IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 August 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:57 | <jimjimovich2> Anyone have some tips on making usb scanners work? What worked in 10.04 doesn't seem to be working in 12.04. Did something change?
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| 06:02 | <muppis> How managed it in 10.04?
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| 06:02 | Never really made in LTSP enviroment, but usually used saned for it.
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| 06:03 | <jimjimovich2> for pure thin clients, it used sane over the network, or you could just launch simple-scan as a local app
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| 06:04 | alkisg: anything I should know about using Epoptes in an ltsp-pnp environment? Do I need to disable any services on the clients or anything like that?
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| 06:04 | <alkisg> jimjimovich2: no, it just works
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| 06:04 | <jimjimovich2> just sudo apt-get install epoptes epoptes-client
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| 06:04 | "no, it just works" ... that's what I like to hear :)
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| 06:07 | <alkisg> No need for epoptes-client, it gets pulled automatically
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| 06:09 | <jimjimovich2> I get "Connection with epoptes failed: An error occurred while connecting: 13: Permission denied." when trying to launch epoptes
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| 06:20 | <jimjimovich2> oh, got that figured out ... :)
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| 06:20 | now it's not detecting any of the clients
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| 06:28 | <alkisg1> jimjimovich2: did you run `ltsp-update-image -c /` after installing epoptes?
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| 06:28 | <jimjimovich2> alkisg1: yeah
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> And you rebooted the clients, I assume, right?
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| 06:29 | <jimjimovich2> yeah, it turns out i did have to install epoptes-client ... now everything works
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> Hmm why, do you have "recommends: off" configured in apt?
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| 06:30 | <jimjimovich2> I must say, this is pretty great! :)
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> If so, that can cause other problems...
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| 06:30 | <jimjimovich2> alkisg: I didn't configure apt, it's all just out of the box
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| 06:30 | do I need to turn something on?
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> $ apt-cache show epoptes | grep ^Recommends
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| 06:30 | Recommends: epoptes-client, xterm
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| 06:31 | This means that when one does `apt-get install epoptes`, then epoptes-client is automatically installed
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| 06:31 | And that's the default Ubuntu and Debian settings
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| 06:31 | <jimjimovich2> hmmm
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> So if it didn't work for you, you probably have a misconfiguration somewhere
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| 06:31 | <jimjimovich2> I'll keep an eye on that when we do the "for real" install
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| 07:09 | <jimjimovich2> Is there a good way to show the user when a flash drive is in use and when it can be safely removed?
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| 07:14 | <alkisg> Thins or fats?
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| 07:16 | <jimjimovich2> alkisg: on thin clients
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| 07:17 | <alkisg> ltspfsd does a `sync` every two seconds, so you just need to tell them to wait 2 seconds after writing something and before pulling the stick
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| 07:17 | <jimjimovich2> we had hacked together something from a blog post for 10.04
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| 07:17 | yeah, the problem is if they copy big files, sometimes they end up with a 0 byte file instead
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| 07:18 | <alkisg> Dunno about the details there, we're not using localdevs
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| 07:19 | <jimjimovich2> ok
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| 07:19 | alkisg: you using scanners? :)
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> They work automatically on fat clients...
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| 07:21 | <jimjimovich2> they used to work (almost) automatically on localapps too ...
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| 07:21 | I'll keep digging
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> Sorry we're not using localapps either :D
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| 07:21 | <jimjimovich2> what are you using?
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> Either plain thins or plain fats, we're trying to keep it simple for teachers as schools don't have local sysadmins
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| 07:22 | So we basically install ltsp-pnp and usually don't touch lts.conf at all
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| 07:23 | <jimjimovich2> wow, we hardly have a machine that doesn't require some sort of lts.conf changes
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| 07:26 | printers are apparently different in 12.04 too
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> Shouldn't be, why?
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| 07:27 | You can still use the PRINTER_DEVICE_xx lts.conf directives
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| 07:27 | <jimjimovich2> Using the lts.conf entries from 10.04, the clients fail to boot
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/996533
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| 07:27 | Known, fix committed but not released
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| 07:28 | You need to add 1 char to 1 file
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| 07:28 | <jimjimovich2> alkisg: what would we do without you?
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> Hehe, I only joined LTSP a few years ago, while it's a 12 year project :)
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| 07:29 | <jimjimovich2> yeah, but you're the one helping everyone in IRC :)
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> True, yeah I'm online to support teachers here and given the chance, I help wherever I can
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| 07:58 | <jimjimovich2> apparently users are no longer automatically added to the "scanner" group ... seems like adding them fixed the problem
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| 09:07 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Warren. :)
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| 09:14 | <knipwim> Fedora power!
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| 09:14 | <Hyperbyte> Yay!
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| 09:22 | <markit> hi alkisg, about user's migration from one system to another, maybe this can help: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-move-migrate-user-accounts-old-to-new-server/
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> markit: we've developed a libuser.py library, no need to run shell commands, one can use the sch-scripts GUI to migrate his users
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| 09:24 | <warren> Hyperbyte: I'm here primarily to train another developer to takeover for me. I'm a bit busy in law and management courses for the next year.
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> markit: ...and even select the ones he wants to import, resolve conflicts etc
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| 09:25 | <knipwim> warren: cool, who's gonna take over?
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| 09:27 | <markit> alkisg: ah, is already done? I understood you were developing it and would be ready at the end of this month (I need it ;P)
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> markit: sure, it took many months to develop it, now we're on the final stages
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| 09:27 | <markit> alkisg: if you think that the method listed in that article is ok, I could use it asap, since I've only 3 servers to migrate, not a big deal
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| 09:27 | <Hyperbyte> warren, take over Fedora LTSP development?
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> markit: No idea, I have to file some application now for a sysadmin job for this year, so can't really read the page...
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| 09:28 | <markit> alkisg: ups, sorry, ok, don't worry :)
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| 09:28 | "a sysadmin job"... you change job? no more for greek schools?
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| 09:29 | <alkisg> markit: no it's just a temporary job role change, with the same employee (the ministry)
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| 09:30 | <markit> perfect, thanks and good luck :)
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> I.e. I thought it'd be better to only have to give tech support to schools for the next 3 years, instead of doing both support + teaching
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| 09:30 | <markit> really!
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| 09:32 | <mealstrom> good morning :-X
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 09:33 | <mealstrom> thin client software upgrade went smooth :D
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| 09:36 | its creepy to reboot production server after upgrade.
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| 09:55 | <qwebirc11923> With LTSP set up, could I have all the user accounts on on PC, and access them on any other PC that has it set up?
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| 10:15 | <jimjimovich2> Compiz works great on all our terminals as fatclients, but doesn't work when booted as a thin client. is that normal?
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| 10:32 | <Hyperbyte> jimjimovich2, I -think- so... not entirely sure, but Compiz requires compositing hardware and I don't think remote X supports compositing
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| 10:32 | (remote X is what powers thin clients)
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| 10:32 | <jimjimovich2> It's so weird, because it worked perfectly, out of the box, in 10.04
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| 10:33 | <Hyperbyte> jimjimovich2, you're using 12.04 now?
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| 10:33 | <jimjimovich2> our production uses 10.04, we're testing a 12.04 system that we want to move into production
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| 10:34 | <Hyperbyte> http://lwn.net/Articles/465832/
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| 10:35 | That might shed some light on what I just said
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| 10:35 | As for 10.04 vs 12.04 - there's loads of differences between those. :) It's not weird that something works different on a whole new system. ;-)
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| 10:35 | But I can't answer specifics, don't know enough about it.
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| 10:36 | <jimjimovich2> yeah, it just feels like a big step back in terms and look and feel of the OS. Lots of little broken things without compiz.
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| 10:37 | <Hyperbyte> Never used Compiz really.
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| 10:37 | It didn't work for my thin clients on 11.04 either, and I only started with 11.01.
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| 10:37 | *11.04
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| 10:38 | Say, jimjimovich2, have you already added your LTSP setup to the LTSP world map? :-) http://www.ltsp.org/stories/
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| 10:38 | <jimjimovich2> for example, the system notifications are so ugly and nearly unusable
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| 10:38 | probably not. been using it since 6.06 :)
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| 10:39 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 10:39 | Well, the world map is brand new, part of our new site released only a week ago or so. :)
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| 10:39 | <jimjimovich2> things are WAY different nowadays :)
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| 10:40 | <Hyperbyte> Heheh
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| 10:40 | <jimjimovich2> back then, it took me two weeks just to get floppies (and flash drives) working on thin clients
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| 10:41 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 10:42 | <jimjimovich2> you know, actually, compositing is working
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| 10:42 | it's unity that crashes
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| 10:43 | with Gnome and Ubuntu moving towards composited desktops (removing Unity 2D, etc), this is going to be a huge problem going forward
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| 10:44 | well, I got the fix needed to make unity 3d work in fat clients, perhaps we'll have to go fat
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| 10:50 | <Hyperbyte> Do share. :)
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| 11:00 | <markit> jimjimovich2: I use kubuntu.. kde... ;P
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| 11:40 | <qwebirc13637> hello every one
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| 11:40 | i need help
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| 11:40 | that can e possible
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| 11:51 | <andygraybeal_> qwebirc13637, what is the problem?
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| 11:51 | no one can help unless we know the problem.
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy. :)
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| 12:23 | <qwebirc13637> i need the LTSP client boot on Twm and starting a java Application
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| 12:24 | do there any document
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| 12:25 | <qwebirc13637> please
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| 12:31 | <qwebirc13637> ,
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| 12:33 | <Hyperbyte> qwebirc13637, I think you can configure twm as default with LDM_XSESSION in your lts.conf
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| 12:33 | As for starting an application on twm start, I have no idea. If twm honors /etc/xdg/autostart/ you could place a .desktop file there
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| 12:34 | <qwebirc13637> and what about the JAVA application to start on the startup client
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| 12:34 | actually we arre planning to use Ltsp for an airport totem
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| 12:35 | <Hyperbyte> Nice. :)
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| 12:37 | <qwebirc13637> for some client we are using ubunut with (Xorg Twm Paremetre: #Open Xserver Automaticly if [ $(tty) == "/dev/tty1" ]; then xinit /usr/X11R6/bin/twm-kiosk -- :0 fi )
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| 12:39 | do this can be happen on LTSP client
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| 12:42 | <Hyperbyte> qwebirc13637, you could probably set LDM_AUTOLOGIN and LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD to auto-login to a certain user
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| 12:42 | And then either use LDM_XSESSION to control the session being started and then work from there
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| 12:42 | Or hack .xinitrc, but I don't think LTSP listens to .xinitrc
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| 12:43 | No, wait - LTSP does listen to .xinitrc.
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| 12:43 | Either way, read this page:
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| 12:43 | #lts.conf
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| 12:43 | !lts.conf
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| 12:43 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 12:45 | <qwebirc13637> mmm nice so , i will start my test and i will let you know about result :) if we 1 LTSP will be deployed for many airport
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| 12:46 | <Hyperbyte> Which country?
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| 12:47 | <qwebirc13637> Actually for turkey right now
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| 12:47 | <Hyperbyte> Ah.
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| 12:47 | Well hey listen - LTSP can definitely do what you want it do
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| 12:47 | <qwebirc13637> if we succed we will move the solution to Gorgia and Tunisia
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| 12:47 | <Hyperbyte> There's some people here who have much more knowledge about it than me... so if you don't get it working, or have further questions, just come back here and ask. :)
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| 12:48 | <qwebirc13637> sure i will do it :)
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| 12:48 | actually i like much the solution
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| 12:49 | and for my departement we are sufring to run the OS from Disk and there are many hardware platform
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| 12:49 | actually i used a deployment image server for the client (fog) but this not a colplet solution
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| 12:50 | if there any update we need to reimage all the clients
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| 12:50 | :) so funny
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| 12:52 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP is easy that way. I've implemented it at both companies I work for.
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| 12:53 | Managing all software centrally, being able to push new settings & updates to all workstations without having to touch them, is very, very comfortable. :)
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| 12:54 | <qwebirc13637> yes Ltsp has a plus
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| 12:54 | but what about fat clients
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| 12:55 | do you advice to run the JAVA application locally or from server
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| 12:56 | note the application has got a CVLJ framewok to play Video
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| 12:56 | what do you advice
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| 13:13 | <mealstrom> what is better way of using swap on thin clients via use_local (flash drive) or nbdserver swap ?
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| 13:29 | <cyberorg> qwebirc13637, i'll be happy to come to turkey and do it for you, if you are hiring consultant ;)
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| 13:29 | * cyberorg would like go olu deniz | |
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| 13:52 | <qwebirc13637> :) you are wlkome nay time ,
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| 14:25 | <Hyperbyte> qwebirc13637, if your clients can handle it, go fat
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| 16:08 | <knipwim> nice, overlay filesystem: request for inclusion in the main kernel tree
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| 16:08 | http://lwn.net/Articles/511408/
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| 17:52 | <dtrask> wondering if someone can help me
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| 17:53 | I have a program that needs to run in WINE...and eventually as a localapp
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| 17:54 | alksig gave me some directions which appear to be working to a point...except I have a 64-bit WINE installation on the server and 32-bit in the chroot...hence it cannot run....looking for ideas....perhaps like how can I force the 32-bit version on the server?
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| 17:55 | anyone? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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| 17:55 | <||cw> possibly
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| 17:55 | I avoid wine, it so often doesn't work quite well enough
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| 17:56 | <dtrask> no choice here...it's for testing NWEA here at our school
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| 17:56 | it works, although I'd like it to work as a localapp
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| 22:53 | <qwebirc20358> hi! where i can find help?
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| 22:54 | <qwebirc52908> hi
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| 22:54 | where i can find help please?
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| 22:55 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 22:55 | <ltsp> vagrantc: question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 22:55 | <qwebirc52908> well
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| 22:55 | <vagrantc> pfft,
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| 22:56 | <qwebirc30803> I need is to turn my computers on dumb terminals, that is, that the light them not show me anything but go directly to a session with the server where all you see is where the user must type the password and the password, like a dumb terminal, these must be connected to either a Windows server 2003 or 2008.
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| 22:56 | can you help me?
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| 22:57 | <vagrantc> dunno, although you'll need a more stable irc connection to get help
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| 23:00 | <qwebirc9471> I need to turn my pc on dumb terminals that connect to a Server 2003 or higher, where at power display logon inmediatame
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| 23:00 | I need to turn my pc on dumb terminals that connect to a Server 2003 or higher, where at power display logon inmediatame
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> qwebirc9471: are you having troubles with your irc client?
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| 23:01 | <qwebirc9471> no
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| 23:01 | i don't have clients
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> you're logged in with 5 different nicks in the past 15 minutes...
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| 23:02 | <qwebirc9471> I need to implement the system from 0
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| 23:02 | <vagrantc> by the time someone tries to help you, you've already logged out...
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| 23:02 | pfft.
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| 23:02 | <qwebirc9471> what?
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| 23:02 | * vagrantc gives up | |
| 23:03 | <qwebirc9471> Let me explain, I want to implement this system from 0, my boss asked me to research how to do, and I have no idea really
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| 23:03 | <vagrantc> what kind of connection do you need?
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| 23:03 | RDP, VNC, ssh, telnet? LTSP can be configured to do any of those.
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| 23:04 | and surely more than that, with some work.
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| 23:04 | <qwebirc9471> in my company's computers are xp, are very slow, so we want to implement those machines as dumb terminals to connect to the server
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| 23:05 | no matter what, just turn them into dumb terminals, is that they have to put a ubuntu or something
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| 23:05 | <vagrantc> what will they log in to?
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| 23:06 | <qwebirc9471> to a Windows Server 2003 or 2008
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> you might be able to use RDP for that.
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| 23:08 | remote desktop protocol
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| 23:08 | LTSP supports that using rdesktop or freerdp
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| 23:08 | <qwebirc9471> that makes computers just lit display as dumb terminal?
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| 23:09 | <vagrantc> depends on what you mean by dumb terminal
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| 23:09 | if you just want a console-only terminal, then ssh or telnet might work for you
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| 23:09 | <qwebirc9471> be so kind as to explain what LTSP and RDP??? Please
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| 23:09 | <vagrantc> i don't really know the windows side well at all
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| 23:10 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project
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| 23:11 | <qwebirc9471> dejame explicarte que es para mi una terminal tonta, es decir que no me cargue ningun sistema de xp o algo así, osea que al encender el equipo se conecte de una vez al servidor
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| 23:11 | let me explain it to me a dumb terminal, ie not charge me any xp system or something, I mean that when you turn on the computer to connect to the server once
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> lo siento, no puedo explicar
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| 23:12 | <qwebirc9471> is to use server programs like a remote terminal
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| 23:14 | <qwebirc9471> Have an idea of what you want to do?
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> qwebirc9471: many of your words are too vague.
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| 23:15 | and i don't know windows well enough to help you.
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| 23:30 | <qwebirc9471> need not be in the terminal windows, ubuntu or can be anyone but me to connect to a Windows server
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