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| 11:43 | <ltspuser_69> HI
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| 11:43 | I need some help
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| 11:43 | I need to install nvidia drivers on the chroot
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| 11:43 | What I need to do?
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| 11:44 | the first obstacle is that I have different kernels on Ubuntu machine and on chroot that Ubuntu provides...
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| 11:44 | I don't know why
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| 11:45 | <Hyperbyte> ltspuser_69, ltsp-build-client builds a 32-bit kernel by default on most Ubuntu versions, because many thin clients don't support 64-bit
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| 11:46 | <ltspuser_69> and when I try to install nvidia-current package it says that I don't have the modules for that kernel in /lib(modules because the system is detecting kernel 3.2.0-26-generic-pae and on the chroot I have 3.2.0-32-generic
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| 11:46 | <Hyperbyte> If your clients do support 64-bit, you could rebuild the chroot by rm -rf'ing /opt/ltsp/i386/ and doing ltsp-build-client --arch=amd64 (if memory serves)
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| 11:47 | <ltspuser_69> The performance gets better?
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| 11:47 | <Hyperbyte> Are you using thin or fat clients?
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| 11:47 | <ltspuser_69> thin
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| 11:47 | <Hyperbyte> Then it probably won't matter much.
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| 11:48 | If you're using thin clients, I'd say it's better to use 32-bit, because you'll support a much wider range of clients, rather than just the ones with 64-bit capable CPU's.
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| 11:48 | <ltspuser_69> ok
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| 11:49 | <Hyperbyte> Thin clients run most of their stuff on the server anyways, so the performance boost 64-bit could give you, is neglible anyways.
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| 11:49 | <ltspuser_69> but What I need to do to install the nvidia drivers?
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| 11:50 | <Hyperbyte> Honestly, I have no idea. Someone else will though, hang around in here for a few hours. :)
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| 11:51 | What steps are you taking to install the drivers?
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| 11:53 | <ltspuser_69> I just install the nvidia-current
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| 11:53 | <Hyperbyte> Be specific
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| 11:53 | <ltspuser_69> but the difference of the kernel produces an error
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| 11:53 | <Hyperbyte> Which commands are you typing at the command line?
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| 11:54 | And pastebin the exact error, or even better, the whole terminal output (including the commands you ran)
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| 11:54 | !pastebin
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| 11:54 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 11:54 | <ltspuser_69> because I make a chroot to the filesystem but if I do a command uname -r it shows the kernel of Ubuntu
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| 11:55 | sorry but I don't have the error on this console...
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| 11:55 | but what's the procedure to install drivers on the chroot?
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| 11:57 | <muppis> It's little tricky, I think, get it working in 32 bit client to due the kernel name difference. You can try fool installer by making little uname bash script which always returns corrected name for kernel.
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| 11:59 | <ltspuser_69> yes :P
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| 12:00 | I will try
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| 12:00 | thank you
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| 12:07 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, that's actually pretty clever
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| 12:07 | Are you sure that works?
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| 12:09 | <muppis> Used to fool HP maintenance software. ;)
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| 12:10 | <Hyperbyte> Well, fooling HP is easy! ;-)
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| 12:10 | <muppis> At while ago those little things didn't understand 3.x kernels, jos had to made it them work that way.
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| 12:10 | s/jos/so/
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| 14:16 | <ltspuser_65> Hi
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| 14:16 | I have a question
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| 14:17 | if I in file /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf readonly= false
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| 14:18 | I can run a terminal and install some packages and this chages will be replicated to the chroot provided??
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| 14:24 | do I need to run some command to update the chroot image?
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| 14:29 | <||cw> i guess technically that would work, as long as there's only one client on the image
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| 14:30 | though, why not just chroot and install from the server?
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| 14:30 | then rebuild the image?
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| 14:30 | <ltspuser_65> because the chroot has a different kernel
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| 14:31 | and to install nvidia drivers I need to change uname and other things...
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| 14:31 | <ltspuser_65> it's easier if I do all the things on the terminal
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| 14:32 | But I didi everything and then when I reboot the terminal it gaves an error and the chroot didn't change
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| 14:32 | is there any command that I need to run?
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| 14:32 | like the ltsp-update-image but from the terminal side?
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| 14:41 | <||cw> ah. yeah those get tricky
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| 14:41 | I think there's some guides on installing and setting up an auto-config for nvidia and ati at the same time
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| 14:42 | assuming readonly= false does what it implies (I don't really now) then just doing it form the client should set it in the image.
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| 14:42 | but I don't think it's recomended to do that, since next time you ltsp-update-image it'll blow away your chages
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| 14:48 | <ltspuser_65> where are these guides to auto-config?
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| 14:53 | <||cw> !nvidia
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| 14:53 | <ltsp> Error: "nvidia" is not a valid command.
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| 14:53 | <||cw> :/
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| 14:53 | all I can find are ones that would only work on the same arch as the host
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| 15:26 | <ltspuser_65> thks anyway ;)
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| 16:19 | <markit> hi, a friend of mine is asking me about ltsp-build-client and the fact that wants to avoid Unity. I use kde so I don't know the answer
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| 16:19 | how can he create a fat chroot without Unity and with, AFAIR, gnome-fallback?
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| 17:16 | <lee> don't know, sorry, I only use the kiosk mode
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| 17:24 | <markit> lee: from KDE project?
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| 17:26 | <lee> huh?
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| 17:27 | no, the ltsp kiosk mode
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| 17:29 | couldn't you just create a fat chroot then install gnome?
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| 17:39 | <markit> lee: I think that he creates the chroot fat and finds unity there
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| 17:40 | <lee> yes... so uninstall it and install whatever you like
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| 18:40 | <ltspuser_44> Hi
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| 18:40 | I'm trying to install cups in a chroot and it won't start
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| 18:41 | I don«t undertand one thing... If I go to the directory /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/
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| 18:41 | the cups service exists
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| 18:41 | but after a run in a terminal...
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| 18:41 | the service do not exist
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| 18:42 | I need this service because I changed the Firefox to run locally on the terminal and If I want to print, or see a pdf or do something I need to have all those things on the terminal too right?
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| 18:42 | <||cw> did you run ltsp_update_image?
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| 18:45 | <ltspuser_44> yes
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| 18:45 | all the other things are on the image
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| 18:48 | I don't understand
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| 18:49 | <||cw> so ther file is there, but the service won't start?
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| 18:49 | <ltspuser_44> no
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| 18:50 | the file is on the server... but on the terminal doesn't appear
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| 18:50 | and the service don't start
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| 18:50 | <||cw> thenthe image isn't udpated. did you reboot the client?
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| 18:50 | <ltspuser_44> but can I put firefox running locally and using all the apps from the server?
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| 18:50 | yes
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| 18:51 | I have made many operations and all of them were successfull
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| 18:51 | but cups didn't work
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> some services get removed on boot.
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| 18:52 | cups may be one of them.
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| 18:52 | <ltspuser_44> do I need to add cups service on some startup file or something?
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> at least with recent versions of LTSP
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| 18:52 | <ltspuser_44> and how can I put cups booting?
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> i forgot how exactly...
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| 18:56 | you can add it to KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES in lts.conf, but i think there's a better way to do it.
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| 18:57 | ltspuser_44: what version of LTSP are you running? what distro and version?
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| 18:58 | <ltspuser_44> ii ltsp-server 5.3.7-0ubuntu2.2 Basic LTSP server environment ii ltsp-server-standalone 5.3.7-0ubuntu2.2 Complete LTSP server environment ii ltspfs 1.1-2 Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin clients ii ltspfsd 1.1-2
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: could you paste the output of ltsp-info to a pastebin?
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| 18:59 | !pastebin
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| 18:59 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 18:59 | <ltspuser_44> how can I add it on keep system services?
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| 19:00 | I downloaded the last one
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| 19:00 | I'm using ubuntu 12.04
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| 19:02 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: does /etc/cups exist on the thin client?
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| 19:03 | <ltspuser_44> yes
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| 19:03 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: and you're running firefox as a localapp?
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| 19:03 | <ltspuser_44> yes
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| 19:04 | how can I put cups in KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES?
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: does /etc/cups/client.conf exist?
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| 19:05 | <ltspuser_44> yes
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: does it point to your server?
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| 19:05 | this is on a booted thin client, yes?
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| 19:05 | <ltspuser_44> it points to the ldm server...
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: adding it to KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES isn't necessarily the right thing to do, but you'd add it to lts.conf
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| 19:06 | <ltspuser_44> yes
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: is cups configured on your ldm server?
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| 19:06 | <ltspuser_44> but how??
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| 19:06 | yes but I need to use it locally
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| 19:06 | right??
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| 19:06 | so the firefox have access to printers
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> you have a printer connected directly to the thin client?
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| 19:07 | it should be configured to use the server's cups instance
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| 19:07 | which it sounds like it is...
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| 19:07 | <ltspuser_44> no
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| 19:07 | I have network printers...
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> it's been a long time since i've mucked with local printing...
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| 19:08 | <ltspuser_44> I understand
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: so no printers show up in firefox?
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| 19:08 | <ltspuser_44> but you know the line to put in lts.conf
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| 19:08 | in keep_system_services
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| 19:08 | ?
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| 19:08 | no...
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_44: i'm trying to get it working the way it's suppose to work.
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| 19:08 | <ltspuser_44> if I run firefox on the server the printers appears
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| 19:08 | ok
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> i'm not *sure* that adding it to KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES is the right thing to do, but edit (or create) /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 19:09 | in the [default] section, add:
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| 19:09 | <ltspuser_44> yes
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| 19:09 | and add which line
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES="cups"
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| 19:09 | if that works, then i guess we're good.
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| 19:10 | <ltspuser_44> ok
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| 19:10 | I will try
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| 19:10 | thks ;)
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> you might need to configure your server to allow remote connections...
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| 19:11 | doh!
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