IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 31 October 2019 (all times are UTC)
| 00:21 | Leolo_2 has left IRC (Leolo_2!~fil@184-75-132-167.dr.cgocable.ca, Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | |
| 01:33 | dgroos has joined IRC (dgroos!~dagro001@63.225.132.145) | |
| 01:38 | dgroos_ has joined IRC (dgroos_!~dagro001@vpn.mpls.k12.mn.us) | |
| 01:39 | dgroos has left IRC (dgroos!~dagro001@63.225.132.145, Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | |
| 01:39 | dgroos_ is now known as dgroos | |
| 02:34 | dgroos has left IRC (dgroos!~dagro001@vpn.mpls.k12.mn.us, Quit: dgroos) | |
| 03:44 | vagrantc has left IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@unaffiliated/vagrantc, Quit: leaving) | |
| 05:10 | os_a has joined IRC (os_a!~Thunderbi@195.112.116.22) | |
| 05:41 | kjackal has joined IRC (kjackal!~quassel@athedsl-4546118.home.otenet.gr) | |
| 06:01 | statler has joined IRC (statler!~Georg@p5B30EE2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | |
| 06:19 | woernie has joined IRC (woernie!~werner@p57A0E783.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | |
| 06:50 | kjackal has left IRC (kjackal!~quassel@athedsl-4546118.home.otenet.gr, Ping timeout: 268 seconds) | |
| 07:24 | ricotz has joined IRC (ricotz!~ricotz@ubuntu/member/ricotz) | |
| 07:26 | alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Quit: Leaving.) | |
| 07:26 | alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) | |
| 07:32 | alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Quit: Leaving.) | |
| 07:32 | alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) | |
| 07:42 | alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Quit: Leaving.) | |
| 07:42 | alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) | |
| 07:45 | alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Client Quit) | |
| 07:45 | alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) | |
| 07:46 | kjackal has joined IRC (kjackal!~quassel@2a02:587:3107:2e00:c585:f21c:70ac:1f71) | |
| 07:53 | Ark74 has left IRC (Ark74!~Luis@177.238.145.140, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 07:59 | Ark74 has joined IRC (Ark74!~Luis@177.238.145.140) | |
| 08:02 | alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Quit: Leaving.) | |
| 08:02 | alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) | |
| 08:43 | meo has left IRC (meo!~systemdju@unaffiliated/mikeseth, Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | |
| 09:13 | statler_ has joined IRC (statler_!~Georg@gwrz3.lohn24.de) | |
| 11:45 | os_a has left IRC (os_a!~Thunderbi@195.112.116.22, Quit: os_a) | |
| 12:03 | Faith has joined IRC (Faith!~Paty_@unaffiliated/faith) | |
| 12:07 | section1 has joined IRC (section1!~section1@178.33.109.106) | |
| 12:28 | statler has left IRC (statler!~Georg@p5B30EE2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 12:46 | woernie has left IRC (woernie!~werner@p57A0E783.dip0.t-ipconnect.de, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 12:46 | os_a has joined IRC (os_a!~Thunderbi@195.112.116.22) | |
| 12:46 | woernie has joined IRC (woernie!~werner@p57A0E783.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | |
| 13:41 | gp has joined IRC (gp!~gp@96.71.93.13) | |
| 13:49 | gp has left IRC (gp!~gp@96.71.93.13, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 13:50 | gp has joined IRC (gp!~gp@96.71.93.13) | |
| 14:00 | gp has left IRC (gp!~gp@96.71.93.13, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 14:54 | dgroos has joined IRC (dgroos!~dagro001@205.215.175.117) | |
| 14:56 | <dgroos> Hey! I'm in class using ltsp19 and clients can't access the internet. alkisg helped figure out my NAT issue in the ltsp.conf, but this is different.
| |
| 14:57 | When a client tries to go to network manager and enable the wired connection it says:
| |
| 14:58 | <alkisg> Clients don't have access to network manager except for vpn
| |
| 14:58 | !vnc-edide
| |
| 14:58 | <ltsp> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
| |
| 14:58 | <dgroos> "System policy prevents modifcaion of network for all users" and asks for my authentication.
| |
| 15:01 | <alkisg> dgroos: it's nat again; did you disable the ltsp service?
| |
| 15:02 | <dgroos> not that I know...
| |
| 15:02 | <alkisg> It didn't run at system stratup
| |
| 15:02 | You have uptime=50 minutes
| |
| 15:02 | and ltsp last ran yesterday
| |
| 15:02 | and just now that i restarted it, and it says disabled
| |
| 15:03 | <dgroos> yes, I did all 4 steps of the install again, then rebooted the server
| |
| 15:03 | <alkisg> Let me enable it and see... I wonder if it's related to vagrant's changes
| |
| 15:03 | Yeah maybe that's what it is
| |
| 15:03 | The service is there, but not the activation link
| |
| 15:04 | I fixed it for your setup; I need to check if it affects all, and send a fix
| |
| 15:04 | All ok, closing VNC...
| |
| 15:04 | <dgroos> OK thanks!
| |
| 15:04 | <alkisg> np
| |
| 15:05 | <dgroos> Q, do I need to tell students to restart?
| |
| 15:05 | <alkisg> No
| |
| 15:05 | <dgroos> Thanks again :-D
| |
| 15:05 | <alkisg> :)
| |
| 15:59 | Leolo_2 has joined IRC (Leolo_2!~fil@184-75-132-167.dr.cgocable.ca) | |
| 16:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc: somehow the ltsp service doesn't start anymore... package contents before: https://termbin.com/vkdu - package contents after: https://termbin.com/zjt6t - I'll have a look but if I can't solve it via debhelper I'll revert it to what we had before
| |
| 16:02 | I.e. /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/ltsp.service is now missing
| |
| 16:14 | kjackal has left IRC (kjackal!~quassel@2a02:587:3107:2e00:c585:f21c:70ac:1f71, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 16:34 | kjackal has joined IRC (kjackal!~quassel@2a02:587:3107:2e00:a81f:510a:ba0a:2e70) | |
| 16:36 | kjackal has joined IRC (kjackal!~quassel@2a02:587:3107:2e00:a81f:510a:ba0a:2e70) | |
| 17:25 | <dgroos> alkisg: Not sure if this is related, but I updated the login policy w/these directions: https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/login-userlist-disable.html.en
| |
| 17:27 | I think the internet worked before I did this though not positive.
| |
| 17:43 | statler_ has left IRC (statler_!~Georg@gwrz3.lohn24.de, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 17:49 | woernie has left IRC (woernie!~werner@p57A0E783.dip0.t-ipconnect.de, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 18:01 | douglas_br has joined IRC (douglas_br!bb5f6554@187.95.101.84) | |
| 18:02 | <douglas_br> hello
| |
| 18:02 | i have problems
| |
| 18:02 | <alkisg> dgroos: nah, I sent an update to ppa, which included vagrant's packaging changes, which I think were what stopped the service
| |
| 18:03 | douglas_br: hi, hwat problems?
| |
| 18:04 | <douglas_br> I did install education package and update system and ltsp image. After this ltsp "lost" dnsmasq
| |
| 18:04 | <alkisg> I'm not sure what "lost dnsmasq" means
| |
| 18:06 | <douglas_br> I have 2 Nics. so: ltsp -o dnsmasq -d1 -p0 --dns-server=200. nice, after status it show the IP dns. But, I start on client does not show more
| |
| 18:06 | <alkisg> Try this on the server: sudo systemctl restart ltsp
| |
| 18:06 | Does this fix internet connectivity for the clients?
| |
| 18:07 | <douglas_br> wait
| |
| 18:09 | alkisg Does this fix internet connectivity for the clients?
| |
| 18:09 | yes
| |
| 18:09 | only this?
| |
| 18:09 | <alkisg> OK so it was caused by an ltsp update; wait for another one that will fix it
| |
| 18:09 | In the mean time yeah just run this after server reboots
| |
| 18:11 | <douglas_br> ohhhh right
| |
| 18:12 | thanks so much alkis
| |
| 18:19 | gvy has left IRC (gvy!~mike@altlinux/developer/mike, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 18:19 | gvy has joined IRC (gvy!~mike@altlinux/developer/mike) | |
| 18:21 | vagrantc has joined IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@unaffiliated/vagrantc) | |
| 18:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc: somehow the ltsp service doesn't start anymore... package contents before: https://termbin.com/vkdu - package contents after: https://termbin.com/zjt6t - I'll have a look but if I can't solve it via debhelper I'll revert it to what we had before
| |
| 18:22 | (06:02:02 PM) alkisg: I.e. /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/ltsp.service is now missing
| |
| 18:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: huh. worked for me...
| |
| 18:32 | alkisg: maybe it's build-release specific ... e.g. bugs that were fixed in newer versions of debhelper
| |
| 18:32 | i think i've only tested building on sid, running on buster
| |
| 18:33 | alkisg: you could also file issues, as i appear to get all of them :)
| |
| 18:34 | <alkisg> Hehe
| |
| 18:34 | Sure; I was looking for a quick fix though as users lost internet connectivity with yesterday's ppa update
| |
| 18:34 | I'll send one, and file a bug, and we can solve it properly later on
| |
| 18:34 | <vagrantc> fair enough
| |
| 18:35 | <alkisg> The problem was reported on 18.04
| |
| 18:35 | * vagrantc doesn't look forward to maintaining a debian-specific packaging fork... | |
| 18:35 | <alkisg> Eh of *course* not :)
| |
| 18:36 | mwalters has left IRC (mwalters!~ubox@c-73-152-61-86.hsd1.va.comcast.net) | |
| 18:36 | mwalters has joined IRC (mwalters!~ubox@c-73-152-61-86.hsd1.va.comcast.net) | |
| 18:36 | <vagrantc> until resolving the binary download verification issue, going to be stuck in experimental anyways
| |
| 18:37 | <alkisg> I'll have time for that in August, but until then, I'm afraid I won't...
| |
| 18:38 | <vagrantc> i hear you
| |
| 18:38 | i'll try and fix it :)
| |
| 18:38 | <alkisg> ty :)
| |
| 18:38 | <vagrantc> i guess i can assign myself the bug
| |
| 18:38 | <alkisg> (it involves reading a bit, as I'm not very up to date with all the certification mechanisms; you'll surely do a better job, faster)
| |
| 18:39 | <vagrantc> it's a bit ugly, but i can actually probably come up with something fairly quick
| |
| 19:05 | <alkisg> vagrantc: https://packages.debian.org/experimental/all/ltsp/filelist also doesn't contain the "wants" target
| |
| 19:05 | Is it possible that ltsp.service file is copied in debian/ after dh_installsystemd has already ran?
| |
| 19:07 | statler has joined IRC (statler!~Georg@p5B30EE2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | |
| 19:17 | kjackal has left IRC (kjackal!~quassel@2a02:587:3107:2e00:a81f:510a:ba0a:2e70, Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | |
| 19:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not sure how it's "supposed" to work with systemd, honestly
| |
| 19:19 | alkisg: the way i'm using it might depend on a newer debhelper compat level
| |
| 19:21 | <alkisg> Newer than experimental?
| |
| 19:21 | vagrantc: it doesn't work in experimental
| |
| 19:21 | <vagrantc> oh
| |
| 19:22 | well, you're telling it "behave as if you're debhelper 9"
| |
| 19:22 | so it doesn't matter how new it is
| |
| 19:22 | <alkisg> We can do debhelper 10
| |
| 19:22 | I backported it to the xenial ppa
| |
| 19:22 | Don't know if it'll help
| |
| 19:22 | <vagrantc> maybe "dh --with systemd" will work
| |
| 19:22 | 10 might help, yes
| |
| 19:23 | 10 brings: The systemd sequence is now enabled by default. Please pass --without systemd to dh if this is not desirable for a given package.
| |
| 19:23 | though we might be able to use debhelper 9 and "dh --with systemd"
| |
| 19:23 | i'd prefer to upgrade to 10, of course :)
| |
| 19:24 | 11 has even better systemd support
| |
| 19:25 | <alkisg> In my tests, debhelper 10 didn't install in jessie then
| |
| 19:25 | oh no, it installed, but failed to work properly, like now
| |
| 19:25 | ....something like that
| |
| 19:25 | That's why I had that weird code there, for compatibility in all supported versions
| |
| 19:25 | OK I'll run some tests tomorrow
| |
| 19:25 | <vagrantc> dh_installinit --no-scripts might also be something to explore
| |
| 19:26 | or rather, removing it
| |
| 19:26 | * vagrantc would really like to avoid handling it by hand | |
| 19:26 | <vagrantc> though it obviously also needs to work :)
| |
| 19:26 | robert45 has joined IRC (robert45!~robert45@r186-54-48-111.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) | |
| 19:27 | <alkisg> I think my initial idea was "this works everywhere; and let's wait until jessie is unsupported to do it with just debhelper"
| |
| 19:27 | I"ll record my findings now
| |
| 19:27 | <robert45> hey guys, Im trying to boot from a ltsp thin client but Im presented with all this errors, any ideas how to solve it? https://imgur.com/a/51k3IVe
| |
| 19:27 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you mean jessie-lts ?
| |
| 19:28 | alkisg: or stretch ?
| |
| 19:28 | <alkisg> No I'm sure I meant jessie, although I odn't remember if it was lts or not
| |
| 19:28 | <vagrantc> i guess i must not have been using any features that required the ltsp service
| |
| 19:29 | jessie's been out of normal support for at least a couple years
| |
| 19:29 | <alkisg> I had checked the supported dates, so I guess I was looking at the lts one
| |
| 19:30 | from 17th June 2018 to June 30, 2020 ==> yeah that's what I remembered, a year more
| |
| 19:32 | !netplan | echo robert45
| |
| 19:32 | <ltsp> robert45 netplan: To work around https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1763608/comments/47, either update to a new LTSP version, or put this in lts.conf: INIT_COMMAND_RM_NETPLAN="rm -rf /lib/systemd/system-generators/netplan /run/netplan"
| |
| 19:32 | <alkisg> !greek-schools-ppa
| |
| 19:32 | <ltsp> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
| |
| 19:32 | <vagrantc> are there installs actually using ltsp 19.x and needing jessie?
| |
| 19:33 | <robert45> alkisg thanks, trying this now
| |
| 19:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: or does that just align well with ubuntu's oldish lts release?
| |
| 19:34 | alkisg: in any case, i think we might just be able to make the symlink in debian/ltsp.links appropriately and otherwise leave things as they are
| |
| 19:35 | alkisg: that would emulate what you had before, i think...
| |
| 19:35 | <robert45> alkisg you mean in /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf right? Its throwing an error when I add it at the end of the config file: bad option at line 63 of /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf
| |
| 19:43 | ah nevermind, my bad
| |
| 19:56 | <alkisg> (09:32:25 PM) vagrantc: are there installs actually using ltsp 19.x and needing jessie? => eh in my mind it was just "let's support the officially supported releases"; it also happened that all of them are the ones that shipped with systemd;
| |
| 19:56 | and finally, I'd like to be able to boot older systems as ltsp clients, it's convenient for testing with e.g. kernel 3.18 that didn't have some bugs or for running java in a browser that's no longer supported etc
| |
| 19:56 | So I spend a couple of days in making sure it runs in jessie; I wouldn't want to throw that away just because of a couple of lines..
| |
| 19:57 | <robert45> alkisg I have rebooted using your workaround but its still throwing errors and not booting, any advice is very appreciated: https://imgur.com/a/GZj25Me
| |
| 19:57 | <alkisg> robert45: run either of those:
| |
| 19:57 | !vnc-edide
| |
| 19:57 | <ltsp> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
| |
| 19:58 | <alkisg> !vnc-dide
| |
| 19:58 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
| |
| 19:58 | <robert45> alkisg this thin client is on a lan without internet, that is why Im showing photos and not copy/pasting
| |
| 19:58 | <alkisg> robert45: I want to see the server not the client
| |
| 19:59 | Or pastebin your lts.conf
| |
| 19:59 | Remove LDM_PASSWORD if you have that
| |
| 19:59 | section1 has left IRC (section1!~section1@178.33.109.106, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 19:59 | douglas_br has left IRC (douglas_br!bb5f6554@187.95.101.84, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 20:01 | <robert45> alkisg same with the server. As for the lts.conf its almost empty except for the line you said to add, here is the lts.conf https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Ct9c5kV5J7/
| |
| 20:02 | <alkisg> robert45: you need this: [Default] instead of [example]
| |
| 20:02 | Change line 1 there, then reboot client
| |
| 20:02 | <robert45> alkisg Thanks, trying now
| |
| 20:12 | <alkisg> So I think the trend is to use epoptes.org instead of www.epoptes.org, right? E.g. googling about "gitlab" or "github" show gitlab.com etc...
| |
| 20:13 | We pointed the epoptes.org domain to epoptes.github.io, it works great, it even has https now :D
| |
| 20:13 | I'm waiting from Jim and Ron to see if they want that for ltsp.org too, or if we'll just let it expire
| |
| 20:14 | (or if they'll keep it for emails etc...)
| |
| 20:17 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it might also be possible to backport newer debhelper to jessie ...
| |
| 20:17 | <alkisg> vagrantc: initial test with compat=10 => works
| |
| 20:18 | Give me a moment to take a second look
| |
| 20:18 | Built on bionic, installed on jessie
| |
| 20:18 | <vagrantc> oh, that's not too bad
| |
| 20:19 | *might* even get away with compat=10 on debhelper 9 ... but that's a bit ugly
| |
| 20:20 | <alkisg> OK everything seems fine; jessie users may use the xenial PPA, which has debhelper=10 after I enabled backports
| |
| 20:20 | <vagrantc> yay!
| |
| 20:20 | that seems like a much cleaner option :)
| |
| 20:20 | <alkisg> Commiting + sending a build. Yay true! :)
| |
| 20:21 | dpkg -L ltsp => doesn't show the wants file, but I guess that's how debhelper prefers it
| |
| 20:21 | I was just shipping the symlink in the .deb before
| |
| 20:21 | debhelper does that on postinst
| |
| 20:22 | On the plus side, it starts the service on postinst, so it will enable nat too :D
| |
| 20:22 | (if ip=192.168.67.1 etc)
| |
| 20:23 | statler has left IRC (statler!~Georg@p5B30EE2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 20:30 | <vagrantc> yeah.
| |
| 20:31 | * vagrantc is kinda weirded out by fiddling with firewall out-of-the-box but will just accept it | |
| 20:31 | <alkisg> Firewall?
| |
| 20:31 | <vagrantc> enabling NAT requires changes to firewall rules
| |
| 20:31 | <alkisg> You mean masquerade?
| |
| 20:32 | iptables?
| |
| 20:32 | <vagrantc> whatever you call it, it's implemented in the firewalling rules
| |
| 20:32 | or nftables on newer installs
| |
| 20:32 | <alkisg> I'm not sure if it's about terminology, but I'm not touching any firewalls; I'm not even using one in my installations...
| |
| 20:32 | I think firewall can be implemented on top of iptables etc
| |
| 20:33 | <vagrantc> iptables is firewalling
| |
| 20:33 | <alkisg> But that's an add-on...
| |
| 20:33 | <vagrantc> nat is implemented via firewall rules
| |
| 20:33 | <alkisg> iptables can route traffic, change ports etc
| |
| 20:33 | firewall is just a tiny subset of what iptables can do
| |
| 20:33 | <vagrantc> sounds like we're in a terminology debate :P
| |
| 20:33 | <alkisg> ...or my terminology is completely wrong :)
| |
| 20:33 | :)
| |
| 20:34 | <vagrantc> touching iptables/nftables rules weirds me out
| |
| 20:34 | <alkisg> apt install ufw or other firewalls etc does that though
| |
| 20:34 | In our case, NAT=1 means "yeah I want to do that"
| |
| 20:35 | (in ltsp.conf)
| |
| 20:35 | <vagrantc> sure... it's just those things are more specifically targetted at that domain ... like i said, i'll accept it
| |
| 20:36 | that it's only enabled when the magic LTSP network is present makes it kinda ok
| |
| 20:43 | dgroos has left IRC (dgroos!~dagro001@205.215.175.117, Quit: dgroos) | |
| 20:47 | <robert45> alkisg Looks its booting now, some progress at last, thank you! However, it seems to get stuck after I finish the basic setup. Any ideas? https://imgur.com/a/mbWnfjn
| |
| 20:48 | sorry for the bad quality of the photos
| |
| 20:51 | Faith has left IRC (Faith!~Paty_@unaffiliated/faith, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 20:53 | <robert45> nevermind, it shutdown and now its on another screen, still testing
| |
| 20:57 | alkisg ok so its a bit buggy right now, for example I cant login. syslog shows this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8N4rbmxWdq/
| |
| 20:57 | could it be related?
| |
| 21:01 | ricotz has left IRC (ricotz!~ricotz@ubuntu/member/ricotz, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 21:08 | <robert45> ok so I rebooted and its fine now!
| |
| 21:46 | kjackal has joined IRC (kjackal!~quassel@2a02:587:3107:2e00:ddb1:8d31:3263:a00e) | |
| 22:20 | kjackal has left IRC (kjackal!~quassel@2a02:587:3107:2e00:ddb1:8d31:3263:a00e, Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | |
| 23:06 | <robert45> hey guys, so I finally got my ltsp thin client working, but its actually asking me to re-setup the machine everytime I reboot the client, is there anyway the changes to persists? See here: https://imgur.com/a/z4GV7z0
| |
| 23:43 | vagrantc has left IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@unaffiliated/vagrantc, Quit: leaving) | |