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Channel log from 29 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:01 | <kaos01> hi, im gettign the following error when trying to use LTSP5: ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
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| 03:29 | <daya> can anyone have idea about power used by ltsp client
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| 03:29 | <chupacabra> 110/60 hz?
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| 03:30 | mostly
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| 03:31 | <daya> chupacabra, how much watt,
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| 03:31 | chupacabra, I am comparing these with other thin client devices,
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| 03:31 | <chupacabra> depends
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| 03:32 | look at the specs. too much to keep up with. What clients you considering"?
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| 03:56 | <klausade> !seen vagrant
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| 03:56 | <ltspbot> klausade: I have not seen vagrant.
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| 03:57 | <klausade> !seen vagrantc
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| 03:57 | <ltspbot> klausade: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 10 hours, 52 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <vagrantc> i don't actually need the output, just the return code, so .call is good enough
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| 04:04 | <daya> chupacabra, I am in doubt , If I have got celeron 3.06 Ghz cpu, no hardsik and cdrom,
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| 04:04 | chupacabra, does it drag the same power as with cdrom and harddisk
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| 04:11 | <johnny> i doubt it'll be much different..
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| 04:13 | <chupacabra> not enough to worry about
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| 04:20 | <kaos01> has anyone built e1000-7.6.15 on ubuntu 2.6.17-10-386 ?
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| 04:21 | it woudl be great to have the ko without me having to install and build the whole thing :)
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| 06:26 | <kaos01> anyone know how i can build e1000-7.6.15
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| 06:26 | for ubuntu 2.6.17-10-386
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| 06:27 | i tried downloading it, installed kernel source, etc ... but make never suceeds
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| 06:30 | <ogra> whats wrong with the shipped e1000 driver _
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| 06:32 | <kaos01> it doesnt recognise the NIC
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| 06:32 | :(
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| 06:32 | its teh 82566DM-2
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| 06:33 | got no idea what to do ... only other thing im thinking of trying is using 4.2 LBE
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| 06:33 | or getting new network cards
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| 06:34 | anyone any ideas ?
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| 06:38 | also when i run glxinfo the cleint crashes
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| 06:38 | (thats on another box with differnt NIC)
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| 07:35 | <cliebow> anyone using pny raid controller in ubuntu?..any recommendations?
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| 07:52 | <drcode> hi zll
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| 07:52 | all
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| 07:52 | any one up
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| 08:51 | <bartolomeojsimps> hello
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| 08:51 | does anybody know documentation for loaclapps
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| 08:52 | i'm trying to run twinkle in a thin client
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| 08:52 | but the sound is poor
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| 08:52 | so, locaapps could help me in this trouble
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> bartolomeojsimps: what linux distro are you using?
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| 09:15 | <bartolomeojsimps> 7.04
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| 09:15 | thatś the version of my ltsp server
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| 09:15 | ubuntu
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> bartolomeojsimps: there isn't really documentation for localapps for ltsp5 yet
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| 09:20 | <ogra1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps
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| 09:21 | <ogra1> and http://ltspthinclient.blogspot.com/
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| 09:21 | i think thats all that was written online yet
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| 09:21 | for more detail you would have to pick scotts brain
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| 09:23 | <vagrantc> ogra1: i'm guessing that's not likely to be implemented for hardy?
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| 09:23 | <ogra1> right
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| 09:23 | feature freeze is on valentine
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| 09:23 | and hardy is LTS
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| 09:23 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 09:24 | <ogra1> i'm more focused on bugfixing than on features
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| 09:24 | jammcq, there is no code written yet ...
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| 09:24 | (for integration)
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| 09:24 | <jammcq> yeah, I know
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| 09:24 | seems like we missed a huge opportunity
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| 09:24 | <ogra1> way to late to start for hardy
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| 09:25 | i didnt expect it to be production ready for hardy from the beginning
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| 09:25 | <vagrantc> if someone had made it there pet project...
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| 09:25 | <ogra1> befor adding new features there is a lot to do on the old ones
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> heh, someone like ogra ?
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| 09:26 | * vagrantc is happy to be getting upstream in better shape | |
| 09:26 | <ogra1> jammcq, even then i wouldnt have proposed it for hardy
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| 09:26 | what vagrantc says
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| 09:26 | <jammcq> one thing i've learned over the past 3 years, is if a particular feature doesn't make it into the release, don't worry, another release is just 6 months away
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| 09:26 | <ogra1> and ldm needs *lots* and even more attention
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| 09:26 | <vagrantc> yes, ldm needs some serious love
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| 09:28 | <ogra1> thanks to vagrantc ltspfs doesnt need as much but there are also some edges that could be looked at
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| 09:28 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 09:29 | <ogra1> getting perfect what we have is more important atm ... localapps will be better and more mature in hardy+1
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| 09:29 | <vagrantc> maybe i should spearhead localapps from the debian side :)
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| 09:29 | <ogra1> and given that vagrant might have a release around the same time that round this might be pretty helpful to lign up forces
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| 09:30 | * ogra1 still hasnt solved the consolekit issue :( | |
| 09:31 | <ogra1> it scares me a bit that i dont make it ... that would be disastrous ...
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| 09:31 | (no admin tasks through thin clients, no sudo, no access for root to the display)
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| 09:31 | <vagrantc> ogra1: you need to resolve that for hardy?
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| 09:32 | <ogra1> gnome defaults to it
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| 09:32 | so does ubuntu indeed
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| 09:32 | <mccann> ogra1: what is the issue?
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| 09:33 | <ogra1> mccann, getting ssh -X handle ck connections like a display manager ...
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| 09:33 | ldm does: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 09:33 | * jammcq isn't making any promises, but we just might have a special visitor pop into the channel in a couple of minutes | |
| 09:33 | <ogra1> there are two solutions
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| 09:34 | one is to write my own server side dbus call thats executed by ldm as wrapper to the session
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| 09:34 | (bad, forces me to have server sided pieces while its possible to only use plain ssh servers today)
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| 09:35 | the other is to make ssh notice that DISPLAY is set and use the ck wrapper from pam
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> if the pam module requires root access, that won't work ...
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| 09:36 | <moquist> ogra1: hey!
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| 09:36 | <mccann> so basically just supporting ssh sessions in general, right?
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| 09:36 | <ogra1> which doesnt sound like something upstream would accept ... but would solve cases like: ssh -X user@server sudo time-admin
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| 09:36 | mccann, right
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| 09:36 | <mccann> last i checked we won't have much luck just using the pam module with openssh
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| 09:37 | <kottlett> hi! just to check if I got it right: If I liked to do something like: boot from a network drive, but have all applications running on the client - LTSP is the wrong project, isn't
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| 09:37 | <mccann> fwir, due to the fact that the pam module is run in a parent and not in the session child
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| 09:37 | <moquist> kottlett: You can do that with LTSP.
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| 09:37 | <moquist> kottlett: Wait, but maybe not yet.
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| 09:38 | <kottlett> moquist: now I'm totally confused :)
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| 09:38 | <ogra1> mccann, right, privilege separation disturbs in other places as well sadly :/
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| 09:38 | <moquist> kottlett: I've been out of the loop too long, and spoke too quickly. We should let somebody else answer; I have a similar question about the status of local app support right now. :)
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| 09:38 | <mccann> otherwise we can make openssh call into CK directly just like GDM does
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| 09:39 | <ogra1> through hacfking up openssh you mean
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| 09:39 | <kottlett> moquist: ok, thx anyway :)
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| 09:39 | <mccann> but i expect some pushback from ssh upstream on that
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| 09:39 | <ogra1> right
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| 09:39 | <moquist> kottlett: I've been so confident for the past few months that local app support will be here in April that I answered as if it existed right now. ;)
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| 09:39 | <kottlett> moquist: hehe, ok
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| 09:40 | <ogra1> debians/ubuntus openssh maintainer is my line manager ... i'm waiting for him to have some spare time to discuss how evil it is to put it in out packge
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| 09:40 | <mccann> just using the pam module alone you'd see the session get set up with user=root and etc for the openssh process instead of the child Xsession process for the user
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| 09:40 | unless we can use environment variables to push more info into the pam module
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| 09:40 | man pam_ck_connector
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| 09:41 | <ogra1> well, my last resort will just be a python-dbus Xsession.d script checking for LTSP_CLIENT to be set at session starup .... but i'd like to avoid such gross hacks
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| 09:42 | <mccann> or you can do something like create a ck-launch wrapper
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| 09:42 | <ogra1> i'll play with it as soon as i spoke to colin and know the way to go ...
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| 09:42 | <ogra1> thts essentially what the Xsession script would be
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| 09:42 | <mccann> that just maintains a ck session in the parent process and forks/execs a child
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| 09:43 | let me know if I can help - or how you make out
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| 09:44 | <ogra1> will do :)
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| 09:44 | thanks :)
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| 09:48 | <vagrantc> moquist: localapps support isn't very good, but running all applications on the thin-client itself, while isn't as simple as setting a configuration option, isn't too hard if you already have network authentication or just need kiosks
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| 09:50 | <warren> mccann, oh hey, glad to see you discussing here =)
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| 09:51 | mccann, have you already joined ltsp-developer list?
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> !s
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| 09:51 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:51 | <warren> ogra1, vagrantc: how do we feel about vagrantc's proposed change to ldminfod? requires no changes to ldm.
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:51 | <warren> sbalneav, scotty!!!
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| 09:52 | <ogra1> !s
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> hey hey
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| 09:52 | <ltspbot> ogra1: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:52 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:52 | <ogra1> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+
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| 09:52 | <ltspbot> ogra1: Error: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+" is not a valid command.
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| 09:52 | <ogra1> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+
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| 09:52 | <ltspbot> ogra1: Error: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+" is not a valid command.
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| 09:52 | * sbalneav counts !'s | |
| 09:52 | <ogra1> stupid bot
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 09:52 | * ogra1 hugs scottie | |
| 09:52 | <ogra1> good to see you back
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> heh, well, my apologies
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| 09:52 | My last big hurdle got done this weekend
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| 09:53 | I converted my whole org from old mozilla suite to FF + thunderbird
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| 09:53 | <ogra1> youre in athletics now ??
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 09:53 | <ogra1> :)
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> My apologies to everyone. It's just been SOO busy at work for the last 2 months, I've let everyone down :(
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| 09:54 | <ogra1> you should have gone with ff3 and xulrunner ...
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| 09:54 | else you'll have the same prob again soon
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> heh, I was happy to get off the 1998 technology :)
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> sbalneav: but now you'll be hanging around alot, right?
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| 09:55 | <ogra1> well, given upstream support philosophy you wont be able to have that setup for 10 years :)
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Well, now that the big stuff's done, yeah
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> I should be able to get back in the swing of things.
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| 09:57 | hold on, I have to pop away from my desk for a sec
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| 09:57 | <ogra1> warren, i'm fine with vagrants proposal, it was my initial idea, but debian wanted to be able to support openbox or ion and they are not really bound to xdg
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> someones sent folder didn't come a cross.
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| 09:59 | <ogra1> debian still uses the debian menu system ... xdg is no requirement
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| 09:59 | so packages dont need to have a .desktop package they suplly in any way
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| 10:07 | <moquist> sbalneav: hiya!
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| 10:07 | * moquist is enthusiastic today | |
| 10:08 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "/usr/share/xsessions/ssh.desktop for warren" (129 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/429
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| 10:09 | <stgraber> hey sbalneav
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| 10:10 | <shogunx> hey ogra... doing a dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy, and apt seems to want to install ltsp-client-core on the server box, which errors and drops dpkg back to the shell. any ideas, other than doing an apt pin job to keep the package out?
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| 10:11 | <ogra1> vagrantc, i talked to colin about the udeb split, he refuses to do that with the other d-i packages in ubuntu since we dont have that new rule (and likely wont have) so i'll have to maintain that as a diff :/
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| 10:12 | <stgraber> shogunx: what's the error message ?
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| 10:12 | <ogra1> shogunx, that could only happen if you tried to install ltsp-client on the server before .... there is nothing that depends on ltsp-client-core on a normal server
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| 10:14 | <shogunx> stgraber, debconf preconfig error... says "abort, this only belongs on thing clients" or something similar in a curses interface
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| 10:15 | <ogra1> right, thats what its supposed to do
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| 10:15 | it shall never get installed outside of client chroots
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| 10:16 | <shogunx> ogra1 the box is in northern .ng, and waited almost 10 months before finally getting to its destination and turned on. had edgy on it. upgraded to feisty in one shot, now to gutsy. not sure if someone tried to install ltsp-client.
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| 10:16 | <ogra1> ogra@laptop:~/packages/edubuntu-meta-1.53$ apt-cache rdepends ltsp-client-core
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| 10:16 | ltsp-client-core
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| 10:16 | Reverse Depends:
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| 10:16 | ltsp-client
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| 10:17 | and ...
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| 10:17 | ogra@laptop:~/packages/edubuntu-meta-1.53$ apt-cache rdepends ltsp-client
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| 10:17 | ltsp-client
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| 10:17 | Reverse Depends:
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| 10:17 | ltspfsd
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| 10:17 | <shogunx> not arguing that it should not be installed... just wondering how to prevent it from trying to install.
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| 10:17 | <warren> mccann, http://pastebot.ltsp.org/429
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi!
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| 10:18 | <shogunx> so either ltsp-client or ltspfsd are making ltsp-client-core a dependency?
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| 10:18 | <ogra1> dpkg --purge ltsp-client-core
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| 10:18 | then run apt-get -f install
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| 10:18 | it should tell you whats depending on it ...
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| 10:19 | <warren> ogra1, mccann just explained your paste to me. We can do a lot better than that.
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| 10:19 | ogra1, it was removed from gdm HEAD anyway
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| 10:19 | <shogunx> gracias... back in a sec.root@odysseus:/boot# dpkg --purge ltsp-client-core
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| 10:19 | <ogra1> ah, i'm not up to date on taht system ... might be i miss the latest package
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| 10:19 | <shogunx> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove ltsp-client-core which isn't installed.
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| 10:20 | <warren> brb
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| 10:20 | <ogra1> warren, still, ssh sessions will interfere with ldm functionallity ...
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| 10:20 | <shogunx> ltspfsd is the client side daemon, correct?
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| 10:20 | <ogra1> right
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| 10:20 | has nothing to do on the server
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| 10:20 | <shogunx> check.
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| 10:21 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, sounds like everyone agrees, will you push your ldminfod change?
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| 10:22 | <vagrantc> warren: i can push them. i'd like to improve it more, but i think it's functional as is.
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| 10:23 | <warren> vagrantc, yeah, I need functional at the moment
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| 10:23 | <ogra1> vagrantc, make sure to use the xdg tools
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| 10:23 | <warren> ogra1, oh?
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| 10:23 | <ogra1> (for a final implementation)
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> ogra1: xdg tools?
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| 10:24 | <shogunx> ltspfsd was the culprit, ogra1. many thanks.
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| 10:24 | <warren> ogra1, final implementation will need to transmit and display a lot more than the current interface: language name in defaultlocale, language name in native, etc.
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| 10:24 | ogra1, we already have code to do all that in gdm's rewrite, we can copy it over.
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| 10:24 | oh wait
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| 10:24 | <ogra1> vagrantc, apt-cache show xdg-utils
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| 10:25 | <warren> session name: Name= for the pretty name, Comment= for the tooltip
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| 10:25 | <ogra1> right
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| 10:25 | i dont want ldminfod to get to complex
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| 10:25 | <warren> ogra1, is it really better to use xdg utils or to use a native python way to read it?
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| 10:25 | ogra1, file format is very simple
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| 10:25 | <ogra1> well, there is python-xdg, isnt there ?
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| 10:26 | <warren> there is?
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| 10:26 | <ogra1> ogra@laptop:~$ apt-cache search python xdg
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| 10:26 | python-xdg - A python library to access freedesktop.org standards
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| 10:26 | here at least :)
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| 10:26 | <warren> hmm, we don't have that in a package
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| 10:26 | <ogra1> in any case xgd files should be parsed by these tools ... saves us a lot of maintenamnce work :)
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| 10:27 | <warren> Hmm, Red Hat's desktop team doesn't like the xdg utils.
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| 10:27 | ogra1, not necessarily, the code to parse the simple things that we need really isn't that complex.
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| 10:27 | ogra1, but i'll look into this when we get to that part of implementation.
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| 10:28 | <ogra1> well, but you have to stay up to date withhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh standards compliance etc every new release
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| 10:28 | that takes a lot of time
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| 10:28 | * ogra1 pokes x2x .... | |
| 10:28 | <cliebow> Scottie!!!!!!
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| 10:29 | <ogra1> jus usinf xdg.name.utf8 or something similar makes that tons easier
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> so, i'm hearing that there is a desire to implement using xdg tools, and resistance ... sounds like no go on the merge of current code.
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| 10:29 | <ogra1> if the format changes we dont need to know about it
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| 10:29 | <warren> vagrantc, no no, current code is fine
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| 10:29 | vagrantc, it is distro-neutral and doesn't require any other changes.
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| 10:29 | ogra1, gdm itself doesn't use xdg to parse it
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| 10:30 | <ogra1> why ? thats silly and generates extra work
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| 10:30 | * ogra1 wonders why we develop standards then | |
| 10:30 | <warren> ogra1, i dunno, ask GNOME
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| 10:30 | <ogra1> isnt xdg a standard agreed on by both big desktops ?
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> ogra1: well, if the standard is stable ... it's not a huge issue
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| 10:31 | * ogra1 wonders what freedesktop is for then | |
| 10:31 | * vagrantc isn't particularly attached | |
| 10:31 | <warren> vagrantc, please push your implementation
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| 10:32 | * vagrantc will not push if there is contention. | |
| 10:32 | <warren> vagrantc, no no, there is disagreement about the final implementation details
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| 10:32 | <ogra1> right
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| 10:32 | <warren> vagrantc, there is no disagreement about the current implementation
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| 10:33 | <ogra1> the feature itself is fine
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 10:33 | <warren> vagrantc, the current implementation is an obvious improvement and it helps me to make it just work on fedora sooner.
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| 10:35 | * vagrantc pushed | |
| 10:35 | * ogra1 break ... | |
| 10:35 | <vagrantc> much against ogra1's desires, i still think we need an ldm-server package
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| 10:36 | <warren> vagrantc, containing?
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| 10:36 | <ogra1> as long as its optional
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> warren: ldminfod
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| 10:36 | <ogra1> warren, ldminfod ?
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| 10:36 | <warren> that's all?
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> and package dependencies and such
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| 10:36 | <ogra1> it has the potential so bloat
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| 10:36 | s/so/to/
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| 10:36 | tahst what i fear
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| 10:36 | <warren> If we split out new repositories, PLEASE don't keep all the history from the pre-split LTSP. grabs are huge and slow.
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| 10:36 | <kysucix> hi
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| 10:37 | <ogra1> i want ldm to always be able to work with only an ssh server
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| 10:37 | <kysucix> I've got "short read: 0< 28" during nfs mount? any hint?
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| 10:37 | <vagrantc> ogra1: and i want sane package management
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| 10:37 | <ogra1> vagrantc, if it continues to work like it does noow even without such a package i wont object ;)
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| 10:37 | <warren> vagrantc, let's keep it in ltsp-server for now, I have a feeling that we will do some redefining of the protocol shortly later in order to make it "standardized" and supportable from other clients like maybe gdm.
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| 10:38 | vagrantc, no sense moving it until we know what the future looks like.
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| 10:38 | <vagrantc> ogra1: well, right now if you want an application server that isn't providing the root filesystem, then ldm won't know about available languages or sessions or load ...
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| 10:38 | <ogra1> currently ldmionfod is optional ...
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| 10:38 | right, it will just use the servers defaults
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| 10:39 | and i dont want that to change
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| 10:39 | <warren> vagrantc, you pushed it? I don't see it in pull.
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc> warren: might take a bit
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| 10:39 | <warren> parent branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/
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| 10:39 | vagrantc, oh
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| 10:39 | <ogra1> anyway ..... break ...
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> warren: i pushed revision 503
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| 10:40 | and earlier today committed 502
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| 10:40 | <warren> huh...
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> warren: ah, you're looking at ldm
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| 10:40 | warren: this is in ltsp-trunk
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| 10:40 | <warren> oops =)
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> as i was saying.... :)
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| 10:40 | <warren> vagrantc, ltsp-fedora is diverging too much
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> i think we should have an ldm server :)
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| 10:40 | <warren> we really need merging
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> warren: last i looked at the ltsp-fedora diff, main thing that struck me was the run-parts issue ...
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| 10:42 | <warren> vagrantc, you said you were going to write a better way of doing that?
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> warren: i did?
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| 10:42 | <warren> vagrantc, yeah
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> i thought i said it needs a better way
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| 10:42 | <warren> vagrantc, rather than merge in the earlier hack that you wrote that I included in ltsp-fedora
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, that hack is not something i would ever merge upstream
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| 10:43 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, I don't really understand what the goal is there
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> warren: where?
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| 10:44 | <warren> vagrantc, of the hack
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> warren: the goal was to provide a quick and dirty replacement for a missing feature in fedora's run-parts
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| 10:45 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, I recall you saying that you would write a better replacement?
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| 10:45 | vagrantc, I don't exactly know what debian's run-parts does.
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> warren: when i started working on ltsp5 for fedora, it was mostly on the grounds that weekly we would get people asking about ltsp5 for fedora, and eventually i just figured i'd try and get the ball rolling by providing *something*
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| 10:46 | warren: run-parts --list (the missing feature) does the same thing run-parts does, except instead of exec'ing the files, it outputs the files
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| 10:47 | warren: the simplest place to fix it would be to add the feature to fedora's run-parts
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| 10:47 | <warren> vagrantc, we could do that, but doesn't help us when we want to backport this to previous distros like RHEL5.
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| 10:47 | vagrantc, and can you rely upon run-parts to exist and behave exactly the same on all distros?
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| 10:47 | vagrantc, should I re-implement a workalike as a function in that script?
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, i guess replacing it with a work-alike function would probably be the best route for distro-agnosticism
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| 10:48 | <warren> vagrantc, ok I'll try to write that
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| 10:49 | vagrantc, with that change we should be able to merge everything in ltsp-fedora into ltsp-trunk?
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> warren: i don't really like the overly complicated dhcpd.conf
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| 10:50 | <warren> vagrantc, it Just Works and something like it has been shipping by default in K12LTSP for years.
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| 10:50 | vagrantc, if you really disapprove we could ship both the old and new and the packager can choose.
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| 10:50 | dhcpd-simple.conf
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| 10:50 | dhcpd-full.conf
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| 10:51 | <ogra1> vagrantc, didn i see code for handling the run-parts issue already ?
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| 10:51 | written by you ?
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| 10:51 | <warren> ogra1, his hack is unsatisfactory
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| 10:51 | * ogra1 is confused | |
| 10:51 | <ogra1> ah
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc> ogra1: it was simply a function that did : ls $@
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| 10:51 | <ogra1> i just remembered there was *something* :)
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| 10:51 | <warren> ogra1, vagrantc: Do you want to provide both simple and full dhcpd.conf and let the packager choose which one they want to use?
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> yes, and i would never recommend actually using it for a real release
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| 10:52 | <warren> IMHO there is no reason not to use the full dhcpd.conf by default
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| 10:52 | * ogra1 will provide the simple one thats documenterd everywhere over the place in ubuntu documentation | |
| 10:52 | <warren> hm
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| 10:52 | should we provide both in ltsp-trunk?
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| 10:53 | dhcpd-simple.conf and dhcpd-full.conf
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> warren: the hard-coded paths are different than what's in debian ...
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| 10:53 | <ogra1> feel free to do whatever you want theer upstrem ...
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| 10:53 | * warren looks | |
| 10:53 | <ogra1> my file is coming from the package already ;)
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> warren: i.e. /opt/ltsp5 vs. /opt/ltsp ... stuff like that
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| 10:53 | <warren> vagrantc, oops, that's a mistake
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| 10:54 | vagrantc, s/ltsp5/ltsp/g and it is matching?
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| 10:54 | <ogra1> in debian a similar file to warrens is shipped by dhcpd already
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| 10:54 | i see no need to duplicate that ...
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> well, it doesn't have all the tasty vender-class-id's
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| 10:55 | i actually want to merge those
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| 10:55 | <ogra1> warren, cant you like me ship the file in the packaging data ?
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| 10:56 | <warren> ogra1, we could but currently I have nothing outside of the ltsp-fedora tree as part of the package.
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| 10:56 | ogra1, let's put it this way, plenty of files in ltsp-trunk wont ship in our package.
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| 10:56 | <ogra1> lets keep the simplest default in upstream imho ...
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| 10:56 | <warren> ogra1, and we don't mind.
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| 10:56 | ogra1, why does it matter if you don't use it anyway?
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| 10:56 | <ogra1> which would be vagrants version atm ...
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| 10:57 | mine is cut down more, yours is totally confusing
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| 10:57 | <warren> but it just works
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| 10:57 | K12LTSP has been shipping it this way for years by default
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| 10:57 | <ogra1> you will need to have to edit it
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| 10:57 | as soon as you want different IP ranges
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| 10:57 | <warren> that's fine
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| 10:58 | <ogra1> that means a simple mind should be able to roughly grasp whats going on
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| 10:58 | <warren> ogra1, if you don't use it then why does it bother you?
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| 10:58 | <ogra1> because i think its a usability issue
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| 10:58 | it doesnt bother me at all from a distro maintainer POV
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| 10:58 | <warren> ogra1, please don't make assumptions about our users, stick to your own users.
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| 10:58 | <ogra1> it does though from an upstream coder POV
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| 10:59 | <warren> ogra1, K12LTSP users are USED TO having this by default. Our users have slightly different expectations based upon the past.
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| 10:59 | <ogra1> smart guys that know dhcpd in and out wont need to understand the file ... they know what they are doing
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| 10:59 | <warren> ogra1, I suspect that in the future we will make it blank by default and configurable by a GUI interface, but we aren't there yet.
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| 10:59 | <ogra1> right, thats a longstanding plan
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| 11:00 | <warren> ogra1, again, this doesn't effect you, so why are you opposed to it?
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| 11:00 | <ogra1> i started a lot of tools already ...
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| 11:00 | <warren> ogra1, there are lots of files in ltsp-trunk that we wont ship in our package and that doesn't bother us.
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| 11:00 | <ogra1> warren, i state my opinion ...
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| 11:00 | <warren> ogra1, after we get past this hurdle we'll look at helping that longer term goal.
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| 11:00 | <ogra1> i wont stop you from merging it ...
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| 11:01 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, s/ltsp5/ltsp/g and it is roughly OK for Debian?
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> warren: at first glace, probably. maybe other similar tweaks
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| 11:01 | <warren> vagrantc, like?
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> warren: i'm reviewing the whole diff now
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| 11:01 | <ogra1> warren, that'd be cool ... did i ever show you http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ ? that could need an adopter :) i never found one
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| 11:02 | <warren> ogra1, when we get there we will look at it and help it
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| 11:03 | vagrantc, I'm getting food, brb
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> warren: the filename entries are inconsistant with debian/ubuntu filename entries ... i'd be fine with it if we went the dhcpd.conf-detailed + dhcpd.conf-simple route ... maybe could even use dhcpd's include mechanism ... also, when we switched to ltsp5, we started using different (than ltsp 4.x) server ip addresses ...
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> warren: when you're back ... i'm happy to merge everything but the dhcpd.conf stuff, and then i can put that into dhcpd.conf.k12ltsp unmodified or something like that
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> ogra1: any other thoughts on merging the ltsp-fedora branch?
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> hey, guys - whats the preferred ldm branch to bzr to submit patches against? Should I branch off of gutsy or branch off of the new packages you are putting together?
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> Gadi: branch off of these branches: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> ok - has the ldm code changed at all from gutsy or just moved around?
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> Gadi: some changes, but i don't think anything huge
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> okey dokey - I have a list of rather minor things I want to hack in
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| 11:41 | also, has anyone experimented with a static compile of ldm?
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| 11:42 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, a separate filename for dhcpd.conf is fine
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| 11:42 | vagrantc, dhcpd-k12linux.conf
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> it might improve speed and portability between distros?
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| 11:42 | <warren> vagrantc, I'll check it into ltsp-fedora
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| 11:42 | Gadi, not worthwhile IMHO
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> because...
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| 11:43 | <warren> who would actually need it?
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| 11:43 | Gadi, and with what we want to add to ldm's gtk interface in the future it would get WAY too huge static.
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> well, right now the gtk is separate from the backend
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| 11:44 | I meant static compile of the backend
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| 11:47 | <warren> oh
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| 11:47 | still, what does that gain us?
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| 11:54 | <warren> vagrantc, what exactly needs to be filtered out of the run-parts --list workalike?
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> warren: from the run-parts man page on debian: "the names must consist entirely of upper and lower case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens."
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| 11:56 | warren: on debian, it's implemented in C ... on fedora, it looks like it was implemented in shell
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| 11:57 | warren: so you can probably steal code from fedora's version
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| 12:00 | <warren> vagrantc, how long has run-parts in debian gone without any changes?
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| 12:00 | vagrantc, years?
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| 12:01 | vagrantc, does it have its own package in debian?
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> warren: it's part of debianutils
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| 12:01 | warren: not sure how long it's gone unchanged ...
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| 12:01 | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debianutils/current/changelog
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| 12:02 | warren: there's been recent changes in 2007
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| 12:02 | <warren> hm
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> warren: i think mostly relatively minor changes, but 1-3 changes per year
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| 12:03 | <iMacGyver> is there a way to set client ip addresses through the lts.conf file?
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| 12:04 | <warren> vagrantc, I'll separately look into updating our run-parts to match in Fedora 9
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| 12:04 | but not now
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| 12:04 | hmm
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| 12:04 | the code of our run-parts really sucks
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| 12:04 | not sure I really want to duplicate it =)
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> warren: alright, pushing ltsp-trunk
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| 12:07 | <warren> vagrantc, what are you pushing?
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> warren: merged everything except the run-parts hacks
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| 12:08 | <warren> vagrantc, oh
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| 12:08 | vagrantc, ok
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| 12:08 | vagrantc, I'm working on the run-parts part now
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| 12:22 | vagrantc, Debian's run-parts --list lists a script even if it isn't executable?
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| 12:23 | <cliebow> brb
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> warren: correct
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| 12:24 | warren: which is perfect for our case, since we're sourcing them they shouldn't be marked executable anyways
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| 12:24 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, just verifying
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> i just put out a request for new and updated gettext translations ... should seen them coming in in the next 1-2 weeks.
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| 12:28 | hmm... ldm's *.desktop code doesn't actually handle overriding the defaults
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| 12:28 | i guess the old code didn't either, so it's no real loss
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| 12:29 | <warren> vagrantc, http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/run_parts_list.patch
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| 12:29 | vagrantc, how does that look?
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| 12:29 | vagrantc, unfortunately I noticed just now that MODULE_BASE in ltsp-build-client is no longer correct
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| 12:29 | vagrantc, we moved it to GNU's libexecdir/ldm
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| 12:30 | vagrantc, which is /usr/lib on Debian and /usr/libexec on Fedora
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| 12:30 | vagrantc, mind if I add [ -e /usr/libexec/ldm/something ] && MODULE_BASE=... ?
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| 12:30 | vagrantc, we'll need autodetection in several places unfortunately
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| 12:31 | vagrantc, we should make variable setting in one common script sourced by other scripts
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> warren: are you talking ldm, or ltsp-build-client ?
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| 12:32 | warren: i was hoping we could keep those in /usr/share since they're sourced and not executed
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| 12:33 | <kalib> anyone can help me with cdstatus?
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| 12:33 | i need to use it in a shellscript, but i don't know how can i do it...
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> warren: regarding run_parts_list ... it seems to only catch a very tiny number of possible files
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| 12:43 | warren: we could easily catch all those with [ "${i%.*}" != "${i}" ]
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| 12:43 | warren: and i think you want [ ! -d $i ]
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| 12:44 | or rather [ ! -d "${i}" ]
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| 12:44 | er, nevermind
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| 12:44 | on that last ...
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| 12:45 | warren: it doesn't look like it will handle empty dirs well either ...
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| 12:46 | * vagrantc thinks on an alternate proposal | |
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| 12:55 | <warren> vagrantc, huh? doesn't it just print nothing on empty dir?
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> warren: for a in $(mktemp -d)/*[^~,] ; do echo $a ; done
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| 12:58 | warren: outputs ....
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| 12:58 | /tmp/tmp.OSxGYF6060/*[^~,]
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| 12:59 | <warren> vagrantc, oops
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> warren: i'm using find ...
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| 13:00 | <warren> vagrantc, ok so you're writing it?
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> find -L $1 -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f
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| 13:00 | warren: well, i'm working on it ..
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| 13:01 | having a bit of a hard time figuring out exactly how to do the regex ...
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| 13:01 | <warren> ok I'll see how your implementation goes and work on something else for now
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| 13:02 | huge pile of something else =(
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> did sbalneav ever make it back?
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| 13:22 | <drcode> hi all
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| 13:22 | any one up
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| 13:22 | here?
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| 13:23 | * vagrantc wonders if drcode is Gadi | |
| 13:24 | <drcode> wow
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| 13:24 | yes
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| 13:25 | how do you know?
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| 13:25 | <johnny> magic
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| 13:25 | err magick
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| 13:25 | <drcode> nice
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| 13:25 | I am supprized
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| 13:26 | <johnny> not really magick... your hostmask tells us..
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| 13:30 | * warren thinks "silent.wav" whenever he sees Gadi now. | |
| 13:32 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "run_parts_list" (74 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/430
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> warren: it works ... dog slow, but it works
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| 13:32 | oops... i double-pasted it
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| 13:33 | <drcode> vagrantc: do U know me?
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> drcode: unless i've got you mixed up with some other gadi ...
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| 13:34 | drcode: which i'm beginning to suspect
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| 13:34 | <bartolomeojsimps> hi
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> warren: it actually compares every single character against the known good list ...
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| 13:35 | <bartolomeojsimps> i'm trying to run twinkle as a local application but it seems to be imposible to use the sound card of the thin client
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| 13:35 | <drcode> k
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| 13:35 | no
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| 13:35 | I dont think so
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| 13:35 | U are from israel?
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> bartolomeojsimps: not impossible, just you have to understand how to do it
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| 13:36 | <bartolomeojsimps> wolud you help me?
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> bartolomeojsimps: it is fairly complicated- i don't think i can help you
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| 13:37 | bartolomeojsimps: you just have to think of the LTSP client like any other computer, and set it up to run all applications locally
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| 13:37 | bartolomeojsimps: and set up network authentication
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| 13:37 | bartolomeojsimps: and mount the home directories off the network
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| 13:38 | <warren> vagrantc, is that really necessary?
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| 13:38 | <drcode> vagrantc:from where do U know me?
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> bartolomeojsimps: the core basics are in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation
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| 13:38 | <warren> vagrantc, how often does it run? not a big deal?
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> drcode: i think i thought you were Gad1 , who often is in here as Gadi
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| 13:39 | warren: currently, it's only used when we build the thin client
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| 13:39 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, not a big deal then.
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| 13:39 | vagrantc, you pushed that up?
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> warren: i think it is necessary to remain compliant ... a smart regex could likely improve speed dramatically
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| 13:40 | warren: but i'm a little regex dense
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| 13:40 | <warren> me too
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| 13:40 | <drcode> ltsp is compared to MS Terminal server
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| 13:40 | <johnny> a really smart one.. or a really dumb one .. :)
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| 13:40 | <drcode> I have few qustions
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| 13:40 | <johnny> in the middle you have trouble ;)
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| 13:41 | <drcode> 1. can I run thine client from firefox? 2. Can I share audio,video,files between client and server?
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| 13:41 | <johnny> 1. no
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> drcode: 1. do you mean run firefox from the thin client?
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| 13:42 | <johnny> drcode, you network boot the thin clients
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| 13:42 | and then you can run applications
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> drcode: 2. typically, you don't share any files between the server, you display video and audio from the server on the client
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| 13:43 | <drcode> I mean if I am in pc , I can connect to ltsp by client prog
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| 13:43 | <johnny> no
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| 13:43 | that's soething like rdesktop or vnc
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| 13:43 | <drcode> like citrix, MSTerminal?
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| 13:43 | yes
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| 13:43 | <johnny> you would just use those
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| 13:44 | <drcode> can I also do it from firefox, without client install?
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| 13:44 | <johnny> that's not what ltsp is
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> warren: no, i haven't pushed that, because it's really poorly implemented... a one-liner in perl or sed could probably match it properly in 1/100th the time
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| 13:44 | <johnny> and no
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| 13:44 | unless you're accessing a site with some activex or java thing that does it for you
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| 13:44 | but that's not what ltsp is for
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| 13:44 | <drcode> ltsp dos't work like rdp or vnc?
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| 13:44 | <johnny> no
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| 13:44 | they already do the job
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| 13:45 | it's for running computers with no hard drives
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| 13:45 | from a server
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| 13:45 | * vagrantc wonders if drcode and johnny are having an X server / X client confusion mixup | |
| 13:45 | <johnny> vagrantc, no
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| 13:45 | he is .. he doesn't know what ltsp is for
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| 13:45 | <jammcq> LTSP is an operating system for thin clients
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| 13:45 | <johnny> he thinks of it like windows terminal services
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| 13:46 | <drcode> I see
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| 13:46 | * vagrantc thinks there is a lot of confusion flying around and best to clear that up before making definitive answers | |
| 13:46 | <johnny> i think the confusion is gone
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| 13:46 | vagrantc, did i miss any patches to ldm for fixing autologin ?
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| 13:46 | <drcode> and if I dont have ThinkClient?
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| 13:46 | <johnny> are you distributing one in your debian patches
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| 13:47 | then you don't use ltsp :)
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| 13:47 | you use other vnc or rdesktop programs
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| 13:47 | <drcode> I see
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| 13:47 | <johnny> or freenx
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> or an Xserver on your windows machine, to connect to the server
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> johnny: no, i tried the patches and they didn't work: http://bugs.debian.org/ldm
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| 13:47 | <drcode> is there somthing like citrix in linux?
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> X can be like citrix
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| 13:47 | NX is probably the closest to citrix
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| 13:48 | <johnny> vagrantc, there is a patch for it on launchpad that francis made
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| 13:48 | <drcode> k
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| 13:48 | <johnny> and that works
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| 13:48 | <drcode> thanx
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| 13:48 | <jammcq> drcode: check nomachine.com
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| 13:48 | <johnny> i'm using it right now :)
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| 13:48 | <jammcq> it's not free tho
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| 13:48 | <johnny> but freenx is
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| 13:48 | <jammcq> yeah, but is freenx still being maintained?
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| 13:49 | <johnny> if it's not.. that would suck
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| 13:50 | vagrantc, ogra said the patch did a lil too much to apply as is for gutsy, but i didn't know enough C to simplify it
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| 13:50 | or enough about t he ltsp arch and such
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| 13:51 | want me to link you?
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| 13:52 | <drcode> jammcq: it based on freenx?
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc> warren: think i found a regex
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> drcode: it's the other way around. Nomachine's NX is the official NX. Freenx is a free implementation of it
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| 13:53 | <drcode> k
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> johnny: sure, toss me a URL ... not that my C is any good ...
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| 13:54 | <johnny> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794
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| 13:54 | patches on the left
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| 13:55 | i can tell you that it works in my install
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| 14:01 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "run_parts_list" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/431
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> yay
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| 14:13 | warren: pushed run_parts_list to ltsp-trunk
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| 14:15 | <warren> vagrantc, thanks
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> johnny: part of that patch didn't apply cleanly ... but it seemed to work
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> johnny: oh wait ... i am mistaken.
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| 14:50 | pfft. i am mistaken about being mistaken.
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| 14:51 | <johnny> about it working ? or applying?
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> i was testing how it behaved when an incorrect password for autologin was supplied
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| 14:52 | <johnny> ldm itself doesn't behave nicely
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| 14:52 | with the wrong password
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| 14:52 | without autologin
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 14:55 | johnny: well, based on that patch you pointed me to, i think i've got a patch that works.
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| 14:55 | <johnny> sweet
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| 14:55 | it'd be nice to drop my patched ldm
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> unfortunately, i don't think it will apply cleanly upstream ... there were some changes done
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| 15:00 | looks like part of the changes were already applied upstream, just not all of them
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| 15:01 | <lns> anyone using koolu thin clients w/ltsp?
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> johnny: applied patch to upstream ldm
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| 15:23 | johnny: do you use debian or ubuntu?
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| 15:24 | <johnny> ubuntu
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> well, i can't promise when ubuntu will take it, but i'll try and get it in debian soon :)
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| 15:31 | <johnny> one day i'll get time for timed autologins
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| 15:31 | in ldm
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| 15:31 | that's what i really want
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| 15:31 | * vagrantc wants some crazy moderately complicated options | |
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| 15:41 | <warren> vagrantc, ugh, the Xsessions.d thing is completely different on our distro
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| 15:41 | vagrantc, seems like distros implemented it completely independently of each other
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| 15:43 | <johnny> yes :(
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| 15:43 | i have that problem in sabayon tool
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> warren: that reminds me, i need to remove the Xsessions.d hook for debian ... it's only useful on ubuntu
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| 15:51 | warren: or at least, debian doesn't have the ubuntu-specific patches to make it useful
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| 15:53 | <warren> vagrantc, what exactly does it do?
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> warren: it sets alsa to use pulseaudio
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| 15:54 | <warren> oh
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| 15:54 | we have something else to do that already
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| 15:55 | and ALSA -> pulseaudio is default already
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> lucky for you :)
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| 15:56 | <warren> or unlucky
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| 15:56 | pulseaudio isn't too stable
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| 15:57 | <lns> warren, what's unstable about it? i've been using it for a while with no issues
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| 15:57 | <warren> lns, its ALSA emulation is less than perfect, some apps don't work at all
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| 15:57 | it crashes sometimes
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| 15:58 | <lns> warren, which apps?
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| 15:58 | i only know of audacity
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| 15:58 | <warren> lns, Flash can crash it sometimes...
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| 15:58 | <lns> hmm
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| 15:58 | <warren> lns, some apps linked to pulseaudio native can cause both pulseaudio daemon and the app to segfault
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> alsaplayer doesn't work with alsa -> pulseaudio
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| 15:59 | <warren> pulseaudio library native interface makes xine and mplayer unstable
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> but is it worse than the alternatives?
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| 15:59 | that's the real question
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| 15:59 | <warren> pidgin crashes when using alsa emulation
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| 16:00 | <lns> jeez, i thought pulseaudio was the best/supported solution for ltsp
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| 16:01 | <warren> It is
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| 16:01 | lns, you just discover a lot more of its problems when you use it by default on your flagship desktop distro
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| 16:01 | lns, Fedora 8+ uses it all the time by default
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| 16:02 | lns, we employ the main developer of pulseaudio, he's steadily pounding bugs out of it...
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| 16:03 | <lns> warren, do you work at revolutionlinux?
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| 16:03 | <warren> lns, no
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| 16:03 | lns, Red Hat
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| 16:03 | <lns> oh
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| 16:03 | nice
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| 16:03 | =)
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| 16:05 | well with my (limited compared to you) experience, pulseaudio has done pretty well in our ubuntu LTSP labs
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| 16:05 | so i'm sure the bugs are at least fairly specific to certain apps
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| 16:05 | <warren> yes they are
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| 16:05 | and when you are running multiple apps at the same time
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| 16:06 | <kaos01> anyone know how i can build e1000-7.6.15 for ubunto LTSP
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| 16:06 | <lns> warren, well you definitely have my support if you need help testing pulse with ltsp/ubuntu
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| 16:12 | <kaos01> also anyone know why my client would die when i run glxinfo on it ?
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| 16:14 | <warren> kaos01, VIA chipset?
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| 16:14 | kaos01, some video drivers like VIA blow up when you attempt to use dri
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| 16:21 | <kaos01> warren, its a Intel
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| 16:22 | Intel(R) 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connectio
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| 16:22 | <warren> kaos01, I have no idea then
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| 16:22 | kaos01, that isn't a video card
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| 16:22 | <kaos01> actually its not the 82566DM-2 :) thats the NIC i cant get to work :)
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| 16:22 | warren, well i done startx on the client and ran glxgear/glxinfo with no problems
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| 16:23 | <warren> I know nothing about your problem
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| 16:23 | and I can't even get Ubuntu to install on my kvm
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| 16:23 | <kaos01> either do I :P
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| 16:23 | its the first time i "installed" ubunto as well,
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| 16:24 | its not even a "life system" as its only used on the client side
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| 16:24 | so its unpacked in /opt/ltsp-5 on fedora :)
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> ah ... didn't pass --libexecdir=/usr/lib to ./configure
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| 16:56 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "build warnings" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/432
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> hmmm... wonder what that's about
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| 19:15 | <jammcq> !seen sbalneav
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| 19:15 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 9 hours, 17 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <sbalneav> someones sent folder didn't come a cross.
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| 19:15 | <jammcq> heh
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| 21:13 | <dell_lin> how do i add nfs server to fedora 8
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| 21:55 | <RiXtEr> hey all what would be the regex for finding '58G' using grep ... thats (digit)(digit)G
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| 22:13 | <loather-work> read man regex lately? [[:digit:]]\{2\}G
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