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Channel log from 2 March 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:34 | <cyberorg> alkisg_away, yes, wanted to link to your server, but unfortunately the new image didn't work, also I've changed the language there so no modification to image is needed
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> cyberorg: btw, why aoe instead of nbd?
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| 06:29 | <cyberorg> alkisg, because we default to that on openSUSE
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> tcp/ip allows for rate limiting, thus helping solve the flow control issues
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| 06:29 | aoe is 10 times *slower* than nbd in mix-speed labs, where server=gigabit, and some or all clients = 100 mbps
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| 06:30 | <cyberorg> yes, both has pros/cons :)
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> 10 times slower is a big con though...
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| 06:34 | <cyberorg> what exactly is nbd-server setup for this howto? https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/wiki/Using%20Ubuntu%20Precise%20images%20for%20old%20Thinclients/
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> cyberorg: do you mean the /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf file?
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| 06:41 | Or the central /etc/nbd-server/config file?
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| 06:42 | <cyberorg> config just has includedir = /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/
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| 06:42 | what is in /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf and pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 06:42 | append
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| 06:42 | <alkisg> # cat /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf
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| 06:42 | [/opt/ltsp/i386]
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| 06:42 | exportname = /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 06:42 | readonly = true
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| 06:42 | authfile = /etc/ltsp/nbd-server.allow
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| 06:43 | APPEND ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/nbd0
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| 06:43 | Those are the defaults, if one puts it to i386 subfolder
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| 06:43 | And doesn't have multiple chroots
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| 06:43 | Those are automatically configured by ltsp, they're not manual settings by the sysadmin
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| 06:44 | <cyberorg> so the export has to be "/opt/ltsp/i386" for it to work?
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> If the defaults are used
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| 06:45 | If one doesn't like the default name, he has to use nbdroot=xxx
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| 06:45 | Or, set ROOTPATH in dhcp
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| 06:52 | <cyberorg> alkisg, ok, updated the howto to include nbd as well
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| 06:52 | <alkisg> Also, it'd be better if the how-to was in the ltsp.org wiki, wouldn't it?
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| 06:53 | Or do you think that it's kiwi-specific?
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| 06:53 | Ah yes it is, sorry
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| 06:53 | So, I'm troubleshooting the aoe issue
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| 06:54 | I think I found out what causes it, I'll verify it in a few minutes...
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| 06:56 | <cyberorg> the howto would work on any server which has the needed services, nbd/tftp/dnsmasq
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| 06:56 | nothing kiwi-ltsp specific
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| 06:57 | <alkisg> If the how-to is not specific, then it should be in ltsp.org
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| 06:57 | <cyberorg> except first part, when using aoe we can let kiwi-ltsp script to set up vblade
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| 06:58 | there is more https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/wiki/
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/LTSPedia is the official ltsp wiki
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| 06:59 | That's where we developers should be maintaining our docs for the users
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| 06:59 | Unless they are distro-specific, where they belong in the distro wikies then, sure
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| 07:03 | <cyberorg> yup, that is why stuff using kiwi-ltsp scripts is there
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> That's why I was asking if the how-to is distro-specific :)
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| 07:05 | (08:53:07 πμ) alkisg: Or do you think that it's kiwi-specific?
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| 07:05 | ...and you replied
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| 07:05 | (08:56:57 πμ) cyberorg: nothing kiwi-ltsp specific
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| 07:05 | ...but OK, all clear now
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| 07:06 | <cyberorg> alkisg, the precise image page, i meant, the part about nbd-server, can be used on any server
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| 07:07 | you missed the " except first part, when using aoe we can let kiwi-ltsp script to set up vblade" :)
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> That was your next answer, after the "nothing kiwi-ltsp specific", yup, I do have the logs above... :)
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| 07:08 | We did have a bit of miscommunication, it's all ok now
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| 07:09 | <cyberorg> :)
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| 07:09 | we could have howto on ltsp.org that enables use of precise image on any distribution though, that would help
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| 07:10 | <alkisg> cyberorg: with vagrantc and knipwim we tried to make ltsp-tools that would allow how-tos to be the same in all distros
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| 07:10 | <cyberorg> like you said time is coming soon when i386 will be left behind while hardware is still in use
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| 07:10 | <alkisg> For example, ltsp-config nbd, or ltsp-update-image etc, generate the nbd configuration files
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| 07:11 | The problem with kiwi is that you don't want to use those tools so that we can create a common how-to for all ltsp users
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| 07:11 | If you would, it'd be great
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| 07:13 | <alkisg> You can put code in the ltsp tools that calls kiwi-specific tools
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| 07:13 | We do have infrastructure for that
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| 07:13 | <cyberorg> alkisg, one day I'll branch and submit exactly that :)
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| 07:13 | <alkisg> The main point is for all the users to have to run the same commands, whatever distro they're in
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| 07:13 | <cyberorg> so far everything has been work in progress
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| 07:14 | now kiwi-ltsp script is almost feature complete
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| 07:14 | <alkisg> E.g. `ltsp-config dnsmasq` should be able to configure dnsmasq in any distro
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| 07:14 | <cyberorg> however i am away from computer for almost next 3 months starting today
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> If we can write a set of how-to's that don't need to mention "kiwi" or "ubuntu" or "debian" anywhere, then we do have a good set of docs
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| 07:15 | No worries
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| 07:15 | It's possible that me and phantomas will write a new tool and go away from ltsp till then :)
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| 07:19 | <cyberorg> alkisg, we have tried to keep kiwi-ltsp distro agnostic, lot of it should work on any distro, image building part needs kiwi, you can see it working on other distros https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/wiki/Install%20on%20other%20distributions/
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> OK, so, the problem with aoe was indeed the way I tried to minimize the initramfs size
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| 07:19 | It's a burden to try keeping ltsp to run in all distros
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| 07:20 | I don't want to also have to port/maintain kiwi...
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| 07:20 | <cyberorg> we don't, it is done by kiwi project
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> I'm sure that they don't have ubuntu packages for it, and I'd have to maintain it myself
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| 07:20 | <cyberorg> like we don't maintain ltsp bits :P
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> cyberorg: about the aoe fix, how do you want me to give you the new version?
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| 07:22 | Do you want it, or are you OK with what you have now?
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| 07:22 | <cyberorg> i would like the new version from the wiki to your download link
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| 07:22 | may be create folder with images and a symlink to precise-i386-latest.img
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| 07:23 | like we do here http://download.opensuse-education.org/download/ISOs/
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| 07:23 | <alkisg> cyberorg: I think I'll be using squashfs instead of btrfs, is it ok?
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| 07:24 | <cyberorg> sure, if you also make en version available so we dont have to put howto modify locale in it
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> They could just put LANG=xx in lts.conf
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| 07:24 | <cyberorg> you've also disable ssh_known_hosts check?
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 07:24 | It downloads the known hosts on boot
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| 07:25 | <cyberorg> wanted to leave this without needing lts.conf
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| 07:25 | <alkisg> Let's do it from the command line then
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| 07:25 | What are you using that I'm not using?
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| 07:25 | quiet splash, what else?
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| 07:25 | I can set LANG=en when I see something different...
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| 07:26 | (you can also set lang from the command line, ltsp.lang=xxx)
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| 07:26 | <cyberorg> can they set LANG at cmdline?
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| 07:26 | you preempted that!
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> They can set any lts.conf var in the cmdline
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| 07:26 | <cyberorg> cool, so that solves it
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> They just need to put ltsp. in front of it
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| 07:28 | <cyberorg> ok, give me download link that does not need changing when image is updated
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| 07:28 | <alkisg> This is the dir: http://ts.sch.gr/repo/livecd/images/
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| 07:28 | This is the image: http://ts.sch.gr/repo/livecd/images/precise-i386.img
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| 07:29 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 07:30 | <cyberorg> updated the howto
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| 07:31 | * alkisg is compressing the new image, it'll be ready in a couple of minutes... | |
| 07:33 | * gehidore compresses alkisg | |
| 07:33 | <alkisg> akg
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| 07:33 | ouch, the rest of my letters were gone :(
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| 07:34 | cyberorg: ready, 241 MB only :)
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| 07:34 | <cyberorg> thanks :)
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| 07:35 | <gehidore> one of these days I really need to get back to ltsp... boss at the old place is killing me wanting everything else done but they all conflict with migrating the machines :(
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| 07:35 | and with my new job I've little time to spend on site
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> cyberorg: this was the patch needed to make aoe work again: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2714
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| 07:52 | When I manually added it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules instead, it was loaded too early, breaking netbooting
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| 08:03 | <cyberorg> alkisg, i suspected that y'day, rmmod and then modprobe worked so this was the reason
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| 08:03 | <alkisg> I was thinking that *my* modprobe was too early (that networking was not initialized yet),
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| 08:04 | but it was an additional modprobe done by initramfs-tools, because of that file
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| 08:09 | <cyberorg> that changed between the old working image and the new one?
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| 08:09 | <alkisg> The old version had a very big initramfs
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| 08:09 | I tried to make it smaller by specifying MODULES=netboot instead of MODULES=most
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| 08:09 | That then broke aoe because the module wasn't there at all, like you told me
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| 08:09 | Then I put the aoe module in a configuration file
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| 08:10 | That caused an automatic modprobe aoe too early
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| 08:10 | So the solution was to remove the aoe module from the configuration file, and put it in a special ltsp hook instead, the one from the commit above
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| 08:55 | <cyberorg> alkisg, see you in couple of months, have fun
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> cyberorg: you too!
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| 08:55 | Where are you going?
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| 08:55 | Hope you have a good time there, whatever you do... :)
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| 08:56 | <cyberorg> https://airtribune.com/uxcop/info
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> Niiiiiiiiice!!!!
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| 08:57 | I'll do that to, this year, but only once as a customer...
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> !precise-i386
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| 19:38 | <ltsp`> precise-i386: Ubuntu 12.04 compressed btrfs chroot to boot really old clients (non-pae, >=64MB RAM): http://ts.sch.gr/repo/livecd/images. You can find the image, a screenshot and a README there.
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> !stretch-i386
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| 19:38 | <ltsp`> Error: "stretch-i386" is not a valid command.
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