IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <monteslu> anyone awake using fedora 9?
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| 00:00 | this bridge stuff is not easy
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| 00:00 | I'm gonna have to go ahead and uh sort of disagree that it's the best way to go
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| 00:00 | <johnny> i thought it was built to do that
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| 00:00 | and it just automatically worked
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| 00:01 | EXCEPT with network manager
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| 00:01 | that's the only caveat i've heard
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| 00:07 | <monteslu> problem is that its was build to be used by two NICs
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| 00:08 | the bridge network 173.x.x.x is all over the configs
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| 00:08 | I dont want the ltsp server on a seperate network
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| 00:08 | i just want to hit eth0 and go
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| 00:08 | I was perfectly fine with it being my network's dhcp server
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| 00:10 | I have a couple of windows machines on the same network, and now they're getting 173 address
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| 00:11 | I dont want to nat everything throug the fedora box
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| 00:11 | this is a bad default. it's only purpose is to help in testing
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| 00:13 | but that could already be done on a bridge network using some other virtualization and the ltsp server as a guest
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| 00:45 | <sbalneav> night all
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| 02:52 | <maalsa> hey all, have a few questions about LTSP, anyone care to field them?
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| 02:52 | anyone? anyone? bueller?
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| 02:53 | anyone at all...
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| 02:54 | anyone even alive in here?
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| 02:55 | i'm patient, i'll wait.
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| 03:00 | maybe i'll just try back tomorrow during "normal hours" even though i could have swore these were "normal hours" for us linuxheads
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| 03:01 | <cyberorg> maalsa, well mind reading plugin is underdevelopment, so till you ask it would be tough you will find someone to help :)
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| 03:02 | <maalsa> haha well i was just testing the waters to see if anyone was even alive in here
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| 03:03 | <cyberorg> maalsa, most people in IRC take it as trap and not answer to meta questions
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| 03:03 | <maalsa> i understand the concept of setting up LTSP on a server, etc. but i'm still not exactly sure what goes on the thin client itself in order to connect to the server
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| 03:03 | <cyberorg> you should just ask whatever it is and someone would answer sooner or later
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| 03:04 | TC should be PXE boot capable
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| 03:04 | <maalsa> and what qualifies a TC to be PXE boot capable?
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| 03:04 | can PXE be booted off USB?
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| 03:05 | er, a USB flash drive?
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| 03:05 | <cyberorg> maalsa, it has a boot rom built into it's LAN card, most motherboards made in last few years have on board lan that is PXE boot capable
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| 03:06 | <maalsa> meaning it sort of boots via ethernet?
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| 03:06 | <cyberorg> maalsa, yes
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| 03:07 | <maalsa> and what if the TC itself already has an OS on it, such as Windows CE, but I want to boot and connect into a server running a distro of linux
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| 03:25 | <v-pro> are all the packages needed by ltsp in Hardy's main and universe?
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| 03:35 | <cyberorg> maalsa, LTSP does not care for hard disk, that is why it is called "diskless" system
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> morning all
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| 08:40 | Nubae: About?
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| 08:40 | I did some more formatting on the doc tree last night.
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| 08:49 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 08:50 | * ogra waves | |
| 09:00 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 09:01 | morning ogra
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| 09:01 | <jammcq> sbalneav: howdie
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| 09:04 | <saxon> hiya we have the "busy box" issue again, we just came back from holidays and wheen we switch these babies on only 4 of the 40 booted through to logon screen, HELP PLEASE
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> Which version of LTSP? 5 on Ubuntu?
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| 09:06 | <saxon> we ra update sshkeys and image we are on hardy
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| 09:07 | <laga_> does it work if you reboot the affected clients?
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| 09:07 | <Nubae> yeah
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| 09:08 | <Nubae> ah there he is
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Well, if they're sitting at the busy box, it usually means they can't mount the root either via nbd or nfs
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| 09:09 | you might want to restart inetd
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| 09:09 | <Nubae> ok, well thats an eggdrop with a ircscroller frontend... let me put it up on the web, so we can see the logs
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> Nubae: I did more work on the docs last night, might want to update your branch if you're tracking it.
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| 09:10 | <Nubae> ok, I'll take a look
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| 09:11 | do u know if freenode checks for bots?
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| 09:12 | <saxon> sbalneav: how to restart inetd?
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| 09:14 | <Nubae> do /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd
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| 09:14 | restart
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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| 09:15 | <Nubae> if u are on ubuntu/debian
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| 09:15 | or dat...
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> Might also want to make sure there's not a firewall blocking things, or the like.
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| 09:18 | <saxon> sbalneav: did not wwork
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> what happens if you do a
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| 09:20 | netstat -an | grep :2000
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| 09:22 | <saxon> i get several ip address listed
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> can you paste the results to the pastebot?
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 09:24 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:27 | <ltsppbot> "saxon" pasted "sbalneavlog" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/28
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Looks like you've got at least 13-14 connected.
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> So you reboot, and it just immediately drops into the busybox?
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| 09:31 | <saxon> yes
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| 09:33 | I am going to reboot server see you on flip side - 1minute
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| 09:40 | <Nubae> hmmm
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| 09:44 | <saxon> (16:44:35) saxon: hi now what use to bootup fails as well
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| 09:44 | <sbalneav> Nubae: What we really need's a style guide or something. We've sort of got different formatting conventions in different areas of the manual. Not surprising, given the distributed nature of it's development.
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| 09:45 | <Nubae> yeah and maybe a guide for how to get involved
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| 09:45 | like what software to use when editting and such
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> saxon: Hmmm, might want to try resetting the switch that the terminals are connected to. As well, have you recently installed a firewall on the machine?
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| 09:47 | Nubae: Well, we have that doco page on the wiki I set up, putting it there would make sense.
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| 09:47 | <Nubae> yep
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| 09:48 | other than Vi, which is unfriendly for most people, especially educators and the like, what can spit out proper docbook XML?
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> I haven't found, so far, any WYSIWYG Docbook editing tool, and OpenOffice.org only seems to be capable of producing articles, and not the "book" DTD type we want.
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| 09:48 | <Nubae> how about web based app?
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> I don't know of any, but that doesn't mean they don't exist
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| 09:50 | Anything we choose should be capable of not buggering up existing indenting. I don't mind if a new section gets added, if it's not indented correctly, but OpenOffice basically completely hoses indenting, which then makes it tough for people like me who DO just use an editor to manipulate the docbook code directly.
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| 09:52 | <Nubae> yeah, lets see if there isnt something else
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| 09:59 | <mib_saga> hii iam using fedoracore 9, i followed the installation instructions in http://wtogami.livejournal.com/23648.html but i cant start my ltsp-dhcpd service and the ltsp-vmclient is not booting up
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| 10:00 | any solutions?
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| 10:01 | https://www.mibbit.com/pb/0VdV6l this is my ltsp-vmclient output
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> So dhcpd isn't starting up?
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| 10:02 | <mib_saga> yeah
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> Might want to check /var/log
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| 10:03 | on debian/ubuntu, dhcpd logs to daemon.log, not sure where on Fedora it logs to
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| 10:03 | but a quick grep should tell you that
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| 10:03 | saxon: Any luck?
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| 10:07 | <mib_saga> https://www.mibbit.com/pb/5hu7P1 mydhcp logs
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| 10:08 | <ogra> doesnt look like you have a working config for either device
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> Well, there's your problem. You haven't modified your dhcpd.conf to fit your networking
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| 10:08 | <mib_saga> oh
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| 10:08 | <ogra> or your networking to fit the config ;)
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| 10:08 | (which is the easier way round imho)
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| 10:09 | <mib_saga> is there any guide available to configure dhcp?
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| 10:09 | <ogra> sbalneav, did you see Lns mail to edubuntu-devel about nbd swap and the slowdowns ?
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> No, hold on?
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| 10:10 | <ogra> warren submitted some code that actually has a bunch of bashisms i didnt catch so the dd process might hang while creating swapfiles and put a lot of load on the server
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| 10:11 | i havent had time to look yet, but that might be one of the causes
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> I'm not actually running nbd swap, since all my terminals have a gig of ram.
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| 10:12 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:12 | <ogra> but i'm not sure the code isnt run anyway
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> I'm beginning to think that I'm being hit by the firefox /dev/random vs /dev/urandom thing.
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| 10:13 | I'm poking around with that now.
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> Nubae: did you have a list of suggestions from yesterday?
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| 11:42 | <Nubae> list of suggestions?
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> You had mentioned that you had jotted down a list of suggestions from yesterday that people made.
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| 11:49 | <Nubae> I gave them to u already
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| 11:49 | <monteslu> sbalneav, is the new "/usr/bin/ltsp-localapps <some chroot app>" in fedora 9 the same thing you were working on?
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| 11:49 | <warren> ogra: which file has bashisms?
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| 11:50 | <monteslu> morning warren. I got the system running
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| 11:50 | didn't get flash to work yet
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> monteslu: Yeah, I did some initial research/proof of concept, and warren, vagrant, and gadi finished it off.
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| 11:51 | <monteslu> coolness
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| 11:51 | <Nubae> warren: ltsp-client-setup
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| 11:51 | http://lns.wikidot.com/randomnotes
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| 11:51 | <ogra> warren, the iterating over nbd devices
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| 11:52 | i didnt look yet for more but i suspect there is more
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| 11:52 | <warren> Nubae: nobody else uses ltsp-client-setup yet, or do they now?
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| 11:52 | <ogra> warren, thats our default initscript
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| 11:53 | <johnny> warren, i use ltsp-client-setup
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| 11:53 | <ogra> in ubuntu though, but i copied in your code from the upstream branch
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| 11:53 | <johnny> my own slightly modified for gnetoo
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| 11:53 | gentoo*
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| 11:53 | it is 90% the same
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| 11:54 | <warren> oh, i mixed that up with ltsp-chroot-setup
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| 11:54 | <ogra> warren, how do you init your client if not using the initscript ?
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| 11:54 | ah
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| 11:54 | :)
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| 11:54 | <warren> which initscript?
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| 11:54 | <ogra> ltsp-client-setup
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| 11:55 | <warren> I don't even use that
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| 11:55 | at all
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| 11:55 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:55 | well, we others do :)
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| 11:55 | <warren> I actually touched that file?
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| 11:55 | <ogra> no, i did
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| 11:55 | <warren> so what did I actually break?
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| 11:55 | <ogra> i copy pasted your fix to iterate over nbd devices but didnt check for bashisms
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| 11:56 | apparently there is quoting missing ... bash can cope so you dont need to care
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| 11:56 | not your fault, my oversight
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> We don't have any USE_XFS parameters anymore, right?
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| 12:10 | <loather> sadly, XFS is deprecated :(
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| 12:11 | "LETS ADD EVEN MOAR BLOAT TO THE X SERVER AND MAKE IT DO THIS ITSELF!"
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| 12:15 | <sbalneav> The new XRENDER extention is scads, SCADS better than the old XFS
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| 12:16 | XFS used to have a bad habit of hanging up. I had tons of problems in the old days of XFS taking down all my terminals.
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| 12:17 | There's lots of bloat to fault X for, but I don't think XFS is one of them, IMHO
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| 12:18 | <loather> i have problems with the X server chugging while it's rendering fonts.
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| 12:19 | usually i enabled xfs and used it instead to combat that problem
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| 12:19 | not so much with ltsp, as the terminals only have one CPU anyways
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| 12:20 | but on multiprocessor boxes there's no reason to have fonts rendered in the same thread as the rest of your display processing. they should have updated xfs to use the scads extensions instead.
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| 12:34 | <ogra> wohoo
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| 12:34 | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9116787&intsrc=news_ts_head
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| 12:40 | <monteslu> troll
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| 12:40 | :)
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| 12:42 | <ogra> monteslu, pfft :)
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| 12:51 | <nubae> lo Lns
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| 12:52 | <Lns> hi nubae !
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| 12:52 | How's everyone this fine Friday
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| 12:52 | <nubae> Friday?
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| 12:52 | Its thursday here still
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| 12:52 | <ogra> looking forward to it :)
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| 12:53 | europe is still thu ...
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| 12:54 | <Lns> hold on, damn phone ;)
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| 12:59 | <sbalneav> nubae: More updates. I'll push new versions to the wiki page.
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| 13:00 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 13:00 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 13:02 | <nubae> sbalneav: send me your log files
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| 13:03 | <sbalneav> Email?
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| 13:03 | <nubae> info@nubae.com
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| 13:05 | <sbalneav> ok, I'm writing a "getting involved section" on the wiki page. At some point, we're going to want to merge what I've fixed up back into the ltsp-docs-trunk
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| 13:06 | <Lns> ogra: ;) Err..crap, it's thursday here too. (I need to get more sleep)
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| 13:08 | <Lns> sbalneav, I'll monitor the ltsp.org wiki and try to get that info/link to it on the UbuntuLTSP wiki too - I'm trying to revamp it currently
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| 13:11 | <nubae> sbalneav: how about using docbook wiki? http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/
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| 13:12 | sbalneav: cant u just branch a new ltsp-trunk, write over the XML file and then push?
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| 13:32 | <Lns> yikes....so much info on the UbuntuLTSP wiki is outdated.. i'm gonna have fun going through all of it!
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| 13:33 | <nubae> yeah theres stuff in there for dapper and feisty
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| 13:33 | <ogra> please leave dapper in but mark it as dapper
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| 13:33 | dapper is still supported
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| 13:34 | <Lns> ogra: will do - trying to figure out a clean way to separate the versions yet keep it all sane
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| 13:38 | <nubae> I guess I should take out all the joins and quits from the logs
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| 13:38 | <Lns> nubae: you talking about for putting the logs up for archive?
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| 13:39 | <nubae> www.nubae.com/logs
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| 13:39 | <Lns> oooo :)
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| 13:39 | <nubae> but yes, archived logs will go there too
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| 13:39 | <Lns> I wouldn't take the joins/quits out, it might be of use to some
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| 13:39 | <nubae> ok
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| 13:44 | <Lns> nubae: when do you think these logs will be available? I'll add your link to the wiki if it's soon, that's a pretty valuable resource
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| 13:46 | <nubae> well the ones that started today will be available from today
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| 13:47 | and the others, I have to see how to feed them into the bot and log to web converter
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| 13:48 | <Lns> ok, i'll just put the link up now
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| 13:48 | <ogra> can you mail the mailinglist ?
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| 13:48 | so people are aware
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| 13:48 | and jammcq should put it in the topic
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| 13:48 | <Lns> ogra: who?
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| 13:49 | <ogra> Lns, whoever puts the logs in a public place :)
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| 13:50 | <nubae> they are in a public place
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| 13:50 | <Lns> ogra: ok
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| 13:50 | <ogra> right, make the community aware is what i mean and put the link to it in the topic ;)
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| 13:50 | * ogra is out now | |
| 13:51 | <Lns> oh man... i can't wait to sift through all the logs from when i'm not there =p if there was ever something to take up my free time... :p
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| 13:51 | <nubae> Lns why dont u write the email together with a mention of the new docs and the updated wiki
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| 13:51 | <Lns> nubae: sure
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| 13:51 | <nubae> should breathe some life into the mailing lists
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| 13:52 | <Lns> yeah - I've also linked to all of the mailing list archives on the UbuntuLTSP wiki, should be nice to have all in one place
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| 13:52 | <nubae> definetly
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| 13:52 | <Lns> nubae: so you know a bit about bots, eh?
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| 13:53 | <nubae> heh, long ago, I used to code them
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| 13:53 | when in Uni... but that was like 12 years ago
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| 13:53 | eggdrops and irc took up far too much of my time
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| 13:54 | <Lns> ;)
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| 13:54 | What is your view on a bot notifying IRC chan when a mailing list post is submitted?
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| 13:55 | <nubae> well, anything like that can get annoying
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| 13:55 | <nubae> u can really put pretty much anything into these bots, from the tv shows playing and tech news to games and such
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| 13:56 | <Lns> You think it'd be too annoying to have the bot notify the chan when a post is made in, say, ltsp-discuss?
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| 13:56 | <nubae> well ltsp-discuss has almost no traffic, so no
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| 13:56 | <Lns> that's what i was thinking too
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| 13:56 | I dunno, just thought it would be a neat way to tie the lines of communication together
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| 13:58 | <nubae> yeah, Ill look into it... gonna add a wikipedia connect too
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| 13:58 | so u can do !wiki term and it spits it to the channel
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| 13:58 | <Lns> oh wow
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| 13:59 | nice
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| 13:59 | hmm, maybe a !list to show last x # of posts (sender, subject) to a list..?
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| 13:59 | instead of auto-notify
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| 14:03 | <nubae> yeah either way
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| 14:05 | !wiki ltsp
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| 14:05 | <ltspbot> nubae: Error: "wiki" is not a valid command.
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| 14:06 | <nubae> heh, the other one is gonna get mad of course, have to change the operator
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| 14:10 | <Lns> yikes...dunno why my list posted 3x in ltsp-developer
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| 14:11 | oh nm that's my TB filters
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| 14:21 | <IsleVegan> i have an amd64 ubuntu 8.04 system as ltsp server and a toshiba tecra a5 notebook as the client. the client will show the orange ubuntu splash display with the oscillating orange bar briefly until the orange bar gets stuck and the caps lock key light blinks and it never moves past that point. this is the point where the bar bounces back and forth...it doesn't get to the steady horizontal progress point. i am using the arch -386, this i
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| 14:23 | <Lns> IsleVegan: do you know how to check the chroot logs for clues and/or turn off the bootsplash to see dmesg?
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| 14:23 | <IsleVegan> hmm, i don't know how :-)
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| 14:25 | i was trying various keys to see if it would turn off the bootsplash, but no success so far. F8 and various things
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| 14:25 | <Lns> IsleVegan: hmm can't find any docs on doing this, i'll have to create some
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| 14:26 | <IsleVegan> LNS: ok, thanks!
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| 14:26 | <Lns> IsleVegan: sudo vim /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:26 | remove "quiet" and change "splash" to "nosplash"
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| 14:26 | reboot thinclient and watch for logs
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| 14:28 | <IsleVegan> mahalo, doing it now
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| 14:28 | <nubae> @wiki ltsp
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| 14:28 | @wiki ltsp
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| 14:28 | <ltsplogbot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ltsp (Requested by nubae)
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| 14:28 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ltsp (Requested by nubae)
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| 14:28 | <nubae> hehe
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| 14:28 | <Lns> woo!
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| 14:29 | nice.
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| 14:29 | <nubae> theres a google one too
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| 14:29 | hang on...
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| 14:30 | <IsleVegan> "can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf" "kernel panic, not syncing, attempting to kill init"
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| 14:30 | on the client
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| 14:32 | <Lns> IsleVegan: hmm. not sure about that one - what's your client hardware?
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| 14:32 | <IsleVegan> it is a toshiba tecra a5 notebook
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| 14:32 | <laga_> it probably means that it couldn't find the NIC
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| 14:33 | <IsleVegan> which is odd, since it is clearly communicating something with the server for a bit
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| 14:35 | <Lns> I've seen that before with an Asus EEE subnotebook...the driver isn't loaded yet as it's just working off PXE until it loads the kernel driver (AFAIK)
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| 14:35 | You probably need to get the driver for your NIC and put it in the chroot
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| 14:35 | <IsleVegan> hmm, ok
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| 14:36 | <Lns> IsleVegan: have you updated the chroot?
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| 14:36 | * Lns loves suggesting that | |
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| 14:36 | <IsleVegan> lns: how do i do that?
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| 14:36 | <Lns> IsleVegan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 14:36 | <laga_> you need to put it in the initramfs
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| 14:36 | <Lns> laga_: ah
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| 14:37 | <nubae> @google ltsp
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| 14:37 | <ltsplogbot> nubae, * Google: http://www.ltsp.org/ More: http://www.google.com/search?q=ltsp
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| 14:37 | <IsleVegan> i'm going to try and do what you are saying
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| 14:37 | <nubae> @google fedora
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| 14:37 | <ltsplogbot> nubae, * Google: http://fedoraproject.org/ More: http://www.google.com/search?q=fedora
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| 14:37 | <nubae> hehe fun
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| 14:38 | @google Lns
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| 14:38 | <ltsplogbot> nubae, * Google: http://www.lnsamerica.com/ More: http://www.google.com/search?q=Lns
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| 14:39 | <laga_> @google miserable failure
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| 14:39 | <ltsplogbot> laga_, * Google: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3298443.stm More: http://www.google.com/search?q=miserable+failure
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| 14:39 | <Lns> nubae: heh.. it didn't find me :(
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| 14:39 | <nubae> hehehe
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| 14:39 | <IsleVegan> what is this line for in the updating chroot docs: mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 14:39 | <nubae> IsleVegan: u need that
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| 14:39 | <IsleVegan> ok
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| 14:40 | <r3zon8> need a little help setting widescreen res on ltsp4.2
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| 14:40 | <nubae> it mounts proc in the chroot otherwise some packages like hal and dbus will complain
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| 14:40 | <laga_> "what is this" - "you need it" - "ok" awesome ;)
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| 14:40 | ah
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| 14:40 | <IsleVegan> ok, lol
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| 14:40 | <r3zon8> its so difficult to find 4:3 lcds anymore
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| 14:40 | <IsleVegan> :-)
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| 14:40 | i'll trust the masters here :-X
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| 14:42 | <IsleVegan> there were no apt updates
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| 14:43 | regarding the initramfs and nic drivers, no idea how to do that
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| 14:44 | <Lns> IsleVegan: there should be ~60 updates if you followed all the directions and haven't updated the chroot before
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| 14:45 | <IsleVegan> well, i followed the directions, only a few days ago i did this ltsp install
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| 14:45 | so would it have acquired all the updates then?
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| 14:45 | when it did the arch -i386 build and so on
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| 14:46 | <Lns> IsleVegan: how did you do the install, from ubuntu alternate cd?
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| 14:47 | ltsp-build-client does NOT pull from hardy-updates by default
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| 14:47 | ahh, new page :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting
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| 14:47 | <IsleVegan> i installed the os install on the server months ago, but the ltsp on it a few days ago...i saw it going online and getting packages that looked like most of the basic OS stuff
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| 14:48 | <Lns> IsleVegan: post your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list file
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| 14:48 | <IsleVegan> ok
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| 14:49 | cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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| 14:49 | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted
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| 14:49 | deb http://security.ubuntu.com//ubuntu hardy main restricted
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| 14:49 | sorry :-o
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| 14:51 | <Lns> IsleVegan: you didn't follow the directions :)
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| 14:51 | <IsleVegan> hmm, i'll look again
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| 14:51 | <Lns> IsleVegan: echo "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted" | sudo tee -a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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| 14:52 | <IsleVegan> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u root i did that from the url i sent and now i don't know what the old password was :-o
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| 14:53 | <Lns> huh?
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| 14:53 | <IsleVegan> eric-home@o-o:~$ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u root
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| 14:53 | Password changed.
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| 14:53 | <Lns> ok
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| 14:54 | and then sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 14:54 | to assign a pw
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| 14:54 | <IsleVegan> where / what is this password used for?
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| 14:55 | <Lns> IsleVegan: to log into the chroot
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| 14:56 | I would advise to do a bit of reading on these concepts to familiarize yourself with them, it will make your life a lot easier :)
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| 14:56 | <IsleVegan> yeah, that's what i'm trying to do
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| 14:58 | <Lns> IsleVegan: the root account in ltsp chroot is disabled by default, passwd -u will activate it and passwd will prompt you to put in a password for that account
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| 14:59 | BUT we're trying to update the chroot....so you don't really need to worry about that
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| 14:59 | <IsleVegan> ok
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| 14:59 | <Lns> So you know what to do now?
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| 14:59 | <IsleVegan> no, but i'm working on it
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| 15:00 | <Lns> ;)
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| 15:01 | When was NBD introduced to LTSP by default in Ubuntu? Was it 7.04?
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| 15:01 | <monteslu> no. things worked in 7.04 :)
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| 15:01 | just a guess, i really don't know
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| 15:01 | <IsleVegan> this may seem minor to folks here but to someone new, this kind of thing is confusing, "To fix this, we need to modify our existing /opt/ltsp/arch/etc/apt/sources.list file to include our releases hardy-updates repository as well, and then do an upgrade inside the chroot. First, let's modify our LTSP chroot sources.list (assuming we're using i386-based chroot on an Ubuntu Hardy installation): " some assumptions and understandings need
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| 15:02 | <IsleVegan> updates are happening now
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| 15:03 | <Lns> woot :)
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| 15:03 | <jc2it> I have some Neoware Thinclients that I am PXE booting from LTSP + Ubuntu. How do I determine which Via S3 driver to use, for optimum results?
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| 15:03 | <IsleVegan> really though, there are many relatively well informed bits of knowledge that must be in place to do most of this. it's supposed to be so easy to do...not complaining but hoping that it were easier so it can be adopted more readily
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| 15:04 | <Lns> jc2it: not sure, i have some neoware units at one site and the default seems to work..not sure if it's "optimal" though
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| 15:05 | IsleVegan: It's not necessarily "so easy to do" when you're digging in and troubleshooting. It's easy to set up, yes.
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| 15:05 | <jc2it> Yes default works, but after reading documentation on Via's site I think they are capable of 3D
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| 15:06 | <Lns> You need to understand how LTSP works fundamentally to be able to troubleshoot effectively - that's what the documentation is for
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| 15:06 | <IsleVegan> i don't consider it to be set up if it doesn't work >:o
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| 15:06 | yep
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| 15:06 | and i thank you for helping
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| 15:06 | <Lns> IsleVegan: you can't expect every hardware configuration under the sun to work perfectly...
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| 15:07 | <IsleVegan> well, that laptop works with ubuntu directly, booted from the original 8.04 cd and the 7.10 cd before that
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| 15:07 | <Lns> That would be akin to complaining that Windows XP didn't auto-install your hardware drivers for you ;)
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| 15:07 | <IsleVegan> so, i figured, perhaps ASSumed that it would
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| 15:07 | <Lns> IsleVegan: That's where the difference is shown between a local install and LTSP - things happen much differently
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| 15:08 | <IsleVegan> hmm, yes. i was wondering if x actually runs locally on the client or if it's more akin to some kind of improved vnc arrangement
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| 15:09 | <Lns> IsleVegan: X *server* runs on the client, after LDM logs you in (via ssh).
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| 15:09 | <IsleVegan> ok
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| 15:09 | <Lns> Everything else is handled on the LTSP server hardware
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| 15:09 | brb
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| 15:09 | <IsleVegan> thanks again
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| 15:09 | <maalsa> so really you're just using a front-end (x server) ?
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| 15:10 | piping in here after reading a bit... going to try to set up a small thin client network and unfortunately have very little linux experience
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| 15:12 | <Lns> maalsa: Traditionally in *nix the "X Server" is what calls the "Client" programs. Its kind of backwards terminology
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| 15:13 | Think of the X server as *kind of* like a VNC client, but not really. The apps reside on the LTSP server (as client programs being called by the X server on each terminal). All the 'heavy lifting' (cpu/mem/etc) is mostly done on the LTSP server
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| 15:14 | and merely displayed on the X server (on the terminal)
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| 15:15 | <IsleVegan> yesterday, i came across something about tftd or something like that...a daemon of some kind and there was a small config file that would make it active or not active, the default was no or not active i believe. i read a suggestion to make it yes, or active.
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| 15:15 | anyone know what that might have been?
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| 15:16 | tftpd maybe
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| 15:16 | hmm
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| 15:16 | <Lns> IsleVegan: tftp is used in the PXE boot process
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| 15:17 | IsleVegan: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#AEN161
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| 15:17 | <IsleVegan> yes, earlier this year or late last year i had a successful ltsp setup
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| 15:17 | i believe i read these things several times, but it's been a while
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| 15:18 | i never had to do this chroot and update and such before
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| 15:18 | <Lns> IsleVegan: updating the chroot is critical for bugfixes
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| 15:18 | <IsleVegan> on the update, it finished, "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic"
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| 15:19 | <Lns> I recently discovered that hardy-updates isn't pulled by default, so hopefully that will be fixed soon
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| 15:19 | ok
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| 15:19 | <IsleVegan> is that intentional that the updates aren't happening on their own?
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| 15:19 | or, perhaps, the correct updates
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| 15:20 | or will this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot be necessary for updating the clients' code for the foreseeable future?
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| 15:20 | <Lns> IsleVegan: look at the bug report at the bottom of that page
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| 15:21 | <IsleVegan> hmm
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| 15:22 | i get the impression that's kind of a big deal
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| 15:22 | surprising it's not fixed, since edubuntu is also such a big deal for ubuntu
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| 15:22 | maybe edubuntu has it right? i don't know
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| 15:25 | <IsleVegan> ah, here's the file i changed yesterday /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 15:25 | the line: "RUN_DAEMON="yes"" was no
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| 15:25 | no by default
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| 15:31 | <Lns> nubae: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#AEN161 - "The thin-client then boots the downloaded Linux image, detects hardware, and connects to the LTSP server's X session (normally handled by LDM). " actually isn't correct - LDM is launched on the TC then starts an X session after login.
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| 15:33 | <IsleVegan> eric-home@o-o:~$ sudo ltsp-update-image then "Error: chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 doesn't exist." what is the syntax to get it to work on the i386 portion?
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| 15:34 | <nubae> Lns: have u branched sbalneaes docs trunk?
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| 15:34 | <IsleVegan> is it this: sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386
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| 15:34 | <nubae> u can then edit it and send up a merge patch
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| 15:35 | IsleVegan: rihgt
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| 15:35 | <IsleVegan> YAY, thanks nubae!
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| 15:35 | <nubae> --arch amd64 would be for loading 64 bit clients
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| 15:35 | it should really default to 386 though
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| 15:36 | <IsleVegan> it didn't, i have an amd64 server with only an i386 client
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| 15:37 | <Lns> nubae: i haven't - not sure how to do the branching stuff yet
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| 15:38 | IsleVegan: ltsp-build-client defaults to the arch of the server install
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| 15:38 | <IsleVegan> ok, that's what i figured. the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot didn't seem to make a difference in the client behavior, but it did seem to get updates
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| 15:39 | <Lns> IsleVegan: k.. well I'm not sure how to manually put drivers in the chroot... maybe someone else can chime in
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| 15:39 | if that's even the problem
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| 15:39 | <IsleVegan> ok
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| 15:41 | <nubae> sure, thats my area
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| 15:41 | =)
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| 15:41 | I'm the chroot customiser.... lol
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| 15:44 | <Lns> nubae: :p
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> nubae, since you're talking about drivers in the chroot, how about a one-line how to for installing nvidia commercial drivers to the chroot? :)
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| 15:46 | <nubae> well, it should be similar to installing commercial drivers for ati, which I did about 6 months ago... that involved building the kernel modules as u do in a totally normal fat installation
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Wouldn't just sudo chroot, apt-get install nvidia-glx-what's-the-package-name be enough?
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> (I do have 2 nvidia clients, I just never bothered to try it... :))
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> nubae: Do you have any objecttion if I merge my stuff into trunk?
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| 15:48 | <nubae> not at all
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| 15:49 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 15:49 | I'll do that tonight.
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| 15:49 | <nubae> alksig it requires linux-restricted-modules-yourkernel
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| 15:49 | + the driver u mention
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> nubae, thanks, I'll try it
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| 15:50 | <sharms> I am on a network where I can't override our existing DHCP setup, I want to use Ubuntu Hardy LTSP server, does anyone know of any LTSP client images that will work with a removable usb key
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| 15:50 | <nubae> and if u want compiz u need to install that in the chroot too
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> ehm... I think compiz would be too much for my extra-super-old thin clients...
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| 15:51 | <sharms> also I dont have much experience in LTSP, will clients on a 1000M network have any issues playing videos etc? Compiz?
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| 15:52 | <nubae> should we put a copy of the docs on one of the bots?
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 15:52 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:52 | <nubae> could do a !get docs then
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| 15:52 | no but actually download them
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| 15:52 | from the bot
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> !get foo
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| 15:52 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "get" is not a valid command.
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| 15:53 | <sbalneav> Wonder if supybot can handle that.
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| 15:53 | hold on
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| 15:53 | <nubae> eggdrop can
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| 15:53 | its just a tcl script, but bet supy can too
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| 15:54 | <Lns> sharms: can you simply add DHCP options to your setup or no? You don't have to replace the existing DHCP server, just add some options for PXE clients (wont' affect other clients)
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| 15:54 | <sharms> Lns: Don't have any control of current DHCP server
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| 15:55 | so I want to image a USB key with pre-configured network settings
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| 15:56 | <Lns> sharms: try looking here: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#network-boot
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| 15:57 | <nubae> http://www.bitlbee.org
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| 15:57 | <Lns> sharms: also, i'm sure Gadi would love to sell you one of these: http://thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=137&Itemid=145 ;)
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| 15:57 | <nubae> thats way cool... tunnels traffic between IMs and irc
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| 15:58 | <johnny> except it supports very little of xmpp nubae
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| 15:58 | <sharms> Lns: thanks a bunch
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| 15:59 | <Lns> np
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| 15:59 | <johnny> and neither does that mcabber :(
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| 15:59 | <nubae> johnny: who cares about xmpp
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| 15:59 | * nubae hides | |
| 16:00 | * johnny kicks you in the irc | |
| 16:00 | <Lns> now, now
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| 16:00 | <johnny> i'm connected right now to this irc channel via xmpp
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| 16:00 | <nubae> :p
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| 16:00 | <johnny> go go irc transport..
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| 16:00 | * johnny <3 gajim | |
| 16:00 | <Lns> jabber pwns, there's no doubt about that
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| 16:01 | <johnny> got my pgp encryption too
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| 16:01 | btw.. keith olberman said pwn on the air
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| 16:01 | that was funny
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| 16:01 | <Lns> hehe
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| 16:01 | <nubae> and how did he say it?
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| 16:01 | <johnny> something about hannity getting pwned
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> sharms, I tried X -query with thinstation boot cd and it connected to an LTSP server
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| 16:01 | <johnny> poh ned
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| 16:02 | <Lns> hehehhe, ned
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| 16:02 | <johnny> just seperate it out
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| 16:02 | like powned
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| 16:02 | <nubae> peh wo ned
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| 16:02 | <Lns> oh
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| 16:02 | <johnny> lol
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> sharms, but you could also modify the init scripts in the chroot to make ipconfig use a static ip... too much trouble though.
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| 16:02 | <Lns> poh ned flanders?
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| 16:02 | <johnny> you know.. how a gamer would say it
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| 16:02 | owned with a p
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| 16:03 | <nubae> pauned
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| 16:03 | <sharms> ya I will see whats out there and document the process
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| 16:03 | <nubae> @wiki pwn
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| 16:03 | <ltsplogbot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn (Requested by nubae)
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| 16:04 | <nubae> pwnalated
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| 16:04 | heh
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> sharms, and you may also have 2 dhcp servers, e.g. I have 2 dhcp server in my lab, one only gives ip addresses to windows pcs and the other to ltsp clients
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| 16:05 | <sharms> yeah I am at work right now and unfortunately if I introduce a network change I have to file like 8 weeks of change requests
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> sharms, no, no network change, you don't have to touch the existing dhcp server
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| 16:06 | <Lns> alkisg: 2 dhcp servers on the same network? isn't that kind of ....bad?
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| 16:06 | <johnny> very bad.. unless they run on different ports
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| 16:06 | <Lns> touche', johnny
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| 16:06 | <johnny> sharms, you could run a second one on a different port
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> lns, no, the dhcp protocol specifically allows for as many dhcp servers as you want, as long as each one "behaves".
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| 16:06 | <nubae> heh, a school admins nightmare
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| 16:07 | <johnny> and then setup a rom-o-matic floppy,cd,usb key ..
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| 16:07 | <nubae> but they dont... the usually bring down the entire network
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| 16:07 | <Lns> alkisg: how does the client know which one to use? It's a broadcasted request
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| 16:07 | <johnny> BTW you can even get files via HTTP instead of tftp
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> lns, "man dhcpd.conf" and see for required option
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| 16:07 | <johnny> which is nicer
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> lns, sorry, dhclient.conf
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| 16:07 | <johnny> well.. there's authortative
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| 16:07 | and non
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| 16:07 | <nubae> oooh.... gonna do that... add a @man option to the bot
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| 16:07 | <johnny> don't see a reason for that option
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| 16:08 | unless you can run multiple
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| 16:08 | <nubae> there will be no more stupid questions without stupid answers
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| 16:08 | heh
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> lns, I've just sent a patch for klibc ipconfig, if it gets accepted we'll have that in ltsp also.
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| 16:08 | <johnny> klibc ? what about the one in busybox ?
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> johnny, yes, the one we use in the thin clients
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| 16:08 | <johnny> is that klibc too? i see most of the talk of uclibc
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| 16:09 | the buildroot script they host uses uclibc
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> never heard of uclibc! :) But in ubuntu since 7.04 to 8.10 ipconfig is used...
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| 16:09 | (klibc)
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| 16:10 | <Lns> alkisg: so what about non-PXE clients requesting an IP - how does the LTSP-specific DHCP server know not to give them addresses?
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| 16:10 | The require statement is only for clients needing specific options sent
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> Lns, with the vendor identifier. E.g. "Linux ipconfig" or "PXEClient" => ltsp clients, "MSFT 5.0" => windows PCs
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| 16:11 | <Lns> aahhhh
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> The require statement is for ipconfig to only accept dhcp offers from the ltsp server
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| 16:12 | And gpxe has gpxe.priority option. so etherboot works too.
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| 16:12 | <Lns> alkisg: do you mean ifconfig? or is ipconfig something deeper down
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| 16:12 | <johnny> YAY.. cherokee is awesome now
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| 16:12 | except for the SSL bug
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| 16:12 | you can't have any non ssl vhosts atm
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| 16:12 | they aren't https only.. but you do have to have a cert
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> Lns, ipconfig is ran on the ltsp clients at initramfs time
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| 16:13 | <warren> "MSFT 5.0" is an actual dhcp client identifier?
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> That's how they get their (second) ip from dhcp
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| 16:14 | warren, yes, for windows pcs with dhcp enabled
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| 16:14 | <warren> oh
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| 16:16 | <nubae> 5.0 refers to XP?
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| 16:16 | or all windows clients
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> nubae, I think it's the same for all windows clients. Not 100% sure though.
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| 16:17 | In any case you can use substring in dhcpd.conf, to look only for "MSFT"...
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| 16:20 | (I searched all that trying to make my laptop a plug-n-play ltsp server!!! I did it, I can put it in any lab and it just works (tm) :P)
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| 16:21 | <Lns> That's pretty funny...a stealth dhcp server!
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| 16:21 | goes right next to the stealth samba server.
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| 16:24 | <johnny> 5.0 is win2k and above maybe?
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> johnny, I've tried it with 2k and XP, and I think it's the same even for 9x, but didn't test it...
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| 16:28 | <johnny> pretty sure that one was called 4.0
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| 16:28 | 95,98,ME
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> I don't know, but googling for "MSFT 4.0" doesn't show up anything...
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| 16:29 | Anyway, substring for "MSFT" should be sure enough! :)
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| 16:30 | you mean the internal windows version? I'm not sure that's what 5.0 stand for... or maybe they thought it would be better if it was constant...
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| 16:33 | OK, found it: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/266675
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| 16:33 | MSFT 98
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| 16:34 | <nubae> @google msft98
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| 16:34 | <ltsplogbot> nubae, * Google:
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| 16:38 | <johnny> yeah.. i just figured it would go along with the internal windows version.. guess not :)
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| 16:43 | <staffencasa> could anyone help me with a quick issue? I can't get X to run properly using the latest LTSP server
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| 16:43 | <staffencasa> I think it's a problem with my xorg.conf and lts.conf files
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| 16:44 | did the XF86CONFIG_FILE variable change?
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| 16:44 | <nubae> staffencasa: can u be more specific, how does it not run properly?
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| 16:45 | <staffencasa> I see the X cursor, then it blanks out, then I get the blue screen that says "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?"
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| 16:46 | <staffencasa> When I say Yes, I get "Warning Failsafe mode was already attempted within 30 seconds.
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| 16:46 | and then...
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| 16:46 | Warning: falling back to gdm to report the issue
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| 16:46 | "
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| 16:46 | that's it
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| 16:47 | <nubae> X_CONF us that
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| 16:47 | use
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| 16:47 | <staffencasa> yeah, I tried that and still no go..
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| 16:47 | <nubae> ok, what card?
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| 16:48 | <staffencasa> it's an onboard intel card
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| 16:48 | <nubae> ok, intel sometimes requires 16 bit color
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| 16:48 | <staffencasa> it worked with older versions of ltsp
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| 16:48 | <nubae> set X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
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| 16:48 | and if that doesnt work = 15
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| 16:49 | <staffencasa> i have to do a ltsp-update-image afterwards right?
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| 16:49 | <nubae> but if you have a custom configuration file I dont see why its not working... is the configuration file in the chroot?
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| 16:49 | * staffencasa is still getting used to the new version | |
| 16:49 | <johnny> you could try just setting CONFIGURE_X=F
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| 16:49 | <nubae> no... for lts.conf values, no reboot is necessary
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| 16:49 | <johnny> if you don't need serial devices
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| 16:49 | <staffencasa> I don't
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| 16:50 | <johnny> nubae, that is.. unless they are editing the in in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf . the deprecated one
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| 16:50 | <staffencasa> lts.conf is in /etc, not /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, correct?
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| 16:50 | <johnny> also.. a new chroot should be generated after an upgrade
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| 16:50 | no
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| 16:50 | in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 16:50 | <nubae> right
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| 16:50 | with [default] as the first line
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| 16:50 | <johnny> the one in the chroot still works.. but you do have to update the image then
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| 16:51 | <nubae> staffencasa: is it a new install or an upgrade?
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| 16:51 | <staffencasa> it's a new install on a test server
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| 16:51 | <nubae> ok, then use the /var/lib location
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| 16:51 | <staffencasa> I copied my custom configs to the directory they used to be in
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| 16:52 | so change the lts.conf file in /var/lib, correct?
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| 16:52 | <nubae> yeah
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| 16:52 | <staffencasa> okay, I'll give that a shot
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| 16:56 | I copied my lts.conf file from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ and put it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ and still no go
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| 16:56 | <staffencasa> it might be worth noting that i'm using the -kiosk option when building the client
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| 16:57 | I was going to try imaging this box back to an older version and then upgrading it and see what happens
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| 16:58 | <nubae> try a normal chroot first
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| 16:58 | see if that works
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| 16:59 | <staffencasa> k, so build a client w/o the kiosk option?
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| 17:01 | <nubae> yeah just ltsp-build-client --chroot <nameofchroot>
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| 17:01 | if u dont wanna overwrite your kiosk chroot
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| 17:01 | <staffencasa> I'll just move it
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| 17:01 | i don't need to update anything else if I do, right?
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| 17:02 | <nubae> no
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| 17:34 | <staffencasa> nubae, I keep getting a "terminated abnormally" after it can't find xubuntu-artwork-usplash. Is Xubuntu not going to work for a server?
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| 17:36 | <nubae> not as a server I dont think, no
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| 17:36 | you can install a fat client... ie a chroot that contains xubuntu
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| 17:37 | <staffencasa> yeah, I don't want any fatties
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| 17:37 | <nubae> but thin clients running xubuntu, I'm not sure if thats being done
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| 17:37 | <staffencasa> I did it with an older version, but there's no reason I need to
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| 17:38 | I'll just install Ubuntu and see what happens
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| 17:38 | thanks for your help
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| 17:38 | <nubae> does xubuntu use hal/dbus/udev?
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| 17:38 | * staffencasa shrugs | |
| 17:39 | <staffencasa> I was just looking at distros and liked xfce better, so I thought I would try it
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| 17:44 | nubae, I added universe to the 000-basic-configuration file and it worked
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| 17:45 | I'm staring at a Xubuntu login screen
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| 17:45 | on my client
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| 18:08 | * stgraber is working on preseeded ltsp-cluster demo server. | |
| 18:09 | <stgraber> Basically you put boot the CD, select the main network card, enter a hostname and after rebooting the system will be running openvz with a VM for each service, load balancing in place and autologin turned on.
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| 18:09 | host being hardy and guest intrepid
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| 18:10 | <warren> per-logged in user VM?
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| 18:11 | <stgraber> well, you'll get: a host server running hardy and 5 VMs on top of it (intrepid): bootserver (nbd,tftp,dhcp), loadbalancer, controlcenter, appserver1, appserver2
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| 18:11 | the VMs are bridged with the second NIC
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| 18:12 | so you can then boot your thin clients, they'll autologin and be ready to use
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| 18:12 | (that was initially designed for demo setup for our customers)
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| 18:13 | <warren> the VM's are only for paranoid reasons then
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| 18:13 | openvz would be great to make each user unable to see other user's processes
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| 18:14 | I tried that approach back with the old vserver (similar to openvz). It worked, but it was tiring because I had to build my own kernel.
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| 18:15 | <stgraber> yeah, we also have some vserver at the office ... having to patch a old 2.6.22 to make it work.
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| 18:15 | openvz is proposed in hardy so it's easy to use :)
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| 18:15 | I just tell the installer to use a different kernel and that's it
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| 18:15 | <warren> it is a bit crazy to ship that in your standard kernel
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| 18:15 | we had kernel engineers try VERY HARD to make it upstream capable a few years ago
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| 18:15 | architecturally it is just impossible
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| 18:16 | also consider that if your kernel has it, even if most users don't know about it...
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| 18:16 | that's a great way for someone to hide processes on someone's system
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| 18:17 | <stgraber> it's not the default kernel. we have -generic (desktop), -server (server), -xen and -openvz as in-distribution kernels for hardy
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| 18:17 | <warren> oh.
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| 18:17 | <stgraber> well, not really as the host sees all the process running in the guests, you can't (AFAIK) hide a process from the host
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| 18:18 | (you can do that with vserver though)
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| 18:18 | <warren> oh
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| 18:18 | vserver, the host cannot see processes by default
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| 18:25 | <nubae> stgraber: how are u doing authentication across the cluster?
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| 18:26 | <warren> http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html
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| 18:27 | how do we get corrections into this?
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| 18:27 | it is not called k12ltsp
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| 18:27 | <stgraber> depends on where we implement it
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| 18:27 | <warren> also, wouldn't it be better to link each distro's own directions than to copy an outdated copy here?
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| 18:27 | also, I don't know a single case where copying the server's fedora.repo into the client is needed
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| 18:28 | <stgraber> nubae: we have customers with existing active directory or novell directory, otherwise it's usually openldap
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| 18:28 | nubae: for the demo server, it's autologin so no need for any of that
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| 18:30 | <nubae> warren: remember when I asked for instructions for Fedora Ltsp?
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| 18:30 | that was what it was for :p
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| 18:30 | but its located on launchpad... branch it from ltsp-doc-trunk
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| 18:31 | if u give me corrections though, I can do ti
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| 18:31 | it
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| 18:35 | <warren> nubae: what if I don't want any fedora directions in there
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| 18:35 | nubae: I want only pointers to the fedora directions
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| 18:36 | <nubae> fine give me the pointers and I'll change it
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| 18:37 | <warren> nubae: we're busy moving everything now to k12linux.org... i'll write stuff after the move is done
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| 18:38 | <nubae> k
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| 18:41 | <staffencasa> nubae, I re-ran ltsp-build-client with the kiosk plugin and it worked. i'm thinking I monkeyed with it too much
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| 18:44 | since I'm new to this version, I'm still a little shaky on the process. If I add files to my chroot, I need to re-run ltsp-update-image, correct? For example, if my chroot is /opt/ltsp and I add a few scripts to run in /opt/ltsp/home/kiosk/, I would need to run ltsp-update-image, right?
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| 18:45 | <nubae> yeah
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| 18:45 | everything changed in the chroot requires doing an update
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| 18:45 | <staffencasa> sweet, thanks
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| 19:01 | <Lns> nubae: FYI xubuntu has had LTSP support for a loooong time :)
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| 19:02 | <nubae> cool
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| 20:38 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 20:38 | <warren> i'm going to sleep now
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| 20:38 | please e-mail
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| 20:38 | the list
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| 20:38 | <petre> will do
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| 20:48 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:48 | <petre> hey sbalneav
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| 20:51 | <sbalneav> Evening petre
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| 20:53 | <stgraber> hey sbalneav
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| 20:54 | <sbalneav> Eveing stgraber
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| 21:14 | <petre> any fedora folks around?
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| 21:26 | <warren> (Notes the lack of other people working on the Fedora packages. The remaining changes to release are VERY SIMPLE yet everyone is waiting on me due to my high stress and health problems.)
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| 21:26 | add insomnia and extreme pain to the list
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