IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:59 | <johnny> hmm.. how is the ssh key auth for guest login supposed to work? what do i put where?
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| 06:28 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: looks like I might skip UDS, after all. are you gonna be at LinuxTag?
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| 06:28 | <ogra> yes, i'm runing the ubuntu grill
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| 06:28 | (last Q&A session last day)
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| 06:28 | Q-FUNK, and indeed i'll be at the ubuntu BBQ later that evening
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| 06:33 | <Q-FUNK> excellent :)
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| 06:34 | ogra: I'm gonna be there for the Coreboot sessions, myself. they're doing a live porting to DBE61
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| 06:34 | <ogra> nice
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| 06:34 | i'll attend that if my schedule permits
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| 06:34 | <Q-FUNK> the port already exists for v2, but now they're wrapping up v3.
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| 06:35 | ogra: can you bring your thincans with you? I'd update the firmware on both.
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| 06:36 | <ogra> if you have a power supply with you ... my bad is already quite full so i'd like to save weight
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| 06:36 | s/bad/bag/
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| 07:02 | <Q-FUNK> yes, I can bring one
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| 07:03 | <ogra> great, then i'll bring my clients :)
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| 07:06 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: is sbalneav also coming to either UDS or LT?
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| 07:07 | <Blinny> ogra: Ever get a chance to think about that policykit stuff - administering a server via the 'Unlock' button from the thin client?
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| 07:14 | <sergiu26_buc> i need to install centos using PXE
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| 07:14 | the server is running FreeBSD
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| 07:14 | <davidj> sergiu26_buc: Hello
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| 07:14 | <sergiu26_buc> :P
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| 07:15 | <davidj> Look at ltsp.org first ;-)
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| 07:15 | <sergiu26_buc> well....no FreeBSD support as i see
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| 07:15 | :((
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| 07:16 | just major linux distros
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| 07:18 | <ogra> Blinny, sorry, no, i'll take a deeper look after UDS, currently i'm so swamped in other stuff that i dont get much to ltsp
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| 07:18 | <davidj> sergiu26_buc: The technologies used are standard unix tools.
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| 07:19 | <Blinny> Ok right on.
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| 07:19 | <ogra> sergiu26_buc, the principle is the same across the board
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| 07:19 | <davidj> sergiu26_buc: tftp, nfs, bootp or dhcpd
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| 07:19 | <davidj> ogra: Do you know if freebsd has nbd?
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| 07:20 | <ogra> davidj, he wants t install centos using etboot i doubt he needs nbd :)
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| 07:20 | *netboot
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| 07:20 | <davidj> a fair point ;-)
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| 07:20 | <ogra> no idea if they have it in their kernel though
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| 07:22 | <sergiu26_buc> well....the server is FreeBSD...i made a clean os using the actual server OS for the PXE box...and it's working
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| 07:23 | but how do i install a different operating system
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| 07:27 | <davidj> sergiu26_buc: Option 1:
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| 07:28 | put a hard drive in the diskless system, install centos, move the hard drive to the server and tell it to export it read-write to the diskless system.
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| 07:29 | <sergiu26_buc> aha
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| 07:29 | OR? :D
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| 07:29 | <davidj> You will need to hack around a bit to build an initrd and pxe image; the ltsp 4 wiki can probably help with that.
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| 07:29 | OR:
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| 07:29 | OR depends on the purpose of the machine.
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| 07:30 | <ogra> doesnt centos have a netboot install image ?
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| 07:30 | <sergiu26_buc> what about a boot loader ? what if i want to install diferent distros on the FreeBSD server...all for the same diskless machine
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| 07:30 | <ogra> like debian or ubuntu do ?
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| 07:30 | <davidj> sergiu26_buc: pxe is your boot loader.
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| 07:30 | <sergiu26_buc> well...i could get a menu right?
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| 07:30 | u know, to select what i want to boot
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| 07:31 | <davidj> pxe does permit a menu.
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| 07:31 | <sergiu26_buc> excelent
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| 07:31 | anyways i need a hdd in it
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| 07:31 | thanks for your time
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| 07:31 | <davidj> sergiu26_buc: Does freebsd support ext3 ?
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| 07:31 | If not, you will need to tinker a bit.
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| 07:32 | <sergiu26_buc> yup
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| 07:32 | will see...step by step :D
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| 07:32 | i was under the impression that i could install whatever OS i want to...eve windows or solaris
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| 07:32 | <davidj> You will need to pass some parameters to the kernel at boot time to tell it where to find the root filesystem, look in the ltsp wiki.
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| 07:33 | <sergiu26_buc> that is done by dhcpd.conf
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| 07:33 | <davidj> I don't think windows supports remote root filesystems.
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| 07:33 | Yes, kernel parameters are in dhcpd.conf or in pxe config
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| 07:33 | <sergiu26_buc> well...it might not know that is remote
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| 07:33 | <sergiu26_buc> i use pxe with dhcpd instead of etherboot with bootpd
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| 07:34 | ok then, thanks for u're time
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| 07:34 | <davidj> I use pxe iwth dhcpd. Here's the entry in pxelinux.conf I use to install Centos 5;
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| 07:35 | label c5
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| 07:35 | kernel c51/vmlinuz
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| 07:35 | append initrd=c51/initrd lang=en_US.UTF-8 keymap=us vnc vncconnect=192.168.0.251 ip=dhcp method=nfs:192.168.0.251:/opt/centos5 rescue
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| 07:35 | That's it.
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| 07:35 | The initrd in this case is in the images directory of the first Centos CD
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| 07:36 | <sergiu26_buc> i figured
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| 07:36 | ok then...i'll get to work
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| 07:36 | <davidj> This line would not work for a regular Centos setup, it's for remote installs.
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| 07:36 | Have fun!
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| 07:36 | <sergiu26_buc> thanks :)
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| 07:54 | <spo0ner> good morning (here anyways) anyone around today?
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| 08:13 | <mhterres> hi ogra
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| 08:16 | <ogra> mhterres, hey
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| 08:17 | <mhterres> ogra, are you the responsible for ltsp ubuntu packages, am I right ?
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| 08:17 | <ogra> right
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| 08:18 | <mhterres> great
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| 08:18 | so maybe you can indicate me someone that can help me with ltsp and kiosk mode
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| 08:18 | :-)
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| 08:19 | using the ltsp-build-client --kiosk command
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| 08:19 | <ogra> whats your prob with it ?
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| 08:20 | <mhterres> I run the command and now I don't know how to configure the kiosk mode, and I didn't find any documentation about this
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| 08:20 | my goal is to start the client and it boots and start firefox
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| 08:20 | and if I close firefox I need to logout :-)
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| 08:20 | <ogra> thats what kiosk does atm
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| 08:21 | you need ip forwarding enabled on the server and i'd suggest to take a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/firewall.html
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| 08:21 | beyond that it should just work out of the box
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| 08:23 | for configuring i.e. a different startpage i fear you need to manually modify a firefox config on the server, copy it to the client chroot into /home/kiosk and re-roll the image, i'll look into a better methid for intrepid (kiosk is a somewhat unloved stepchild)
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| 08:23 | <mhterres> but how can I set firefox to start ?
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| 08:23 | this is my main doubt :-)
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| 08:23 | <ogra> the --kiosk mode does that automatically
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| 08:24 | it sets up a kiosk user in the chroot with ~/.xsession
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| 08:24 | <mhterres> so the --kiosk option is set firefox as the default app ?
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| 08:24 | <ogra> right
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| 08:24 | <mhterres> oh great :-)
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| 08:24 | I'll take a look
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| 08:24 | thx
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| 08:24 | <ogra> it creates the user in the chroot, sets gdm up for autologin and puts ~/.xsession in place for a fullscreen firefox session
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| 08:36 | <mhterres> ogra, the strange part is: If I put the TC to boot in the kiosk mode, it logs in X and does nothing
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| 08:36 | I'll look better know that I understand how it works
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| 08:42 | <Nubae> italc does very weird things on my system, sometimes it shows the clients, other times it doesn't... and I can only connect via localhost:port number, is that normal?
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| 08:43 | I have all my clients defined by ip and mac address, but that seems irrelevant in italc, as it tells me the users are not connected when trying to connect directly via ip and mac address
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| 08:44 | <stgraber> you can't connect directly as ica (the client part of italc) is running on the server, not on the clients
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| 08:45 | for LTSP, it's always localhost:10000+<last byte of ip>
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| 08:47 | <spo0ner> has anyone had any experience with seamless rdp?
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| 08:49 | in particular, I'm just trying to verify that the NoDesktop DWORD registry key being set to a value of 1 won't jack anything up on a Win2K3 server
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| 08:50 | I know this room is primarily for ltsp but I can't find any other resource to see if anyone else has done this
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| 08:54 | <Nubae> stgraber: thanks, makes sense
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| 08:57 | <Nubae> I still get no user logged in
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| 08:57 | like it finds the client, but then not the username
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| 08:58 | * ogra had to use the external IP of the server instead of localhost | |
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| 08:58 | <stgraber> ogra: oh, that's weird ... anyway, demo mode and tcp stuff have been rewritten in 1.0.8 so that kind of stuff should be fixed
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| 08:59 | <ogra> well, it worked fine then, just not with localhost or 127.0.0.1
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| 08:59 | <Nubae> hmm, its very strange on my system, some users come up, others dont, seems completely random
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| 09:00 | <ogra> all using gnome ?
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| 09:00 | <Nubae> yep
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| 09:02 | when I try to add a computer and do localhost:10000+lastbyteofip or 192.168.0.254 or 127.0.0.1, it seems to find the client, but not the user connected to it
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| 09:03 | <ogra> 192.168.0.254 is likely not the external ip
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| 09:03 | <stgraber> Nubae: that may mean that ica (client part) has crashed
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| 09:03 | <ogra> sounds like the default for the TC network
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| 09:04 | <stgraber> Nubae: try closing the session and reopen
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| 09:08 | <Nubae> ogra: it isnt, external ip is 192.168.1.42, should I be using that?
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| 09:09 | <ogra> Nubae, try that ...
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| 09:09 | <Nubae> nah, still get no user logged in
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| 09:09 | <ogra> i.e. for a client with IP 192.168.0.250 use: 192.168.1.42:10250
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| 09:10 | <Nubae> ah wait... I'm doing 10000250
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| 09:10 | :-)
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| 09:36 | <nantes_geek> hi !
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| 09:37 | is there anyone who have a problem with a saned into a ltsp5 ? i haven't any error, juste saned isn't running
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| 09:37 | ( the scan is detected by scanimage -L )
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| 09:41 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 09:43 | <nantes_geek> good evening !
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| 09:44 | <Nubae> or afternoon
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| 09:44 | <jammcq> :)
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| 09:49 | <Nubae> smbldap-tools creates an empty /etc/smbldap-tools directory on hardy
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| 10:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, hey
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| 10:05 | i talked to mdz about the -ac :)
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| 10:06 | he admitted it was from his very first ldm variant :) and asked that we please switch off tcp access generally (at least in the default)
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 10:08 | <ogra> (adding "-nolisten tcp" )
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| 10:09 | * ogra sighs about openssl | |
| 10:09 | <ogra> yay, half the world regenerates keys
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| 10:09 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 10:09 | eeyk.
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| 10:10 | i think one of my keys actually pre-dates the vulnerability, though.
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| 10:10 | <ogra> most of mine do luckily
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| 10:10 | only the recent ones dont ...
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| 10:18 | <nantes_geek> is there anyone who have a problem with a saned into a ltsp5 ? i haven't any error, juste saned isn't running
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| 10:18 | ( the scan is detected by scanimage -L )
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| 10:19 | * stgraber only has to regen one ssh key | |
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> i'm guessing many server-side keys will need to be regenerated....
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| 10:25 | <ogra> vagrantc, ergh, strikes me ... *lots* of ltsp installs need to regenerate
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| 10:25 | should we send a note pointing to the debian and ubuntu security announces to ltsp-devel ?
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| 10:25 | <Blinny> openssl security vulnerability?
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| 10:26 | Ah I see.
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| 10:26 | <Q-FUNK> *sigh*
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| 10:27 | <johnny> vagrantc, how does one auth users via ssh keys for guest ?
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: probably the broader lists, really ...
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> johnny: create the key in the chroot's /root/.ssh/identity or id_dsa or id_rsa files...
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| 10:29 | <Blinny> I wouldn't mind seeing one in ltsp-discuss
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> johnny: add the corresponding .pub to the ~/.authorized_keys files for all the users that you want to be able to autologin
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| 10:31 | <stgraber> oh, my ssh key seems to have been generated before Feisty !!! I didn't think it was that old :)
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| 10:32 | * ogra generated his ssh key on debian woody if he remembers right | |
| 10:34 | <vagrantc> stgraber: before 2006 ?
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| 10:34 | <stgraber> 2005 it seems
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| 10:34 | <Blinny> ltsp-update-sshkeys just reads the host keys from /etc/ssh right?
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| 10:35 | <stgraber> looks like all broken SSH keys were removed from Launchpad
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| 10:35 | <Blinny> 'least.. that's what I'm reading in it
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| 10:37 | <johnny> uggh..it sucks i have to rebuild my image..
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| 10:37 | so.. is the patched version in hardy already?
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| 10:41 | <stgraber> johnny: it's been uploaded to hardy-security a few hours ago so I'd assume so
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| 10:42 | <Blinny> Yes, it's available.
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| 10:44 | <stgraber> ok, so update, it should force host keys to be regenerated (at least that's what the changelog says)
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| 10:45 | <Blinny> I didn't see that happen/mentioned in the safe-ugprade so I did it manually.
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| 10:48 | <spo0ner> can anyone provide assistance on a seamless rdp question?
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| 10:56 | can someone just let me know if they can see me?
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| 10:56 | just want to make sure
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| 10:56 | <stgraber> we can
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| 10:56 | <spo0ner> cool...ty
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| 11:54 | <dberkholz> cool
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| 11:54 | http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-PackageNotes.html#sn-ltsp -- "The Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP) has been included directly into Fedora 9. Work is ongoing."
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| 12:43 | * ogra wonders how to include it indirectly :P | |
| 12:44 | <Q-FUNK> #include <human/sex.h>
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| 12:44 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, oh, you missed dberkholz' paste :)
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> so, is mii-tool the only way to know if a network cable is plugged into an interface or can that be retrieved from sysfs these days?
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| 12:50 | <jammcq> ethtool
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> how about in the initramfs
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| 12:51 | * Gadi is wondering if he has to pull in a tool | |
| 12:51 | <Gadi> or if he can get it from the OS
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| 12:52 | <Q-FUNK> hal does that too. network-manager uses it
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| 13:42 | <johnny_> hmm..
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| 13:42 | wtf
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| 13:42 | why is the package kept back
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| 14:54 | <johnny_> vagrantc, yay.. ssh login works :)
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| 14:55 | still seeing too many floppies tho
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| 16:29 | <SteveWrightNZ> latest Ubuntu update, new openssh - terminals cant login - quickfix ?
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| 16:31 | sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys ? trying it now..
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| 16:32 | didnt help
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 16:33 | <SteveWrightNZ> aha
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| 16:35 | also, is 8.04LTS safe for LTSP ?
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| 16:35 | dist-upgrade does not come with massive breakage ?
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| 16:36 | * Gadi shrugs - personally, I am behind the times | |
| 16:36 | <SteveWrightNZ> yeah I did that 8-( massive overhaul to get updated.. 8-(
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| 16:38 | <SteveWrightNZ> sudo ltsp-update-image ## this has fixed it thank you Gadi
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| 16:38 | should I put this in a FAQ somewhere ?
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| 16:41 | bbl
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| 18:56 | <lns> What can I do to try and troubleshoot random freezes on thin-clients with Ubuntu Gutsy LTSP? is xsession-errors the best bet, or .. ? It seems they (Neoware e100s) hard-lock continuously during normal usage, no matter what. This is a lab of 35 systems...
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| 20:48 | <davidj> lns: You can try having the clients send the syslog to the server, that can help.
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| 20:48 | lns: Another thing to check is just how hard they freeze. Is it just the X session, or is it locked up hard?
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| 20:49 | lns: Can you reproduce it consistently?
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| 20:49 | lns: Can you reproduce it without X?
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| 20:56 | <rjune_> davidj: !
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| 20:58 | <davidj> rjune_: Hey! How are you?
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| 20:59 | Seems like it's been years.
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| 20:59 | (it probably has, at this point in my life;-)
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| 20:59 | <rjune_> no kidding
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| 20:59 | doing ok.
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| 20:59 | building routers again
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| 20:59 | <davidj> You oldest must be 18 about now
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| 20:59 | <monteslu> rjune is still alive?
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| 20:59 | cool
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| 20:59 | <rjune_> LOL
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| 21:00 | monteslu: and still on the first page of a google search for LTSP audio
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| 21:00 | though I'm not the first hit anymore
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| 21:00 | <monteslu> nice
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| 21:00 | thought maybe the new fedora brought you out of hibernation
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| 21:00 | <rjune_> nope, I've been using ubuntu
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| 21:00 | <monteslu> traitor
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| 21:00 | * rjune_ shrugs | |
| 21:00 | <rjune_> I used suse for a bit, then ubuntu
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| 21:01 | it's good to broaden one's horizens
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| 21:01 | <monteslu> actually i running it at my kid's school for ltsp5
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| 21:01 | <rjune_> horizons
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| 21:01 | <monteslu> edubuntu
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| 21:01 | <rjune_> for example, have you see gosa in ubuntu?
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| 21:01 | <monteslu> but I'm still fedora at home
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| 21:01 | nope
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| 21:01 | gosa?
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| 21:02 | <rjune_> yeah, check it out. very slick
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| 21:02 | <davidj> ¿Gosa gosa?
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| 21:02 | <rjune_> Why isn't it in fedora?
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| 21:02 | <davidj> (bad pun, I must be tired. )
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| 21:02 | <rjune_> and where is moodle and mediawiki in fedora?
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| 21:02 | I've not actually looked for them mind you, but they weren't in there when I was workign with fedora
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| 21:03 | <monteslu> gosa looks like yast
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| 21:03 | err whatever that suse thing is
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| 21:03 | <monteslu> ok, giving my first 64bit home install a shot...
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| 21:04 | <rjune_> similar to yast.
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| 21:05 | a lot of overlap.
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| 21:05 | difference being is there's effort to make it work on all distros, not just suse
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| 21:08 | <davidj> interesting.
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| 21:08 | <rjune_> yeah
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| 21:08 | <davidj> rjune, I've got to turn it. It was nice to hear from you again. I'll be around tomorrow if you can drop in.
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| 21:08 | 'night
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| 21:08 | <rjune_> sure
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| 21:08 | night
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