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| 08:10 | * work_alkisg managed to unbrick his zatab tablet by pressing the Power + Home buttons... but he still can't make the touch screen work, with any ROM | |
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| 08:12 | <alkisg> stgraber: while trying to install http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/cm-10-20121016-UNOFFICIAL-zatab.zip I'm getting an assertion error that the product id isn't "zatab"... did you happen to install any custom ROMs or change the product id before sending the tablet to me?
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| 08:13 | * alkisg worked around that assertion by removing a line from the installer script inside the rom zip... | |
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| 13:59 | <stgraber> alkisg: no, but mine did the same thing with some of the cm images. I just removed the assertion line as you did :)
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| 14:01 | alkisg: the touchscreen only works with the original firmware. They have a dump of it on their website. It's one of the .img that you need to flash using LiveSuit from Windows.
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| 14:01 | alkisg: http://elinux.org/Hack_A10_devices explains how to do a full reflash of the internal storage
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> Thanks a lot stgraber, I was looking to get the touchscreen gt801_2plus1.ko module from similar devices (or compile it from http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/) but sounds like it isn't worth it... so I'll switch back to the original ROM, I just hope it'll somehow stop lagging so frequently (e.g. every 30 secs :-/)
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| 16:01 | <ogra-cb> alkisg, its a cortex-a8 CPU, dont expect much more
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> ogra-cb: with cyanogenmod v10 it was extremely fast and not lagging at all
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| 16:02 | ...but the touchscreen wasn't working... :(
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| 16:02 | <ogra-cb> for me the zarab is even hanging quite often with the original preinstalled image
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| 16:02 | *zatab
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> Right, that's the only one that is hanging
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| 16:02 | The newer cm10 doesn't hang
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| 16:02 | <ogra-cb> right, but ubuntu will
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> ogra-cb: do you mean that if I install http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/ubuntu-desktop-12.04-1-miniand.com.img.tar.gz, it will be hanging frequently?
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| 16:04 | <ogra-cb> well, thats the nature of this HW, its a single core CPU, if its busy with a heavy task it will make the other tasks wait
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> I'm talking about lag caused by bugs, not by slow CPU
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| 16:04 | <ogra-cb> its fine for an embedded OS like android
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> I've been using slow CPUs for ....20+ years now :-/
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| 16:05 | <ogra-cb> right, i'm talking about it ebing usable for edubuntyu
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| 16:05 | *being
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> E.g. edubuntu is usable on an intel atom,
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| 16:05 | <ogra-cb> that tablet is far from an atom
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> or even on a old celeron @ 1 GHz
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| 16:06 | We're also using lubuntu standalone installations on celerons @667 MHz/384 RAM
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| 16:06 | <ogra-cb> its is crappy, outdated and overpriced hardware
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> And I think they're also using lubuntu on the zatab image...
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| 16:06 | <ogra-cb> likely
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/IMG_20120925_171007.jpg
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| 16:06 | <ogra-cb> running ubuntu would likely make it fall over
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> So while it's true that the CPU isn't a powerhorse, I wasn't expecting all this lag (and I didn't get the lag on cm10)
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| 16:07 | <highvoltage> alkisg: current state of software/hardware is really tough indeed
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| 16:07 | <ogra-cb> it is about the quality of a beagleboard XM ... for which we dropped desktop support two releases ago, because the complaints became to much
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> So for the preinstalled cm9 I'm inclined to say that the extreme lag is caused by bugs, not by the low hardware specs...
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| 16:08 | <ogra-cb> oh, sure
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| 16:08 | if cm10 doesnt show that
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> Right
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| 16:09 | ogra-cb: could you have a look there, file gt801_2plus1.c ? http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/
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| 16:09 | I think that this is the driver for the touch screen
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| 16:09 | <highvoltage> alkisg: I've been pondering suggesting lxde as a replacement for gnome-fallback in edubuntu (since it's going away anyway), but as stgraber points out to me, the apps themselves are getting more and more GL aggressive too, but I think it's not just for performance reasons that I think we need a good alternative, many users need a really simple UI
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| 16:09 | <ogra-cb> alkisg, i didnt manage to ever get the touchscreen to work
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> And I wonder if it'll be worth it to learn how to compile it against the appropriate headers, so that we can make the touchscreen work on cm10
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| 16:10 | highvoltage: not all apps are getting GL aggressive
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| 16:10 | <ogra-cb> and i have not the slightest clue about android :)
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> Many many schools never use 3d apps
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| 16:10 | <highvoltage> alkisg: indeed, the important ones (like web browsers) are though. but I guess moving to local apps for everything will help for that
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> Thank you ogra-cb... I emailed zareason, I hope they'll at least reply...
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| 16:11 | highvoltage: which browser is requiring gl?
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| 16:11 | <highvoltage> alkisg: almost all of them are starting to render everything using GL.
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| 16:11 | <ogra-cb> alkisg, what i tried to do with my zatab was actually to try to get ubuntu images up, but i got stuck on various issues (and then the nexus7 came my way)
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| 16:12 | <highvoltage> alkisg: chromium, firefox, rekonq, gnome web...
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> ogra-cb: they have a premade image there, 29-oct-2012... I might give it a try
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| 16:12 | <highvoltage> alkisg: it will make running them remotely really tough on server CPU
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> http://news.techworld.com/applications/3257095/firefox-4-beta-ditches-opengl-rendering-for-linux-users/
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| 16:13 | "We tried enabling OpenGL on Linux, and discovered that most Linux drivers are so disastrously buggy (think 'crash the X server at the drop of a hat, and paint incorrectly the rest of the time' buggy)
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| 16:13 | that we had to disable it for now," wrote Mozilla developer Boris Zbarsky Friday in a comment on the Mozilla Hacks developer blog. "Heck, we're even disabling WebGL for most Linux drivers, last I checked."
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| 16:17 | * alkisg thinks that drivers with proper gl support won't be available for the majority of linux users for at least the next 5 years... | |
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| 17:14 | <alkisg_web> highvoltage: btw, it's possible that the gnome-fallback session won't go "completely" away
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| 17:14 | They're trying to offer most of its functionality through plugins
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| 17:14 | So if someone picks up the panel and a few other bits, it might still be available for 14.04
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| 17:15 | If upstream gnome does offer something that works with 2D for 14.04, I'd prefer it over LXDE...
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| 17:16 | <highvoltage> alkisg_web: yep, gnome-shell with plugins can already provide a close-to-classic experience
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| 17:16 | alkisg_web: although it's unlikely that they'll release something that works only on 2D that doesn't rely on llvm or such
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| 17:16 | <alkisg_web> They're starting to (re)implement them in the upstream gnome tree
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| 17:17 | highvoltage: that's what they're talking about these days though
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| 17:17 | The thread I was reading started a week or so ago
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| 17:17 | <highvoltage> alkisg_web: I know, I follow gnome :)
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| 17:17 | <alkisg_web> OK... I surely hope that this 2d version won't rely on llvmpipe
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| 17:18 | If it does, /me will vote for lxde :)
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| 17:20 | stgraber: any clues on which of those is the zatab original ROM? http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/
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| 17:20 | Or is it somewhere else that my googling failed to find?
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| 17:20 | <highvoltage> alkisg_web: it's supposed to be implemented on gnome-shell, so in that case it will require gl
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| 17:26 | <alkisg_web> Haha livesuit rom flasher says "please back-up before upgrade, in order to lose data."
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| 17:26 | <highvoltage> heh
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| 17:30 | alkisg_web: I believe the mail you were refering to was this one: https://lwn.net/Articles/526082/
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| 17:44 | <alkisg_web> highvoltage: hmm that was the announement thread, but no, I think I was reading its continuation from some gnome-devel list where devs were talking about the implementation specifics
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| 17:45 | <highvoltage> alkisg_web: ok
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| 17:50 | <kev_j> would I set new thin-client users default desktop/menu options and config files through /etc/skel like normal?
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| 17:56 | <andygraybeal> you guys prolly already know this.. but they aren't getting rid of the old gnome interface! http://www.itworld.com/it-management/320354/gnome-traditional-linux-desktop-coming-back?page=0,1
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| 18:09 | <alkisg_web> stgraber: I managed to get the touchscreen working with livesuit + http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/cm-9-20120714-UNOFFICIAL-zatab.img
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| 18:10 | I'll try the ubuntu 12.04 image next :)
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| 18:25 | * gvy . o O ( un-brick my hard', say it boots here again ) | |
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| 18:35 | <gvy> andygraybeal, hope some sanity has hit their streets
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| 18:44 | <andygraybeal> gvy, the gnome guys?
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> stgraber, ogra-cb, highvoltage, mgariepy: just in case you ever need it, this ROM works fine: http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/9.7.7-13%20english.img
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| 20:40 | Burn it from Windows with http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/LiveSuitPack_version_1.07_2011026.exe
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| 20:42 | <highvoltage> which rom is that, alkisg?
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> highvoltage: it's very similar to the one that zatab came with, but it doesn't have the lags
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| 20:43 | <highvoltage> also 4.0.3?
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 20:43 | mw07-eng 4.0.3 20120914 test-keys
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