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Channel log from 6 June 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:37 | <popsy^popsyMint> i got a problem! anyone can help?
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| 05:37 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 05:37 | <ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 05:38 | <popsy^popsyMint> when i monitor user, it doesn't work!
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| 05:38 | <alkisg> Which distro/version?
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| 05:38 | <popsy^popsyMint> Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> Are you using ltsp, netbooted clients?
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| 05:39 | <popsy^popsyMint> yes
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> It sounds like you didn't install epoptes-client in the chroot
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| 05:39 | Do you see the clients before login, like blue/green monitor images?
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| 05:40 | Check the images there: http://ts.sch.gr/mediawiki/images/b/b3/0.5.7_epoptes_startup.png
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| 05:40 | <popsy^popsyMint> i'll check it
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| 05:40 | <alkisg> The green/blue ones, do you see images like those?
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| 05:43 | <popsy^popsyMint> nope
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> OK, then you need to install epoptes-client in your chroot, and re-run ltsp-update-image
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| 05:44 | epoptes.org/installation
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| 05:44 | <popsy^popsyMint> it just their screen but when I click to broadcast > monitor user
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| 05:44 | there's no window to show
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| 05:47 | <alkisg> I understood and I told you the solution
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| 14:18 | <cvillasboa> Well, once again, I apologize for disturbing again, but I still have some doubts, now I have a problem, I am using a laptop as a client, the laptop supports PXE when the start finds the IP address of the LTSP server. and also the name of the file, but after finishing all this process I receive a message of "There is no boot device", I want to know if it happened to someone the same
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| 14:20 | Actually, the message I receive is
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| 14:20 | "no bootable device"
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| 14:21 | <||cw> the messages preceding are the important ones
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| 14:23 | <cvillasboa> It is worth mentioning that my laptop does not have a hard drive, because I took it out, I understand that it is not necessary
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| 14:23 | <||cw> that's correct
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| 14:23 | "no bootable device" is usually a BIOS message, so the messages before that would be what shows why the PXE won't boot
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> cvillasboa: that probably means you didn't configure your server correctly and no client can boot
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| 14:27 | <cvillasboa> I write you the messages that appear previously
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> What's the output of `sudo ltsp-info | nc termbin.com 9999` ?
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| 14:33 | <cvillasboa> Station IP address is 192.168.67.80 The Server IP address is 192.168.67.22 NBP file name is /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 NBP filesize is 42788 Downloading NBP file ......... Succed to download NBP file.
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> What is NBP?
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| 14:34 | Is the client UEFI? Configure it in legacy mode if so
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| 14:35 | <cvillasboa> This appears during the start, but as mentioned above, I receive the message from.. " no bootable device"
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> (05:27:58 μμ) alkisg: What's the output of `sudo ltsp-info | nc termbin.com 9999` ?
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| 14:37 | <cvillasboa> `sudo ltsp-info | nc termbin.com 9999` , this should run on my server, is that correct?
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| 14:42 | <alkisg> Correct. Need to go now, be back in a couple of hours; maybe ||cw can continue helping...
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| 14:43 | <cvillasboa> No LSB modules are aivalable http://termbin.com/2uxq
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| 14:44 | that is the result of `sudo ltsp-info | nc termbin.com 9999`
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| 14:45 | No LSB modules are aivalable http://termbin.com/2uxq
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| 14:48 | thanks alkisg
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| 14:50 | there I send you the result of the command you suggested to me, I hope someone's help ...
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| 14:53 | <Trendzetter> Hi everyone!
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| 14:55 | <cvillasboa> Hi
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| 14:55 | <Trendzetter> I want to express my enthusiasm for the project and the smooth use we had over the past year
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| 14:55 | <Trendzetter> I also want to report to that we celebrate 1 year on LTSP with a little donation to epoptes paypal
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| 14:56 | special thanks to alkisg who supported us in here during setup
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| 14:58 | c u later byebye
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| 15:00 | <Hyperbyte> That is nice!
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| 15:13 | <||cw> cvillasboa: that's all from the boot messages? seems it's getting the PXE, but then trying to boot local anyway
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| 15:53 | <cvillasboa> ||cwy: es those messages that I receive during the start
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| 15:53 | yes*
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| 15:59 | As suggested by Alkisg, run this command, `sudo ltsp-info | nc termbin.com 9999`, whose result was the following ...
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| 15:59 | No LSB modules are aivalable http://termbin.com/2uxq
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| 16:00 | I don't understand very well what it's for
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| 16:02 | <||cw> it just shows that you do in fact have an image.
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| 16:02 | <cvillasboa> I understand
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| 16:23 | <||cw> what method did you use to install/configure the server? if it's new, maybe start over from scratch with ltsp-manager.
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| 16:23 | unless you really want to get into debugging PXE and such
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| 16:29 | <mmarconm> alexxtasi[m]: ltsp its recommended for productions, like company, database programm etc ...
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> cvillasboa: is this the first time you're trying ltsp? did you manage to boot any clients at all?
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| 16:38 | Trendzetter: thank you dear, much appreciated. Please do remind me next time you'll need help, to do a bit more than usual. :)
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| 16:40 | <mmarconm> alkisg: ltsp its recommended for productions, like company, database programm etc
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> mmarconm: is this a question? Sure, if it fits your needs, you can use it in production. It's already used in many similar environments.
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| 16:41 | <mmarconm> alkisg: ohh thanks, but with fat client or thin client ? a client of my asked about that, he want on a supermarket
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> Fat clients are better
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| 16:47 | <mmarconm> Debian with mate or ubuntu lxde, mate ?
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> mmarconm: currently, the one more tested is ubuntu 16.04 mate
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| 16:51 | In September, it will be ubuntu 18.04 mate
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| 16:51 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 16:51 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is the recommented method to install and maintain LTSP for "usual" setups. Since it doesn't involve chroots, it requires little to no command line to maintain it. It automatically supports both thin and fat ltsp clients. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> !ltsp-manager
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| 16:51 | <ltsp`> ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> Follow one of those 2 methods
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| 16:53 | <mmarconm> Thank you
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> np
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| 18:09 | <cvillasboa> ||cw: first install the ltsp-server-standalone and then in ltsp-build-client I am using ubuntu as ltsp server, followed a tutorial of them
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| 18:11 | <||cw> cvillasboa: try ltps-manager
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| 18:11 | ltsp-manager
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| 18:11 | also,which guide? maybe it was old, or not well tested and they missed something
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| 18:12 | <cvillasboa> It's ok, I'll do it
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| 18:17 | alkisg: Yes, it's the first time I try, and I still can not lift it, I'll try ltsp-manager as it says ||cw
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| 18:19 | <bwicksall> Hello, I'm new to LTSP. I have done 3 installs following the LTSP-PNP method at https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto . My clients randomly get a black screen when booting or at logoff. It looks like ldm-script init is hung. If I kill the script the logon appears.
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| 18:20 | I'm running Debian 9
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| 18:22 | <gbaman> That's interesting bwicksall... As I have been getting similar with Debian 9 as well (on Raspberry Pi) and thought might just be me or Pis...
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| 18:22 | But works no issue on Debian 8
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| 18:24 | <vagrantc> bug reports appreciated
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| 18:24 | <bwicksall> Looks like nbd is having issues when it is called from the ldm init script
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| 18:25 | Noob here. Where do I report bugs?
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> !nbd
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| 18:26 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'nbd', but I do know about these similar topics: 'disable-nbd-proxy', 'nbd-proxy', 'nbd-compression', 'quick-nbd-tests', 'nbd-client', 'nbd-server-bug', 'nbd-trusty-bug', 'nbd-client-breaks-nm', 'nbd-bug', 'nbd-checkupdate'
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> !nbd-checkupdate
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| 18:26 | <ltsp`> nbd-checkupdate: To avoid bug https://github.com/NetworkBlockDevice/nbd/issues/59, put this in lts.conf: INIT_COMMAND_RM_NBD_CHECKUPDATE="rm -rf /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/I01-nbd-checkupdate"
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> bwicksall: see if it's that ^ issue that affects you
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| 18:27 | <bwicksall> I'll do that now. Was leaning toward that already
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| 18:30 | <cvillasboa> ||cw: the guide I followed is really a video, it shows that the installation on Ubuntu 16.04 does not seem to be that old, and also uses a laptop as a client
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> cvillasboa: I have 5 mins of availability, if you're here I could have a lookover vnc
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| 18:30 | !vnc-dide
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| 18:30 | <ltsp`> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 18:32 | <bwicksall> ltsp: looks like that fixed my issue. Just did several random restarts and it worked every time
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> bwicksall: ltsp is a bot that we invoke to show notes
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| 18:33 | It's not a person; I used it to show you the link
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| 18:34 | <gbaman> I will give it a go as well and see if it fixes it for Raspbian Stretch, that one has had me scratching my head for quite a while now
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: should we just remove the nbd-checkupdate functionality? it seems to cause more problems than it solves...
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| 18:35 | alkisg: or disable by default or something
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> vagrantc: for september, I'll test adding a small delay there
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| 18:35 | I think even 1 sec solves the issue
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| 18:35 | <bwicksall> alkisg: Thanks for the help!
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> I can't say that I like the functionality, but adding 1 sec delay at that point doesn't sound that bad
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| 18:35 | bwicksall: np
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| 18:36 | <cvillasboa> alkisg: I'm leaving work right now, we could do it tomorrow, depending on your time ..
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> cvillasboa: I'll be around 8:30 - 11:30 Greek timezone tomorrow
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| 18:36 | If you can find me then, np
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| 18:37 | (morning)
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: "sleep" workarounds generally indicate real problems that minor things can change how much sleep you need
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> vagrantc: indeed; the proper solution will come with reporting the problem to the kernel nbd module
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| 18:39 | <cvillasboa> I do not know what time it would be, I'm in Paraguay and now it's 14:37
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> I reported it to the client-side nbd github repo, which wasn't the correct place, but I didn't take the time to properly report it. Hopefully someone else will.
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| 18:39 | cvillasboa: now it's 21:40 here
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| 18:39 | <cvillasboa> in case it serves as a reference
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| 18:40 | ok, then the schedule adjusts
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| 18:42 | thanks alkisg
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| 18:44 | I will keep trying as it says ||cw anyway
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| 18:45 | thanks to you also ||cw
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| 18:45 | <||cw> i'm not a fan of video guides, too easy to miss something. use the official ltsp-manage guide and it's pretty easy
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| 18:47 | <cvillasboa> you're right, I'll follow the suggested guide
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| 18:54 | <gbaman> So alksig, what is that disabling then? What is nbd-checkupdate actually for?
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| 19:26 | <derick_> hey. I have setup ltsp-pnp setup. I am able to boot from ltsp server. But for some reason I am not able to login
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| 19:27 | https://youtu.be/4ue23MVEd9g - I also made a video about it
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| 19:29 | I am struggling with this for quite some time now(2 weeks). I would need some help from professionals (I am just a fresher student :p)
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