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Channel log from 9 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:40 | <LTSPTNK> "(15:31:08) ogra: LTSPTNK, try changing /bin/fusermount as well and see if that heps" fusermount atleast had wrong permissions (root and group fuse)
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| 01:04 | <LTSPTNK> ogra
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| 01:04 | there is something weird going on in my system :D
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| 01:05 | sudo nano /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules
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| 01:05 | KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="domain^users"
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| 01:05 | administrator@ltsp1:~$ ls -l /dev/fuse
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| 01:05 | crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 229 2008-07-09 09:00 /dev/fuse
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| 01:05 | domain^users has no permission for fuse after reboot
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| 01:08 | <LTSPTNK> fusermoun thought has kept the "domain^users" as valid group
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| 01:09 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: that's why we have the modprobe fuse && chmod 777 /dev/fuse in /etc/rc.local - remember?
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| 01:10 | <LTSPTNK> yeah, but i thought that system pulled the "default" rule from that file at reboot :O
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| 01:10 |  /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules
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| 01:10 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: I don't know, but your output tells me that permissions are gone after reboot
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| 01:11 | <LTSPTNK> thats for sure :)
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| 01:12 | Then we need to keep a little course about "rc.local" becouse I have never modified these scripts (thought I have wanted to sooo many times :D)
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| 01:12 | My rc.local is fulle commented out except the "exit 0" ath the end
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| 01:13 | so what I should do? uncomment the !/bin/sh -e at the beginning?
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| 01:14 | !/bin/sh -e
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| 01:14 | modprobe fuse && chmod 777 /dev/fuse
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| 01:14 | <ltspbot> LTSPTNK: Error: "/bin/sh" is not a valid command.
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| 01:14 | <LTSPTNK> this should cover it up?
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| 01:14 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: no, that's the shebang, it needs the #. Just insert the modprobe and chmod and a+x it
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| 01:15 | <LTSPTNK> a+x? sorry man, I'm a beginner with Linux/Unix :D
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| 01:16 | ohh
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| 01:16 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: sorry... chmod a+x /etc/rc.local grants execute permission to everyone
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| 01:16 | <LTSPTNK> it is the commented line there talking about execution bits
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| 01:16 | ^^ is it the same thing?
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| 01:17 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: exactly. chmod a+x does that
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| 01:18 | <LTSPTNK> any way to test it here or just reboot?
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| 01:18 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: http://catcode.com/teachmod/
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| 01:19 | LTSPTNK: just insert modprobe fuse
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| 01:19 | chmod 777 /dev/fuse before the exit 0 and reboot
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| 01:20 | <LTSPTNK> oki :)
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| 01:20 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: and be aware of the fact that now everyone can use fuse
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| 01:20 | <LTSPTNK> hmmm
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| 01:21 | isnt that what I wanted somehow, no others can log in than domain users
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| 01:21 | and the (fusermount) is still restricted to domain^users
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| 01:21 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: it might well be, just make sure you're aware of the consequences
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| 01:22 | <LTSPTNK> They can du oter things than use USB storage with that, can they anyhow permanently affect the system?
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| 01:23 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: not that I'm aware of, but there's a lot of filesystems using fuse, e.g. NTFS and sshfs
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| 01:25 | <LTSPTNK> i see
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| 01:26 | but the kids that are gonna use this first system are like 10 to 12 years old...
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| 01:26 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: I met a 15 y-o SuSE kernel hacker once...
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| 01:29 | <LTSPTNK> omg.... so I have a big security hole here.... Just hoping that those kids arent that good with Linux...
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| 01:30 | but if we talk little about the educational side. Those two classes which are going to use this little LTSP envinroment are both IT specific, they apply to those classes at 3rd class and start learning about computers at really early age.
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| 01:31 | this school is one so called "high-class" school, and the whole school has like 300 workstations / laptops, ONE Mac and NONE Linux
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| 01:32 | and for fuck sake we are in Finland, the home land of Linus
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| 01:38 | btw
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| 01:39 | anyone here noted software named "iTalc"?
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| 01:39 | http://italc.sourceforge.net/
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| 01:39 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: fuse is not a security hole per se. sshfs is pretty useful most of the time, but there are situations in which you don't want users to be able to mount whatever they please.
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| 01:40 | <LTSPTNK> true :)
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| 01:41 | gonna reboot now, sec :)
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| 01:45 | <LTSPTNK> administrator@ltsp1:~$ ls -l /dev/fuse
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| 01:45 | crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10, 229 2008-07-09 09:40 /dev/fuse
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| 01:46 | whatta fuck :D
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| 01:46 | still not wroking
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| 01:46 | working
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| 01:47 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: depends. The permissions worked nicely.
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| 01:49 | <LTSPTNK> yeah, I saw that, and that dmesg at tty2 tells me that it has been plugged in as sdb1
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| 01:49 | ...
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| 01:49 | hmmm really weird
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| 01:50 | something to do with something else still
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| 01:50 | prolly the user uid or some other group privilegies
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| 01:51 | whats the point where it should mount?
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| 01:51 | as default
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| 01:51 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: what distro you on?
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| 01:51 | <LTSPTNK> Ubuntu
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| 01:51 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: have you checked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev?
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| 01:56 | <LTSPTNK> im in the udev step all the time
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| 01:56 | dmesg works, but udev seems not to
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| 01:58 | If the udev rules are firing, then you should see an entry for the usb device in /var/run/ltspfs_fstab on the thin client:
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| 01:58 | that works
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| 01:59 | i hate vi
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| 01:59 | gonna install nano into chroot
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| 02:00 | <daduke> http://www.io.com/~dierdorf/emacsvi.html
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| 02:00 | <LTSPTNK> xD
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| 02:01 | thanks daduke U really cheered me up :)
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| 02:05 | <LTSPTNK> udev rules are firing and working
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| 02:05 | so lats thing is this funny command
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| 02:06 | ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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| 02:12 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: that's the ltspfs magic for remote USB mounting
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| 02:13 | <LTSPTNK> it gives an error which is in launchoad also, im reading this trought atmo
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| 02:14 | there should be a directory
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| 02:15 | /tmp/.username-ltspfs/
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| 02:15 | <LTSPTNK> doesnt exist here...
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| 02:20 | <LTSPTNK> it is related to Likewise-winbind authentication as it was expected
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| 02:20 | missing .xauth something file....
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| 02:27 | <LTSPTNK> but that bug was reported fiex early this year
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| 02:30 | <LTSPTNK> btw, is the ldm log somewhere?
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| 02:34 | <lejo_> LTSPTNK: /var/log/ldm.log
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| 02:36 | <LTSPTNK> hmmm
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| 02:36 | doesnt exist here
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| 02:36 | <lejo_> ldm2.log ?
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| 02:36 | <LTSPTNK> no
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| 02:36 | nothing even near that
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| 02:37 | lastlog, likewise-open, lpr.log, mail.err
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| 02:40 | little tricky :D
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| 03:24 | <wigwam> please, i have 2 NICs in my thin client... but it can only boot from one of them ... unfortunately linux detects the another one as eth0, so it fails with error: eth0: no link
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| 03:25 | any ideas please? som cmdline parameter for kernel to detect particular NIC as eth0, or make kernel not to wait for eth0 and try eth1
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| 03:27 | <daduke> wigwam: can you disable the other one in the BIOS?
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| 03:28 | <wigwam> daduke: no :(
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| 03:29 | i googled out something about modprobe.conf
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| 03:30 | <daduke> wigwam: you should be able to set it in modprobe.conf and then build a new initrd
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| 03:31 | <wigwam> thx, i will try modprobe.conf or udev rules
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| 03:34 | <exodos> how can i add script that will be executed every time user logs out from terminal server?
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| 03:36 | <ogra> wigwam, use /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist .... find out which module the NIC you dont want uses, blacklist it there and then run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 03:36 | <ogra> that will exclude the driver for the NIC so it cant be used by the kernel
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| 03:37 | <wigwam> thx
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| 03:40 | <LTSPTNK> ogra, did U read my conversation with daduke?
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| 03:41 | something really odd going on in my system
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| 03:41 | first of all, there isnt any ldm.conf
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| 03:41 | <ogra> there never was any ldm.conf
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| 03:41 | <LTSPTNK> second of all the system doest create folders under /tmp/ like it is meant
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| 03:42 | <ogra> ???
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| 03:42 | what do you mean with that ? who told you its meant to do that ?
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| 03:42 | <wigwam> ogra: hmm, it's not possible for me :(
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| 03:43 | <LTSPTNK> i googled and found launchpad pug report which is atleast parallel bug to my own
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| 03:43 | while trying this command ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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| 03:43 | * ogra stil doesnt understand ... we dont create any folders in /tmp | |
| 03:43 | <ogra> and ldm never had config file
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| 03:43 | <LTSPTNK> it gives an error: /tmp/.username-ltspfs/tmp is not mounted
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| 03:43 | <wigwam> ogra: on the one hand, the 2 NICs uses different drivers, so for this sort of TC it could be possible.. But we have also clients that have only one NIC (unfortunately of that disabled driver)
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| 03:44 | <LTSPTNK> sorry, i misstyped, not config file, ldm.log
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| 03:44 | <ogra> *and* it wrked fine when we both tested your setup wit a local user
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| 03:44 | ah. well, if you see a graphical login there must be /var/log/ldm.log on the client ...
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| 03:44 | ldm wouldnt start otherwise
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| 03:44 | it creates it on startup
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| 03:45 | <LTSPTNK> yeah, it has something to do with the domain users, but udev rules are working now, but something about .xauthority is being referrd in these bug reports found in launchpad, but all has reported been fixed
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| 03:45 | <ogra> right
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| 03:45 | and its not related to your problem as we have seen when testing with a locally created user, your ltsp does exactly what it should do
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| 03:46 | <LTSPTNK> but the xauthority would make sense, because domain users are prolly not having it or it isnt created like it should or smthg like that
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| 03:46 | <ogra> no
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| 03:46 | ldm creates the xauth cookies for everyone ... if you can log in then xauth has worked
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| 03:47 | <LTSPTNK> oki :)
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| 03:47 | but do u have a clue where the problem might be becouse the udev rules are working atmo, im pretty sure about that
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| 03:47 | <ogra> it doesnt matter where your user credentials are stored, if the login succeeds it will also create the xuath stuff
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| 03:47 | <LTSPTNK> the fstab contains things which it needs to
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| 03:48 | <ogra> well, i can just repeat, make sure your system users are not managed by AD is the easiest fix here
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| 03:48 | i.e. everything with a UID < 1000 shouldnt be handled in AD
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| 03:48 | <LTSPTNK> nothing beside the actual user is handled by AD
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| 03:49 | but becouse of that, the AD user isnt part of any Linux group
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| 03:49 | except the domain^admins have sudo rights :D
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| 03:50 | <vlt> Hello. I'm installing LTSP on Ubuntu Hardy. It seems many things have changed since LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 6.06. When I try login _on_ the client I get "account expired", while the client's /etc/passwd and `passwd -S` look fine for me. Any idea what could be the problem here? Is /etc/passwd taken from a different location than the built image?
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| 03:52 | <LTSPTNK> the ldm.conf states now that Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication ....
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| 03:55 | <LTSPTNK> fucking ldm.conf
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| 03:55 | i mena the ldm.log
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| 03:55 | mean
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| 03:58 | <ogra> LTSPTNK, so one last time again: the issue you have is *not* an ltsp issue since everything works fine with non AD users, try to get your AD right ...
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| 03:59 | ... before you start breaking the working stuff by poking aournd in ltsp
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| 04:00 | <LTSPTNK> yeah, I see that
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| 04:00 | but the thing I mean is that prolly the thing is between these two
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| 04:00 | <vlt> `passwd -S`: "root P 07/09/2008 0 99999 7 -1", but "Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator" ... hmmmm ...
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| 04:00 | <ogra> vlt, root is locked by default ...
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| 04:00 | <LTSPTNK> becouse the AD is working as it is meant, just "user database" which we authenticate against
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| 04:01 | <ogra> vlt, use passwd -u before setting a password (and dont forget to regenerate the image afterwards)
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| 04:01 | <LTSPTNK> it doesnt serve as user rights directory or any else, becouse it isnt meant to, and it cant do that
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| 04:01 | only thing the AD is used for is the kerberized authentication, and it _can_ read some groups, like domain^admins for sudo rights
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| 04:02 | the whole AD isnt linked to Linux system groups anyhow
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| 04:02 | <ogra> did you try to add a group to AD that has the same GID as the fuse group in your ltsp server ? and add your testuser to it ?
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| 04:02 | <LTSPTNK> it is impossible
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| 04:02 | <ogra> you cant create groups in AD ?
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| 04:02 | <LTSPTNK> GID cant be modified without schema extension
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| 04:03 | and our Domain Supervisors dont like the idea of installing schema extension
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| 04:03 | becouse they dont like at all anything else than Windows
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| 04:03 | <vlt> ogra: Thank you I'll try ...
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| 04:03 | <LTSPTNK> so thats why I have changed all things that are referring to fuse to refer domain^users or to have full 0777 permission
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| 04:04 | and now the udev rules are working (ltspf_fstab) looks fine
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| 04:04 | (didnt infact last time)
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| 04:04 | but the partiotion is not mounted
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| 04:08 | <ogra> ltsp_fstab ????
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| 04:08 | * ogra sighs and goes away for now | |
| 04:08 | <LTSPTNK> :D
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| 04:08 | i cant really remeber the things by their own names
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| 04:09 | <LTSPTNK> ltspfs_fstab
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| 04:09 | in client/var/run/
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| 04:13 | <vlt> ogra: Yes, `passwd -u` worked. But I don't understand why. There was "P" in `passwd -S`, not "L" ...
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| 04:18 | <exodos> as anyone any idea why the xsession is not if when gnome-keyring-daemon is still running?
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| 04:19 | * is not exiting *
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| 04:21 | when I click log out button most of my programs gets closed (including ssh connection) but my screen is still displaying desktop background
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| 04:21 | <exodos> i have to kill gnome-keyring-daemon to release it
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| 04:23 | when i use NX to connect session quits normally
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| 04:23 | <LTSPTNK> daduke
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| 04:23 | U use Debian?
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| 04:38 | <vlt> Hello. How to re-read lts.conf on the client now? I tried `/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup start` but this didn't work.
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| 04:38 | <gatekeeper> hello guys, how's goin..?
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| 04:39 | does anyone have some bad experience with skype usage on ubuntu ltsp client
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| 04:39 | <gatekeeper> like ... freezing after trying to quit and increasing cpu usage to 100%
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| 04:39 | ?
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| 04:40 | <lejo_> ogra: I cooked up a patch for the numlock stuff, can I post it as non-member to the list?
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| 04:40 | <gatekeeper> thanks in advice/help ..
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| 04:42 | <cyberorg> lejo_, just become a member, we wont let you off with one patch
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| 04:45 | <ogra> lejo_, if you would store it on launcpad (no idea if you have/want that) you can just click the "propose branch for merging" button ... all people subscribed to the upstream branch will then get the change for review
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| 04:45 | (if not, use the list, which we dont have much control over, so i have no clue if a non member mail will get through to ltsp-devel)
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| 04:47 | vlt, it was never possible to re-read lts.conf without much fiddling, easiest is to reboot the client
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| 04:51 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: I'm on etch, yes.
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| 04:53 | <LTSPTNK> so might be worthy of testing for me, i just need to change the graphics card to my other testmachine...
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| 04:53 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: ?
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| 04:54 | <LTSPTNK> my other test machine has some integrated sis shit and it will not go to X atleast in Ubuntu
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| 04:54 | but i guess i have one spare card floating around in this room :D
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| 04:55 | does debian have same kind of "server-kernel" as ubuntu to be 32bit but still use more than 3.2gig of ram?
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| 04:56 | * ogra doubts that | |
| 04:56 | <ltsppbot> "gate_keeper" pasted "skype" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/22
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| 04:56 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: I don't think off-the-shelf etch does, we use our own kernels for > 3 gigs
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| 04:56 | <gatekeeper> here's skype debug message
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| 04:56 | <LTSPTNK> own kernels... omg
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| 04:56 | so it is no good for me either...
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| 04:57 | <daduke> LTSPTNK: we have our reasons...
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| 04:59 | <LTSPTNK> but with this Ubuntu thingie im really out of choices, I can go that debug trought to that stage where it says, that if it doesnt work "file a bug report"
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| 04:59 | i mean it works with local users, but domain users it should work becouse the udev rules really get fired but after that nothing happens
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| 04:59 | <ogra> well, ubuntu people wont fix AD for you
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| 05:00 | <LTSPTNK> yeah, but i doubt that there is something between, not my AD nor the LTSP setup
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| 05:00 | <ogra> so even filing a but wont get you very far here i suspect
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| 05:00 | <LTSPTNK> some underlying mechanism that needs more priviligies (or something, i dunno)
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| 05:00 | but the mechanism is in the "mount" section
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| 05:01 | becouse the udev rules get fired and the usb memory is recognised and put as sdb1
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| 05:01 | and the ltspfs_fstab is correct
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| 05:02 | <ogra> ltsp_fstab has *nothing* to do with your problem
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| 05:02 | <LTSPTNK> ok
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| 05:02 | <ogra> you problem lies server side, dont break your clients
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| 05:02 | <LTSPTNK> i beleive u
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| 05:02 | Step 3: Did the ltsp udev rules fire?
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| 05:03 | If the udev rules are firing, then you should see an entry for the usb device in /var/run/ltspfs_fstab on the thin client:
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| 05:03 | <ogra> right, we know that 100% of that howto works if you use a local user
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| 05:03 | so there is no need to verify it again
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| 05:03 | fix the AD setup is the option you have
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| 05:03 | <LTSPTNK> but the funny thing is that it works to this part if im using domain user
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| 05:04 | and that is what im trying here
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| 05:04 | <ogra> it will work to that part even without users
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| 05:04 | <LTSPTNK> then the udev rules are not working yet
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| 05:04 | good
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| 05:04 | i can get back to them
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| 05:05 | <ogra> even if nobody is logged in ... udev is triggered by the plugging the client side isnt related at all to the server side or user credentials for that
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| 05:05 | <LTSPTNK> but this howto debug thing made me believe that hey would work atmo :)
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| 05:06 | simple
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| 05:06 | I start adding my domain credentials to /etc/group and when it starts working, I know what has gone to hell :)
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| 05:09 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 05:11 | anybody has this kind of problem during boot pxe : disk boot failure" ?
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| 05:15 | <LTSPTNK> lol
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| 05:15 | I'm part of the all groups where the local users are too with my domain user, and still no gg
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| 05:24 | <LTSPTNK> fortunately my VMware server is also ready to be used as LTSP server :)
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| 05:24 | <LTSPTNK> I just add my domain credential to all the groups and see if it makes difference
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| 05:25 | if it doesnt
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| 05:25 | then the problem is somewhere in the /home/DOMAIN/user part most propably
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| 05:26 | becouse the domain user should have all the rights in the world when it is part of all the system groups (all the same groups as the primary user)
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| 05:42 | <ogra> leio, can you set your editor to replace tabs with four spaces ? currently you indendation doesnt matc the rest of the code
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| 05:43 | and i think with having setxkbmap as well as numlockx basically using the same call for g_spawn_sync we should have a unified exec function for both
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| 05:44 | <ogra> apart from that the pacth looks fine ... please document lts.conf vars you add in the lts-parameters.txt file
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| 05:48 | <cyberorg> lejo_, ^^
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| 05:50 | <ogra> oh, my xchat cheted me, sorry leio
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| 05:50 | cyberorg, thank for spotting, i wouldnt even have noticed :)
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| 05:51 | <cyberorg> :) lejo_ would have missed it too
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| 05:51 | <ogra> well, he would have gotten the mail :)
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| 05:51 | i suppose
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| 05:56 | <LTSPTNK> ogra
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| 05:56 | updates
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| 05:57 | with FULLY DEFAULT ltsp (Ubuntu 8-04 64bit) envinroment, with AD user specified from /etc/group to belong into every same group as normal first created user I managed to get USB memory to wrok
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| 05:57 | work
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| 05:57 | <ogra> how :)
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| 05:57 | and congrats :)
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| 05:57 | oh, wait
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| 05:58 | <LTSPTNK> yeah
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| 05:58 | it isnt any victory yet
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| 05:58 | it as same as normal user atmo
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| 05:58 | <ogra> you say you crete user foo and add all other users to the foo group then ?
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| 05:58 | that will get you to a different problem ....
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| 05:58 | <LTSPTNK> hey, that way it might work
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| 05:58 | which problem?
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| 05:59 | * ogra points at bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/210379 | |
| 05:59 | <LTSPTNK> (im part of the system groups atmo)
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| 05:59 | <ogra> see my last comment on that bug
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| 05:59 | if all users are in the same group you will see all devices plugged in on all desktops ...
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| 06:00 | that can get quite messy ... with 50 users pluggin in 50 usb keys and all of them having a floppy drive (which creates an icon by default) you end up with 100 devices on every desktop
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| 06:01 | <LTSPTNK> :D
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| 06:01 | that aint nice
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| 06:01 | <ogra> upstream bug ...
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| 06:01 | sadly not solved properly yet
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| 06:02 | the workaround we use in ubuntu (and debian and fedora) atm relies on the default group created for the user
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| 06:04 | <LTSPTNK> but hmmmm
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| 06:05 | if i get the homedirs work properly i will most propably see like 5-10 usb memories at same time
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| 06:05 | but kids would be able to hassle with eachothers usb memories??
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| 06:05 | * ogra wonders how homedirs should be involved with ltspfs | |
| 06:05 | <LTSPTNK> nonnononono :)
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| 06:06 | <LTSPTNK> our domain homedirs are just pretty wicked
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| 06:06 | <ogra> yes, everyone has access to all devices he sees
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| 06:06 | (or she)
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| 06:06 | <LTSPTNK> will this be somehow repaired in coming 6 months?
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| 06:07 | but u mean that it should work pretty much like this?
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| 06:09 | domain^users:x:363332097:domain^users
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| 06:09 | fuse:x:106:administrator,domain^users
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| 06:09 | the default gids are just pretty long in the AD :(
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| 06:10 | <lejo_> ogra: thx for the feedback, i'll fix your remarks
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| 06:10 | <ogra> note that the lts-parameters.txt is in a different branch :)
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| 06:11 | <LTSPTNK> or I could make Linux group to AD and then add it to etc/group
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| 06:11 | <ogra> LTSPTNK, the fuse group has nothing to do with tht ...
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| 06:11 | <LTSPTNK> it was example :)
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| 06:11 | <ogra> and i dont know if it will be fixed within the next 6 months
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| 06:12 | <lejo_> ogra: bzr branch'ing already ;)
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| 06:12 | <ogra> pitti will work on a patch he said (as you can see on the upstream bug) but i doubt its high prio for him
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| 06:12 | <LTSPTNK> oki
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| 06:13 | thanks for info, i gotta get back testing these group thingies
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| 06:13 | but would it be possible to "autocreate" the proper groups for every AD user at login?
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| 06:14 | <ogra> no idea
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| 06:14 | <lejo_> maybe with some pam_script magic ?
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| 06:14 | <ogra> i never run into that :)
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| 06:14 | <lejo_> (did not follow the discussion)
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| 06:14 | <LTSPTNK> there is some script allrdy
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| 06:14 | came with Likewise
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| 06:15 | <LTSPTNK> but ccant locate it atmo
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| 06:15 | <ogra> i ont think pam script is packaged for debian or ubuntu for security reasons
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| 06:15 | you would have to compile it from source
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| 06:17 | <LTSPTNK> yeah, it isnt that big script but it was named like "likewise-adduser"
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| 06:17 | so it could store some useful information
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| 06:17 | <ogra> no, i' talking about te pam-script module that enables scriting for logins
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| 06:17 | *scripting
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| 06:17 | *any* kind of scripting
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| 06:30 | <LTSPTNK> is there a way to make one group part of another, just in basic linux groups, lets not hassle the AD shit here yet
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| 06:34 | <lejo_> LTSPTNK: linux does not allow this
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| 06:34 | you can't put a group in a group
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| 06:35 | <LTSPTNK> sad :(
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| 06:35 | is there a way in ldap then put ppl to system groups, like fuse, cdrom etc...
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| 06:36 | because i could easyli make an LDAP domain controller which would exchange the user base data with AD
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| 06:36 | <lejo_> if you would maintain those groups in LDAP :)
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| 06:38 | <stgraber> you can also use /etc/security/group.conf to virtually add all users in system groups
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| 06:42 | <LTSPTNK> thanks, that one was sen to printer immediatyle, lil homwrork :)
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| 07:15 | <LTSPTNK> awh
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| 07:16 | the group.conf doesnt help either, neither does anything else.... im getting pissed off....
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| 07:28 | <LTSPTNK> btw, what is the permission that owner can r/w other acceess denied
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| 07:35 | <LTSPTNK> 600 :)
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| 07:46 | <aidy> hi
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| 07:46 | the timezone is set correctly for the clients, but the clock is always two hours off
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| 07:47 | i can set it correctly using date but when i reboot it's wrong again
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| 08:05 | <vlt> aidy: `hwclock --systohd`
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| 08:05 | aidy: `hwclock --systohc`
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| 08:05 | aidy: ...hc is right.
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| 08:11 | <aidy> thanks ;)
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| 08:22 | <aidy> huh... suddenly ltsp-update-image doesn't react anymore
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| 08:22 | it just exits with no erros
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| 08:22 | errors
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| 08:33 | root@mellotron:/home/adriaan# ltsp-update-image --arch i386
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| 08:33 | root@mellotron:/home/adriaan#
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| 08:34 | ^ like that
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| 08:36 | ah wait i apt-get uninstalled ltsp-client
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| 08:37 | <warren> ogra: we confirmed that numlockx cannot be done with XKB* options?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> warren, nope
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| 08:39 | but i dont see it in the manpage
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| 08:40 | <aidy> how do i disable pulseaudio?
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| 08:40 | <aidy> (it's because i'm using a fat client and would like to do without pluseaudio)
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| 08:48 | <warren> ogra: lots of the xkb options are utterly undocumented =(
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| 08:48 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:49 | luckily its dying :)
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| 08:59 | <vlt> Hello. I remember having read somewhere that it is possible to use unencrypted ssh for the client to server connection. Is that possible and where to activate that?
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:03 | <lejo_> vlt: unencrypted ssh ? :)
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| 09:06 | <wigwam> vlt: in simple way, ssh is THE METHOD of encryption
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| 09:06 | of xserver traffic
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| 09:07 | vlt: it's possible NOT TO USE ssh, so that traffic will be unencrypted
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| 09:12 | <vlt> wigwam: Ok, maybe this was planned but never implemented ... How can I NOT USE ssh and connect from a client? XDMCP?
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| 09:15 | <ogra> vlt, yes thats true, ldm offers a mode where you got an ssh connection with unencrypted X transport ... you need to set LDM_DIRECTX for that
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| 09:16 | you dont want XDMCP ... unless you have fun implementing all features like sound localdev etc yourself
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| 09:16 | sbalneav, hey
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| 09:16 | good to see you
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| 09:17 | <stgraber> !s
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| 09:17 | <ltspbot> stgraber: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:19 | <Q-FUNK> hell froze over: Scotty is back! :)
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| 09:19 | <delly84> stgraber: do you have any scripts for setting up a fat client?
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| 09:20 | if you don't mind sending them to me, i would love to see them
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| 09:22 | <gatekeeper> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=854021&highlight=skype+freeze
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| 09:22 | any idea's how to solve this?
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| 09:23 | <stgraber> delly84: I'll need to clean them up a bit as they contain some site-specifc stuff (user authentication) and then upload them somewhere
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| 09:26 | <delly84> gotcha
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| 09:27 | <delly84> you might upload them on the fat client wiki
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| 09:27 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
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| 09:28 | <LastLemming> is it possible to use USB pen to boot on LTSP?
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| 09:29 | <delly84> also, does anyone know if/where this channel is logged? there was something said on here the other day that i can't remember
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| 09:29 | <stgraber> delly84: http://www.stgraber.org/download/fatclient.tar.gz
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| 09:29 | <delly84> AWESOME!!
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| 09:29 | thanks stgraber
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| 09:29 | <stgraber> delly84: I won't upload that to the wiki as it's not the way I'd recommend fat clients to be implemented. That should be implemented as ltsp-build-client scripts but I didn't have the time to do so
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> g'morning all
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| 09:30 | !seen sbalneav
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| 09:30 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 28 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> sbalneav: DUUUUUUDE !!!!!!!
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| 09:30 | <stgraber> delly84: note that those scripts have never been tested :) I had to remove a lot from them for stuff you don't need. You may need to update them a bit
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| 09:30 | <stgraber> delly84: to use it: unpack, make a backup of /opt/ltsp and then run : sh gen-fatclient.sh --regen
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| 09:30 | and wait an hour or so :)
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| 09:31 | <delly84> will do, thanks for the help
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| 09:32 | really, i would just like to see how you did it. cross your fingers, but i may have gotten this thing to work as it is. we shall see ...
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| 09:33 | if I did, it would nice to modify your script for the system i have here
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| 09:35 | <ninkendo> is there a good wiki page for speed tweaks for LTSP?
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| 09:36 | I swear LTSP got slower when I upgraded to hardy
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| 09:37 | scrolling in firefox is much slower and laggy, for instance... dunno if it's FF3's rendering engine or something different in ltsp
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| 09:40 | <ltspbot> cliebow: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 38 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:40 | <cliebow> Dude!!!
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> ´Hey all
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| 09:46 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:49 | <delly84> LastLemming: yeah, try this: http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu_USB_Install
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| 09:50 | I use pxe from a cdrom which seems to work well
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| 09:51 | or here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Manual Approach
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| 09:51 | sorry that last link didn't work
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| 09:52 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Manual%20Approach
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| 09:53 | <wigwam> please, is somehow possible to use rdesktop's usb port transfer with ltsp?
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| 09:54 | <LastLemming> thx
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| 09:54 | <wigwam> i know rdesktop protocol supports it, thin clients with windows CE work well... but i can't find linux solution
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| 09:56 | <LastLemming> hum not I mean use usb or floppy or cdrom boot then get ldm
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| 09:57 | so client with no PXE
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| 10:00 | <cliebow> Good to see you Scott..We Miss you!
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| 10:02 | <delly84> do you want to run the os from a usb storage dongle?
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| 10:02 | LastLemming: without ltsp?
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| 10:04 | boot and load from the pen drive? because that is a different issue
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| 10:06 | <vlt> Hmmmm, what has changed with nbd server? I have SWAP_SERVER=192.168.1.128 and NBD_PORT=9572 (which was 3000 before). But swap is not activated? What else do I need?
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| 10:12 | <aidy> booting over network doesn't work anymore: http://omploader.org/vbGRt
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| 10:30 | <delly84> LastLemming: if you would like to do a liveUSB type thing here is a good howto
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| 10:30 | http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-usb-bar
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| 10:44 | <delly84> how do i hide a startup script from all runlevels?
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| 11:41 | <jdnWEST> I just bought some used, WYSE 3235LE terminals, and need to reset them to factory defaults, the hold G, and F4 thing isn't working, anyone used these before?
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| 12:13 | <delly84> ogra: is this channel logged somewhere?
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| 12:13 | <laga> !logs
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| 12:13 | <ltspbot> laga: Error: "logs" is not a valid command.
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| 12:13 | <laga> !log
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| 12:13 | <ltspbot> laga: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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| 12:13 | <ogra> sadly not
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| 12:14 | <laga> bah.
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| 12:14 | <delly84> sugar!
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| 12:16 | ogra: i am still getting a nbd_server: read failed: connection timed out error
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| 12:16 | i cleaned up my ldap so that i don't have any uids under 1000
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| 12:16 | <ogra> did you try out stgraber's scripts ?
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| 12:17 | i would try it without ldap first ... and only add that if everything works with a local user
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| 12:18 | <delly84> no, i haven't had a chance to dive into them. one thing to note is that i got a mountd authenticated mount request ... which seems good
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| 12:19 | i'll disable ldap and see if that helps
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| 12:29 | <opensauce> hi all
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| 12:30 | if I wanted to setup clients to login to a LTSP server without a password would I be correct in doing this with ssh authentication keys?
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| 12:32 | <opensauce> am I correct in understanding that client logins to the server use ssh?
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| 12:34 | in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc dir should I have user entries in the passwd and shadow file?
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| 12:34 | how about the /opt/ltsp/i386/home directories?
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| 12:35 | <ogra> neither
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| 12:35 | <opensauce> aha a taker....
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| 12:35 | <lejo_> no that would kinda defeat the idea of terminals
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| 12:35 | <ogra> you dont have users on the client ... the desktop sessions and users are all server side
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| 12:35 | <opensauce> ok so what is the purpsoe of the opt dir?
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| 12:36 | <ogra> try imagining a client like additions display/input/output devces of your server only
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| 12:36 | to make the client boot to a login manager and enable its HW to work
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| 12:36 | <opensauce> ok......so what controls client logins?
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| 12:37 | <ogra> the usermanagement you use on the server
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| 12:37 | <opensauce> how would I logon to the server from a thin client without a password for specific users?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> well, indeed you need a usernae and password
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| 12:39 | <opensauce> someone must have had to do this before......being trying to find the answer for the last weel
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| 12:40 | week
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| 12:40 | <loather> i hacked the python LDM to get autologin functionality
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| 12:40 | it's a brutal ugly hack though
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| 12:40 | <ogra> loather, that doesnt cahnge anything ... your still need a user and password on the server :)
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| 12:40 | <loather> yup :)
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| 12:41 | actually, the accounts are passwordless
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| 12:41 | <ogra> yeah, the recent ldm can even use ssh keys
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| 12:41 | <loather> it uses a passwordless ssh key to log in :)
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| 12:41 | this is old, off the ubuntu 6.10 tarball on ltsp.org
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| 12:41 | <ogra> ah, you hacked that into the pythn version, cool :)
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| 12:41 | <opensauce> :(
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| 12:41 | * ogra really loved the py version | |
| 12:42 | <loather> the python one takes an entire minute to load on my terminals.
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| 12:42 | <ogra> bt it was to big and to slow
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| 12:42 | yeah
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| 12:43 | the C version takes about 10 seconds in average
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| 12:43 | <lejo_> hehe when I first started to hack on ldm this week I though: "Hey this could easily be done a python script". Afterwards cyberorg told me its history ;)
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| 12:44 | <loather> i'm using ltsp in a distribution center. most of the stations are kiosks tied to a specific function (e.g. receiving, shipping, etc.) so it didn't make sense to have individual user accounts
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| 12:44 | the application does its own authentication anyways
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| 12:44 | <lejo_> you want to use it as a sort of kiosk?
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| 12:44 | <ogra> yeah, my first version was actually a 20x100 pixel big frameless unthemed gtk window with two input fields and a button :)
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| 12:45 | sitting on a black background :)
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| 12:45 | in the top left corner ...
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| 12:46 | <lejo_> you've come a long way :)
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| 12:46 | * ogra is sad he never made a screenshot histroy of ldm's evolution | |
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| 12:47 | <Skarmeth> hi all
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| 12:48 | I am using LTSP 5 from Debian (etch, not backports) and compared to Fedora LTSP 5, it show ltsp:// at the screen corner instead of thin client name
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| 12:48 | my DNS have the A and PTR records pointing to this (and all other) thin clients...
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| 12:49 | any tip to fix this? so LTSP_CLIENT variable get set up with thin client name (used to get some apps working on my system).
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| 12:50 | <ogra> etch is so old that i cant exactly remember but i think back then you needed to supply manes with the dhcp reply ... i.e. define them in dhcpd.conf
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| 12:51 | wait for vagrantc , he might remember better what was up two years ago
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| 12:51 | <moldy> hi
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| 12:54 | <ogra> Skarmeth, btw, there is no code that would add the hostname to LTSP_CLIENT by default, you will have to hack up ldm for that
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| 12:54 | (or resort to IPs)
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| 12:55 | <moldy> on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto, i have read that it should be possible to remove ltsp-client from the chroot and install e.g. ubuntu-desktop instead -- is this true?
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| 12:56 | i am getting errors when trying to install some packages inside the chroot (the packages work fine outside the chroot) -- do i need to mount proc into the chroot or something like that?
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| 12:57 | <Skarmeth> ogra, my dhcp entryes are defines as this one host aspec-res-078 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:C5:5F:B8:07; fixed-address 192.168.1.98; }
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| 12:58 | and I have use-host-decl-names as on
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| 12:59 | <ogra> i remember there was some bug with the hostname handling but as i said, vagrant might be the better person to ask
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| 12:59 | <Skarmeth> ogra, the LTSP_CLIENT variable it's set to ltsp by default or it should be the thin client dns name?
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| 12:59 | <ogra> moldy, Nubae and stgraber both have scripts for setting up fat clients
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| 13:00 | Skarmeth, it was set to ltsp by default for the first several releases and later switched to supply the IP
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| 13:00 | <Skarmeth> because in Fedora LTSP 5, I get the thin client name at the corner at the same format as in debian, so I thinked it should be the thin client hostname and that it's a debian but (or config)
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| 13:00 | <ogra> etc is two years old ... so is its ltsp
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| 13:00 | *etch
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| 13:00 | <moldy> stgraber: can you help me out? :)
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| 13:01 | <ogra> fedora just included ltsp at all with the latest release and ndeed uses the latest we have
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| 13:01 | <moldy> ogra: ok, thanks. what about installing software inside the chroot, in general? some packages work, some packages fail.
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| 13:02 | <ogra> (and participated a lot in development for this cycle ... thans warren btw ... i never said that :) )
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| 13:02 | *thanks even
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| 13:02 | moldy, all packages should be installable (if you remember to mount /sys and /proc) ...
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| 13:03 | <moldy> ogra: ah that was exactly my question, thanks :)
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| 13:03 | <ogra> and remember to unmount them again :)
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| 13:04 | <moldy> ogra: unmount when? before ltsp-update-image?
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| 13:04 | <ogra> before leaving the chroot ... at least /sys needs to be unmounted
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| 13:04 | <moldy> ogra: ok, thanks
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| 13:04 | ogra: when/how do i mount? before entering the chroot?
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| 13:04 | <ogra> ltsp-update-image takes care for /proc if you forget it ... but is missng out on sys ...
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| 13:05 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ....
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| 13:05 | mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 13:05 | mount -t sysfs sys /sys
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| 13:05 | ... do your stuff ....
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| 13:05 | umount /proc
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| 13:05 | umount /sys
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| 13:05 | <moldy> ogra: great. thanks alot.
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| 13:05 | <ogra> ... hit ctrl-d
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| 13:39 | <warren> ogra: vagrantc: I plan on tagging ltsp-trunk later today.
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| 13:40 | * ogra wonders why he doesnt get commit mails | |
| 13:41 | <moldy> when playing flash videos (youtube), i encounter performance problems even though neither the server, nor the client, nor the network appear to be at their performance limit according to top/iptraf. is it at all possible to get fluid display of flash animations on ltsp clients?
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| 13:42 | <ogra> warren, wow, thats couraged ... LDM_DIRECTX=yes by default for Fedora
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| 13:42 | * ogra wouldnt ship like that | |
| 13:42 | <moldy> if anyone has any experience with this, i'd be glad to hear :)
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| 13:42 | <warren> ogra: it wasn't my decision =(
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| 13:43 | <ogra> who apart from the main dev for the distro makes such decisions ?
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| 13:43 | i mean ... *you* are the fedora ltsp guy and should know whats good ... weird
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| 13:44 | warren, btw, any compcache support in sight in fedora ?
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| 13:44 | <moldy> ogra: is it possible that i also need to mount /dev?
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| 13:44 | <warren> ogra: if it goes into upstream kernel then yes.
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| 13:44 | <ogra> moldy, no
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| 13:44 | <warren> otherwise no.
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| 13:45 | <ogra> i think that will still take time
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> warren: speaking of your lts.confoptions ... lookslike you still have several root shells open by default ... ?
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| 13:45 | <warren> vagrantc: nobody complained about it, and I want it for now
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| 13:45 | <moldy> ogra: it seems that inside the chroot, apt fails to configure some packages
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| 13:45 | <ogra> you should tell your users though
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| 13:45 | <moldy> Setting up scrollkeeper (0.3.14-15ubuntu1) ...
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| 13:45 | this sits there forever
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| 13:46 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:46 | welcome to my world ...
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| 13:46 | i stare tat that messge about 1h every day while building classmate PC images
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| 13:46 | <moldy> it's usual that this takes so long? oh.
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| 13:47 | <ogra> you learn to love it ...
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| 13:47 | (not that i'D be bitter or so) :P
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| 13:47 | <moldy> ;p
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| 13:47 | <ogra> upstream gnome works on a replacement though
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| 13:47 | next release it migh be gone
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| 13:47 | <laga> ogra: hey, i hear you can just do something else instead of staring on that message ;)
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| 13:48 | <ogra> laga, not anymore ... i'm quite exhausted ...
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| 13:48 | <laga> ogra: coffee?
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| 13:48 | <ogra> i had about 2x3h of sleep the last 48h ... i'm beyond the coffee thing ...
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| 13:48 | <laga> i'd be exceptionally cranky then
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> btw, guys - did my email this morning to ltsp-dev go thru?
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| 14:13 | it got held up by moderator for some reason
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| 14:13 | <jammcq> !seen sbalneav
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| 14:13 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <sbalneav> ´Hey all
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> cool
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| 14:13 | thats better than 3 weeks
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| 14:14 | <lejo_> ;)
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| 14:14 | <jammcq> Gadi: did you just become a member of that list today?
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> jammcq: no - but I emailed from my gmail account with an account alias on it
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| 14:15 | so maybe thats why
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| 14:15 | <jammcq> ahh, I see: Reason: Message has a suspicious header
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| 14:15 | <warren> silent.wav
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> lol
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| 14:16 | <jammcq> Gadi: I just approved your msg
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: heya!
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| 14:17 | <jammcq> multipart/mixed; boundary
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| 14:17 | that's likely the header that it doesn't like
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 14:18 | thanks, jammcq
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| 14:18 | <jammcq> Gadi: no problem
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| 14:25 | <moldy> hi
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| 14:25 | how do i check wether LDM_DIRECTX is working? i suspect that it does nothing (ssh still consumes alot of cpu power)
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> log in and "echo $DISPLAY" from an xterm
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| 14:26 | if it's "localhost:NN" then it's still using the ssh tunnel, if it's some ip address, then it should be working
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| 14:27 | <moldy> vagrantc: ok, then it is still using the ssh tunnel. but why...
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> moldy: linux distro and release?
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| 14:27 | <moldy> vagrantc: ubuntu 8.04
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| 14:27 | vagrantc: when i login on a local shell on the thinclient and look at /etc/lts.conf, i see that it contains LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> did you modify lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/lts.conf ?
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| 14:28 | hmmm...
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| 14:28 | <moldy> vagrantc: no, i used the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> how did you enable a local shell?
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| 14:28 | <moldy> vagrantc: using that SCREEN_01=shell in that very same config file
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 14:30 | <moldy> vagrantc: btw, in /var/lib/tftpboot, i only have a directory called "ltsp"
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| 14:30 | vagrantc: and in that directory, a directory i386 that seems to contain a /boot directory or similiar
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 14:31 | <moldy> i find the comments in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf irritating :)
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> blame ogra
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| 14:32 | <moldy> hehe
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> if you're doing things differently than recommended, i guess you can expect issues ... i'd try putting it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ... although if it's respecting SCREEN_01 then i don't see why that would work.
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| 14:33 | actually,if you put SCREEN_01=shell then ldm shouldn't even come up.
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| 14:33 | <moldy> hm. it does.
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> i also thought there would be something running on 01 ... but i'm not so familiar with ubuntu
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| 14:34 | <moldy> i get both ldm (on vt 7) and the shell (on vt 1)
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| 14:34 | <ogra> whats irritating ?
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| 14:35 | <moldy> ogra: that the comments say this file is deprecated, but the preferred file does not exist
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| 14:36 | <ogra> doesnt it say you can create it if you like ?
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| 14:36 | * ogra thought he wrote something like that | |
| 14:36 | <moldy> now that you mention it... yep, it says something like that
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| 14:36 | <ogra> :)
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| 14:37 | <moldy> last time i tried the file did not work from there though... trying again
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| 14:37 | <ogra> it works from both locations ... but for the one inside the chroot you need to re-roll the image every time
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| 14:37 | and the one in the tftp root overrides the one in the chroot
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| 14:38 | <moldy> ok. back to my performance problems: on the web, some people report that performance with hardy is worse than with previous ubuntu versions. are there any news on this?
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| 14:39 | i don't quite understand why flash performs so bad. according to top and iptraf, neither server cpu nor client cpu nor the network is at its limit
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| 14:40 | both server and client cpu show about 50% load, and iptraf iirc shows about 30mbit/s
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| 14:41 | <ogra> switch off HW acceleration in flash and see if that helps
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| 14:41 | (from the context menu)
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| 14:42 | <warren> are you watching youtube in flash?
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| 14:43 | <moldy> warren: yep.
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| 14:43 | <warren> youtube is pretty heavy in bandwidth usage unfortunately
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| 14:43 | <moldy> warren: it isn't the bandwith (the video works fine if played locally on the server)
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| 14:43 | not the internet bandwith i mean
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| 14:43 | it shouldn't be the local bandwith either, according to iptraf
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| 14:44 | <warren> you sure?
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| 14:44 | iptraf shows HUGE bandwidth usage for youtube here
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| 14:44 | * warren installs a new chroot and tests it | |
| 14:45 | <moldy> ogra: does not seem to make a big difference
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| 14:46 | warren: shows about 30-35 mbit here.
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| 14:46 | <warren> moldy: that's pretty heavy. only one client causing that much traffic?
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| 14:46 | <moldy> warren: yes
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| 14:47 | warren: but i have a 100mbit link to the test server that is not used by other machines at the moment
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| 14:47 | <warren> it is pretty apparent that thin client based youtube is unscalable
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| 14:47 | <moldy> according to the numbers, it should be fine for me
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| 14:47 | <warren> you can't have a classroom full of computers doing youtube
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| 14:47 | <warren> moldy: how fast is the thin client?
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| 14:47 | <moldy> in production, i will run 10 clients
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| 14:47 | each client gets a 100 mbit link to the server which uses a gigabit link
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| 14:48 | so according to the numbers, this should be fine even if all clients run youtube simultanously
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| 14:49 | <warren> youtube can use up an entire 2GHz core on my laptop
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| 14:49 | <moldy> hm, if cpu is the problem, why am i only seeing 40% cpu load?
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| 14:51 | the difference between what the monitoring tools report and what my eyes see is what i don't understand :-/
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| 14:56 | <moldy> hmmm, LDM_DIRECTX still does not seem to do anything
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| 14:56 | echo $DISPLAY: localhost:11.0
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| 15:01 | bbl...
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| 15:08 | <warren> wow.
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| 15:08 | hmm
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| 15:09 | youtube between my client and server was using between 77 and 98mbit/sec
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| 15:13 | <opensauce> hi all
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| 15:14 | I cannot find the ltsp-update-image command.....
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| 15:14 | what am I missing?
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| 15:15 | <delly84> ogra: i disabled ldap and now gdm partially starts ... i get an off white screen with a movable mouse
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 15:15 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 15:15 | <delly84> was that directed at me?
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| 15:16 | <opensauce> would installing ltsp-server automatically give me the update command?
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| 15:16 | <moldy> hi again
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> opensauce: which linux distro and release?
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| 15:16 | <opensauce> ubuntu 7.10
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| 15:16 | <moldy> did i miss anything related to my flash/LDM_DIRECTX problems? :)
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> opensauce: should be in the ltsp-server package.
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| 15:17 | opensauce: /usr/sbin/ltsp-update-image
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| 15:17 | moldy: we obsoleted youtube.
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| 15:17 | <moldy> vagrantc: ;p
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| 15:17 | <opensauce> i have ltsp-update-kernels ltsp-update-sshkeys but no ltsp-update-image
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| 15:17 | <moldy> it would be nice to at least *understand* why this performs so bad
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> moldy: other flash stuff works fine?
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| 15:18 | <moldy> vagrantc: havn't tried much other stuff yet, i suspect it will have the same problems as youtube
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| 15:18 | <delly84> Nubae: i am still having some issues with my fat client
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| 15:19 | <moldy> i just don't get *why* flash is so bad when cpus on both sided and the network only show about 50% usage
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| 15:19 | <Nubae> heh doesn't surprise me, its a hard beast to tame
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| 15:19 | <moldy> "sides"
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| 15:20 | <opensauce> mmmm.....just not there
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| 15:20 | <vlt> Anyone running Youtube with working sound?
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| 15:20 | <delly84> i believe you
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| 15:20 | <moldy> vlt: yes, this works here
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> opensauce: dpkg -S ltsp-update-image
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| 15:21 | <delly84> i disabled ldap, but i am still stuck at the same spot as yesterday
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| 15:21 | <vlt> hmmm ... maybe flash on amd64 is the problem here ...
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| 15:21 | <opensauce> nope package doesnt exist
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| 15:21 | <moldy> vlt: i think it is... i have seen some information about that on google. i am running 32-bit here.
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| 15:21 | <opensauce> my installation might be broken
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> opensauce: sounds very broken,yes.
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| 15:21 | <delly84> it runs the two RCFILE scripts (starting and stopping portmap and nfscommon) then it hangs on starting nfscommon again ...
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| 15:21 | <vlt> moldy: Ok, I'll search for it. Thanks
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| 15:21 | <opensauce> very frustrating!!
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| 15:22 | :(
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| 15:22 | ok gonna try fix
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| 15:22 | <delly84> in the screen 7, i get an off white background with a movable mouse
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| 15:22 | <opensauce> thanks for the help :)
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| 15:25 | <delly84> Nubae: then in screen 7 i get an "nbd0: Attempted send on closed socket" "end_request: I/O error, dev nbd0, sector [number keeps increasing]"
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| 15:27 | <moldy> rebooting this machine, bbl
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| 15:28 | <Nubae> delly84: I suggest u begin again using the --workstation plugin
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| 15:28 | and from that base customise with the -c flag enabled for nbd write access
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| 15:28 | <vlt> Hmmmm, what has changed with nbd server since LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06? I have SWAP_SERVER=192.168.1.128 and NBD_PORT=9572 (which was 3000 before). But swap is not activated on Ubuntu 8.04? What else do I need?
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| 15:29 | <Nubae> vlt: for one, 8.04 uses nbd on various sockets
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| 15:30 | <vlt> Nubae: There seems to run an inetd now invoking an nbdswapd process ... The port in inted.conf is 9572
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| 15:31 | <Nubae> right
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| 15:32 | <Nubae> there is also nbd being used instead of nfs to export the image
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| 15:32 | <vlt> There's another one listening on port 2000. That seems to be for the new nbd->squashfs thing, and that works.
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| 15:32 | <Nubae> right
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| 15:32 | <vlt> Erm, yes ;)
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| 15:33 | <Nubae> so what is the problem u are getting?
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| 15:33 | <vlt> Nubae: Swap is not activated. There are no log entries on the client that tell me what's the problem.
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| 15:35 | <Nubae> so youve looked at /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:35 | and u've checked /opt/ltsp/i386/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:35 | did u do an upgrade?
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| 15:36 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ - instaed of /opt....
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| 15:41 | <delly84> Nubae: what is the c flag?
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| 15:42 | is that a flag for ltsp-build-client?
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| 15:58 | <vlt> Nubae: /etc/inetd.conf looks fine (for me), lts.conf is fetched via tftp now (X_MODE... works, for example). It's a fresh install, not a direct update from 6.06. What do I need in pxelinux.cfg/default to activate nbd swap?
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| 16:03 | <opensauce> how would I setup thin clients logins without a password
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| 16:07 | <opensauce> am I correct in understanding that a ssh tunnel is created from thin client to server?
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> opensauce: typically,yes.
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| 16:08 | opensauce: i'm not sure if the autologin featuresare working on hardy.
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| 16:08 | <opensauce> ok......which means I can setup ssh keys for users logging in from thin clients?
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> i'm not sure if the patches to get ssh keys working are in hardy.
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| 16:10 | <opensauce> if I chroot my /opt/ltsp//i386/ dir and create a user - change to that users and create a ssh key - then copy the key to the servers .ssh dir of the user ??
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| 16:11 | do a ltsp-update-image ??
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| 16:11 | or am i completely off??
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| 16:11 | Im running gutsy
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| 16:14 | <opensauce> back again....
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> opensauce: i don't think it works in gutsy either.
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| 16:15 | <opensauce> what is the relationship between the client and server in /opt/ltsp/i386?
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| 16:15 | <opensauce> ummm....only on LTSP or ssh keys in general
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> the server serves the files in /opt/ltsp/i386 which the clients use as a root filesystem.
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| 16:16 | although with ubuntu, it makes a squashfs image out of the files in /opt/ltsp/i386 ...
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| 16:17 | opensauce: ssh keys work fine, but ldm didn't work with ssh keys until earlier this year.
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| 16:18 | <opensauce> ok so if I setup keys for a user in the "cleint" filesystem and copy them to the real filesystem.....then if the client uses ssh to login I should beable to login from the login screen of the client without a password
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| 16:19 | jees I hope that made sense
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| 16:20 | how would you suggest I setup passwordless logins from the client?
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> you need to generate a private/public keypair (doesn't really matter where), install the private key into the client filesystem (note that this is basically insecure), and copy the public key to the users's .ssh/authorized_keys file
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| 16:21 | <johnny> or.. you can use the password hardcoded
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| 16:21 | and setup autologin
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> but again, that's broken for most versions of ubuntu that i'm aware of.
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| 16:21 | <johnny> that's what i originally did
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> but i don't use ubuntu,so maybe i'm wrong.
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| 16:22 | pfft.
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| 16:23 | <opensauce> any ideas?
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> none of my ideas are fast enough, no.
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| 16:24 | <opensauce> mmmm....keep getting bounced
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> makes it hard to helpyou :P
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| 16:25 | <opensauce> yeah sorry......
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| 16:25 | * vagrantc was having connectivity troubles the other day | |
| 16:25 | <opensauce> have u ever setup LTSP clients to login without a password?
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| 16:26 | logging in with username only.....
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| 16:29 | <moldy> hi
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| 16:29 | where in lts.conf should XSERVER go?
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| 16:29 | in the "default" section or at the global level?
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| 16:30 | if i put it in default, my client fails to start x. if i put it at the global level, it works.
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> opensauce: ok, so the variables that you may find useful: LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true, LDM_USERNAME=someusername, LDM_PASSWORD=somepassword
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| 16:31 | global?
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| 16:31 | <moldy> vagrantc: global = not inside any section like [foo]
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| 16:32 | vagrantc: http://rafb.net/p/jcq1ky19.html
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| 16:33 | <moldy> oh wait, do i have to indent the stuff?
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| 16:35 | <jammcq> moldy: no such thing as 'global level' in lts.conf
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| 16:36 | all directives need to go in a session
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| 16:36 | err, "section"
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| 16:36 | did you have commas on your entries?
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| 16:36 | and indenting isn't important
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| 16:37 | <opensauce> thanks vagrant.....and those will be setup in lts.conf?
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| 16:37 | <moldy> jammcq: then i don't understand why the first thing in the nopaste works and the second one does not
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> opensauce: yes.
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| 16:38 | <moldy> jammcq: http://rafb.net/p/jcq1ky19.html
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> opensauce: work fine on recent versions of ldm for debian.
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| 16:38 | <jammcq> it shouldn't. that would be a syntax error
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> moldy: it's probably using autodetection
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| 16:39 | moldy: i.e. you get a parse error and nothing gets set, and it defaults to autodetection
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| 16:39 | <moldy> vagrantc: hmmm.
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| 16:39 | <jammcq> yeah, and lines 5-7 aren't a syntax error, but for some reason, 'via' doesn't work for your thin clients
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| 16:39 | <moldy> i will test this in a few minutes... currently rebuilding the image
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| 16:39 | <opensauce> cool....thanks for that will try
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| 16:40 | * vagrantc wonders what moldy's aversion to using lts.conf in the tftp location is | |
| 16:40 | <moldy> vagrantc: non anymore, i am using the other location now :)
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| 16:40 | i started the rebuild for another reason
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 16:40 | <moldy> lsmod on the client shows "viaagp", that is why i thought it was using the via driver?
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| 16:41 | also, when i substitute one via driver for the other (proprietary/oss), i get a slightly different display on the client
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| 16:42 | i will retry with [default] xserver=vesa to make sure the config file is parsed correctly
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| 16:46 | hm. i don't get it.
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| 16:46 | http://rafb.net/p/pLhqMD41.html this is my lts.conf
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| 16:47 | according to echo $DISPLAY, it is still using ssh
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| 16:47 | why?
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| 16:47 | <jammcq> umm
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| 16:48 | is it supposed to be 'Y' or 'True', or doesn't it matter?
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| 16:51 | <moldy> according to what i googled up, it should not matter
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| 16:51 | unfortunately, the option is not documented, as far as i see
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| 16:51 | the funny thing is: on another client, i am seeing the ip in $DISPLAY!
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| 16:51 | but not on this one
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| 16:52 | <jammcq> and you've rebooted the client?
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| 16:53 | <moldy> 2000 times ;)
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| 16:53 | <jammcq> wow, you are fast
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| 16:54 | <ogra> fr noew options in lts.conf you need to reboot at least 2009 times
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| 16:54 | <moldy> hehe
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| 16:54 | <ogra> forgot to document that, sorry
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| 16:54 | <moldy> i guess i am getting tired and making stupid mistakes :(
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| 16:54 | <ogra> red nich von muede :)
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| 16:55 | <moldy> ogra: hehe ich hab vielleicht sogar weniger geschlafen als du ;) bin gerade umgezogen, direkt neben die autobahn, biorhythmus faehrt achterbahn ;)
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| 16:55 | <ogra> jammcq, y,Y,true,True
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| 16:55 | all work
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| 16:57 | <ogra> moldy, ich hab heut ne kundendeadline (die ich nich eingehlaten hab) gehabt .... seit zwei tagen auf den beinen, jeweils 3h nickerchen gemacht .... und in 5min noch n meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
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| 16:57 | <moldy> ogra: ugh :)
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| 16:57 | <ogra> naja. solce tage gipps :)
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| 16:57 | <moldy> jo, kenn das :)
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| 16:57 | <ogra> lass mal bei englisch bleben :)
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| 16:58 | <moldy> ich hab so ca 5h geschlafen, allerdings schon seit ca 1 woche jeden tag nur soviel
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| 16:58 | right, ok. sorry :)
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| 16:58 | <ogra> so you use your lts.conf from tftp now ?
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| 16:58 | <moldy> yep
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| 16:58 | ok, now $DISPLAY is showing me an ip
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| 16:58 | <ogra> ah, yay
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| 16:59 | <moldy> i think the problem was that i confused the driver names again
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| 16:59 | (via vs openchrome)
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| 16:59 | <ogra> ah, yeah
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| 16:59 | via sucks
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| 16:59 | <moldy> and then i hid that fuckup by doing syntax errors in lts.conf :)
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| 16:59 | <ogra> buy intel
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| 17:00 | <moldy> hm. are there any good ltsp clients with intel graphics for about 200-250 euros?
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| 17:00 | <ogra> no, but there likely will be ...
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| 17:00 | i.e. the new "nettop" generation
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| 17:00 | they will be around €300 *with* disks
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| 17:01 | so if you can get them without that should match a proper thn client price
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| 17:01 | <moldy> hm. unfortunately, i need to make a decision within the next few weeks
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| 17:01 | we thought about building our own clients though
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| 17:01 | <ogra> thats an option as well
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| 17:01 | <moldy> i.e. buy a case, a micro-itx board and an intel atom
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| 17:01 | right now i am testing this device: http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=4;GROUP=EG43;GROUPID=813;ARTICLE=77994;START=0;SORT=artnr;OFFSET=16;SID=15amikD9S4AQ8AAESSuR09c05650c0a732359689219884b986f82
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| 17:02 | sorry for the long url, that website sucks :)
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| 17:02 | <ogra> yeah
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| 17:02 | * ogra knows reichelt | |
| 17:02 | <ogra> but the price is ok
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| 17:02 | http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/models.html are quite ok ...
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| 17:03 | <ogra> and disklessworksations.com indeed
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| 17:03 | <moldy> now that the client is actually *using* the openchrome driver, the youtube performance is almost ok
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| 17:03 | <ogra> even though they dropped all devices i liked there :(
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| 17:03 | <moldy> i tried to get a device from them, but i was not able to order one
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| 17:03 | <ogra> them ?
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| 17:04 | <moldy> s/device/price
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| 17:04 | <ogra> dw.c ?
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| 17:04 | <moldy> artecgroup
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| 17:04 | <ogra> ah,
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| 17:04 | <moldy> but from dw.com too, yes
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| 17:04 | i think it even was you who i emailed :)
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| 17:04 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, is the artecgroup guy in here
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| 17:05 | http://artecgroup.myshopify.com/collections/terminal-clients
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| 17:05 | <Q-FUNK> ?
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| 17:05 | <ogra> prices
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| 17:05 | <moldy> ahh, it was him, right, sorry.
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| 17:05 | Q-FUNK: hi :)
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| 17:05 | <Q-FUNK> hi :)
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| 17:06 | <moldy> we had an e-mail conversation once that was somehow dropped
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| 17:06 | <Q-FUNK> ah yes
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| 17:07 | <aidy> the boot process hangs after 'starting bluetooth utilities' - i think i accidentally uninstalled ltsp-client, but i reinstalled it afterwards
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| 17:08 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: the ltsp term 1225 for $294.95, how much does it approximately cost in euro?
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| 17:08 | <aidy> moldy: multiply by 0.6
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| 17:09 | <moldy> aidy: i calculated the price according to the official exchange rate already ;)
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| 17:09 | <aidy> how much is it :D
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| 17:09 | <moldy> aidy: 187,3295
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| 17:09 | <aidy> that's a bit more
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| 17:09 | <moldy> i am asking because the conditions might vary for european customers
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| 17:09 | <aidy> but still close
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| 17:10 | <moldy> yes, because it is not 0.6. it is 0,6351 :p
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| 17:10 | if i can get a terminal and shipping for about 200 euros, i will be able to buy it
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| 17:11 | <moldy> otherwise i will have to buy from reichelt ;)
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| 17:13 | <Q-FUNK> moldy: 1225 is not from artec
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| 17:15 | <moldy> ah, now i confused the vendors. sorry.
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| 17:15 | i guess i should go to bed ;)
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| 17:17 | Q-FUNK: what graphics card does the dbe62 feature?
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| 17:17 | <Q-FUNK> it's a geode. it has built-in graphics
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| 17:18 | <moldy> ah
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| 17:18 | hm, i would have to test its flash performance, or get a reliable test report from someone else
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| 17:19 | with the gigabyte machine and the openchrome drivers, youtube runs 90% fluid now
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| 17:56 | <lejo_> oh found a small error in my patch ;)
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| 18:14 | <opensauce> hi im back
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| 18:14 | :)
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| 18:15 | still cannot get a user from my thin client to logon to my server without a password
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| 18:15 | have tried ssh-keys
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| 18:15 | have tried pam.d auth
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| 18:15 | have tried ldm settings in lts.conf
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| 18:15 | no luck.....
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| 18:15 | any suggestiosn
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> opensauce: switch to a version of that supports what you're trying to do? :P
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| 18:21 | opensauce: the version in ubuntu intrepid (not yet released) should support it.
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| 18:21 | you can *probably* use ldm from intrepid on a hardy system.
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| 18:23 | <opensauce> ok....the fight goes on....
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| 18:23 | thanks
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| 18:24 | <ogra> vagrantc, hardys supports it
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| 18:24 | definately
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| 18:24 | <vagrantc> oh,ok. then just switch to hardy.
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| 18:25 | <ogra> the only thing missing in hardy vs intrepid is the gettext stuff and everything after you added the translations (one or two patches)
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| 18:25 | and if i find the time i'll backport the gettext patch and translations for 8.04.2
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| 18:25 | <opensauce> ok...so what method would u use in hardy?
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> ah, right.you basically grabbed from bzr right after those features got in
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| 18:26 | <ogra> i tested the one vagrant gave you before
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| 18:26 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN,_USERNAME,_PASSWDORD
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| 18:26 | in lts.conf
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| 18:27 | but the ssh keys should work too ... though i dont have personal evindence here
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> i tested them when i applied the patches in late january
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| 18:27 | <opensauce> ok...ldm
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| 18:28 | will ldm allow individual login?
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| 18:28 | not autologin.....
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| 18:28 | <ogra> sure
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| 18:28 | thats its default uscase :)
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| 18:28 | * vagrantc doesn't really understand the question | |
| 18:28 | <vagrantc> opensauce: you want optional autologin?
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| 18:29 | <opensauce> :)
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> er, passwordless login?
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| 18:29 | <opensauce> yeah passwordless logins for only certain multiple clients
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| 18:29 | or users rather
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> opensauce: LDM_GUESTLOGIN=true instead of LDM_AUTOLOGIN should display a button to log in
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| 18:30 | otherwise it behaves the same as autologin
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| 18:30 | <ogra> that will become a huge lts.conf :)
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> opensauce: or you mean some thin clients autologin, and some require user and password specified?
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| 18:30 | <opensauce> would I state each user in the lts.conf?
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| 18:31 | yes....
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> well, you can use LDM_GUESTLOGIN or LDM_AUTOLOGIN without specifying LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD if the thin clients get unique hostnames...
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| 18:32 | <opensauce> mmm.....hostnames?
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| 18:32 | <vagrantc> LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD defaults to the hostname if not specified
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| 18:32 | <opensauce> hostname......in the hosts file?
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| 18:32 | <vagrantc> in DNS
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| 18:34 | opensauce: here's my recommendation: install hardy, build your ltsp environment, set LDM_GUESTLOGIN=true and see what happens.
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| 18:34 | * ogra wonders why we didnt default to IP like we do *everywhere* else | |
| 18:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: ip for a username?
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| 18:34 | <ogra> well
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| 18:34 | <opensauce> ok will try that
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| 18:35 | <ogra> imagine you have 200 clients in a school ... i wouldnt want to see a teacher maintain that ....
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| 18:35 | ... and forget the dot at the end of the domain entry or something trivial
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| 18:35 | DNS is so easy to f*ck up for the illiterate user
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, it would be trivial to set up a one-line entry in DNS to autogenerate hostnames based on ip address
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| 18:36 | or use dnsmasq and /etc/hosts ...
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| 18:36 | <opensauce> couldnt you just map ips with hostnames in the hos file?
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| 18:36 | <ogra> well, we managed to avoid it the last three yeras
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| 18:37 | <opensauce> host
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| 18:37 | <ogra> i dont see a reason to rely on DNS now ...
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: because some of us have been unhappy avoiding DNS all these years? :P
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| 18:37 | <ogra> it needs to work as optional feature indeed
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> it would also be easy to add a script that sets the hostname based on ip address
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| 18:38 | <ogra> but i'm very hapy that we dont pull in bind9 or something like that in the default install
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> barring any other settings
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| 18:39 | <ogra> yeah, thats rather my taste (but you knew that :) )
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| 18:39 | <opensauce> LDM_GUESTLOGIN will allow which uisers to log in?
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| 18:39 | I know the obvious answer is guest....but...
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> opensauce: it will attempt to log in with the hostname of the thin client as the user and password.
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| 18:41 | opensauce: the server needs to be configured to allow those user/password combinations additionally.
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| 18:41 | opensauce: or to use ssh keys, and set up those users to accept that ssh key
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| 18:42 | (then the password is essentially un-used)
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| 18:42 | <opensauce> will it still prompt for a username?
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> it will prompt for a username, and display a "Guest Login" button.
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| 18:42 | if you select that button, then the above will apply
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| 18:43 | if you fill in a username, it will use that username
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| 18:44 | <opensauce> can u have unique guests?
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> opensauce: yes, please re-read what it says above.
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| 18:45 | opensauce: optionally, you can specify LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD for each thin client in lts.conf
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| 18:46 | <opensauce> mmmm...I really appreciate your suggestions....I need to see this in action to fully understand......
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> yes, please set it up before asking more questions :P
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| 18:46 | <opensauce> :)
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| 18:46 | cool
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