IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 January 2020 (all times are UTC)
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| 14:30 | <not_a_thinclient> I'm planning on setting up LTSP for a Wyse SX0 thin client. It has a 300mhz CPU, same with 32MB of internal flash storage. The RAM is 128MB, but I probably could max it out to 512MB with some soldering.
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| 14:33 | <meo> I dont think that'd work well on ltsp19
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| 14:34 | in my use profile the clients need at least 4Gb RAM, and often 8
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| 14:34 | <not_a_thinclient> Wait. Is this a channel for the terminal server?
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| 14:34 | or another app?
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| 14:34 | <meo> this is
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| 14:34 | but there are two LTSPs
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| 14:34 | <not_a_thinclient> I'm going to do mine on Debian 10.
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| 14:34 | <meo> LTSP 5 is the old one, it's no longer maintained
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| 14:35 | LTSP 19 is the new one, it's a hybrid fat client with no [current] support for network swap
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| 14:35 | LTSP 5 had support for display-only thin clients
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| 14:35 | this is gone in LTSP 19
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| 14:35 | <not_a_thinclient> Huh, Debian 10 says LTSP 5 is current.
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| 14:35 | I checked its changelog.
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| 14:36 | <meo> well it is current in the sense that it's the latest but it isn't maintained anymore
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| 14:36 | you can still use it
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| 14:36 | but there won't be further development
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| 14:37 | <not_a_thinclient> Did the Debian package maintainer stop updating it for Debian?
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| 14:38 | That would explain why it would didn't work with the NVIDIA driver and such.
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| 14:38 | <meo> I havent looked at ltsp5 packaging
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| 14:38 | but it hasnt been updated for several years in the upstream
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| 14:38 | <not_a_thinclient> I'll compile it then :(
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| 14:38 | <meo> so I won't be surprised
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| 14:38 | new ltsp is in PPAs
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| 14:38 | <not_a_thinclient> The website is different from when I last looked at it.
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| 14:39 | <meo> because the old project is dead, and the website is for the new project
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| 14:39 | <not_a_thinclient> TSP has been redesigned and rewritten from scratch in 2019 by alkisg
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| 14:39 | Weird.
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| 14:39 | I didn't touch this since a year
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| 14:39 | Is it the same as before?
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| 14:39 | <meo> no, it's a from-scratch codebase, designed on a different principle
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| 14:40 | tl;dr all clients are diskless fat clients now
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| 14:40 | <not_a_thinclient> Why was it redesigned? Fat clients... that sucks.
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| 14:40 | What happened to thin clients? Did they somehow gain some more RAM and storage? What about people with really old thin clients?
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| 14:40 | <meo> you can still use ltsp5 for those
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| 14:41 | but there's no one to help you with it
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| 14:41 | the other problem is that modern distros are switching from xorg to wayland which basically means no remote app execution w/o hacks
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| 14:41 | <not_a_thinclient> They ruined it. The whole original point was for all clients. This is racism against thin clients. Thin client genocide. Debian still uses Xorg.
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| 14:42 | <not_a_thinclient> I've always preferred Xorg anyways.
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| 14:42 | <meo> sure, I'd rather have remote app execution too
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| 14:43 | but that's a bitch in modern OSes
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| 14:44 | <not_a_thinclient> UEFI... yuck. I bet the devs are getting paid by Intel to convince users to switch to UEFI, so Intel can secretly extract data with Intel ME.
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| 14:44 | LTSP now doesn't natively support thin clients. The fuck? You're kidding me.
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| 14:46 | The classic and more cultivating site: http://web.archive.org/web/20190109002553/http://www.ltsp.org/
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| 14:47 | They changed the wiki... no, no, no.
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| 14:47 | Wait they didn't
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| 14:49 | AD and other stuff were killed off in the new release?
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| 14:51 | Look on r/sysadmin. It's ruined. Absolute bullshit claim of thin clients. It's just downloading the images and running them; liars.
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| 14:52 | https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/eep1ar/ltsp_but_with_web_clients/
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| 14:55 | <meo> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/d93h3q/psa_linux_terminal_server_project_is_no_longer/
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| 14:55 | <not_a_thinclient> Don't care. It's dead for any useful scenario.
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| 14:56 | <meo> okay then
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| 14:56 | <not_a_thinclient> Here's the correct and official site URL: <http://web.archive.org/web/2016/ltsp.org>
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> not_a_thinclient: xorg stopped caring about remote desktop many years ago; we ltsp developers had to accept that and move on
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| 14:57 | Now you can use remote desktop, instead of remote xorg
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| 14:57 | It's about the same thing, except that it's still maintained
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| 14:57 | <not_a_thinclient> Why don't they hack it on?
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> I.e. x2go, xfreerdp replaced XDMCP
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| 14:58 | Xorg developers work on wayland now
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| 14:58 | Wayland by design isn't network-aware
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| 14:58 | <not_a_thinclient> I'll fork it once I learn its programming language in the future.
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> That's not a problem; remote desktop is fine
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| 14:58 | You'll fork xorg?
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| 14:58 | <not_a_thinclient> I only know PHP :(
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> It will require hundreds of developers, you can't do it alone
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| 14:59 | <not_a_thinclient> Trick about of devs into joining an Xorg cult?
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| 14:59 | *about = a bunch
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> I'm not really into conspiracy theories
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| 14:59 | If you care about rational talk though, I can help
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| 15:00 | You can read https://github.com/ltsp/community/issues/32 for a more detailed answer
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| 15:01 | Remember, you can still use xfreerdp and x2go with your clients and the new LTSP, you don't need to upgrade them
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| 15:01 | Debian edu also implements a thin client session for the new LTSP, it'll be ready for Bullseye
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| 15:02 | <not_a_thinclient> No.
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| 15:03 | Debian edu? Extra bloated. No
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> I'm not telling you to use debian edu
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| 15:04 | I'm telling you that they too faced this issue and chose to implement x2go or xfreerdp
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| 15:04 | As those are still maintained, while remote xorg isn't
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| 15:04 | Note that remote xorg is slower than remote desktop in many many cases
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| 15:04 | <not_a_thinclient> Find where the main Xorg devs live, then force them to continue it.
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| 15:05 | I mean I would shoot up their house.
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> No, better yet, find where you live, and force you to pay a billion dollars to continue
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| 15:05 | And shoot your cat too
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| 15:05 | Now please move on, this is not a channel for such discussions
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| 15:05 | If you ever need technical support, come again
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| 15:06 | Hiding behind anonymity and yelling isn't cool
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| 15:06 | <not_a_thinclient> It's called black VPN magic
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> If you want to contribute to open source, then come join one of the teams and do the work
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| 15:06 | I do not care about trolls
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| 15:06 | At the time I understand that someone just wants to troll, I leave
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| 15:06 | Chees
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| 15:06 | <not_a_thinclient> I would probably remove every () in the source code for fun
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> *cheers
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| 15:06 | <not_a_thinclient> Then fork and change gcc to accept it.
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> I only replied because I thought you were serious
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| 15:07 | <not_a_thinclient> so that the devs will be confused when the testing build servers work fine
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Oh wait I can just kick you, let me see how this is done...
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Fortunately we don't have trolls here often, maybe once per 5 years
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| 15:14 | <not_a_thinclient> Hi.
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| 15:15 | I love bloat.
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| 15:15 | I use GNOME, KDE, WinBlows. It's so fast.
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| 15:15 | <not_a_thinclient> It uses 30GB of RAM out of my 32GB.
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| 15:15 | I actually use i3-gaps and Debian.
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> (05:07:35 PM) alkisg: Fortunately we don't have trolls here often, maybe once per 5 years
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| 15:23 | OK go on, spam, fill your day since you don't have useful things to do, then leave and let us poor open source developers get some work done
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| 15:24 | not_a_thinclient is now known as GOYIM | |
| 15:25 | <GOYIM> ZOG is bad.
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| 15:25 | If you're unaware, Brenton Tarrant is the meme god who managed to remove 49 kebabs from our dystopian world. I recommend building a gun (an automatic is advised) and hitting up the local mosque or Jewish church (utter brainwashing; pls shekels). Don't worry, but it is completely normal to think about killing kebabs/Jews. The white race is extremely important, but it's getting
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| 15:25 | wiped out by refugees who expect everything to be f u c k l i n g free.
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| 15:25 | Before hitler was leader, the Jews declared war against Germany in the 1930s, which upset a lot of people, including Hitler, so he wanted to correct that. He recruited Jews (non-communist ones), whites, etc,. to fight against the Jews. When the allies started to bo
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| 15:25 | b Germany, they were unable to feed the captured communist leaders (most were Jews), so they started to starve. When the Americans arrived at one of the camps, they just-so-happened to burn the papers explaining the above. Ask a Germany solder from back then and they'll tell you that you're delusional for believing in the holocaust.
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| 15:25 | Please stay away from mainstream media
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| 15:25 | , etc. I don't need help, I'm just dropping facts. You should escape the city and become self-reliant. Close and delete all online accounts, except email (or move to a secure and trusted one outsite of the five eyes).
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| 15:25 | The war in the 1930s is true - see the newspaper https://blog.kareldonk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/judea-declares-war.jpg
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| 15:25 | Fresh redpills.
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| 15:25 | GOYIM is now known as COONS | |
| 15:25 | COONS is now known as MOONMAN | |
| 15:25 | ChanServ sets mode: +o alkisg | |
| 15:25 | MOONMAN is now known as GoyIm | |
| 15:26 | <GoyIm> Bye, bye!
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| 15:27 | alkisg sets mode: +b *!*@118.127.3.115 | |
| 15:27 | <alkisg> I think this should do it... let's ssee
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| 15:27 | *see
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| 15:27 | ChanServ sets mode: -o alkisg | |
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| 15:29 | <plssh2ekel> Hi
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| 15:29 | ChanServ sets mode: +o alkisg | |
| 15:29 | <plssh2ekel> I've being having some issues with LTSP v19.
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| 15:29 | It keeps hanging after loading the kernel.
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| 15:29 | It gets stuck on a kernel panic.
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| 15:31 | Doom 1 crashes on my fat client (Core 2 Quad).
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| 15:31 | <plssh2ekel> I'm running Arch.
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| 19:04 | <quinox> I should spend some time get LTSP19 up and running one of these days
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> it's ltsp20 now :P
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| 20:28 | <quinox> last commit is from 2019-12-24 :P
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