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Channel log from 24 February 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:35 | <_Shane> johhny: I have a few thoughts on reducing the number of modules loaded from the initrd on Gentoo. Is there anywhere I can send some modified files for your thoughts?
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| 01:43 | <johnny> _Shane, what exactly did you modif y?
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| 01:44 | <_Shane> I've made changes to profile.qs, 000-basic-configuration and 010-bootstrap
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| 01:47 | <johnny> put a diff on the pastebot
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| 01:47 | !pastebot
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| 01:47 | <ltspbot> johnny: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 01:48 | <ltsppbot> "_shane" pasted "000-basic-configuration diff" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/262
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| 01:49 | <johnny> nics.. we can do better than that..
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| 01:49 | i was trying to avoid that
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| 01:49 | <ltsppbot> "_shane" pasted "010-bootstrap diff" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/263
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| 01:49 | <johnny> the best thing to do.. is to actually fix genkernel :)
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| 01:50 | <ltsppbot> "_shane" pasted "profile.qs diff" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/264
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| 01:50 | <johnny> genkernel is the real problem imo.. seems like that loading of modules is what really kills the boot time
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| 01:51 | _Shane, i'm trying to get a patch in
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| 01:51 | <_Shane> The only way I can see of reducing the number of modules loaded is to make changes to ${chroot}/usr/share/genkernel/${arch}/modules_load.
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| 01:51 | <johnny> that will at the very least allow you to use your own custom modules
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| 01:51 | modules_load file
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| 01:51 | i really really don't want to modify genkernel source
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| 01:52 | _Shane, some good stuff is getting into genkernel git.. perhaps the patch from robbat2 will be merged
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| 01:52 | then we won't need any hacks
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| 01:53 | i need to look again
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| 01:55 | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186652
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| 01:55 | i still think it would do better as a command..
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| 02:08 | <_Shane> johnny: I assume the solution would involve the ebuild providing a default set of modules to genkernel that the individual sites would then have to edit or have a means of passing to ltsp-build-client the modules they want included in the initrd.
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| 02:11 | Also, genkernel aside, is there any chance of getting the JOBS variable change in 000-basic-configuration put through?
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| 02:18 | <johnny> i thought i did it with MAKEOPTS now
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| 02:18 | guess not..
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| 02:18 | but that's my suggestion
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| 02:18 | i'll try to commit it later.. it's 3am and i must sleep
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| 02:19 | but come back later if you're interested in helping
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| 02:19 | it'd be nice if we could get the genkernel maintainers to help
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| 02:20 | get udev helping out or somethin
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| 05:24 | <pem725> Good morning - or afternoon - any tips on how to get 1440x900 resolution from intel 945G chipset?
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| 05:24 | can I run 915resolution with ltsp is actually my question
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| 05:25 | and how do I run it? from an xterm or from my local terminal <Ctl+Alt+F1>?
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| 05:42 | <knipwim> i'm a bit confused about the workings of the x-server
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| 05:42 | is it supposed to run on the server itself, or in the chroot environment of the client?
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| 07:36 | <jammcq> G'Morning #ltsp
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| 07:36 | <Appiah> \o
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| 08:13 | <Gadi> !s
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| 08:13 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:14 | <jammcq> something wrong with sbalneav's nick?
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> jammcq: nothing wrong - all too right
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| 08:30 | its present
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| 08:31 | :)
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| 08:31 | <jammcq> and how does that make you feel?
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> jammcq: quit psychoanalyzing me
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| 08:37 | :)
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| 08:38 | <jammcq> "psycho" analyzing
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:44 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!!!
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| 08:44 | Lemme go grab a cup of coffeee
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| 09:16 | <PerlStalker> Here's my fun. I had a working setup on Fri. I came in Mon and my client fails to boot with "nbd_server[12278]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" in my server's syslog.
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| 09:17 | Doing a TCP dump on the server, I can see the client hit the nbdroot server (on port 2001) in this case and start exchanging packets but then it stops.
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| 11:32 | <PerlStalker> Can anyone tell me what causes this: "nbd_server[12278]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
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| 11:38 | <Mip5> Hey Folks - I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 and have raid1 going for / (md0) and also swap (md1). I marked a drive as failed, then removed it from the array. When I rebooted, I got an ALERT! that md0 was missing, and it dropped me down to initrmfs Busy Box.
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| 11:39 | <johnny> you'll probably get better help elsewhere on questions thawt aren't so ltsp specific
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| 11:41 | <knipwim> do I set NBD_SWAP=N or NBD_SWAP=False in lts.conf ?
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| 11:41 | <johnny> either
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| 11:42 | or just don't set it to N or False..
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| 11:42 | or comment it out
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| 11:42 | <Mip5> Johnny - thanks - since this is an LTSP server I figured I'd give it a shot here. I've been hanging out in ubuntu for a while, and no one has picked up the thread.
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| 11:45 | <PerlStalker> I'd like to know why my LTSP server has stopped handing out nbd roots correctly
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| 12:41 | <Mip5> LNS - have you ever worked with mdadm and raid1 for the root partition?
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| 12:41 | * PerlStalker kicks LTSP. "Why won't you load up my gbdroot?" | |
| 12:42 | <PerlStalker> s/gbdroot/nbdroot/
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| 12:44 | <Lns> Mip5: not enough to be able to troubleshoot..have you looked in any other chans? Are there any raid chans on freenode?
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| 12:45 | <Mip5> Lns - I have been hanging out in ubuntu for a couple of hours, but no one has chimed in. I didn't see a channel called raid, but maybe there are others.
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| 12:46 | <Lns> Mip5: have you searched chan list?
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| 12:47 | <Mip5> Lns: Maybe I don't know how to do this. I just typed in raid as the channels were scrolling by after I connected to freenode, and didnt' see anything with that name. Is there another way to search?
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| 12:47 | <johnny> there is probably not a raid channel..
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| 12:47 | usually there are only project channels..
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| 12:48 | <johnny> Mip5, try a forum instead
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| 12:48 | <Lns> Mip5: is this the issue you were having yesterday re: marking a disk as failed?
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| 12:48 | to seed another server?
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| 12:48 | <Mip5> Lns: yes
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| 12:48 | <Lns> Mip5: what's the issue exactly?
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| 12:49 | <Mip5> Lns: I had an array of disks, and then added a 3rd that I intended to fail, and use a seed. I did that (following an article in LinuxJournal)
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| 12:50 | I wasn't able to get the seed to populate, though I think that issue is related to grub not being properly installed
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| 12:50 | <Lns> Mip5: did you rebuild the array in the new server with that disk successfully?
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| 12:51 | i.e. is it just an issue with booting it?
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| 12:51 | <Mip5> Lns: I'm not sure, though I think so on *that* machine
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| 12:52 | <Lns> ok so you have 2 raid arrays in 2 servers, right?
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| 12:52 | 1 in each
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| 12:52 | <Mip5> No - I have 2 raid arrays in *each* server. md0 for /, and md1 for swap
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| 12:53 | <Lns> Mip5: right but they are each a physical array, not two separate collections of disks in each
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| 12:53 | (partitions basically)
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| 12:54 | anyway
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| 12:54 | if you're sure you rebuilt the array in the second server by using the "failed" disk, you should just have to install grub and configure it for the raid failover stuff
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| 12:54 | there are tons of howtos for that
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| 12:54 | <Mip5> Sorry - I'm clear. /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1 make up md0 on server1, and /dev/sda5, /dev/sdb5 make up md1
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| 12:55 | on that same server
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| 12:55 | <Lns> Mip5: right.
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| 12:55 | <Mip5> Regarding server2 (that was seeded by the failed disk from server1)
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| 12:55 | <Lns> Mip5: have you seen http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.3 ?
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| 12:56 | <Mip5> I'll open it up and take a peek - brb
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| 12:56 | This looks good. I immediately see an error I made when trying to install grub on server2
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| 12:57 | Lns: Thanks for your help - I'll read up on it
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| 12:57 | <Lns> ;)
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| 12:57 | tldp.org is your friend
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| 12:58 | <Mip5> Yeah - I should remember that. Sometimes I jump to a howto in an article, without reading up enough. Bad habit....
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| 12:58 | <Lns> i think we're all guilty of doing that at one point or another
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| 13:00 | <Mip5> ;-) - I'll read up some more and let y'all know the results
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| 13:02 | <Lns> cool
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| 13:02 | good luck
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| 13:02 | <johnny> food.. i need some
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| 13:03 | Lns, i'm expecting your delivery soon
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| 13:03 | get to work on that :)
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| 13:05 | <Lns> johnny: my delivery?
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| 13:05 | <johnny> yeah.. food
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| 13:05 | <johnny> to my mouth
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| 13:05 | like right now
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| 13:06 | <Lns> johnny: sounds like you need http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/Things_I_Made/PizzaParty
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| 13:06 | johnny: i dont' think i want anything to do with your mouth =p
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| 13:06 | <johnny> lol
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| 13:06 | Lns, i don't live too far
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| 13:06 | lol
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| 13:08 | <sepski> no debug xterm in lenny
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| 13:09 | <Lns> johnny: i don't care if you are in the next suite from me. The only people i feed manually is myself and my 5 month old boy =p
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| 13:11 | <johnny> no.. i just want you to bring it here
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| 13:11 | that's all
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| 13:11 | sep, sure.. it's too old probably :)
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| 13:11 | jk :)
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| 13:11 | i don't know what version is in there tho
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| 13:12 | <Lns> johnny: i thought you owned an inet cafe?
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| 13:13 | don't you have food there? =p
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| 13:15 | <johnny> Lns, sure.. if i go there :)
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| 13:16 | <Lns> ha
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| 13:16 | lazy lazy
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| 13:16 | <johnny> it's a whole 7 blocks
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| 13:16 | gimme a break
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| 13:16 | hehe
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| 13:18 | <Lns> heh! free food man
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| 13:18 | nowhere is too far for free food
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| 13:18 | think harold & kumar
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> Gadi: i should be aable to run 2 independent ldap domain controllers on the same wire without conflict shouldnt i?
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> your client should only point to the one you want
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| 14:05 | it'll only conflict if your client points to both
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| 14:05 | or if you set one up to relay requests to the other or something
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| 14:07 | <cliebow> i found "a" client with cumputer accounts in both..i deleted it form one..see what happens..
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> well, i am totally perplexed. ldm 2.0.33 works fine, ldm 2.0.36 hangs on logout. the only code differences appear to be in ldm-dialog and X99-run-x-session was relocated to X95 ...
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| 14:09 | and a change to one of the plugins, that should only kick in with ltsp-cluster
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| 14:12 | i downgrade, it works fine. upgrade, it hangs...
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> vagrantc: any processes on the server when it hangs?
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| 14:18 | for that user
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> Gadi: dbus-daemon, dbus-launch ...
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| 14:22 | <Lns> vagrantc: I troubleshot hanging logouts on Hardy yesterday
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| 14:22 | ~1min. hangs
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> and when i log in with gnome, a few more ...
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| 14:22 | <Lns> dbus was spewing errors, i just restarted it and it seemed to fix it
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> Lns: this is more like 15+ minute hangs
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| 14:22 | <Lns> yikes
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> maybe 30+ minutes ... haven't really seen it timeout.
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| 14:22 | <Lns> stupid q, did you check syslog?
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> are you sure your package built correctly?
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| 14:23 | seems there were some dh changes, too
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it works in all other respects...
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| 14:24 | hangs on the "ssh -O exit" bit ...
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> hmm... we still do that?
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| 14:24 | :)
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> manually killing off all the running processes except for the sshd, bash and /bin/sh (presumably started by ldm)
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| 14:27 | still doesn't log out
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| 14:28 | i guess i could try dropping back to the previous debhelper rules ...
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| 14:30 | oh, actually, the debhelper changes were introduced in the last working version.
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| 14:31 | so the working version has those changes.
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| 14:47 | rebuild 2.0.33 against a current unstable environment, and it works fine.
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| 14:47 | rebuilt 2.0.36 against a lenny/stable environemtn, and it still breaks...
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> do you have LOGOUT=True in lts.conf
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| 14:52 | :P
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| 14:52 | by default, we don't let you logout anymore
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| 15:05 | <cliebow> Gadi: even with samba shut off on the new domain it affects login on the original..how the heck is that..a question for another day any way..thanks
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| 15:13 | * ogra falls over | |
| 15:13 | <ogra> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html
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| 15:14 | "The SheevaPlug Plug Computer is further equipped with 512MB of DRAM and 512MB of flash. The tiny embedded PC also includes gigabit Ethernet and USB 2.0 ports. "
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| 15:14 | "For those that do wish to build products on the platform, volume pricing could fall to $50, Marvell expects."
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| 15:15 | johnny, there you got your desired ARM device ^^^^
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| 15:15 | <Lns> ogra: slashdotted
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| 15:15 | <ogra> yeah, took me some attempts to get through
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| 15:15 | <johnny> ogra, laptop!
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| 15:15 | that's not one
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| 15:15 | <ogra> no
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| 15:15 | <johnny> but i did read an article on osnews about arm laptops
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| 15:15 | <ogra> a wall plg computer
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| 15:15 | *plug
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| 15:15 | <johnny> today
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| 15:15 | <ogra> with 512M 1.2GHz, gigbit ethernet
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| 15:22 | <Remaille> hi
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| 15:23 | <Remaille> Is it possible not to use ssh between clients and server ?
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> set LDM_DIRECTX=true in lts.conf
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| 15:34 | <Remaille> thanks vagrantc :)
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| 15:39 | <Lns> ah, the simple things =)
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> ok, so ldm 2.0.34 isn't affected by my hangs on logout bug...
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| 15:47 | that narrows it down a bit... and gives me something worth uploading
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> Lns, what does the "Φ" in your quit message stand for? (quit: "Φ").
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| 15:50 | (or is it an encoding problem? :P)
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| 15:50 | <Lns> alkisg: it's "phi"
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Yeah, I know that, but what does it mean for you?
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| 15:51 | <Lns> the golden ratio = 1.61803399
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| 15:51 | well, to me...it means everything. :)
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| 15:51 | to put it simply
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| 15:51 | don't probe me unless you want an in depth psuedo-philosophical conversation though. ;)
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Heh... no, I didn't know that you use Φ for the golden ratio :)
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| 15:52 | * Gadi always used gamma | |
| 15:52 | <alkisg> I'm fine with 20 years without mathematics :P
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> phi was reserved for SChroedinger's wave function
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| 15:53 | <Lns> alkisg: it's not as much about math, i'm no good at math..
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> thats lowercase gamma, mind you
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| 15:54 | * alkisg went to some mathematician olympics 20 years ago, but never bothered with them again... | |
| 15:54 | <Gadi> uppercase if Poisson's probability function
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| 15:54 | s/if/is
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| 15:54 | <Lns> Gadi: thanks for that mention, hadn't heard about Schroedinger
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> Lns: oh, its great for figuring out where your particles might be
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| 15:55 | <Lns> Gadi: =p
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> unless they tunneled into your other pants
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| 15:56 | <Lns> SChroedingerIsPants
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| 15:56 | * Lns doesn't even know what the "IsPants" thing is about | |
| 15:56 | <Gadi> lol
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| 15:57 | <Lns> I stumbled upon phi, the golden ratio, fibonacci sequence a few years ago...life changing stuff
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| 15:57 | philosophically anyway, for me
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> I liked the hitchhiker's guide to galaxy more (from a philosophical point of view) :)
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| 16:02 | "Word's largest linux deployment?" http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2824724304.html
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| 16:02 | I wonder what graphics cards they use...
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| 16:05 | <Lns> alkisg: never read that (was supposed to in high school though =p)
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Really, really phisolophical! And funny! :)
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| 16:06 | <Lns> There seems to be a very strong link between philosophical and humor..still trying to figure that out.. =)
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| 16:06 | philosophy*
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| 16:06 | or at least reality...but whatever =p i just farted
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| 16:14 | * ogra hopes Lns did that in a philosophcal way at least | |
| 16:15 | <ogra> like ... a hymn or something ...
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| 16:15 | <Lns> ogra: i did. Kinda like throat singing, but with my butt.
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| 16:15 | <ogra> yeah, that surely counts
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| 16:15 | <Lns> lol
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| 16:18 | <dewmon689> hi all
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| 16:20 | anyone around?
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| 16:23 | <ogra> we're all hiding behind the furniture waiting if you ask a question or go away again :P
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| 16:24 | (and no, "anyone around?" doesnt count as valid question here)
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| 16:24 | ;)
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| 16:26 | <dewmon689> haha ok, so anyone here use ltsp in an AD enviroment?
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| 16:26 | if so what's the best way to access user folders on another server?
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| 16:27 | * ogra doesnt use any MS products but would guess cifs | |
| 16:27 | <dewmon689> I'm using ubuntu 8.10 and can't get pam mount to properly work
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| 16:32 | <ogra> did you ask in #ubuntu-server ?
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| 16:32 | essentially you want pam mount work with ssh sessions, ask about that there
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| 16:32 | <dewmon689> I guess I'll check there
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| 16:32 | <ogra> *to work
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| 16:39 | <Remaille> dewmon689, mount -t cifs -o username=your_name server_name:///folder_name /target_dir
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| 16:39 | or something like that
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| 16:39 | but it is not permanent : put it in fstab
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| 16:41 | <dewmon689> your saying put that in the pam mount.conf file right?
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| 16:44 | <Remaille> oups didn't read all your question
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| 16:44 | just read "access user folders on another server"
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| 16:44 | :)
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| 16:45 | pam_mount seems a bit complicated for me...
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| 16:45 | <dewmon689> yeah I wish there was another way
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| 16:45 | <Remaille> btw if you have any hints or a good howto, I am interested !
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| 16:46 | <dewmon689> here's my setup... I've got 8.10 running as an ltsp server in an already developed AD
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| 16:46 | well I'm frustrated because they've changed it around in 8.10
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| 16:46 | I'm half way tempted to go back to 8.4
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| 16:47 | I'd like to have it so each user that logs in though gets there shares mounted for them
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| 16:47 | <Remaille> what are the differences that annoys you ?
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| 16:47 | <dewmon689> I can't even get pam mount to work in 8.10
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| 16:48 | they've changed
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| 16:48 | hold on, let me double check my file names
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| 16:48 | <Remaille> and i worked well in 8.4 ?
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| 16:49 | <dewmon689> they've changed the format of the files in pam.d
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| 16:50 | well at least for 8.4 they had decent documentation
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| 16:51 | <ogra> i think there is also a pam script module
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| 16:51 | you could probably do the mount call from it with Remaille's mount suggestion
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| 16:52 | <dewmon689> I've really been hoping to find someone who already has this setup in a school or something along those lines
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| 16:52 | because maybe pam mount isn't the answer at all
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| 16:52 | <ogra> he prob here is that ltsp operates through ssh ... which does privilege separation
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| 16:53 | so probably somethig like pam script with a proper mount call is cleverer than using pam mount (which needs to run with root rights afaik)
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| 16:54 | <dewmon689> well that is what pam mount did
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| 16:55 | <Remaille> dewmon689, your question is very important
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| 16:55 | <ogra> right, but pam mount tried to run as root, while ssh drops privileges to the user inbetween
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| 16:55 | <Remaille> and, me too, I am looking for an answer to suer ltsp at my school (with AD)
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| 16:55 | <ogra> so pam mount likely fails
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| 16:56 | <dewmon689> hmm...
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| 16:56 | <ogra> pam script runnng something like smbmount might work though
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| 16:57 | since smbmount only operates with user credentials
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| 16:58 | <dewmon689> I need to reporduce the error I'm getting
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| 17:01 | because it wants you to add a line into common-session
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| 17:03 | <Lns> dewmon689: are you talking about mounting the user home folders from an AD environment?
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| 17:03 | <dewmon689> yeah
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| 17:04 | <Remaille> or at least only mouting the folder from the AD server in /home/user/Desktop
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| 17:07 | <dewmon689> that's the idea
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| 17:07 | right now I have ltsp auth. through likewise
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| 17:08 | <Remaille> done that with a linux box
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| 17:08 | but not a ltsp server
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| 17:09 | <dewmon689> it works too.. any thin client can auth through the AD
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| 17:10 | <Remaille> out of the box ??
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| 17:10 | <dewmon689> yeah I'd say so
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| 17:11 | <Lns> hrm
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| 17:11 | * Lns remembers some writeup somewhere that did all of this automagically | |
| 17:11 | <dewmon689> I maybe tinkered with it for a few minutes but it works
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| 17:12 | but again, I"m almost wondering if I need to go back to 8.4 vs. 8.10
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| 17:19 | <dewmon689> well I'm going to run for now, feel free to email me
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| 17:20 | <Remaille> me too
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| 17:20 | see you
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| 18:37 | <Guest___> anybody have a good way to setup better X config defaults for clients?
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| 19:01 | <aglio2> sbalneav: around?
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| 20:10 | <kaos01> hi, seems users with tcsh cannot login via ldm
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| 20:10 | <Ryan52> that's a known bug.
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| 20:10 | <kaos01> seems it was reported like more than 4 months ago
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| 20:11 | <Ryan52> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490897
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| 20:11 | vagrantc tagged it wontfix.
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| 20:11 | <kaos01> ok
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| 20:11 | <Ryan52> so he won't be the one fixing it.
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| 20:12 | <kaos01> oh well i like bash better :)
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| 20:12 | <Ryan52> why do your users need to use tcsh? :P
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| 20:12 | heh
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| 20:12 | <kaos01> I guess they started with it years and years ago and stayed with it :)
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| 20:13 | is there a common place to look up lts bugs ?
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| 20:13 | <Ryan52> each bug tracker of each distro that has an ltsp implementation.
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| 20:14 | iirc the ltsp wiki has a page with links to all of them.
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| 20:14 | tho upstream sort of uses launchpad, it's only used for Ubuntu bugs.
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| 20:15 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDistroSupport
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| 20:15 | there it is.
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| 20:16 | <kaos01> i guess i shoudl have looked better in redhats bugzilla
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| 20:36 | <Guest__> how can i change the default gnome panel menus for new users?
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| 20:39 | ok
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| 20:40 | <Ryan52> w00t! 4 minute attention span!
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| 20:47 | <Guest__> back
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| 20:47 | could somebody please assist me ?
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| 20:48 | <Ryan52> Guest__: unrelated to ltsp.
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| 20:48 | Guest__: ask in your distro's channel.
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| 20:48 | <Guest__> its via k12linux though
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| 20:48 | which tells me to go here
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| 20:49 | <Ryan52> ask in #fedora
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| 20:49 | this is a Fedora thing.
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| 20:49 | not k12linux.
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| 20:50 | (assuming you still need help with the "default gnome panel menus for new users")
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| 20:50 | you never did ask a real question after you came back..
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| 20:51 | all that ltsp (including k12linux) does is connect you to the server.
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| 20:51 | from there it's just like any normal login, as if you are sitting at the server itself.
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| 20:55 | Guest__: hello?
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| 20:56 | <Guest__> hi
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| 22:48 | <Daemonik> I'm using LTSP 5 (Ubuntu 8.10), my thin-clients don't auto-mount CD-ROM drives USB sticks etc. Is there a package I need to install? I've been Goolging. What should I check for first?
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