IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
| 00:05 | <Empiric> hai
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| 00:05 | i have a prb on my ltsp server
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| 00:05 | i have 70 users
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| 00:05 | on hp sun server
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| 00:05 | with 5 gb ram
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| 00:05 | 3 gig cpu
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| 00:06 | one of my users complain that
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| 00:06 | if some one saves a word file of 5 mb
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| 00:06 | all desktop goes slow until that file is saved
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| 00:06 | any idea wahts this
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| 01:26 | <ThinClient> hi
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| 01:32 | <ThinClient> listen
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| 01:32 | the 12 steps for local device support are necessary for fedora ltsp distribution
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| 01:36 | <vagrantc> ThinClient: is it not working for you?
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| 01:36 | <ThinClient> yes i m getting problem
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| 01:36 | but are these steps are necessary for fedora LTSP distribution
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| 01:37 | <vagrantc> LTSP 4.2 on fedora, or something different?
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| 01:38 | <ThinClient> i m using Fedora k-12 Distribution
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| 01:38 | n LTSP 4.3
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| 01:40 | <vagrantc> cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/versionn
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| 01:40 | or rather, cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
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| 01:41 | <ThinClient> [root@mainframe ~]# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
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| 01:41 | #
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| 01:41 | # Linux Terminal Server Project - LTSP
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| 01:41 | # For more info, visit http://www.ltsp.org
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| 01:41 | #
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| 01:41 | VERSION=4.2 update 3
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| 01:41 | [root@mainframe ~]#
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| 01:41 | <vagrantc> i would think the 12 steps are what you need, then.
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| 01:41 | !checklist
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| 01:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 01:42 | <ThinClient> i have done those 12 steps but the problem is still there
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| 01:42 | <vagrantc> what is the problem?
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| 01:46 | <ThinClient> well give me some time . i have to document all this again n i will talk to u
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| 01:47 | <vagrantc> ThinClient: well, i must sleep. good luck! :)
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| 04:56 | <ohmbr> hi, i have ltsp-4.2 and I cant configure abnt keyboard..
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| 04:56 | I looked for it on ltsp.org... but ther explain how to configure it on ltsp 3...
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| 04:57 | does somebody know where can i find some thing to fix it?
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| 05:08 | <deep-blue> hello
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| 05:10 | <deep-blue> im running ltsp. Should i get kicker after login in with kdm?
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| 05:10 | <deep-blue> and with kicker i mean the "taskbar"
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| 05:11 | i only get a console, i think its xterm
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| 05:20 | <ohmbr> I found the solution to the keyboard abnt to ltsp-4 ... how do I put it on wiki?
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| 05:21 | <deep-blue> ohmbr: can you tell me, should i get the taskbar with the default ltsp-setup? X starts nicely, but i only get xterm
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| 05:22 | and im trying to use kde
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| 05:24 | <ohmbr> deep-blue: sorry... i dont know...
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| 05:24 | <deep-blue> no problem
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| 06:43 | <yanu> i can buy a compaq T20 thin client, does those work well with ltsp?
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| 07:02 | <cliebow_> yanu:never tried one..will it pxe boot?
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| 07:22 | <yanu> some of then, that's what i read on googlo
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| 07:25 | <yanu> s/then/them and s/googlo/google
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| 07:28 | acha, when it have pxe, then there is no problem (List: ltsp-discuss)
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| 07:36 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 07:43 | <yanu> hmm, wierd machine so to see, i'm don't like it (compac T20)
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| 07:58 | <cliebow_> yanu:i give typing classes if you need them 8~)
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| 08:07 | <yanu> do you give classes on dvorak? ;)
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| 08:16 | <pscheie> jammcq: are you on?
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| 08:22 | <jammcq> pscheie: yep
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| 08:30 | <cliebow_> T33gan03
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| 08:36 | <pscheie> jammcq: I'm trying to get a better understanding of how X works on the client.
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| 08:36 | my specific problem is a new desktop machine that I also use as a thin client via etherboot floppy
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| 08:37 | I have FC6 installed on the client machine. It says it's using a vesa driver for X and gives me 1600x1200
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| 08:37 | But the best res I can get as a thin client is 1024x768, also using the vesa driver. why is that?
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| 08:38 | Is vesa driver !- vesa driver?
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| 08:38 | That is, is it a case of not all vesa drivers are the same?
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| 08:39 | The FC6 correctly identifies the vid hardware, but LTSP says it can't identify it and falls back to vesa
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| 08:39 | <jammcq> umm
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| 08:40 | the default resolution in LTSP is 1024x768
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| 08:40 | what happens if you specify: X_MODE_0 = 1600x1200
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| 08:40 | <pscheie> I get 1024x768
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| 08:43 | <pscheie> Actually, I didn't try 1600x1200; I just tried 1280x1024 but still got just 1024x768
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| 08:45 | Another related question: yesterday someone was on asking for help with an old 1MB Cirrus Logic vid card
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| 08:45 | He could only get 640x480 on the client.
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| 08:46 | The wiki talks about trying some of the old XFree86 drivers, but those aren't shipped any more (the wiki page is old I suspect)
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| 08:47 | In theory, should one be able to install an old driver from, say, an old distro or an old package that contains an XFree86 driver
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| 08:49 | put the files in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/bin and use that?
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| 08:52 | <jammcq> ah, the dreaded cirrus logic
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| 08:52 | no, an old driver won't work with ltsp-4.x
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| 08:52 | we no longer include XFree86
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| 08:52 | but... I think the cirrus logic cards will work with the 'cirrus_alpine' driver
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| 08:54 | <pscheie> why isn't XFree86 included any more? I'm not suggesting that it should be, I'm just trying to understand why it isn't.
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| 08:54 | <jammcq> it's too much to maintain
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| 08:54 | <pscheie> Does is all have to be compiled for LTSP?
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| 08:55 | <jammcq> Xorg and XFree86 are huge
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| 08:55 | yes, it all has to be compiled for LTSP, in the LBE
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| 08:55 | <pscheie> Ah, within the LBE; that's where I was heading...
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| 08:56 | Isn't the point of muekow to get away from that, to use the distro's packages?
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| 08:57 | <jammcq> yep
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| 08:57 | in which case you'll definately not have XFree86
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| 08:58 | <pscheie> but if it's supposed to just use the distro's packages, what prevents one from using it on top of, say rh7.3?
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| 08:58 | Or does the distro have to add some things to support muekow?
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> someone would have to create an LTSP-5 for rh7.3
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| 08:58 | it requires alot of integration with the distro
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| 08:58 | packaging, startup scripts and other things
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| 08:59 | it also requires modifications to the distro initramfs to support network booting and nfs root
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| 08:59 | that's why it's so hard to get it going
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| 09:00 | <pscheie> with 4.2 you're still building the initramfs, right?
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| 09:00 | i.e., the initramfs comes from ltsp project
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> right, with 4.2, WE build the initramfs
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| 09:05 | <pscheie> so, if one were to take the source files for XFree86 and compile them within LBE, then one could use an XF86 driver?
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> it's not just the driver
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| 09:05 | you'd need all of XFree86
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| 09:06 | <pscheie> So, in earlier versions of ltsp you used to re-compile all of Xfree86?
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| 09:06 | <jammcq> yep, in fact, we built both XFree86 and Xorg
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| 09:08 | <pscheie> and now you just re-compile Xorg?
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> yep
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| 09:10 | <pscheie> are there docs on the wiki or elsewhere about lbe? What I'm wondering is why you have to re-compile Xorg.
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> it's not 'RE-COMPILE'
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| 09:11 | it's "compile"
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| 09:11 | we build everything that the thin client executes, INCLUDING Xorg
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| 09:12 | <pscheie> At the time X is started, you've already got a running kernel. What is different about ltsp's Xorg over that of the distro?
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> hang on, ph call
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| 09:14 | <pscheie> Now that I think about it, the kernel and everything underneath is going to be different from the distro, so I suppose Xorg has to be built to work with that.
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| 09:14 | That's why you have to build your own Xorg, I'll bet.
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> right
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| 09:15 | EVERYTHING the thin client executes is built in LBE
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| 09:16 | using a consistent set of libraries and compilers and linkers and all that stuff
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| 09:16 | <klausade> anyone using ltsp4.2 and ltspinfo to shutdown the client and wakeonlan/etherwake to power them up again?
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> klausade: not me
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| 09:17 | <pscheie> I recall Eric saying that while using ltspinfo to shutdown clients looked nifty, it was a bad idea, and therefore turned off by default, because anyone could cause a client to shutdown, right?
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> it's a security issue
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| 09:18 | <klausade> well, ltspinfo -s leaves the machine in such a state that wol doesn't work. While the same machine when running thick(or halfthick muecow) will come up with wol after a init 0.
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| 09:18 | pscheie: that is a downside yes. but it also has a nice side to it :-)
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| 09:19 | <pscheie> klausade: oh I agree. I'm thinking of showing it to some teachers with the caveat that there is some risk.
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| 09:19 | but I expect this to be in an elementary school setting, where the kids won't have the tech chops to figure it out
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| 09:20 | <ju4nch0_> alguien habla español?
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| 09:20 | <klausade> pscheie: well, they always have elder brothers/sisters ...
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| 09:21 | <pscheie> right, but they're not in the classroom. I'll show it, but let the teacher make the call.
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| 09:35 | <mistik1> jammcq: what brought on the phasing out of the old website
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| 09:36 | <jammcq> mistik1: sourceforge screwed up their vhost records, rendering the old site unreachable
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| 09:36 | <cliebow_> dminFl00rt1mb3r
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| 09:36 | <jammcq> so, when they did that, I pointed it to the wiki
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| 09:36 | then, later, they fixed it
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| 09:36 | <mistik1> oh, ok
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| 09:37 | <cliebow_> stesterquasim0do
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| 09:37 | <jammcq> mistik1: check this: http://wiki1.ltsp.org/home.html
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| 09:40 | <mistik1> ¤hold on lemme fire up X
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| 09:42 | jammcq: putting the old face on the wiki, eh?
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> just a little bit
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| 09:43 | <mistik1> looks great
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> still needs some work
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| 09:44 | <mistik1> I love a front page that dont have you scrolling all day
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| 09:44 | <jammcq> i'd like to launch it as THE www.ltsp.org site by Jan 1st
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| 09:44 | I could prolly do it now
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| 09:44 | I'd get occasional complaints that people come to www.ltsp.org and can't figure out what ltsp is
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| 09:46 | <jammcq> hey, look who showed up
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| 09:46 | * Gadi looks to his left, looks to his right, looks behind | |
| 09:47 | <pscheie> 'morning Gadi, oh guru of sound ;-)
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> oh, now I se...
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| 09:47 | er, see....
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| 09:47 | Tommy, can you hear me?
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> so, whats up?
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| 09:48 | <jammcq> Gadi: your brother from another mother is here today :)
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| 09:49 | <pscheie> Gadi: did you see the message on the list from Barry Cisna about the via vt1612?
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> yeah, so Im glad my dad isn't ;)
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| 09:49 | I havent seen the list in days :(
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| 09:49 | * Gadi looks | |
| 09:52 | <Gadi> hmm... vt1612
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| 09:52 | <pscheie> There isn't an audio equivalent of a vesa driver :-(
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| 09:52 | although SB drivers often work since most cards emulate them
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| 09:53 | <pscheie> As I said to jammcq about X, I'm just trying to broaden my understanding of how this works.
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| 09:53 | I think sound in ltsp is black box for a lot of folks, including me
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| 09:54 | so, does ltsp have to build a driver for the vt1612?
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| 09:54 | <jammcq> yep
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| 09:55 | apparently it's the via 7019 driver that works
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| 09:55 | with some modification
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> it looks like it uses the via vinyl driver
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| 09:55 | <pscheie> how do you know that?
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> rather than the ac97 one
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| 09:55 | http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=5&ArticleID=466&P=2
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| 09:55 | google is ur friend
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| 09:56 | dunno where the linux driver is at with it
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> google is my ONLY friend
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> did the regular via driver work?
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| 09:56 | and did you try the ALSA one?
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| 09:57 | <pscheie> dunno; I suggested he try knoppix to figure out a working driver
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> 7019? I believe ClaudioFelix has a driver rolled for that
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| 09:57 | for 4.2
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| 09:58 | you may want to pounce him when he gets in
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| 09:58 | jammcq: I'll be ur friend
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| 09:58 | after New Years
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| 09:58 | at a reduced rate
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| 09:58 | ;)
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| 09:59 | pscheie: if the soundcard is sb-compatible, you could use sb
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| 09:59 | sometimes, you need legacy audio support in the bios
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| 09:59 | if it is onboard sound
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| 09:59 | brb
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| 10:00 | <pscheie> I have a client machine with an old SB-compatible ISA card
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| 10:00 | <mistik1> pscheie: good luck my friend
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| 10:00 | <pscheie> Sound works without even specifying any parameters for it in lts.conf
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| 10:00 | <mistik1> that sb driver was the bane of my existence
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| 10:01 | Is ltsp using alsa yet?
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| 10:01 | <pscheie> well, it's not my problem really, it was someone on the list. But no doubt I'll run into it someday
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| 10:01 | gadi has a package that does
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| 10:01 | saved my neck on a bunch of dell laptop clients
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| 10:02 | <mistik1> bbl
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| 10:49 | <mistik1> jammcq: are there any pressing reasons to upgrade my clients to ltsp-4.2?
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| 10:49 | <jammcq> 4.2 has awesome local device support
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| 10:50 | and uses less ram than previous versions
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| 10:50 | <mistik1> hmmm
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> but i've still got ltsp-3 running at one of my customers
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> jammcq: just how little ram does 4.2 use?
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| 10:50 | <mistik1> I currently have them on 4.1
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> 4.1 didn't have "awesome local device support"
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> mistik1: ??? is that really you?
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| 10:51 | <mistik1> I have two customers on 4.1 right now
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| 10:51 | * Gadi rubs eyes | |
| 10:51 | <mistik1> Gadi: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:51 | <jammcq> Gadi: that's your "brother from another mother" that I mentioned earlier
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> uhm. are you the REAL mistik1?
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| 10:51 | <mistik1> yessir
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| 10:51 | * Gadi pokes mistik1 ever so gently | |
| 10:51 | <mistik1> hey that tickles
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> and, hear I thought you were just a story they told the kids this time of year
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| 10:52 | but, you're real!
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| 10:52 | <mistik1> lol
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| 10:52 | * Gadi punches mistik1 across the face | |
| 10:52 | <Gadi> where the hell have you been?
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| 10:52 | :)
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| 10:52 | <mistik1> one day i'll get a chance to tell everyone the whole story
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| 10:53 | <Gadi> crap - we have to buy the rights
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| 10:53 | <mistik1> Its rather like a horible nightmare
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> only good things, mistik1, only good things
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| 10:54 | <mistik1> I think I may start a blog sometime just for the last 3 months
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| 11:50 | <flowgate> ng 1
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| 12:44 | <the_5th_wheel> anyone here know if i can do passwordless login on edubuntu with ltsp?
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| 12:54 | <pscheie> the_5th_wheel: haven't tried it on ubuntu, but gdm and kdm have provisions for autologin
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| 12:55 | I've got autologin using gdm on Fedora; I know others who are doing it with kdm on fedora
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| 12:56 | <the_5th_wheel> thanx.
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| 12:56 | will look in the morrow
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> the_5th_wheel: i don't think there's any way to do that with LDM, but you could probably do it with GDM.
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| 13:09 | the_5th_wheel: so, you'd have to set something like SCREEN_07=startx in lts.conf
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| 14:19 | <cliebow_> jammcq: you do linuxworld new york?
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| 14:19 | this year?
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| 15:57 | <cliebow> jammcq: you doing linuxworld new york?
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| 16:02 | <jammcq> cliebow: there's no lw in new york anymore. they are doing a much smaller show at the marriot, something like 'Linux World Business Summit'
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| 16:59 | <cliebow> jammcq:i see..same name different rig
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| 17:04 | <jammcq> huh?
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| 17:16 | <cr3> hi folks! I'm trying to run ltsp on edgy and I get a session but it crashes a few seconds after login. I'm trying to diagnose the problem and what I notice so far is that dbus-daemon is running twice, once as user messagebus and another time as one of the users from the thin clients.
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| 17:19 | <cr3> in my .xsession-errors file, I get: Lost connection to the display 'localhost:11.0';
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| 17:20 | by the way, my session crashes even if I don't do anything and just wait for it to crash by itself
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: a few relatively small patches for your ltsp-mainline branch: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/vagrant-ltsp-mainline/
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| 17:57 | <chupacabra> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2006-12-29T065320Z_01_N28216794_RTRUKOC_0_US-SADDAM.xml&WTmodLoc=EntNewsHome_C1_%5bFeed%5d-8
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| 17:59 | oops wrong channel.
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| 21:24 | <chupacabra> addam Hussein is dead
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| 21:47 | <chupacabra> do i feel safer?
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| 22:22 | <jammcq> I don't
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