IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 7 May 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:52 | <Piscuek> Hi all. After install gnome-media as localapp, when I try to launch it I get Jack server not found, but if I run it not using localapps I can get sound normally. Edubuntu is running on Vmware ESXi
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| 06:52 | any idea?
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| 09:22 | <Joanet> problem solved installing gstreamer0.10-x and gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio plugins
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| 09:22 | bye
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| 10:39 | * DJUnreal mutters about tapes and how stupidly long the inner tape itself is | |
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| 13:27 | <lifeboy> All you people that run Debian LTSP servers, what else does one do to built a client except "ltsp-build-client -a i386"?
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| 13:32 | <unkmar> Hi, good morning.
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| 13:33 | <unkmar> lifeboy: What are you going for?
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| 13:34 | What is your network setup? you doing DHCP, dnsmasq, tftp, ltsp, and all on one system?
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| 13:37 | <lifeboy> All that works. A 64bit Ubuntu Precise server, with LTSP. My clients don't support 'cmov' so Alkisg: suggested I build a 'wheezy' chroot and copy it to Ubuntu, run "ltsp-update-image -a i386" (which fixes the NFS of debain to use NBD of Ubuntu) and that works. The clients boot, but only to a Debian command line logon prompt
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| 13:38 | unkmar: Yes all one server.
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| 13:50 | * unkmar holds back sarcasm about Ubuntu. | |
| 13:51 | <unkmar> I haven't done an All in One install. My DHCP was via pfsense. However, Looks like you have most of everything workin.
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| 14:17 | <unkmar> ok, Was on phone with bro.
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| 14:21 | ltsp-chroot dpkg --get-selections
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| 14:21 | NO
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| 14:21 | ltsp-chroot dpkg --get-selections | grep xorg
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| 14:22 | I'm wanting to know if X is installed on the clients.
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| 14:26 | * DJUnreal grins | |
| 14:26 | * DJUnreal sits back and pets his Debian 7.0 build | |
| 14:27 | <unkmar> DJUnreal: yeah, bite me. I gotta fix my Debian desktop system. :( miserably failed upgrade ):
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| 14:27 | At least Wheezy is working wonderfully for the ltsp server. :)
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| 14:28 | Fresh install. No upgrade happened there.
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| 14:28 | * DJUnreal bites unkmar on the neck | |
| 14:28 | <unkmar> LOL
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| 14:28 | * DJUnreal recommends NEVER doing an upgrade... back up files, flatten and reinstall and then restore files | |
| 14:28 | <unkmar> Will that turn me into an unreal boy? Sorta like pinnochio?
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| 14:28 | <DJUnreal> no... but it may make things a little fuzzy
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| 14:29 | especially as the blood drains
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| 14:30 | <DJUnreal> For What It's Worth i have a build of debian just running ltsp-server-standalone (and the associated gumph you get with it)
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| 14:30 | <unkmar> DJUnreal: I tend to chant that same sentiment despite the other geniuses telling me they have never had upgrade problems. I guess they've either done hundreds on nearly identical setups or a handful in the wild.
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| 14:30 | <DJUnreal> now i've got no issue with an apt-get dist-upgrade
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| 14:30 | that works well usually
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| 14:30 | but i've only ever done it between minor revisions
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| 14:30 | <unkmar> That is what I attempted and... it didn't work for me. :(
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| 14:30 | <DJUnreal> ie squeeze to squeeze
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| 14:31 | i've never done anything like wheezy to squeeze, for example
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| 14:31 | <unkmar> OH, well, I was trying to move from squeeze to wheezy.
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| 14:31 | <DJUnreal> that's /always/ a fresh build
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| 14:31 | i'm more than happy to do dist-upgrade for kernel releases etc
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| 14:32 | <unkmar> So, how do you like the new default Window Manager or whatever that is?
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| 14:32 | * DJUnreal hasn't looked at it enough to know yet | |
| 14:32 | <DJUnreal> but then we have a very particular way of doing things with our 'play' environment
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| 14:32 | incidentally... LTSP for me is a hobby/project rather than a job
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| 14:32 | <unkmar> It doesn't feel impossible to use to me. Just really weird. Kind of like switching from Windows to mac. But that is definately not like a mac.
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| 14:33 | <DJUnreal> and yet i'm still on enterprise class infrastructure
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| 14:33 | * DJUnreal needs to work out how to add a second server into the mix | |
| 14:33 | <DJUnreal> i've got NIS and NFS set up to work
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| 14:33 | and by work, I mean NFS shares out /home as well as /opt/ltsp
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| 14:33 | NIS is working nicely
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| 14:34 | secondary server has a /local_home for the local admin account
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| 14:34 | and mounts /home via NFS from the primary server for the client accounts
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| 14:34 | * unkmar googles NIS. | |
| 14:34 | <DJUnreal> kinda like LDAP etc but smaller and simpler
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| 14:34 | just means that the secondary server authenticates user logins against the primary
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| 14:34 | instead of against its local database
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| 14:40 | <unkmar> Ah. That is why I like asking people. They can usually summarize the only summaries into geek speak. :)
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| 14:40 | *the online summaries
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| 14:41 | Greatly reducing research time.
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| 14:45 | * DJUnreal agrees | |
| 14:45 | <DJUnreal> you can run multiple NIS slave servers if you need to
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| 14:45 | almost like 'repeaters
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| 14:45 | '
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| 14:45 | but they all update based on the NIS master
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| 14:46 | all i need to do now though... is get my head around what i need to do to prepare my secondary server for LTSP serving
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| 14:46 | <muppis> Which distro still supports NIS? Afaik it was dropped from Ubuntu while ago?
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| 14:47 | <DJUnreal> works fine in debian 7
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| 14:47 | works fine in CentOS too
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| 14:47 | and RedHat
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| 14:47 | and therefore probably Fedora as well
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| 14:55 | <muppis> It still works in Ubuntu fine as well, no question from that. :) I just installed new Ubuntu -server with NIS last week. Canonical just does not longer support it officially.
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| 14:55 | <DJUnreal> ahh
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| 14:55 | well that's just canonical being g!ts
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| 14:55 | <muppis> Looks like. :)
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| 14:55 | <DJUnreal> NIS is a very good and simple way of doing things on a small scale
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| 14:56 | <muppis> So we can think small scale is not what Canonical has in mind.
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| 14:56 | <DJUnreal> nah...
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| 14:57 | Canonical are trying to save themselves as much work as possible
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| 14:57 | hence their dropping of >6 months of support on non-LTR versions
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| 14:57 | <muppis> Who wouldn't.
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| 14:59 | <DJUnreal> true
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| 14:59 | but it's gonna piss off a bunch of users
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| 14:59 | mostly those who don't wish to upgrade every 6 months and spend hours messing about reconfiguring all their settings
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| 14:59 | <muppis> Sure thing.
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| 15:00 | That's why we still got servers running 8.04 at work.
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| 15:00 | <DJUnreal> ok... that /is/ bad
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| 15:00 | <muppis> I'm working on it to get rid of them.
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| 15:01 | <DJUnreal> good man
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| 15:01 | or woman
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| 15:01 | or non-descript-other-entity
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| 15:01 | <muppis> Man. :D
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| 15:01 | <lifeboy> unkmar: I don't have the last step working, the GUI part that should connect to the server and allow the client to log in. :-(
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| 15:03 | <DJUnreal> muppis: you may be able to help me actually (although I can't do my testing for another couple of hours)
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| 15:04 | <muppis> DJUnreal, shoot.
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| 15:04 | * DJUnreal has built a nice happy LTSP master server, which hands out images fine and allows clients to boot (customisation of THAT baby will come later) | |
| 15:04 | <DJUnreal> i've exported /home as well as /opt/ltsp through NFS, set up NIS appropriately, and got my users created
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| 15:05 | got my second server built and configured to mount /home from the primary server, pick up users through NIS, and given it a local home for the admin user just so i've got a failsafe
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| 15:05 | it also mounts /opt/ltsp from the primary server
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| 15:05 | how much of LTSP do i need to actually install on the second server to get it to act as an extra 'login server'?
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| 15:06 | * DJUnreal couldn't see anything about exactly what steps need taking to make it happen in the LTSP manual | |
| 15:07 | <muppis> Are looking for a load or client balacing?
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| 15:07 | <lifeboy> unkmar: Sorry, missed your earlier question: yes, X is installed. http://pastebin.com/TiZkgtMh
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| 15:08 | <DJUnreal> muppis: ideally load balancing, although I fully expect the users will max out both servers anyway
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| 15:08 | basically... we run cybercafes for kids using LTSP
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| 15:08 | and we usually end up running about 20 machines
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| 15:09 | which severely upsets a single server, even with dual hyperthreaded x64 CPUs and 5GB RAM
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| 15:09 | so I need to add another server to the mix to stop the kids killing it so easily
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| 15:10 | <muppis> DJUnreal, client balacing might be little easier to do. Load bacaling comes a little bit of side effect of that.
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| 15:10 | <DJUnreal> that works
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| 15:11 | i'm good for either really... i just need to split some of the stuff off the master server
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| 15:12 | but there's no clear guide that i could find on how to add another server to the cluster
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| 15:12 | <muppis> You need set two LTSP enviroments and use client mac addresses to point them to specific server. You can use common /opt/ltsp as you're already set up.
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| 15:13 | <DJUnreal> okay... so i need to install the ltsp server stuff on the second machine then
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| 15:13 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 15:13 | <DJUnreal> but not DHCP or TFTP as they come from the primary?
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| 15:13 | or do i still need TFTP anyway?
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| 15:14 | <muppis> No really, but would be easier and failsafe to make them only share users.
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| 15:16 | Can be overdoing, but replacting home dirs with DRBD could be nice thing to do, if there's are data which need to be saved.
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| 15:16 | Replicating..
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| 15:20 | <muppis> But basically you need to set up two enviroments for easy to maintain. It can sound stupid keep two separate enviroments in same room, but it gives up failsafe.
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| 15:24 | * muppis now heads to house keeping jobs.. | |
| 15:24 | <unkmar> muppis: unfortunately I still have a server running 6.06 and another running 8.04 :(
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| 15:28 | lifeboy: you have a gui installed, you are able to login via the cli, but you never see a GUI login?
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| 15:38 | <DJUnreal> muppis: thanks for that. I'm kinda thinking that keeping TFTP and DHCP on one host only is the safest way, and just redirecting clients to one or the other server for their logins will be the most sensible way. I'll have a play tonight!
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| 15:47 | <anivair> Morning. Anyone know why ltsp is currently using ics-dhcp-server? I'm not familiar with it, but I saw that it didn't try to start when I installed the ltsp-server-standalone
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| 15:47 | should I install dhcp3, or just work with this as is?
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| 16:02 | <DJUnreal> isc-dhcp-server is the replacement for dhcp3
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| 16:02 | it's effectively the same thing under a different name
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| 16:03 | <anivair> Fair. I'll go ahead with it, then.
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| 16:05 | <DJUnreal> works fine and has been like that for a year now
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| 16:18 | <muppis> DJUnreal, good luck.
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| 16:19 | <anivair> so I've modified /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. Do I also need to modify /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf? I can't get the dhcp server to start./
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| 16:24 | <muppis> You shouldn't need to. Startup script/conf checks exitens of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and uses it instead of /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf. Maybe there something else which prevents starting like in file /etc/default/dhcp or similar.
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| 16:24 | /etc/default/dhcpd
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| 16:24 | <anivair> I'll check
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| 16:29 | <unkmar> I have 3 problems. I need to setup printers. I don't know how to. And I don't want to know how to. :(
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| 16:29 | <anivair> hehehe
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| 16:30 | I hate printers
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| 16:30 | <muppis> >)
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| 16:30 | <unkmar> The last 2 conflict with the first one. :P
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| 16:32 | <unkmar> The printers are already on the network. I just have to add them to the fat-clients
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| 16:32 | <anivair> only this in /etc/default/ics-dhcp-server is INTERFACES="eth0"
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| 16:32 | <muppis> anivair, what's error when starting the daemon?
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| 16:33 | <anivair> .... umm .... it just started when i tried to see the error.
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| 16:33 | I literally made no changes
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| 16:34 | stupid computers
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| 16:34 | <muppis> Welcome aboard. :)
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| 16:45 | <James_Epp> Has anyone ever got iTALC to work with LTSP?
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> it has happened, but some people wrote epoptes instead
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| 16:46 | !epoptes
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| 16:46 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 16:48 | <James_Epp> vagrantc: Thank you muchly! A true gentleman and a scholar!
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| 17:12 | <unkmar> vagrantc: Any chance of helping me with adding printers to the fat clients?
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| 17:12 | Really, just one printer for them all.
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| 17:13 | <muppis> unkmar, configure it to one client and then copy cups.conf to chroot, rebuild image.
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| 17:13 | <unkmar> Network printer. Not local printer.
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| 17:13 | muppis: soo.... A cups.conf will end up in the ~/location?
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| 17:15 | <muppis> Usually /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
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| 17:20 | <lifeboy> unkmar: Yes, on completing the boot process, the thin client only displays a debian login prompt
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| 17:21 | <unkmar> is that a GUI login or CLI.
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| 17:31 | <anivair> does anyone know if the disklessworkstations thin clients care if I build the environment with arch i386 or not?
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| 17:41 | <unkmar> you choose your arch for your clients separate from the server itself using --arch amd64 OR i386.
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| 17:42 | man cups sucks
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| 17:42 | <muppis> Use https://localhost:631
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| 17:42 | <unkmar> muppis: isn't working in the client. Tried that.
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> unkmar: on your server, you add the printer via GUI, and check "share printers" again in the CUPS GUI...
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| 17:43 | No configuration is needed on the client side
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| 17:43 | <unkmar> alkisg: sounds great. WHERE IN TH... sorry. Where in the gui.
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> Which desktop environment are you using?
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| 17:43 | <unkmar> lxde
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| 17:44 | <catpig_work> quick question, anyone happen to know how quickly the ML archive at marc.info updates? I sent a message about 5 or 6h ago and it's not showing up there, getting worried it may have gotten lost along the way ;)
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> unkmar: In gnome, it's `system-config-printer`, no idea about lxde, maybe https://localhost:631 on the server will work, otherwise use cupsctl
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> catpig_work: marc.info? about ltsp-discuss? why not check the sourceforge archive instead?
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| 17:45 | <catpig_work> alkisg, good idea
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=ltsp-discuss
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| 17:46 | <catpig_work> i used marc.info because that's what's linked at the ltsp site
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| 17:46 | ty
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> Really? We should change that, then...
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| 17:46 | <catpig_work> assuming ltsp.org is indeed the official site
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> It is... Hyperbyte ^
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| 17:47 | http://www.ltsp.org/support/ => Search the Archives => point to sf
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| 17:49 | <unkmar> so
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| 17:50 | I have httpP://localhost:631 and it want user and pass.
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> Try the root pass
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| 17:50 | <anivair> building environment now. Wish me luck. I built this machine from scratch, so I feel obligated to ensure it runs optimally
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| 17:51 | <anivair> (and yes, the localhost:631 should play nice with the root password)
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| 17:51 | (on ubuntu or debian, you may actually have to temporarily set a root password and then remove it afterward)
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| 17:51 | <unkmar> root doesn't have a password, root doesn't have an account. Using sudo -s So..
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Set a root password then
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| 17:52 | <anivair> I manage it locally by temporarily setting a root password
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| 17:52 | <unkmar> May have to hack as in. I hate printers
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| 17:52 | Linus is right. people have gotten printer controls All wrong.
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| 17:53 | <anivair> printers are garbage
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| 17:54 | <muppis> And where we would be without CUPS?
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| 17:54 | <unkmar> for some reason, companies like to pass little pieces of paper with text on it around.
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| 17:59 | <unkmar> while true; do echo 'CUPS password protection is stupid'; done
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| 18:01 | <muppis> So you want your users to be able mess up with cups settings?
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| 18:01 | <unkmar> My users don't even know what CUPS is
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| 18:01 | How can mess with something they don't know exists?
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| 18:01 | <muppis> They will, when they start printing..
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| 18:02 | <unkmar> No they won't. They will happily click a little print button and collect there pretty paper.
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| 18:02 | when it doesn't work. They'll come to me.
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| 18:03 | <muppis> I was just writing about that. :)
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| 18:08 | <DJUnreal> Dear LAN switch stack, please stop failing to boot and actually work properly. I'd really prefer it if I could avoid needing to load a serial console or warm-reset the system every time I want you to work. Yours Sincerely, DJUnreal
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| 18:26 | <DJUnreal> ahh
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| 18:27 | least my uplinks are working nicely
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| 18:48 | <DJUnreal> argh
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| 18:48 | for pete's sake
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| 18:48 | looks like i just cooked a VRM
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| 18:55 | <unkmar> Really? the only user reachable by remote is root?
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| 18:55 | Looks like this system WILL have a root password.
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> You can remove it after a few minutes... or you can use cupsctl
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| 19:02 | <lifeboy> needs to check the IRC screen more often...
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| 19:02 | sorry, wrong channel!
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> lifeboy: how did you copy your chroot? are the file/devices permissions correct?
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| 19:03 | E.g. pastebin the output of this: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/wheezy/ ls -lha /dev
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| 19:07 | <anivair> hrm .... PXE-T01: File Not Found ..... that's a bother
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| 19:07 | I just installed the build client
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| 19:08 | "ltsp-build-client"
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| 19:08 | looks like it ran just fine
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> anivair: distro/version?
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| 19:10 | <anivair> ubuntu 12.04. I'm testing on some of hte old red diskless workstations clients
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| 19:11 | <alkisg> On the server: sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
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| 19:11 | And pastebin the output...
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| 19:12 | <anivair> IP-Config: eth0 hardware address 30:85:a9:a5:a1:5a mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
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| 19:13 | now it's sort of hanging
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| 19:13 | I'll start the clients again
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| 19:13 | <unkmar> do I need to reboot for it to work?
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| 19:13 | <anivair> ( I assume this is showing me log data?)
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> anivair: no, it should show a possible dhcp lease
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| 19:14 | Are you using 2 NICs?
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| 19:14 | <anivair> I am
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| 19:14 | 100.100.100.1 and 100.100.100.4
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> Then put eth1 there instead
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| 19:14 | <anivair> I can pull one
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> Ctrl+C the previous one...
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| 19:14 | <anivair> I've never used 2 nics on a server before. I was trying something new
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| 19:14 | <DJUnreal> bah
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| 19:14 | VRM is properly cooked
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> anivair: we're looking for the filename part, e.g.: IP-Config: wlan0 complete (from 192.168.1.254):
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| 19:15 | ... rootserver: 192.168.1.254 rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 19:15 | filename : /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 19:15 | <anivair> ^Crossman@ltsp:~$ sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth1
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| 19:15 | IP-Config: eth1 hardware address 30:85:a9:a5:a1:5b mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
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| 19:15 | IP-Config: eth1 complete (from 100.100.100.1):
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| 19:15 | address: 100.100.100.122 broadcast: 100.100.100.255 netmask: 255.255.255.0
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| 19:15 | gateway: 100.100.100.254 dns0 : 100.100.100.1 dns1 : 0.0.0.0
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| 19:15 | domain : ltsp
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| 19:15 | rootserver: 100.100.100.1 rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 19:15 | filename : /ltsp/i386/nbi.img
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> nbi is broken
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| 19:15 | Also, did you build an i386 chroot, or an amd64 one?
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| 19:15 | <anivair> I built sans arch
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| 19:16 | ltsp-build-client
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images will tell you
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| 19:16 | Do you see i386.img there, or amd64.img?
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| 19:16 | <anivair> should be 64
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| 19:16 | ... it is
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> Then, update your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match your arch
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| 19:16 | ..and, remove the if ... filename=nbi.img part
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| 19:16 | Force pxelinux.0 instead, because nbi is broken
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| 19:17 | If the client is too old, it might not work with amd64 though...
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| 19:17 | ...in that case you'll need to rebuild with --arch=i386
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| 19:19 | <anivair> how would you pull nbi? Just have both options default to pxe, or rewrite the whole if else statement?
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> comment out all the if statement, except for the filename=pxelinux part
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| 19:20 | You can also make both options default to pxelinux, that would work too...
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| 19:21 | Remember to restart dhcpd after the edit
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| 19:21 | <anivair> okay .... restarted. Here goes again
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| 19:22 | <lifeboy> alkisg: I tarred the directory, copied it and untarred it. http://pastebin.com/pQVuyVRs
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| 19:23 | <anivair> yeah, still no file found. My guess is that they will need the i386
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> lifeboy: seems ok, try with just SCREEN_07=shell, and inside the terminal there, startx
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| 19:23 | <anivair> I'll rebuild
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> anivair: no
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| 19:23 | The error message would be "kernel not supported by processor" or similar
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| 19:23 | Pastebin your dhcpd.conf
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| 19:23 | !pastebin
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| 19:23 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 19:25 | <anivair> sure
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| 19:26 | http://pastebin.com/aVzzBt04
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> anivair: line 14, change i386 to amd64
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| 19:27 | <anivair> ! derp .... why did I not see that?
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| 19:27 | <ltsp> Error: "derp" is not a valid command.
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| 19:27 | <anivair> derp derp
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| 19:28 | I'm dumb
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> What does the client say now?
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| 19:30 | <anivair> still working on it
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| 19:30 | I started the rebuild too early (jumped the gun) so I'll have to build it basck to amd64
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> anivair: nah
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| 19:30 | stop any builds and just try the new dhcpd file
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| 19:30 | The client will have enough data to tell you if it supports amd64 and pxelinux
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| 19:30 | So that you don't do many tests without results...
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| 19:31 | (only /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/pxelinux.0 is needed to test the client...)
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| 19:31 | E.g. if the client is tooooo old, and doesn't support pxelinux.0 at all, then you'll need a much older version than 12.04, one that supports nbi... e.g. 8.04
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| 19:32 | Or, if it doesn't support amd64, you'll know that you need to build -a i386
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| 19:32 | <anivair> they support pxe for sure. these are machines that currently work on my ltsp server
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| 19:32 | but i"ll let you know is a second
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| 19:34 | oh ... also I still have an amd64 image anyway
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| 19:34 | so that will help
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| 19:37 | that was a long way to walk to eat shit. Connecting fine, but the processors in those are i686, so it looks like I need to put all the i386 stuff back ... that said, once I do it should work
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> So the message was that the kernel doesn't support this processor? yup, go for i386 then
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| 19:38 | ltsp-build-client -a i386
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| 19:38 | <anivair> yeah
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| 19:38 | but that is a vast improvement
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| 19:38 | <anivair> thanks for putting backup eyes on my lame typoes
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> np :)
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| 19:45 | <anivair> well ... that's a bother.
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| 19:45 | booted into Busybox screen
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| 19:45 | hrm
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| 19:46 | not sure what that's about
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| 19:46 | it did look like it was loading fine
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| 19:46 | <lifeboy> alkisg: X starts, but into a very rudimentary X screen with a prompt: "roland@(non):~S"
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> lifeboy: ok, then it's not an X issue. Try again with this:
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| 19:47 | !screen_08
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| 19:47 | <ltsp> screen_08: To get a root shell on a Debian thin client, put SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_08=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=07 to lts.conf.
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| 19:53 | <anivair> additional info: I tested one of the most recent boxes from disklessworkstations. It also booted to Busybox though a) with a cleaner interface and b) I had a different loading splashscreen
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| 19:53 | <DJUnreal> double bah
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| 19:54 | now my server's playing silly
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| 19:54 | <anivair> the old box gave me a 12.04 screen. this one says ubuntu normally
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| 19:54 | same result in both cases
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| 19:54 | so i'm guessing it's not an nbd isue (which I feared)
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| 19:54 | <lifeboy> I only had SCREEN_07=ldm of those three. However, there is no SCREEN_07 (at least ctrl-alt-F7 doesn't switch to it, so could it be that /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf is not being "read" by the client?
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| 19:55 | alkisg:
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> lifeboy: getltscfg -a on the client
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| 19:58 | <lifeboy> LTSP_CONFIG="True"
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| 19:58 | SCREEN_07="ldm"
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| 19:58 | export LTSP_CONFIG
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| 19:58 | exports SCREEN_07
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| 19:58 | thanks all
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| 19:58 | thats all, I meant
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> No SCREEN_08 part?
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| 19:59 | <lifeboy> export SCREEN_07
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| 19:59 | no
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| 19:59 | <anivair> hrm .... should I HAVE an lts.conf file?
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> lifeboy: Pastebin your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and /opt/ltsp/wheezy/etc/lts.conf
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| 20:00 | anivair: it's not required to boot clients, no
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| 20:00 | <anivair> then i'm at a loss
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| 20:00 | sadly
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| 20:00 | busybox is pretty, but not ideal
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> anivair: I didn't understand your current issue, are you trying with your older server, or the new ltsp-build-client -a i386 one?
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| 20:00 | <anivair> I'm using the i386 on the new box (production server still works)
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> anivair: output of cat /proc/cmdline in the busybox shell?
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| 20:01 | <anivair> I made the changes before to i386. It tries to boot and gets data, but once everything loads it goes into busybox
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> Did ltsp-build-client -a i386 finished so soon? weird..
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| 20:01 | It usually takes 20 minutes or so..
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| 20:05 | <lifeboy> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/dGzxQ1mC
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| 20:06 | <anivair> ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nbd0 init=sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handofef=7 nbdroot=:ltsp_i386 BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz
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| 20:06 | <lifeboy> alkisg: it looks like it only reads the chroot lts.conf
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| 20:06 | <anivair> (whew!)
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| 20:06 | looks like I might have been wrong about it not being nbd
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> lifeboy: yes, are you using any non-standard dhcp setup?
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| 20:06 | <lifeboy> dnsmasq
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> in proxy mode?
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| 20:06 | <lifeboy> no
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| 20:07 | I'll pastebin my dnsmasq config file?
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> The lts.conf location is calculated based on the boot filename, yeah ok do that ^
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| 20:07 | anivair: some of these options are inappropriate for debian chroots
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| 20:07 | Remove splash plymouth and vt.handoff
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| 20:08 | <anivair> Yeah ... not sure where they came from
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| 20:08 | it's a brand new system. clean install and everything
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> anivair: ah wait a second
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| 20:08 | Sorry I mixed your case with lifeboy's
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| 20:08 | <anivair> heh
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| 20:08 | figured
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| 20:08 | it's an ubuntu system. 12.04
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> !quietsplash
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| 20:09 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'quietsplash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 20:09 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 20:09 | <lifeboy> alkisg: my dnsmasq config http://pastebin.com/VPq5VHui
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> anivair: do that ^ and then check for errors before the busybox shell, e.g. nbd errors
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| 20:10 | lifeboy: tail -F /var/log/syslog, then reboot the client, and check where it searches for lts.conf
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| 20:13 | <lifeboy> alkisg: "authenticated mount request from 172.16.0.20:936 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386)". Is that what I'm looking for?
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> lifeboy: ah sorry you're not using dnsmasq for the tftp server... are you using tftpd-hpa?
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| 20:14 | I think tftpd-hpa needs a "--verbose" option to enable logging...
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| 20:14 | <lifeboy> yes
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| 20:15 | <anivair> alkisg: here's the nbd stuff: Setting up nbd client: Error: Socket failed: Connection refused
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> lifeboy: (or just remove tftpd-hpa and enable-tftp in dnsmasq)
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| 20:15 | anivair: ls -l /opt/ltsp/images ==> pastebin,
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| 20:15 | <anivair> Also (if it matters): /scripts/init-bottom/ltsp: line 27: panic: not fouind
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> and, sudo service nbd-server restart
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| 20:16 | <anivair> http://pastebin.com/gZYfhSGE
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| 20:17 | http://pastebin.com/uRFgZmXm
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> anivair: finally, grep -rv '^#|^$' /etc/nbd-server ==> pastebin
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| 20:17 | and reboot client...
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| 20:18 | <anivair> http://pastebin.com/kDzFXWFR
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| 20:18 | rebooting
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| 20:23 | okay, progress. got to a login screen. Logged it. It gave me a desktop background, but no desktop interface
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| 20:23 | but a pretty screen is a step in the right direction, i guess
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| 20:23 | <lifeboy> I'm not sure what I should be looking for? http://pastebin.com/cyy2CEkj
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| 20:23 | alkisg:
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> !unity2d
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| 20:24 | <ltsp> Error: "unity2d" is not a valid command.
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> !unity
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| 20:24 | <ltsp> Error: "unity" is not a valid command.
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> !ubuntu2d
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| 20:24 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'ubuntu2d', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ubuntu-2d', 'ubuntu'
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> !ubuntu-2d
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| 20:24 | <ltsp> ubuntu-2d: To select ubuntu-2d as your default session, put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> anivair: probably a problem with unity, try this ^
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| 20:25 | <anivair> hrm .... no lts.conf still
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| 20:25 | I can copy the old one over, though
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| 20:25 | nm, there it is
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| 20:27 | <anivair> should I create that lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 or just use the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc?
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> tftpboot
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| 20:27 | <anivair> deal
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> lifeboy: do you have access to the client console? E.g. an unlocked root account to login to? If so, try this there: tftp server -c get /ltsp/i386/lts.conf /tmp/lts.conf
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| 20:29 | It appears that the client doesn't request an lts.conf at all, which is very weird
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| 20:31 | <lifeboy> alkisg: I added my tftp config to that pastebin http://pastebin.com/cyy2CEkj
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> lifeboy: and the output of ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
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| 20:32 | <lifeboy> Maybe I should remove the whole of LTSP, clean the directories of any remnants and re-install it. The /opt/ltsp stays if I do that, doesn't it?
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| 20:33 | alkisg: http://pastebin.com/dGzxQ1mC
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> Not grep, ls
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| 20:34 | <anivair> alkisg: sadly, no change.
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| 20:34 | <lifeboy> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1741 May 7 21:50 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 20:35 | <alkisg> lifeboy: I don't think reinstalling will help...
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| 20:35 | anivair: did you put [Default] on top of lts.conf ?
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| 20:35 | <anivair> ahh .... of course not
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| 20:35 | thanks
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| 20:36 | <lifeboy> I'm feel a bit like looking for needle in a haystack, but I suppose you have a better grasp on the various components of LTSP
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> lifeboy: get a root shell on the client to debug this, e.g. by setting a root password in the chroot + running ltsp-update-image
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| 20:36 | <lifeboy> I have that already
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> Then what's the output of the tftp command I said above?
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| 20:36 | tftp server -c get /ltsp/i386/lts.conf /tmp/lts.conf
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| 20:37 | <lifeboy> sorry, didn't see that earlier
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| 20:40 | it seems to didn't set a root password... gimme a moment
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| 20:44 | <anivair> alkisg: I'm in on the new box. the old boxes are still giving me graphics problems, but I'm going ot table that till tomorrow because my eyes are about to bleed out of my skull
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| 20:44 | thanks for the help
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> np, /me waves
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| 20:52 | <lifeboy> alkisg: I can't cut and paste from the client, but essentially it copied the file over correctly and it is the lts.conf that contains my settings
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| 20:54 | * lifeboy also needs to continue tomorrow | |
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| 21:35 | <DJUnreal> woohoo!
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| 21:36 | an hour or so, a full chassis swap and a bit of software jiggery-pokery later, and I've got my second server back in the game!
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| 21:38 | <unkmar> kill kill kill
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| 21:38 | Um,
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| 21:39 | I'm able to add printers but..... Nothing works right. In some cases the printer isn't seen.
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| 21:39 | In other cases, print jobs spit out gibberish. So, something is lost in translation.
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| 21:40 | And I've burned an entire day on this mess.
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| 22:24 | <unkmar> I'm done fighting linux lpr cupswrapper sort of supported printer driver hell.
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| 22:24 | They WILL buy a printer that is already listed. Not sorta kinda with coat hangers and duct tape.
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| 22:25 | Huge waste of my time and their money. Many other problems that I can't solve buy just throwing cash at it.
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| 23:22 | <ltspuser_36> nic /john_s
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| 23:23 | NIC/ john_s
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| 23:23 | hmm
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| 23:23 | <DJUnreal> try /nick
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| 23:24 | <ltspuser_36> I am too dumb to change my nick. oh well. I am hoping someone can tell me in a nut shell the difference between LTSP-Server_Standalone and LTSP-Server in debian?
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| 23:24 | <DJUnreal> easy
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| 23:24 | ltsp-server is literally just ltsp
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| 23:24 | <DJUnreal> ltsp-server-standalone includes all the other packages, like isc-dhcp-server, which you need to run ltsp on a single machine
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| 23:25 | if you have dhcp servers on the network already, you want to use ltsp-server
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| 23:25 | similarly with a bunch of other bits 'n' bobs
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| 23:25 | but if you don't have anything on the network where you're running your clients
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| 23:25 | you'll want ltsp-server-standalone
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| 23:25 | capiche?
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| 23:26 | <john_s> DJUnreal: thanks. I do already have a DHCP server, that was one of the reasons I was wondering. I saw some metion that pulse audio might not work with stand-alone
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| 23:26 | <DJUnreal> No Problem
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| 23:26 | and on that note
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| 23:26 | i'ts my bedtime
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| 23:26 | so i'll leave you to enjoy the night
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| 23:26 | * DJUnreal curls up under a blanket in the corner and snores quietly | |
| 23:28 | <john_s> I just spent a week trying to get LTSP to working properly on Ubuntu 12.04, so I thought I'd give debian a try
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| 23:29 | I
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| 23:30 | I've been running LTSP on Ubuntu 8.04 and then 10.04 for the last 6 years or so. I couldn't even get a thin client to boot properly on 12.04. Hopefully more joy with Debian
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