ran the language selector on the server, it complained about packages missing for Dutch and that it couldn't those
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| 12:38 | Ah, what the heck
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| 12:38 | I can just copy-paste the list of packages into apt-get and install them anyways
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| 12:38 | * Hyperbyte applies head to desk | |
| 12:38 | <alkisg> If it complains, you might need to run apt-get update
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| 12:38 | *about missing packages
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| 12:39 | If it complains about unverified packages, there's something wrong there
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| 12:41 | <Hyperbyte> It said it's from unverified source
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| 12:41 | Probably means third-party translation team
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| 12:42 | Either way, in GUI it said "can't install, unverified source"
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| 12:42 | In terminal it asked "unverified source, install anyway?"
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| 12:42 | So there, they're installed.
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| 12:42 | Yet in the Gnome language selector, every language besides 'English' is greyed out. :S
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: take a pause and check the "unverified source" problem
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| 12:43 | Did it say that with language-pack-nl?
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| 12:43 | If so, what's the output of `apt-cache policy language-pack-nl` ?
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| 12:44 | <Hyperbyte> http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/output.txt
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| 12:45 | I actually believe the problem is that client isn't listening to /etc/default/locale
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| 12:45 | Because it's not using my Dutch LDM translation either, and I did feed it the Dutch ldm.mo file
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> That would be another problem, but I wonder why you're getting the warning about unverified source. What's the output of this?
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| 12:46 | sudo apt-key list | grep Ubuntu
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| 12:46 | <Hyperbyte> uid Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
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| 12:46 | uid Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key <cdimage@ubuntu.com>
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| 12:46 | uid Ubuntu Extras Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Hmm, I wonder if it's a temporary problem with the us mirror...
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| 12:47 | Anyway. Did you run ltsp-update-image after changing $CHROOT/etc/default/locale?
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> so ... i log into our fine new ubuntu lucid application server from our long-standing functional debian lenny thin clients ...
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| 12:48 | and some of them work fine ... and others ... the screen gets a bunch of lines all over it
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| 12:48 | and the mouse cursor freezes ...
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| 12:48 | compiz?
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> Try nomodeset, I've seen such problems with plymouth
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| 12:48 | But I thought they were solved...
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| 12:49 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I did yes.
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: they're not running a version the uses modesetting
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| 12:49 | alkisg: the thin-clients are pre-modesetting
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> Hmmm no idea then... yeah try disabling compiz, maybe it'll help
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> !compiz
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| 12:51 | * vagrantc pouts | |
| 12:51 | <vagrantc> hah!
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| 12:51 | i found it on a cached posting of #ltsp logs on nubae.com
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 12:52 | Heh, logs beat me :)
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> is there any way to check?
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| 12:52 | if it's already set?
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> xdpyinfo |grep -i composite
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| 12:52 | => that's when it's set, and
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| 12:53 | ps -ef|grep compiz ... or metacity should tell you if it's running
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| 12:53 | Ah to check the gconf key?
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| 12:53 | cat /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml
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| 12:53 | Or gconftool-2 again...
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> looks like it wasn't set
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| 12:56 | <mgariepy> $ gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanagercompiz
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: so if you run ltsp-localapps xterm to get a local shell, and then cat /etc/default/locale, you see LANG="nl_NL.UTF-8" ?
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| 12:57 | Hyperbyte: also, try setting LANG="nl_NL.UTF-8" in lts.conf, that should affect ldm
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| 12:57 | <Hyperbyte> Yessir.
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| 12:57 | I was just thinking the latter as well
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| 12:58 | * Hyperbyte reboots client | |
| 12:59 | <Hyperbyte> Heh, nope, still no lcuk
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| 12:59 | And no luck either.
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> How did you put the ldm translations to the chroot?
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| 12:59 | <Hyperbyte> Copied ldm.mo file
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> Where?
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| 12:59 | <Hyperbyte> Although I didn't check if LDM was Dutch
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| 12:59 | Moment.
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| 13:00 | Nope, LDM not Dutch
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| 13:00 | - /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/ldm.mo
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/i386/ldm/filelist
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| 13:01 | No nl translation there...
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| 13:01 | <Hyperbyte> No, I made it myself.
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| 13:01 | I actually submitted it to the ltsp-devel mailing list, but it hasn't been included yet
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| 13:01 | <dubkat> dreidy@ltsp5:~$ ping www.google.com
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| 13:01 | PING www.l.google.com (74.125.225.52) 56(84) bytes of data.
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| 13:01 | 64 bytes from 74.125.225.52: icmp_req=1 ttl=54 time=32.4 ms
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| 13:01 | fixed it \o/
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| 13:02 | <Hyperbyte> Yay. :)
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| 13:03 | alkisg, my Dutch ldm.mo worked fine on Fedora. I'm still convinced something in the client chroot is setting en_US as default
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> LANG in lts.conf should work though
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> It doesn't listen to LANG in lts.conf, nor LDM_LANGUAGE, nor to /etc/default/locale
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> In the local terminal, can you run: getltscfg -a
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| 13:04 | And see if you indeed get LANG etc?
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| 13:05 | <Hyperbyte> Yep, it's there
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| 13:05 | It's in 'export' as well
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> LDM_LANGUAGE=>that's the gnome session language
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| 13:05 | LANG=>that's the ldm language
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| 13:05 | <Hyperbyte> I set them both, just to be sure. :P
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| 13:05 | In Fedora it worked once I added export LANG="nl_NL.UTF-8" to /etc/profile
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| 13:05 | Worth a try?
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> Try copying ldm.mo on the server /usr/share/locale/... etc
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| 13:07 | Then, run this: gettext -d ldm 'Password'
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| 13:07 | Do you see Dutch?
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| 13:07 | <Hyperbyte> Yep
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| 13:08 | Putting the export lines in /etc/profile did nothing by the way
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| 13:08 | * Hyperbyte is confused. | |
| 13:09 | <alkisg> Can you get a root shell on the client?
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| 13:09 | E.g. with SCREEN_02=shell?
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| 13:09 | <Hyperbyte> Sure
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| 13:09 | One moment, need to set root password and configure
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| 13:10 | * Hyperbyte reboots client | |
| 13:10 | <alkisg> tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof ldm)/environ | grep LANG
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| 13:11 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using a shell SCREEN
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| 13:13 | <Hyperbyte> Heh
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| 13:13 | LANG=nl_NL.UTF-8
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| 13:14 | I don't get it. :S
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> It might be an ldm regression then... is anyone succesfully using a localized version of ldm in natty?
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| 13:15 | Or, try setting one of the existing languages (see the file list in the link above)
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| 13:15 | <Hyperbyte> Well, Gnome is also still English
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> That's a different story
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| 13:15 | <Hyperbyte> I could live with LDM being English, but Gnome is gonna be a problem
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> The user that you're logging in with, does he have a ~/.dmrc file?
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| 13:17 | <Hyperbyte> Yep.
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| 13:17 | Language=nl_NL, Layout=us
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| 13:17 | This user had a Dutch Gnome in Fedora by the way
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Try moving that file
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| 13:19 | <Hyperbyte> Luck!
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| 13:19 | :)
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| 13:19 | This I would've never figured out.
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Maybe the problem was the nl_NL, without the UTF-8 extension
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| 13:19 | <Hyperbyte> Fan-tas-tic.
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Let's go to the ldm problem now
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| 13:19 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 13:19 | Okay
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Try another language, e.g. german
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> In /etc/default/locale?
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> LANG=xxx in lts.conf
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> Should I clean /etc/default/locale, or doesn't it matter?
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> I don't think it matters
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Try it once, and verify it with: tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof ldm)/environ | grep LANG
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| 13:22 | Hey, the debian installer provides for a separate /home! Cool!
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| 13:22 | <Hyperbyte> It's set
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> Which lang did you try?
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| 13:22 | <Hyperbyte> de_DE.UTF-8... LDM is English should
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| 13:22 | Perhaps remove the .UTF-8?
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| 13:23 | Wait. Idea.
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| 13:23 | I think I figured it out. If I did, you may smack me on the head.
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| 13:24 | No, that wasn't it.
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| 13:24 | I had "quotes" around it, but that didn't matter.
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| 13:25 | Hrm
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| 13:26 | I've just tried LANG=nl_NL, LANG=nl_NL.UTF-8, LANG="nl_NL" and LANG="nl_NL.UTF-8"
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> The next step I'd take would be to make a shell wrapper to replace ldm with this:
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| 13:26 | exec strace -e trace=file ldm.original "$@" 2>&1 | grep ldm.mo >> /tmp/ldm-problems
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| 13:27 | You can do this from the root account locally on the client, no need to run ltsp-update-image
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| 13:27 | Just enter a wrong pass on ldm, and it's restarted, and the shell script would be used
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| 13:27 | (assuming you're familiar with scripts...)
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc> seems like compiz was my lucid problem
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> We should put it in the ltsp conflicts: list :P
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| 13:28 | * andygraybeal stamps on compiz repeatedly | |
| 13:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, you can have an LTSP server that's also a desktop, so a strict conflicts isn't a good idea
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| 13:28 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I think what I'm gonna do is leave this for now
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| 13:28 | We can come back to it later though.
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| 13:29 | English LDM I can live with, as long as the rest works for tomorrow.
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: nah I was just joking, when it works it's actually faster for ltsp clients
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| 13:29 | Hyperbyte: ok
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| 13:29 | <Hyperbyte> Been at this for 14.5 hours straight now, hope to finish all this in an hour or so.
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| 13:29 | Else I have a feeling it's gonna go horribly wrong.
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| 13:34 | (with me)
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| 13:35 | <highvoltage> Hyperbyte: ouch!
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| 13:36 | <Hyperbyte> highvoltage, yeah... I implemented LTSP with Fedora... tested it thoroughly (four months with different hardware)... one slight problem that I didn't pick up on
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| 13:36 | Unlucky me, it was a slight problem with some kernel modules that are incompatible with DLWS LTSP clients... the clients we just installed ten of
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| 13:36 | <andygraybeal> DLWS ?
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| 13:36 | <Hyperbyte> Diskless Workstations
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| 13:36 | <andygraybeal> ah
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| 13:37 | <Hyperbyte> I went to 'fix' the kernel modules, but since I have zero experience with these things, it went from bad to worse.
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| 13:37 | OpenOffice didn't work today, our softphones didn't work.
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| 13:37 | My employer said I should devise a solution, any solution, by tomorrow morning if at all possible. He didn't threaten me, because he understands it's unforeseen and complicated..
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> Backing up ltsp chroots is very easy - and should be done before major changes :D
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| 13:37 | <Hyperbyte> But I agree that it needs a solution at all costs though.
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| 13:37 | alkisg, I did, that's the strange thing.
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| 13:38 | I even made an image of the entire server.
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> Ouch, and rolling back didn't work as expected?
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| 13:38 | <Hyperbyte> I believe the Fedora 14 update I did changed something in the user profiles (which aren't part of the image) that caused the whole thing to screw up
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| 13:38 | -did
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| 13:39 | Spent like sixteen hours trying to figure it out... finally had it on sunday... then it broke again for unexplained reasons on monday.
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| 13:39 | So today, in all my wisdom, I decided to deploy Edubuntu overnight.
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| 13:39 | Figured it'd be the best choice in the long run, and about the same amount of work as fixing Fedora
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| 13:39 | <highvoltage> which DLWS clients are they, btw?
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| 13:39 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP Term 1720
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| 13:40 | Dual-screen
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> You're allowed to keep ldm in english then :D And also to take a week off :D
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| 13:40 | <Hyperbyte> Which is actually what the root of the problems were... everybody has (needs) two screens...
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| 13:40 | And somehow on the second screen hardware acceleration didn't work
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| 13:40 | :S
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| 13:40 | Which caused OpenOffice to not display text or images (in menu's, popups, documents..) which means not usable on second screen
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| 13:40 | <highvoltage> hmm, I think that's a common problem with dual-screen
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| 13:41 | <Hyperbyte> And our softphone didn't work at all.
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| 13:41 | highvoltage, if this is your way of telling me I'm going to run into the same problems with Edubuntu in the near future, then please shoot me now.
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> Didn't you test with the edubuntu live dvd before installing?
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| 13:42 | <highvoltage> Hyperbyte: it's not an edubuntu problem, I think you'll run into it on whatever you'll run on that hardware. I might be mistaken though, but afaik you just can't get dual screen + 3d accelleration for both screens on that hardware
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| 13:44 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I did, but stupidly not with dual screens
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| 13:44 | This is not smart.
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| 13:45 | highvoltage, the thin client is listed as dual monitor capability though
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| 13:45 | highvoltage, but you're right, with a second attached it doesn't perform as expected.
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| 13:45 | It actually sets one screen to 640x480 screen resolution and the other one it keeps turned off
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| 13:46 | Even Fedora didn't do that
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> You can set the resolutions with xrandr (both command line and in lts.conf)
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| 13:48 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, also for tomorrow
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| 13:48 | If I can unplug one screen and everything works, then I'm happy.
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| 13:48 | They can do without second screens while I ask DisklessWorkstations how to fix this.
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| 13:49 | The LTSP Term 1720 is listed as dual-monitor capable and compatible with Ubuntu 11.04
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| 13:49 | So I'm not worried that they don't have, or won't try to find a solution for me.
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| 13:49 | It's not the kind of setback I was hoping for though, but at least for this I can get good support.
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> That part won't be hard; getting acceleration on the second monitor will be harded, if the driver doesn't support it...
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| 13:50 | I imagine you can setup dual screens with just a couple of xrandr lines in lts.conf...
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| 13:51 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, probably, but it requires a lot of extra configuration though
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| 13:51 | Since we have a whole bunch of different screens and screen sizes
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> You should be able to use "auto" for the resolution
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| 13:52 | <Hyperbyte> mhm, well, when it boots I see the left (DVI) screen panickingly search for compatible resolutions (on, off, on, off) during the Edubuntu logo
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| 13:52 | And when LDM starts it stays off and the right screen switches to a really low resolution
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| 13:52 | So it looks like it's doing some form of auto detection
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> The output of "xrandr" would be handy there...
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| 13:53 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I really love and very much appreciate your willingness to help. And I'm definitely gonna take you up on this offer... tomorrow. :)
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| 13:53 | If I can just unplug all second screens, and everything else works
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| 13:53 | I go home. :)
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> Sure, you've had more than enough for one day
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| 13:54 | <Hyperbyte> I've had enough for one week I think. :D
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| 13:55 | I'm serious though, you're a fantastic fountain of knowledge. :) When it comes to LTSP at least. :)
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| 14:00 | Hrm, in Fedora you could type 'yum whatprovides */libfile.so' and it would tell you which package it's in
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| 14:00 | How is this done on Ubuntu?
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> dpkg -S filename
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| 14:02 | <Hyperbyte> That only works with installed packages, I'm looking for not-yet-installed ones. :)
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| 14:02 | So I know which package I should get.
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| 14:11 | <dubkat> hey, so when i run the 32bit chrooted firefox, how do i make it so it can access one's home directory, so their plugins,bookmarks,etc work as expected?
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| 14:13 | <Hyperbyte> dubkat, doesn't it do that already?
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| 14:24 | <dubkat> no
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| 14:24 | i even tried to load a firefox plugin thats in my home directory, and i see nothing at all there
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> dubkat: distro/version?
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| 14:25 | <dubkat> ubunutu 11.04
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| 14:26 | x64 server / 32bit clients
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Try: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 14:26 | On that xterm: cat /proc/mounts
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| 14:26 | And see if /home/username is mounted with sshfs
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| 14:26 | <dubkat> dreidy@ltsp5:~$ cat /proc/mounts | grep home
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| 14:26 | dreidy@ltsp5:~$
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> (also you can try `ls /home/username`)
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| 14:27 | Ah not sure if sshfs would show up in /proc/mounts as it uses fuse
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| 14:27 | Check with ls and with ps
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| 14:27 | <dubkat> ls /home/<me> shows an empty directory
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> getltscfg -a
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| 14:27 | What does this give you?
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| 14:28 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, it gets even funnier
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| 14:28 | <dubkat> too much to paste :)
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> pastebin.com
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| 14:28 | <Hyperbyte> I hope you can help me with this before you go to sleep
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: in about 5 min... shoot :)
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| 14:28 | <Hyperbyte> With one screen, there's half a 'ghost desktop' on the second screen... plugging it in after boot doesn't turn it on
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| 14:28 | So half of the desktop (incidentally, the part with the gnome-panel) isn't visible
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| 14:29 | <dubkat> http://pastebin.ca/2068654
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| 14:29 | <Hyperbyte> If I have two screens, it shows only the right screen with small resolution
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: when you turn off one screen, it's still detected, did you pull out the vga cable?
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| 14:29 | <Hyperbyte> I have xrandr
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> Or are you trying the dual screen thing now?
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| 14:29 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, yes, I pulled the cable out on the back of the client
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| 14:29 | Trying now.
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: ok, pastebin the output of xrandr
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| 14:30 | <Hyperbyte> http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/xrandr-dual.txt
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| 14:30 | DVI doesn't turn on though, but probably because the screen doesn't support 640x480... it's a 24" monitor
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| 14:31 | I think the autodetection is wonky. With one screen plugged it actually detects correctly (or at least xrandr shows reasonable output), but no second screen
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: so if you run e.g. xrandr --output DVI1 --mode 800x600, does it work?
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| 14:32 | <Hyperbyte> I try
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> dubkat: ps -ef|grep sshfs (on the client), does that show anything?
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| 14:33 | (on the local xterm)
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| 14:33 | <dubkat> no
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> It seems that it needs debugging, not enough time to help now, wait for someone else
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| 14:35 | <Hyperbyte> Cannot find crtc for output DVI1
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Fun. Yeah leave it for tomorrow as you said :)
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| 14:36 | <Hyperbyte> Well
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| 14:36 | Problem being that with one really small resolution
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| 14:36 | Or one really big resolution with gnome panel missing
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| 14:36 | It's not gonna work. :(
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Ah, it's not working correctly when you only use 1 monitor?
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| 14:36 | <Hyperbyte> No
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| 14:37 | 1 screen = desktop expanding to second screen
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| 14:37 | 2 screens = desktop on one screen, low resolution
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| 14:38 | This sucks.
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Yeah... well people here with 2 monitors did manage to make them working, but it'll be difficult to find the discussions at the logs
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| 14:39 | And Gadi's not here to help you with his xrandr magic... :-/
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| 14:43 | <Hyperbyte> :(
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| 14:43 | I'm gonna play a bit with XRANDR lts.conf settings I guess
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> Try the one with the 1 screen, it sounds easier for now
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| 14:43 | Login, run xrandr, see the output, and then play with XRANDR* in lts.conf
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| 14:44 | Good luck. And good night all
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| 14:44 | <Hyperbyte> Thanks a bunch
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| 15:18 | <Hyperbyte> :O
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| 15:18 | I'm actually getting closer with this
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| 15:34 | <dreidy> hey
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| 15:34 | it's dubkat
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| 15:34 | i got a problem
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| 15:34 | plz2help
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| 15:34 | i got a problem with my clients all of a sudden, they all say they cant connect to the NBD Server
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| 15:35 | i even rebooted the darn server
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| 15:43 | <Hyperbyte> ps aux | grep nbd-server
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| 15:46 | <dreidy> not running
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| 15:46 | when i try to start it manually, it says "no exports"
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| 15:46 | i didn't touch any of its settings (i dont think), so im not sure why its even an issue now
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| 15:49 | also, isn't that started from inetd ?
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| 15:49 | (and that is running)
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| 15:51 | <Hyperbyte> If it says "no exports" and then fails to start, it's a logical assumption that it starts on boot, just fails
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| 15:52 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 15:54 | I'm sorry, I don't know.
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| 15:54 | ls /opt/ltsp/images/ ?
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| 16:00 | <dreidy> UGH
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| 16:00 | UUUUUUUUUUUUGH
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| 16:00 | one should not touch this stuff when they are over worked and exhausted
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| 16:00 | fixed
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| 16:01 | i totally chowned /opt/ltsp with some wacked permissions
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| 16:01 | probably typed too fast
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| 16:01 | thanks, back latter
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| 17:59 | <dubkat> thanks for your help
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| 17:59 | that was horrible :)
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