IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:57 | <Nubae> cyberorg: u there?
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| 03:58 | <cyberorg> Nubae, yes, hi :)
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| 03:58 | <Nubae> I'm working on the last bits of the ltsp documentation, namely updating the client chroot....
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| 03:59 | on debian and ubuntu we change the chroot using sudo chroot, copy over the sources.list, and update using apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
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| 03:59 | on fedora, the same replacing with yum install
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| 04:00 | on suse I guess its zypper right?
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| 04:00 | what corresponds to sources.list on suse?
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| 04:01 | <cyberorg> Nubae, hmm, as we have prebuilt image, people usually either download rpm and do rpm -Uvh or use yast to update from server:ltsp repo
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| 04:01 | <Nubae> prebuilt chroot image? ie... they never change it themselves?
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| 04:01 | <cyberorg> users can do this too if they wish to update their own image http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps#Updating_image
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| 04:02 | Nubae, i don't see why anyone would want to change image :)
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| 04:02 | <Nubae> heh... I can think of at least 5 reasons... just of the top of my head...
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| 04:03 | you mention them on that page even
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| 04:03 | i;-)
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| 04:03 | but the main one would be just to update the to the latest distro
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| 04:03 | <cyberorg> Nubae, as you can see they are all taken care of quite easily
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| 04:03 | Nubae, i update prebuilt image quite frequently
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| 04:04 | <Nubae> ok, so I can write that on suse its better to download the latest prebuilt image?
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| 04:04 | <cyberorg> yes, that would be recommended way, other ways are listed on that wiki link
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| 04:04 | <Nubae> the adendum should include something about local apps and low fat/fat clients
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| 04:05 | both require modifications to the client chroot, unless u have prebuilt images for those scenarios too
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| 04:06 | <cyberorg> Nubae, as doing chroot, run update and then mksquashfs takes just as long as recreating image, we do not have any package management installed inside the image
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| 04:06 | for some people just getting rpm update from the server is even faster
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| 04:10 | <Nubae> right, but that doesnt answer my question about local apps and low fat clients
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| 04:11 | <cyberorg> Nubae, that would be same as here: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps
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| 04:12 | they can keep running "kiwi-ltsp-setup -s" at regualar interval if they have update repository added to their image description
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| 04:13 | so nothing extra needs to be done, just rebuilding image once in a while will keep it up to date
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| 04:14 | <Nubae> ok, think I get it... u dont use package management, but allow a predefined number of packages to be added via the lts.conf file?
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| 04:14 | <cyberorg> Nubae, you can just mention that "rebuilding image with update repository enabled in /usr/share/kiwi/images/ltsp/suse-11.0/config.xml will update the image"
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| 04:15 | <Nubae> works quite differently than on other stuff so having trouble getting my head around it
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| 04:15 | <cyberorg> Nubae, additional packages can be added via /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp and rebuilding image
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| 04:15 | Nubae, it is rather simple, "just rebuild to update"
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| 04:16 | <Nubae> we dont have this on the other distros - /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp
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| 04:16 | its used for rebuilding and updating chroot?
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| 04:16 | is it just a list of packages?
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| 04:17 | <cyberorg> Nubae, it is a central config file for building ltsp image
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| 04:17 | <Nubae> oook... think I gotcha now...
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| 04:17 | <cyberorg> it stores variables that are used when building image, like adding apps, paths, network config etc
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| 04:18 | <cyberorg> so user dont have to mess with dhcpd.conf, just just edit this one file and run kiwi-ltsp-setup -d to configure it
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| 04:18 | https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/kiwi-ltsp/ltsp/suse-11.0/kiwi-ltsp?revision=270&view=markup
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| 04:18 | that is how it looks like :)
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| 04:19 | various switches: http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/kiwi-ltsp-diagram.png
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| 04:19 | <ace_suares> nyone on how many and what type of servers I need for 65 clients ?
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| 04:19 | <Nubae> hmmm... so if in local apps... u add suse-desktop its like a fat client?
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| 04:20 | ace_suares: preferably 2, but can be done with one
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| 04:20 | <cyberorg> Nubae, for local app user just adds list of packages to install in /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp LOCAL_APPS variable, rebuild image and they get installed
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| 04:20 | <ace_suares> Nubae: so, OpenOffice, Firefox, and CrossOver with MS Publisher can run 2 'servers' with 65 clients ????
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| 04:21 | <Nubae> right... but if someone wanted a full fat client
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| 04:21 | ie, everything running locally
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| 04:21 | <ace_suares> ans what ki9nd of servers core2duo ?
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| 04:21 | <Nubae> xeon processors for that setup
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| 04:21 | <cyberorg> Nubae, that would not be ltsp client at all then :)
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| 04:21 | <Nubae> for crossover
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| 04:21 | and lots of ram
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| 04:21 | <ace_suares> yeah lots of ram
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| 04:22 | would you cluster the machines ? or just have 32 on one server and 33 on the other server ?
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| 04:22 | <Nubae> cyberorg: why not, u are running it from a central location... its just ltsp fat client instead of thin
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| 04:22 | <cyberorg> Nubae, kiwi can create those kind of images too, including network installation images
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| 04:22 | Nubae, just the image would be mounted from the server then, right?
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| 04:22 | <Nubae> ace_suares: if u have the choice... set up 2 servers
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| 04:23 | <ace_suares> Nubae: seperately then ///
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| 04:23 | what about users, how do you share them with all servers ? and homedirs
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| 04:23 | <Nubae> ace_suares: hmm... use ldap
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| 04:24 | <ace_suares> Nubae: okay
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| 04:24 | Nubae: good thinking!
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| 04:24 | Hvae you set up ltsp somewhere? how many clients?
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| 04:24 | <Nubae> ace_suares: I have, approx. 150 clients
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| 04:25 | cyberorg: more or less, except its a customised chroot depending on what kind of apps, etc they want... with central authentication via ldap and home share via nfs
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| 04:25 | so its not totally fat client
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| 04:26 | <cyberorg> Nubae, i haven't worked on such setup but it should be easily possible
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| 04:26 | <Nubae> cyberorg: how do you do kiosk?
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| 04:26 | <cyberorg> Nubae, i just work on ltsp part, no low fat :)
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| 04:26 | <Nubae> cyberorg: just wondering if all this can be done from your central kiwi-ltsp file
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| 04:27 | <cyberorg> Nubae, yes it can be, if someone requests it
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| 04:27 | <Nubae> well, I'm not the only one interested I'm sure...
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| 04:27 | ldap inside the client and nfs shared home is all the image needs
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| 04:28 | <cyberorg> Nubae, if you want please file an enhancement request, i'll try and do such setup, something that work out of box ;)
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| 04:28 | <ace_suares> Nubae: and how many serbers
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| 04:29 | <Nubae> cyberorg: right now I load 2 seperate chroots one for normal thin clients and another that loads what I've just described
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| 04:30 | but its a pain in the ass because I've had to really modify the chroot (get sound, printing working, share home structure, specialised apps [crossover, ms stuff], ldap)
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| 04:30 | ace_suares: I'm running one right now, but have tried with several
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| 04:30 | works better with several, one point of failure is never good
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| 04:30 | but its easier to maintain :-)
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| 04:31 | <ace_suares> Nubae: one server, 150 thin clcients, using office and firefox? gnome of somehting lighter ?
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| 04:31 | <Nubae> cyberorg: did u mention the centralised config file to general ltsp... seems like it would be useful
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| 04:32 | ace_suares: its a quad core server with xeon processors and 16 gigs of ram
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| 04:32 | <cyberorg> Nubae, many times, that is one of the core of what we are doing, user does not have to hunt for stuff to change, we should just one one config which deals with everything related to our setup
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| 04:33 | <Nubae> regular ubuntu on it, but with serious limitations to flash and website usage (ie... very strict dansguardian rules)
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| 04:33 | cyberorg: how have they reacted to integrating into central ltsp 5?
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| 04:33 | <cyberorg> just one config and one command to everything
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| 04:34 | <cyberorg> Nubae, upstream feels the current plugin system works well for everyone without single command and single config file
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| 04:34 | <Nubae> ah :-)
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| 04:35 | <cyberorg> Nubae, that reminds me, this is also one of the reason we don't keep mentioning ltsp-build-client and all ltsp commands even though we have them as wrapper to kiwi-ltsp-setup script
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| 04:35 | <ogra> Nubae, apart from the fact that the config file wouldnt have anything to do with the plugin system :)
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| 04:35 | <cyberorg> me as administrator just want to learn one command
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| 04:36 | <ogra> what such a config file would do is set the values ofr teh options ltsp-build-client --extra-help shows
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| 04:36 | <Nubae> yeah I see the usefulness, but its a dramatic change from the way things have been done till now
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| 04:36 | <ogra> its not
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| 04:37 | you would just set the values to options of ltsp-build-client
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| 04:37 | <johnny> i personally don't really use the plugins , i just pass em to my builder
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| 04:37 | <cyberorg> ogra, so why dont we put --extra-help in a config file?
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| 04:37 | <johnny> --extra-help is just a list
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| 04:37 | the options can come from a config file
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| 04:37 | the scripts read in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf and can preset the values
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| 04:37 | <ogra> cyberorg, feel free to write a wrapper to ltsp-build-client
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| 04:37 | <Nubae> ogra: except the dhcp stuff
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| 04:37 | <johnny> i think that is the name anyways..
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| 04:38 | all the run time stuff is in lts.conf tho
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| 04:38 | <ogra> Nubae, right, because you likely break distro rules by blindly changing dhcpd.conf
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| 04:38 | <cyberorg> ogra, if i knew all distros as well as i do suse and could code a bit too :)
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| 04:38 | <ogra> or at least end up with very upset admins if their config *just changes*
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| 04:38 | cyberorg, no
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| 04:38 | <johnny> oh. yeah. we would never support such a thing on gentoo :)
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| 04:38 | <Nubae> maybe I'm misunderstanding... but if cyberorg is saying a centralised config file is all one needs to touch... and it doesnt break stuff... its a good thing, no?
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| 04:39 | <ogra> you dont need to know any distro for a wrapper around ltsp-build-client
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| 04:39 | thats the point i'm trying to get across to you since months
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| 04:39 | <johnny> a wrapper around?
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| 04:39 | <cyberorg> ogra, the script i could write was about 15 lines, captain_magnus made it really usable
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| 04:39 | <ogra> johnny, to seed the options with values from a config
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| 04:39 | <johnny> that already works?
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| 04:39 | i could swear it does
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| 04:39 | <ogra> johnny, might even be
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| 04:40 | <johnny> every ltsp command reads in /etc/ltsp/$commandname.conf
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| 04:40 | that i can remmeber
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| 04:41 | <ogra> i never use that ... but vagrant might have added such a thing
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| 04:41 | <johnny> i know you don't.. :)
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| 04:42 | <ogra> but if it wouldnt be there it would be a five line wrapper :)
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| 04:42 | whithout *any* distro specific knowledge
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| 04:42 | <johnny> ogra, .. i have some distro specific options...
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| 04:42 | <cyberorg> ogra, if a new admin takes over the server, how would he know what exact options the ltsp server was built with? passing options at commandline are lost, but the config file would still be around
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| 04:42 | <johnny> like MAKEOPTS
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| 04:43 | <ogra> johnny, we all have *some* bt the majority is identical through our common frontend
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| 04:43 | <Nubae> cyberorg: plus its centralised... one location to do all configuration
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| 04:43 | <johnny> Nubae, that already works
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| 04:43 | or should
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| 04:43 | <ogra> cyberorg, feel free to implement such a thing if vagrnat hasnt already
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| 04:43 | <johnny> as far as any option that ltsp-build-client accepts
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| 04:44 | any ${VAR} in any of the ltsp-* scripts should work with it
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| 04:44 | <ogra> but if johnny says it exists you might even be able to seed just the plugin configs
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| 04:44 | <Nubae> johnny: and where is that config file held?
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| 04:44 | <ogra> in /etc/ltsp
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| 04:44 | <johnny> Nubae, i just told you? :)
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| 04:44 | /etc/ltsp/${commandname}.conf
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| 04:44 | <Nubae> k sorry gotcha
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| 04:45 | <cyberorg> ogra, ltsp does not deal with tftp, nfs, xinetd, dhcpd configuration so there wont be much that could go in there, as you mentioned some time back you are not interested in ltsp-server-initialize kind of thing at all
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| 04:45 | <ogra> cyberorg, it doesnt because thats massively evil
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| 04:45 | <cyberorg> the central config we are using has configuration for those services too
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| 04:45 | <Nubae> cyberorg: dhcp config is already in there
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| 04:46 | <ogra> if you hd a running tftp and dhcp setup in your network and would be an amdmin, would you like if installing a package breaks your network ?
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| 04:46 | <Nubae> well, linking to a set of config files to make a bigger config file is all that is right?
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| 04:46 | <ogra> not really
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| 04:46 | yu need a parser
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| 04:47 | <Nubae> ah right
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| 04:47 | <cyberorg> ogra, no, that is why there are various switches, they are immensely useful for admins who do not know what services are required or how to configure them
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| 04:47 | <johnny> pl// ot dpesm
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| 04:47 | <ogra> and the only thing you actually need to adjust is dhcpd.conf
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| 04:47 | i dont see why you would break the distros setup for tftp or nbd
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| 04:47 | cyberorg, but thats already all done automatically
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| 04:47 | you *dont touch* tftp
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| 04:48 | its run by inetd ...
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| 04:48 | inetd *is set up automatically* by the scripts already
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| 04:48 | <Nubae> a switch for nbd or nfs makes a little sense though
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| 04:48 | <johnny> with nbdroot
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| 04:48 | and such
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| 04:48 | <ogra> the *only thing* you change is dhcpd.conf
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| 04:48 | <cyberorg> ogra, tftpd is disabled by default, so we do it from our wrapper script
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| 04:48 | <johnny> Nubae, that exists,.. in the chroot
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| 04:48 | <ogra> Nubae, the switch is there already
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| 04:48 | <cyberorg> ogra, http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/kiwi-ltsp-diagram.png
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| 04:49 | <ogra> cyberorg, because you dont use the upstream toold
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| 04:49 | tools
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| 04:49 | all you need to adjust with ltsp us dhcpd.conf on all distros using the upstream setup
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| 04:49 | <Nubae> so what suse has is a parser on top of everything that sends variables to various configuration files
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| 04:50 | <johnny> and enable tftp in his case
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| 04:50 | <ogra> right, suse uses its own distro specific frontend
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| 04:50 | kiwi-ltsp is like yast for ltsp
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| 04:50 | <johnny> not that big of a deal to say enable tftp..
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| 04:50 | <cyberorg> yeah https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/kiwi-ltsp/ltsp/suse-11.0/kiwi-ltsp-functions.sh?revision=266&view=markup
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| 04:50 | the one ogra calls monolithic monster :)
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| 04:50 | <ogra> without using ltsp actually
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| 04:51 | which is what jammcq and i are discussing with zonker since a month
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| 04:51 | <Nubae> well, from the admin end, I can see why it would be useful to just edit one file
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| 04:51 | <ogra> in the hope to get a kiwi and an opensuse dev to the BTS to solve it
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| 04:51 | <johnny> editing files?
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| 04:51 | where's the point and click?
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| 04:51 | lol
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| 04:52 | <Nubae> yeah its a bit of a pickle... :-) right now, cant add kiwi-ltsp stuff to documention, its too different
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| 04:52 | <cyberorg> ogra, you guys would have to put some pressure to get someone over, i have been trying since long time, can't seem to get anyone interested
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| 06:12 | <ogra> DRBL surely also has companies that offer commercial support
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| 06:12 | <cyberorg> ogra, novell decision makers who do not see benefit in supporting ltsp are unfortunately making a big mistake
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| 06:12 | <ogra> cyberorg, yes, but hey already have their product and dont want to cannibalize it
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| 06:13 | <Nubae> yeah... ndiyo.org has been doing that for a while now
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| 06:13 | <cyberorg> ogra, they should learn from unilever example ;)
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| 06:13 | <ogra> if i would be bound to something my company invested in like SuSE/Novell did i would do the same
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| 06:13 | simply because yu would burn a lot of money
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| 06:14 | once you make the decision to go your own way and money is involved, changing stuff is difficult and expensive
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| 06:14 | <Nubae> but not impossible
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| 06:14 | see apple :-)
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| 06:14 | <ogra> so i can totally understand that Novell wants to protect their investment
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| 06:15 | (that indeed doesnt explain why OpenSuse doesnt jump in on ltsp though :) )
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| 06:15 | <cyberorg> ogra, to spare one dev even part time for such a big corporation should not be a big deal, if it gives their customer more choice to me it seems to be a sound thing to do
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| 06:15 | <ogra> it indeed is from a community POV
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| 06:15 | <Nubae> cyberorg: but they won't and the reason is they have their own technology
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| 06:15 | <ogra> but these companies are management driven and have to make their revenue
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| 06:16 | <Nubae> unless the thing starts failing
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| 06:16 | then u will see how quick they junp to support ltsp
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| 06:17 | <cyberorg> Nubae, they are not at all working on diskless thin clients, they are more concentrated on wyse, HP and such TC with embedded OS with citrix client or something like that, very "enterprise" :)
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| 06:17 | <ogra> cyberorg, imagine you are manager ... you have a dev who gets in $150/h if you sell his coding power to a customer who wants a customized thin client solution ...
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| 06:21 | <cyberorg> ogra, they don't understand the purpose of ltsp then, ltsp just is not competing product to their offerings
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| 06:22 | <cyberorg> it adds value to their claim that they are the best in TC business
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| 06:27 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: would you happen to know what are the rules for using the ubuntu logo in 3rd-party documents or have a URL to a document that explains this?
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| 06:27 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, not really ... we ahve a mail address for it afaik
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| 06:28 | Q-FUNK, http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
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| 06:28 | trademarks@ubuntu.com
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| 06:35 | hmm
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| 06:35 | so our next release is called jaunty jackalope
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| 06:39 | <Nubae> jaunty... lol
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| 06:39 | <johnny> yeah f'real
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| 06:39 | lol
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| 06:39 | that sounds like ogra's new nickname
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| 06:39 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:39 | <johnny> he is jaunty at least
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| 06:40 | <Nubae> jackalope isnt a real animal....
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| 06:40 | <johnny> lol
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| 06:40 | uhmm.. i think only people who watched funniest videos with dave couiller
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| 06:40 | know what a jackalope is
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| 06:40 | lol
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| 06:40 | <ogra> in germany its a quite ancient "non" animal
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| 06:41 | and pretty popular as well
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| 06:41 | i think it comes from a fairytale
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| 06:42 | <kwak> anyone knows how to use newusers command to add batch users?
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| 06:42 | <ogra> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bild:Wolpertinger.jpg&filetimestamp=20080829140408
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| 06:42 | <johnny> FOUND IT
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| 06:42 | <ogra> from albrecht duerer ...
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| 06:42 | <johnny> or one of em
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| 06:42 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By9sHP1MWVk
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| 06:42 | Nubae, watch it ..
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| 06:42 | <ogra> drawn at 1502 ad
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| 06:43 | <Nubae> :-)
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| 06:44 | too weird
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| 06:47 | <johnny> it was a skit in America's Funniest People 15 years ago or so
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| 06:47 | or something like that
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| 06:48 | dave uhmm.. coullier hosted it (can't remember the spelling)
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| 06:48 | if you're familiar with alanis morrisette.. you'd know him as the guy she wrote that really nasty song about :)
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| 06:49 | she was worldwide iirc..
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| 06:51 | <Nubae> heh yeah I know the song
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| 06:53 | <johnny> btw.. he was also joey on full house.. if you ever saw that show..
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| 07:47 | <lejo> johnny: with the 'now' hot twins ;P
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| 07:48 | <johnny> lol
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| 08:08 | <klos> is it possible to run LTSP with compiz, so you could get the effects from the client ?
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| 08:08 | if the client supports graphics acceleration
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| 08:09 | *on the client
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| 09:38 | <ace_suares> klos: yes, i think so. Depends on the graphics card of the client
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 10:29 | <ogra> !s
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| 10:29 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:29 | <ogra> hey sbalneav
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| 10:29 | did you subscribe me to the SRU bug for ldm ?
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> Haven't done it yet, ran into a printing problem
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| 10:30 | Say
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| 10:30 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> I've fixed a bug in upstream CUPS
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| 10:30 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> Multi-tray printing was/is broooooken badly for openoffice
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| 10:31 | turns out the pstops filter was busted
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| 10:31 | <ogra> tkkamppeter is the cups guy in #ubuntu-devel
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| 10:31 | though cups abandoned ps with the new release afaik
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> Wonder what would be the process of getting that .... what?!?!
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| 10:31 | <ogra> its all pdf now
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> But the PRINTER doesn't understand pdfs
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| 10:32 | it only understands postscript
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| 10:32 | <ogra> but i might be wrong, till of pitti can tell you about that i guess
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 10:32 | ok, maybe I need to file an SRU for that other bug as well.
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| 10:32 | <ogra> afaik cups expects pdf as input format
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| 10:33 | all apps are being changed atm ... i.e. oo.o, gnome-print libs etc
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> Hmm, well I better check to see if multi-bin printing works on that.
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| 10:35 | <ogra> i just printed something today on intrepid and didnt find any issues ...
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| 10:35 | but then i just plug in my HP USB printers to my lappie
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| 10:36 | without much special feature usage
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| 10:36 | oh, tkkamppeter is just around in -devel btw
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| 10:37 | <Nubae> can someone post an example dhcpd.conf file with mac addresses and subgroups (for documention)
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| 10:37 | <ogra> uhg
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| 10:37 | * ogra never ever uses that or poposes that ... | |
| 10:38 | <Nubae> its mentioned in the documentation, but needs an example to make sense
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| 10:38 | <ogra> i'D just point guys who want such a complicated setup to read a dhcp book i guess
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| 10:38 | <Nubae> I didnt add that
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| 10:38 | heh, that's a bit extreme, dontcha think?
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| 10:38 | <ogra> its really something you sholdnt play with without having the necessary background knowledge
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| 10:39 | <Nubae> ok, then I take out adding static entries to dhcpd.conf ?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> no, mention it but also mention that users wanting that should collect the necessary dhcp knowledge first
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| 10:44 | <Nubae> k
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| 10:58 | <cyberorg> ogra, what are the hackfest dates?
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| 10:58 | <ogra> early november, jammcq can tell you the exact dates
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| 10:58 | <cyberorg> is the details posted on wiki somewhere?
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| 10:58 | ah, ok
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| 10:59 | jammcq, ping
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| 10:59 | <ogra> it should, but dont ask me :)
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| 11:00 | <jammcq> cyberorg: pong
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| 11:00 | sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:01 | <cyberorg> jammcq, got it, 6 Nov, maine
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| 11:01 | <jammcq> ah
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| 11:01 | yeah, today i'll pin it down for sure. Gotta call the motel to reserve the whole place
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| 11:01 | is Nov 6-9 good for everyone?
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 11:02 | * ogra thinks so | |
| 11:03 | <ogra> though i didnt book yet
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| 11:07 | <jammcq> ok, we have the hotel
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| 11:07 | they have 20 rooms and they're all open
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| 11:07 | I'll pin down the costs later today. last year, the rate was $60/nite
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| 11:08 | some people might like to have their own room, others may want to share the room, splitting the cost
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| 11:42 | <Q-FUNK> where at?
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| 11:42 | ah, maine
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| 11:43 | any way these meetings could be held outside USA, every once in a while?
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| 11:44 | <laga> as much as i'd like to make fun for people not wanting to go to the US.. they're right ;)
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| 12:58 | <brendan_> i am trying to turn off ssh tunneling on an ltsp-5 install. i know i saw it on the web the other day, but now for some reason i can't find it...i know it's just one line in the lts.conf, but, what is that line?
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 12:59 | <brendan_> haha
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| 12:59 | thanks
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| 15:51 | <ace_suares> q-funk, r u there ????
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| 15:51 | q-funk slaes question !
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| 15:51 | q-funk sales question !
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| 15:55 | <wwx> :-)
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| 15:55 | looks like you try to wake him up
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| 15:56 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 15:56 | <Q-FUNK> ace_suares: wassup? :)
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| 15:58 | <ace_suares> hey man !
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| 15:59 | how are you. I am making a quote for a 65 thin client system. I try to get thin can in there too. The latest model, what does it cost ?
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| 15:59 | teh dbe62
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| 16:00 | and what about RDP can it do RDP too ?
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| 16:01 | <ace_suares> Q-funk !?
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| 16:03 | <Q-FUNK> RDP is a separate issue
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| 16:03 | <ace_suares> win ce costs extra ?
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| 16:03 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 16:03 | <ace_suares> so what costs dbe62 with only pxe and what wit win ce ?
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| 16:03 | <warren> Q-FUNK: so about that missing button...
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| 16:03 | <ace_suares> hi warren :-)
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| 16:03 | <Q-FUNK> LOL
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| 16:04 | ace_suares: for this, better request a quote via my artec mail :)
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| 16:04 | <ace_suares> can't you PM me ? I jus tneed a ballpark they will contact you via maill
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| 16:08 | <warren> Q-FUNK: dude, you can totally sell buttons
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| 16:08 | Q-FUNK: you're saying no to money =)
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| 16:08 | <Q-FUNK> warren: I brought the idea up. was totally laughed at
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| 16:08 | <warren> hahah
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| 16:09 | Q-FUNK: they don't think people would buy it?
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| 16:09 | Q-FUNK: sure it is funny, but people would seriously buy it.
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| 16:16 | <wwx> yep, i'll take two
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| 16:17 | one with green and one with yellow led, so then it's visible that at least power is switched on
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| 16:18 | don't know yet which color i prefer
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| 16:18 | :)
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| 16:33 | <warren> it makes a screeching noise until you turn it off
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| 16:36 | <wwx> yes, additional fan noise emulation option
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| 16:37 | then it looks much more powerful than it was
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| 21:05 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:30 | <sbalneav> Hello again!
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| 21:30 | Whoohoo!
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| 21:30 | Processor and ram upgrade complete
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| 21:33 | Now I've got the Core 2 Duo 8500 with the VT extentions, so I can properly play around with KVM or Xen
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| 21:42 | <warren> sbalneav: woo hoo
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| 23:48 | <stgraber> sbalneav: yeah, will be a lot easier to do VM testing now :)
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