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Channel log from 8 March 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:52 | <alkisg> I've submitted the "Cannot umount /proc after using update-binfmts in a chroot" problem as a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binfmt-support/+bug/534211
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| 02:11 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hi, would diverting /sbin/modprobe be acceptable? (like we do with start-stop-daemon)?
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| 02:13 | <vagrantc> alkisg: as long as we can reliably pass arguments on...
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| 02:14 | in general, diversions should be avoided, if at all possible ...
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| 02:16 | <alkisg> It causes problem, e.g. that one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binfmt-support/+bug/534211
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| 02:17 | I might be able to divert update-binfmts instead, but I think modprobe is the root of the problem
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| 02:17 | So it would be more generic to disallow module loading on the chroot
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| 02:18 | <vagrantc> right... which seems like a good thing.
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| 02:18 | i.e. loading modules from the chroot seems like a bad idea.
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| 02:19 | though most cases would just break, no?
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| 02:19 | <alkisg> I'm not sure
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| 02:19 | * alkisg looks if he can conditionally blacklist things... | |
| 02:21 | <alkisg> Hmmm we could use the "install" modprob.conf command
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| 02:21 | I.e. 'if LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False then /sbin/modprobe ... else don't do anything'
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| 02:27 | <alkisg> Bah, nope, that doesn't solve the umount problem :(
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| 05:20 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 09:03 | <Pulga> I installed ltsp 5 in ubuntu 9.10, to the login okay, but the letters appear upside down on the screen in gnome, any idea??
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> !compiz
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| 09:03 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> Pulga: ^^
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| 09:04 | <Pulga> hi
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| 09:04 | this is the problem
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> Pulga: you must disable compiz
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| 09:04 | <Pulga> very crazy
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> yes
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| 09:04 | <Pulga> how to..
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> !compiz
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| 09:04 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> Pulga: ^^^^
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> Or you may remove the proprieratyr nvidia drivers from the server :)
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| 09:06 | <Pulga> I have a nvidia Inside
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| 09:06 | !!!
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| 09:06 | <ltspbot`> Pulga: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> Yes, nvidia on the server, intel on the clients
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| 09:07 | <Pulga> running : sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity solves the proble?
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:07 | But that disables compiz
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| 09:07 | So either of those will do
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| 09:07 | (disable compiz or remove the nvidia drivers)
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| 09:07 | <Pulga> what is compiz for??
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> Fancy window moving
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| 09:08 | <Pulga> ahh
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| 09:08 | I will remove nvidia
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| 09:08 | i think its better
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> sure, until the next thin client with a different driver that won't let you login due to compiz
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> Heh :D
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| 09:09 | <Pulga> thanks, I will try..... i doens't work i'm back
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> We need an anti-compiz moto
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> compiz would be fine if it just did proper checks
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> We do need to start filing bugs, though...
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| 09:10 | I don't think anyone has...
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> I sent in a patch
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> And? any responces?
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> that disables compiz for remote connections unless someone specifies SKIP_CHECKS="yes"
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| 09:10 | never got merged
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| 09:10 | :(
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> Yeah, I guess they need per-driver-fixes
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| 09:11 | ...which obviously we don't have the time for
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> well, it would be nice if you could *disable* compiz by env var at least
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| 09:11 | then, we could set the env var in LDM by default
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| 09:25 | <moldy> hi
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| 09:25 | on my terminal server, when a bunch of people is logged in, dbus runs crazy (100%cpu) and makes the system unuseable
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| 09:25 | is that a known issue? does anyone know anything about this?
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| 09:28 | <AndyGraybeal> moldy from colorado?
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> mgariepy: hi, would you have any clues about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/533964 ?
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| 09:32 | <mgariepy> hi
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| 09:34 | <mgariepy> i don't use screen_02=shell since i already have a shell on vt1 by default.
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> It happens with vt1 as well
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| 09:35 | I.e. with no lts.conf at all, I sometimes get ldm over vt1
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> So I lose the shell there...
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| 09:35 | <mgariepy> last week i fixed the openvt to switch to add the -s
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> And it improved things, but I think there's still a problem...
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| 09:36 | <mgariepy> with my tests last week this was working great, i might have an hour or so to test if i get the same issue here.
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| 09:36 | but i don't think it's gonna be today
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> It seems to be some race condition, I'm only having the problem half of the times (or less)
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| 09:37 | <mgariepy> last week i noticed that when i was logged on VT1, when killing Xorg, x was starting on the current vt.
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> Right
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| 09:37 | <mgariepy> it might have something to do with that.
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> And if start-stop-daemon 07 is called before start-stop-daemon 01, then the problem occurs - or something like that...
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> So I'm wondering if we should "prefer" switching to the vt with ldm?
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| 09:38 | (or rdesktop or...) :-/
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| 09:38 | <mgariepy> i think that would duplicate the code no ?
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| 09:39 | i'll do some testing this week, i'll let you know about my results
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> I mean, to only call chvt for that one vt, changing this code
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| 09:39 | Thank you :)
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| 09:41 | <moldy> AndyGraybeal: umm, no, sorry :)
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| 09:41 | <AndyGraybeal> k :)
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| 09:59 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 10:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi jammcq
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| 10:15 | <mgariepy> hey alkisg, for your shell/ openvt problem the problem arrive when you kill X or on logout ?
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> mgariepy: on boot
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| 10:16 | <mgariepy> ok
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> *but I've also seen it on kill x _and_ on logout
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| 10:20 | <mgariepy> alkisg, ok, i'm working ono this right now. i tought that the -s was working, but it doesn;t seam to be the case ;)
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> mgariepy: I'm more than willing to test whatever you may find :)
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| 10:25 | <mgariepy> i think i know what's happening, the change on screen_session is working the way it should.
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| 10:25 | this script isn't reexecuted on logout
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> But then why it isn't working correctly sometimes on the first boot?
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| 10:26 | (without even logging in?)
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| 10:30 | <mgariepy> if somehow the vt change, between the screen_session and the execution of the screen.d script, it's just get messed up.
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| 10:31 | so technicaly it's possible that both script are executed in parallele and the vt get confused.
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| 11:13 | <khris4> hello
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> Hi :)
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> I want to rename 090-clean-package-cache to 089-clean-package-cache. In plugins/Ubuntu, that is a symlink to the debian dir. I need to delete it and create a new symlink, right?
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| 12:00 | <AndyGraybeal> i don't know how to wrap my head around this, but i'm wondering -- is it possible to run a virtual machine kvm/qemu/libvirt as an ltsp server?
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| 12:01 | <MorpheusDe> Hi Folks - New to LTSP and using irc for the first time - hope you'll be a little bit patient with a noob....
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| 12:01 | Can someone point out to me whether it is possible or not to connect to a thin client's desktop via RDP from another box?
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal: sure. Personally I've used vbox for that, but I heard of others using kvm etc...
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| 12:03 | MorpheusDe: is that gnome?
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| 12:03 | <AndyGraybeal> thank you alkisg
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| 12:03 | <MorpheusDe> Working on Ubuntu (9.10) I have two clients booted up right now but when I choose the remote desktop preferences of course the IP of the server is shown - so how can I actually connect to one specific client?
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| 12:04 | Jepp - it's Gnome
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: you need to change the ip where vino-server is listening on
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| 12:04 | Otherwise all users would use 5900 - which isn't really possible
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| 12:04 | To do that, you need to run gconf-editor locally
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| 12:05 | And navigate to /desktop/gnome/remote_access/alternative_port
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| 12:05 | <MorpheusDe> Locally means on each thin client?
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 12:05 | On each *user*
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| 12:05 | There are other solutions, though, e.g. iTalc
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| 12:05 | Or x11vnc, or ...
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| 12:06 | <MorpheusDe> Being new to the whole topic I would like to stick to "standard" tools include by default first...
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> italc is the standard tool for ubuntu/ltsp
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| 12:06 | So that would be your best bet
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| 12:06 | <MorpheusDe> The tools you mention must be installed in the chroot, right?
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> No
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| 12:06 | So you can just disable *ALL* vino-servers (the one in the remote desktop preferences),
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| 12:07 | <MorpheusDe> So on the server itself, right?
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> and just install the italc-master package
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| 12:07 | Yes
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| 12:08 | <MorpheusDe> Please give me a sec - Will try adjusting the gconf-editor
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> OK. Again, this is the *non standard* way to do it.
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> alkisg, mgariepy: why do we do all this gymnastics with the vt switching? Why not simply switch vt to the lowest number of SCREEN_XX for all screens?
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| 12:16 | that way, you get a consistent default screen and you don't need to magically calculate things
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| 12:16 | <MorpheusDe> alksig: Ok changed the port using gconf-editor but I still can't access the specific client and because you've again pointed out that it is *not* the standard way do I get you right that your reccomended tool would be italc
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> Gadi, I think that if we switch to vt1, and we (supposedly) have ldm on vt7, then ldm will start on vt1 instead
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> alkisg: I am not suggesting switch to vt1
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: yes, I'd recomment italc over vino-server for ltsp.
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> I am suggesting that if SCREEN_07 is the only one defined, switch to vt7
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| 12:17 | if SCREEN_08 is also defined, switch to vt7
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Gadi, and what if we have multiple screens defined?
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| 12:17 | E.g. SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> if 09 -> still switch to vt7
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> So the lowest, except for vt1?
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| 12:18 | (I think vt1 is usable on fedora...)
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> the lowest of anything
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| 12:18 | we should not make exceptions
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Gadi, in that case, I *think* that X will start on vt1, independed of where you want it to start
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| 12:18 | (i.e. it uses the active console)
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> in what case?
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> In the default case, for example, where vt1=logs and vt7=ldm
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| 12:20 | <mgariepy> alkisg, i had the same problem, x as started on vt 2 instead of vt 7..
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> what Im saying is in the default case, SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 12:20 | so, it should switch to vt7
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| 12:21 | (if it even needs to switch - since openvt is already called with -c 7)
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> Gadi, if you run openvt -c 7 ldm, and quickly switch to vt2, you get ldm on vt2
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| 12:21 | (I think that) X uses the active vt
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> then, dont switch vt
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| 12:21 | :)
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> So we need to "guess" on which screen X is, _or_ we could do it all serially, not with parallel start-stop-daemons..
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| 12:22 | Gadi, I don't - but start-stop-daemon calls the screen scripts in parallel
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> we chvt in our code atm
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| 12:23 | what happens if we don't?
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> I believe ldm will start on vt1 then.
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| 12:23 | (haven't tried, though)
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> I think ur wrong
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| 12:23 | :)
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> afaik, we introduced the chvt to make the transition prettier
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> I hope so :)
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| 12:24 | (that I'm wrong)
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> in any event, I think we *should* have a default screen when multiple ones are defined
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| 12:24 | and not leave it as a race
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> Choosing the highest would make more sense to me than the lowest, as vt1 containst text usually
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> which means, if we have 02, 07, 08, 09, .... by default it always goes to 02 OR an lts.conf-specified preferred screen
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| 12:26 | vt1 is only a choice if someone does SCREEN_01
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> vt1 is active, it's opened by the initscripts (not ours)
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> right, but I am saying limit the choices to those SCREEN_XX defined
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> I'd still use the highest one for X...
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| 12:28 | ...but anyway, I don't think my knowledge on VTs is good enough to allow me to express any opinions :)
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> lol
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| 12:28 | chicken
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| 12:28 | <mgariepy> hehe lol
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> ...so... I can test whatever you guys choose :)
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| 12:29 | <mgariepy> to spawn screen.d scripts to to the correct VT, you suggest we do what exactly Gadi ?
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> Well, I could tell you all about consoles on Windows, though :P
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> mgariepy: so, first we need to know whether in the absence of any additional "chvt" calls, openvt -c <vt_num> will attach the resulting screen script to <vt_num>
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> btw, (07:45:58 μμ) alkisg: I want to rename 090-clean-package-cache to 089-clean-package-cache. In plugins/Ubuntu, that is a symlink to the debian dir. I need to delete it and create a new symlink, right?
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> mgariepy: right now, with all the added vt siwtching code, that much is unclear
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> mgariepy: if it does, then we are causing a problem by running openvt and quickly switching vts away from where openvt puts us
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| 12:33 | mgariepy: if we *need* our chvts to make openvt attach to the right place, then the chvt needs to happen in the screen session itself, meaning in a screen-session.d/ scipt
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| 12:33 | but, I don't believe the latter to be the case
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| 12:34 | mgariepy: if at the end of the day, we are looking for "prettiness of transition", we should *only* do chvt in screen_session.d/ AND have all chvts go to the same vt
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| 12:34 | so, whichever screen script is initialized, they all init and switch
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| 12:34 | tho, maybe the switch should happen post-X init, meanining in xinitrc.d/
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| 12:36 | <mgariepy> -w wait for command to complete. If -w and -s are used together then openvt will switch back to the controlling terminal when the command completes.
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| 12:38 | i'll remove all openvt option but the -c and do some testing, i'll post my result on lp:533964
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> I'd like to commit that (http://alkisg.pastebin.com/DxrEsbSJ) as plugins/common/090-umount-dirs. Does it look cross-distro "enough"? johnny? cyberorg?
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> ah, yeah, thats kinda what we want
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| 12:39 | try adding -s
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| 12:39 | we don't use that at the moment
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| 12:39 | <mgariepy> -s is already there
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| 12:40 | ;) i added it last week
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| 12:40 | r1697
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| 12:40 | <Gadi> alkisg: what version were you using?
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> trunk
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| 12:41 | <mgariepy> but it doesn't behave correctly. when the terminal is started, if i do chvt 1, pkill X, then X start on vt 1
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> (i.e. with mgariepy's fix - it's a little better, but still suffers from race conditions)
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| 12:42 | * Gadi doesn't think we should have all this code with "if current tty is different than screen_num, switch, etc" | |
| 12:42 | <mgariepy> if i kill screen_session 07, start it over again with start-stop-deamon the vt is always right ;)
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> it does not make sense to me
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> I think vagrantc has remove some of that for debian
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> I don't believe X initializes on a vt until you switch to it when it is run from openvt
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> Not using chvt at all would be great, if it works.
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| 12:47 | <mgariepy> give me 10 or so min i'll tell you if it works
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> actually, the cleanest code might be to only add the "-s" flag to openvt for a particular screen_num
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| 12:48 | (that screen_num being the default)
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| 12:50 | <mgariepy> i thinks that the problem is that screen_session calculate "CURTTY_NUM, TTY_NUM, etc.. " outside of the main loop. and it's not true when it gets into the loop.
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| 12:51 | <MorpheusDe> alksig: Thank you for recommendig italc looks like a pretty powerful software - Now I only got to figure out how it works - I can start it on the lts server itself but that was not what I wanted. Don't get me wrong I don't want you guys help me figure out how to deal with that piece of software - just to clarify that I can do with it what I want - The main point for me is to control thin clients from another physically separated workstation
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| 12:51 | <mgariepy> maybe we would just need to refresh those.
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> mgariepy: I think "-s" obviates the need to calculate any vts
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| 12:52 | unless we need to chvt
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| 12:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> MorpheusDe: do you need anymore functionality aside from the simple means of controlling another thin client? i.e messaging, screen locking, monitoring but not controlling?
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| 12:52 | <MorpheusDe> It's just meant for remote support....
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| 12:53 | sorry - that was not very clear - remote control is the main feature I want
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| 12:53 | this is the reason I asked for remote desktop in the first place
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: you wrote "alksig" so I didn't know you were talking to me - use <tab> :)
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| 12:54 | MorpheusDe: you can use italc to remote support your clients even from a windows workstation in a different subnet
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| 12:55 | MorpheusDe: do you want to use it from an ltsp client? or from another ubuntu workstation? or from another os?
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| 12:56 | <johnny> i upgraded to karmic last night..
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| 12:56 | <MorpheusDe> alright - thank you guys - you got more important stuff to discuss here - so the only thing left todo is to figure out how to use it on the remote workstation now - right now it complains about the service that's not running - but the service is of course running on the ltsp machine.... I gues rtfm is now the thing todo :-)
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| 12:56 | <johnny> i have some questions for fat clients for you now alkisg ...
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| 12:56 | but i think i'm gonna wait til tomorrow to ask em
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: some quick tips:
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| 12:57 | <MorpheusDe> from another ubuntu workstation
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: (1) copy the italc keys from /etc/italc, from the ltsp server to the other workstation,
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| 12:57 | (2) add the "controller" user to the admin group
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| 12:57 | (3) logoff/logon for the changes to take effect
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| 12:58 | (1) is a little hard, you need to get the permissions + the owner right.
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| 12:58 | johnny: shoot :)
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| 12:59 | <MorpheusDe> alright - thank you - give me some minutes - will try it...
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| 12:59 | <mgariepy> Gadi, alkisg updating the image now, we'll be fixed soon if it works great (i think) ;)
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> Great
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| 13:04 | <johnny> there are now 3 options..
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| 13:05 | --fatclient, --high-fat, --fatclient-desktop
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| 13:05 | <mgariepy> Gadi, alkisg my ttys got mixed again.
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| 13:05 | <johnny> until i upgraded to stgraber ppa in karmic.. there were only the first 2
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> johnny: There's no --high-fat option - that's nubae's plugin
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| 13:05 | Do remove that one..
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| 13:06 | --fatclient == autodetection, --fatclient-desktop==specify a specific desktop (e.g. ubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop-gnome etc)
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| 13:06 | <johnny> ah..
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| 13:06 | so.. if i have 512mb ram.. what should i use :)
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> I'm guessing... lubuntu? :D
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| 13:06 | I'd go for standard ubuntu ;)
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| 13:06 | <johnny> ok
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| 13:07 | so.. how hard is it to have 2 computers fat client and 1 not?
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> How much ram on the "not" one?
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| 13:08 | <johnny> 256 or 128.. i can't recall
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> With 256, it's pretty easy, you just use LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in lts.conf.
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| 13:08 | <johnny> ah
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> With 128 you either need to disable some services, or use a different chroot
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| 13:09 | <johnny> ok..
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> (a thin one)
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| 13:09 | <johnny> thanks alkisg .. that's all i needed to know
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> johnny: I don't really like the ltsp-build-client --extra-help description of --fatclient, could you come up with something better?
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| 13:10 | Now they're both the same... I didn't want to change them myself, being non-native speaker, but I think someone should
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| 13:10 | <mgariepy> Gadi, http://pastebin.com/vdrNShuG
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| 13:10 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Controller user is my primary user that is a member of the admin group on the workstation anyway - Do the keys have to be owned by that user?
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| 13:10 | <johnny> so.. what about --fat-client-desktop vs --fat-client ?
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| 13:10 | <mgariepy> i think i'm missing something do i ?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: ls -lha -R /etc/italc/keys on the server ==> see the permissions there, and duplicate them
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| 13:11 | (09:07:02 μμ) alkisg: --fatclient == autodetection, --fatclient-desktop==specify a specific desktop (e.g. ubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop-gnome etc)
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| 13:11 | johnny: so, --fatclient would use xubuntu-desktop, if your server already had xubuntu
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| 13:11 | <mgariepy> Gadi, with this on my first boot, vt 2 and vt7 (shell and ldm) ldm got spawned on vt2 instead of vt7.
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> Right, I think X uses the active vt
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| 13:12 | So we need to do at least one switching
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| 13:14 | <johnny> alkisg, ok..
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| 13:14 | ah.. now i get it
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| 13:14 | ok.. fatclient it is ..
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| 13:14 | thanks alkisg ..
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> np
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| 13:14 | <mgariepy> screen-x-common, line 41
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| 13:15 | damn
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| 13:15 | fgconsole to calculate the vt to use.. the problem isn't X is this script.
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| 13:17 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Alright permissions fixed - but do I not have to tell the italc app to look on the remote server ip for the running service - can't find an option for that...
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> mgariepy: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging/annotate/head%3A/patches/revert-fgconsole.dpatch
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| 13:17 | MorpheusDe: is that on the local network (same subnet)?
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| 13:18 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Yepp
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: restart everything, to make sure everything's running properly. It should autodetect all the clients on the local network.
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| 13:18 | So you don't need to specify any IPs at all.
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| 13:18 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: wks 192.168.250.130 --> ltsp machine: 192.18.250.223
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| 13:19 | alkisg: Opps - Sorry - wks 192.168.250.130 --> ltsp machine: 192.168.250.223
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: it only works for logged on users, though, so you need to login for the clients to get autodetected
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| 13:21 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Clients are up and when I start italc on one of the thin clients itself it works - When i start the italc software on the separate workstation it keeps complaining about the fact that there's no service running on the local (the workstation) machine....
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: and you've rebooted that workstation?
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| 13:24 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Sorry - no - A reboot of the whole machine's necessary? It's the machine I'm writing from right now... I don't want to keep bugging you with so much non development related stuff.... I will check again that I have everything set up correctly and will try again 2mrow - Had a long day so far - Thank's again for all your help
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: ok, open a terminal, and run: ica-launcher &
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| 13:25 | then, try to run italc again.
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| 13:28 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: thx - interface's up...
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| 13:28 | <mgariepy> alkisg, do you know why this is not in ltsp-trunk ?
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: do you seee the other clients?
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| 13:29 | mgariepy: no - I think vagrantc didn't like the ubuntu changes, and he reverted them, but I've no idea who did the ubuntu changes, didn't look...
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| 13:29 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: right now I only see the workstation itself - just wanted to try to use the support button and give it a try...
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: do you have any other users logged on?
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| 13:30 | * Gadi has no idea why we use fgconsole at all if we specify SCREEN_XX | |
| 13:30 | <Gadi> we should always just use XX
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| 13:30 | where XX=tty
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| 13:31 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Yepp I do - two thin clients are up
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: what do you get with: avahi-browse -trp _italc._tcp
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| 13:33 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Among others: =;eth0;IPv4;italc\032root;_italc._tcp;local;lts.local;192.168.250.223;5902;"lts" "fbffecaafcdc7cd39357cf34d61f9f37" "fc6ca0d44c2d800d38cf6d452c7c1c19" "70a2424e2f427abf08d9df9acd8f6db0"
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: that one only?
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| 13:33 | You should be seeing 3 of them
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| 13:34 | If you're seeing more, put all of them to pastebin
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| 13:34 | !pastebot
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| 13:34 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 13:34 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Nope - the other ones are all related to other networks
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: this command only looks for italc clients
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| 13:35 | There are italc clients on other networks near you?
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| 13:35 | MorpheusDe: on the thin clients that are logged on, did you log them on *after* italc was installed?
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| 13:35 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: No - there all just all the IPs of the workstation listed: Two physical nics and two nics from a local VM ware server
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> They need to logoff/logon for the service to get loaded.
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| 13:36 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: yepp - clients were logged on before the local (workstation) italc was installed - log out - log in again on the clients?
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> The server italc installation is the important part here, as the clients get that installation
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| 13:37 | Do try to log them off/on in any case...
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| 13:38 | <MorpheusDe> alkisg: Awesome!
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| 13:39 | You guys rock!
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| 13:39 | * alkisg guesses that it works.. :) | |
| 13:39 | <Gadi> mgariepy: can you try calling this in screen_session: ${openvt} -s -f -w -c ${TTY_NUM} -- TTY_NUM=${TTY_NUM} ${SCRIPT_DIR}/${SCREEN_SCRIPT} ${SCREEN_ARGS}&
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| 13:39 | <MorpheusDe> Thank's a lot - Way more than I asked for - That's a great piece of software!
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> mgariepy: and then have screen-x-session use TTY_NUM
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| 13:40 | mgariepy: instead of fgconsole
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| 13:41 | <mgariepy> ok i'll test this as soon as i have my thin client up and running again. i had a crash ;)
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| 14:00 | <X-Raimo> hi all. I have server with sound card, it works as LTSP Server. Currently, when client plays music it plays from server's speakers. And my ltsp-clients with their sound cards need to play music via their own sound cards.
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| 14:09 | <AndyGraybeal> my staff wants to use their jumpydrives (stickdrive, thumbdrive, etc) but it's not letting them 'safely remove' them. is there a configuration i can change to make it so they can safely unmount them?
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> X-Raimo: distro/version?
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| 14:12 | AndyGraybeal: you can safely remove them after 2 seconds - it flushes every 2 secs
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| 14:12 | <AndyGraybeal> aah thank you!
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| 14:14 | <X-Raimo> alkisg: debian lenny and ltsp Version: 5.1.98-1
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> X-Raimo: gnome?
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| 14:15 | <johnny> probably kde?
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| 14:15 | nubae had the same problem
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| 14:15 | <X-Raimo> alkisg: kde3
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> k, no idea there. It should be using pulse and redirecting it to the clients, but i've no idea how that should work on kde
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| 14:16 | <johnny> do we have any ltsp devs who use kde at all?
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> Some day kde will be using pulse by default and will make things easier :D
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| 14:18 | <X-Raimo> alkisg: I prefer solution without pulse if possible. If it's not possible, then how and where (at server or at chrooted /opt/ltsp/) to setup pulseaudio?
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> X-Raimo: try again later on, others, more experienced on debian/kde might be here. I guess you'll need pulseaudio on the server, but I don't know how you're supposed to set it up.
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| 14:21 | <X-Raimo> alkisg: can nas or esd can be alternative to pulse?
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| 14:21 | <mgariepy> Gadi, i won't have time to fix this today. i got an emergency to attend to, i'll be able to do more testing later this week.
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> I think esd worked at some time, but I also think it's been years since someone tested it.
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| 14:21 | mgariepy: thanks though :)
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| 14:22 | <mgariepy> maybe tonight but i don't have ltsp setup at home.
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| 14:22 | i'll check what i can do.
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| 14:25 | <johnny> X-Raimo, pulse is the future..
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| 14:25 | so. don't bother fighting it
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| 14:28 | <Lns> johnny is borg...resistance to pa is futile
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| 14:28 | =p
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| 14:35 | <X-Raimo> alkisg: how to understand whatever LTSP server uses pulse to play audio or not?
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| 14:38 | <Lns> X-Raimo: SOUND_DAEMON variable in lts.conf should tell you if it's there, not sure what default is in debian
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> X-Raimo: you don't need to muck with the chroot - it should have everything you need. If you are using KDE, you should set the server sessions to use pulse
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| 14:50 | (or esd - as pulse is backwards compatible with esd)
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| 14:51 | alsa will most likely work, as well
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| 14:51 | if it is properly set to use a pulse output
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| 14:54 | <X-Raimo> Gadi: ok. Am I right: I need to make pulse as my default sound daemon at server. And in my KDE3 settings
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> default sound output or system (the *daemon* actually runs on the thin client)
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> but, in general, yes
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| 14:56 | <X-Raimo> Gadi: I will try as soon as possible (in next 15-20 minutes)
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> when you log in through LDM, an environment variable is set for the session that tells it which daemon to connect to
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| 14:56 | (set to the IP of the thin client, of course)
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| 14:57 | if sound is coming out the server, it is most likely because your session talks to artsd (default for kde) which talks to the server erroneously
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| 14:57 | you may also want to check your settings for ~/.asoundrc
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| 14:59 | (which configures alsa -> this file can be used to redirect alsa to pulse)
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| 14:59 | <X-Raimo> Gadi: can you give a sample of ~/.asoundrc please?
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> actually, it looks like on debian, you may be better off with /etc/asound.conf as per: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg35007.html
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| 15:36 | <dlandry> Anyone available for a localapps question?
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| 15:37 | I have localapps set up on karmic. I am able to run xterm, evince, abiword. mtr as localapps but not firefox.
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| 15:37 | When I do ltsp-localapps firefox I get nothing.
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| 15:38 | <johnny> did you install firefox in the chroot?
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| 15:38 | and then rebuild your image?
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| 15:38 | hmm..
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| 15:38 | dlandry, did you also try typing firefox in the local xterm?
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| 15:39 | that's what i did to test mine..
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| 15:39 | <dlandry> yes. firefox is in the chroot and I tried it from the local xterm.
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| 15:39 | ...and I rebuilt the image
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| 15:39 | <johnny> did it work from local xterm?
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| 15:40 | it takes like 10 minutes for it to come up for me..
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| 15:40 | <dlandry> No, but all the other apps I mentioned did
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| 15:40 | <johnny> no console output either?
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| 15:40 | sorry.. not 10 minutes.. more like 3
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| 15:41 | <dlandry> No - just empty space
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| 15:41 | <johnny> ah.. no idea
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| 16:41 | <AndyGraybeal> my video is really glitchy after i changed a setting in lts.conf
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| 16:41 | :(
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| 16:41 | <Appiah> change it back!
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| 16:41 | <AndyGraybeal> which i backed up my image :(
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| 16:42 | can i use # symbols to remark?
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| 16:42 | in lts.conf?
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| 16:42 | <X-Raimo> AndyGraybeal: yes
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| 16:44 | <AndyGraybeal> thanks X-Raimo
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| 16:44 | <X-Raimo> AndyGraybeal: you're welcome
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| 16:45 | <X-Raimo> I have problems with pulseaudio http://paste.org.ru/?dyd9jg Both at server and clients as well
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| 16:47 | <AndyGraybeal> do you guys backup images before you do an ltsp-update-image ?
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| 16:47 | cause i think that's wha i should have done :(
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| 17:22 | <johnny> AndyGraybeal, i backup my chroot.. not the image
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| 17:53 | <AndyGraybeal> johnny: okay nice
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| 18:14 | <AndyGraybeal> does anyone knwo if LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true works in ubuntu 8.10?
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| 18:16 | <abeehc> i know it works in 9.04
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| 18:16 | <AndyGraybeal> thank you abeehc
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| 18:17 | <abeehc> you want LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD defined as well of course
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| 18:19 | <AndyGraybeal> yea, how do you define your machiens with MAC hardware addresses or IP addresses?
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| 18:19 | and is the password in cleartext?
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| 18:21 | <map7> I'm getting the error: 'mount: according to mtab, aufs is already mounted on /' when trying to boot my thin client can anyone help me?
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| 18:21 | I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 64bit on the server and have created a 32bit client image
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| 18:25 | <AndyGraybeal> abeehc: when i try to autologin in 8.10, my video gets all glitchy on the client.
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| 18:35 | <abeehc> i do it with mac addresses, yes plaintext as far as the lts.conf file goes
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| 18:36 | but normal login works alright?
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| 18:36 | make sure you got the right password set and the like
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| 18:36 | i would run into something similar when my likewise auth was busted and wouldn't accept the password
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| 18:36 | the autologin happens so quick you can't tell what's going on from the client as i recall
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| 18:37 | <steve__> can anyone help me with ltsp-cluster?
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| 18:40 | <AndyGraybeal> abeehc: yea, normal login works fine, plus it actually looks like it logs in.. but the screen goes to hell.. like completely glitched out... like the display adapter got fried.
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| 18:42 | <abeehc> i'm not sure about that.. you shoudl enable ssh and look around the clients' /var/log
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| 18:42 | <AndyGraybeal> aah okay
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| 18:43 | abeehc: i'm sorry, but i don't know how to do that -- install openssh server locally onto that machine?
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| 18:43 | can i do a ctrl-alt-f2 or something to get to a console?
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| 18:44 | <abeehc> you can
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| 18:44 | but i imagine X might be looping and it'll mess around with you
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| 18:44 | maybe not
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| 18:44 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, i don't know eitherway.
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| 18:44 | tell me about this ssh you were talking about please.
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| 18:45 | steve__: i asked that question before and i think i was referred to sbalneav but i could be wrong.
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| 18:45 | <mgariepy> AndyGraybeal, does your autologin accounts are parts of the groups audio/video/fuse ?
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| 18:45 | <abeehc> AndyGraybeal: have you unlocked the client root account?
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| 18:46 | <AndyGraybeal> mgariepy: hmm audio/video... but yes fuse ... i didn't realize there was an audio/video group
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| 18:46 | abeehc: i don't think i've unlocked the client root account, no -- i'm sorry this is new territory for me.
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| 18:46 | <abeehc> no worries
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| 18:47 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UnlockChrootRootAcct
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| 18:47 | pretty much gotta do that before ssh i think
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| 18:47 | <AndyGraybeal> k thank yuo.
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| 18:47 | <mgariepy> AndyGraybeal, does the autologin account belong to the same groups then your regular account ?
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| 18:48 | <abeehc> when I asked if normal login worked I assumed you'd be using the same account credentials as you have configured for autologin
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| 18:49 | <AndyGraybeal> autologin is for existing users, not for it's own account ... i'm sorry -- i have them in fuse.
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| 18:50 | <steve__> thanks andy, my question concerns load balancing rdp clients... if anyone knows anything that would be great
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| 18:50 | <mgariepy> anyone here having problem with vt + ltps5.2 ?
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| 18:50 | <AndyGraybeal> mgariepy: your question is a little confusign to me - my account has admin and other groups. these accounts have 'workers' and 'fuse'
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| 18:50 | <mgariepy> i would like a tester for my patch.
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| 18:51 | AndyGraybeal, what are the other groups ?
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| 18:51 | <AndyGraybeal> why are you asking? you think i should try to autologin as myself to see what happens?
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| 18:52 | <mgariepy> AndyGraybeal, if you use the same account like abeehc like said, for autologin and for regular login do you have the same issue ?
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| 18:52 | <AndyGraybeal> aah no no.. it is the same login
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| 18:53 | so say - 'mariposa' is the login i would nromally use -- and 'mariposa' is the one i'm usign to autologin - it's the same -- i don't know why we got off on this tangent, i'm sorry -- it's because i don't fully understand what your saying.
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| 18:53 | thye can login just fine when i type the passwords.
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| 18:54 | <abeehc> ok right on
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| 18:55 | and in lts.conf you have the mac address or ip defined, and then the three autologin lines?
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| 18:55 | <AndyGraybeal> i swear the passwords are okay -- and it looks like they DO login... automatically - but i can't really be sure because the screen has gone mostly to static... like i've busted my video card.
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| 18:56 | abeehc: i've tried both ip and mac addresses, plus #LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true
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| 18:56 | <abeehc> ok, try to get a console via ctrl+alt+f1
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| 18:56 | <AndyGraybeal> er i didn't mean to hit enter
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| 18:56 | <abeehc> once the video is messing up
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| 18:56 | <AndyGraybeal> pls LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true in either [default] or under the address (just for kicks)
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| 18:56 | okay thank you abeehc
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| 18:57 | <abeehc> i don't think you ever want that under default
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| 18:58 | sorry I'm pretty sure you need to first unlock the root account for ctrl+alt+f1 console to be usefull
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| 18:59 | <mgariepy> or do a SCREEN_02=shell ?
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| 18:59 | <abeehc> ah yeah that is likely even easier
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| 18:59 | i've never tried that though
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| 19:00 | <mgariepy> sbalneav, are you around ?
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| 19:00 | <AndyGraybeal> abeehc: thank you guys, this is great information.
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| 19:02 | <mgariepy> AndyGraybeal, you are welcome ;)
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| 19:08 | <AndyGraybeal> okay this is off-topic, how do you get a group of people to work on the same documents; for instance when someone creates a document it doesn't assign write permissions for the group by default, just group read.
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| 19:09 | <johnny> umask is one way..
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| 19:09 | editing the umask..
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| 19:09 | but depending on the document..
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| 19:09 | <AndyGraybeal> okay, i've never heard of that
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| 19:09 | <johnny> it's easier to just use a webservice
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| 19:09 | like etherpad
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| 19:09 | <AndyGraybeal> we are using openoffice
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| 19:09 | <johnny> perhaps you might want to just use google docs
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| 19:09 | or something similiar
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| 19:09 | <AndyGraybeal> we also use scribus and other things
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| 19:10 | <johnny> well.. if you plan on tracking changes.. you might want to store them in a version control system
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| 19:10 | <AndyGraybeal> yea, we're not there yet - but thank you for that bit of informaiton because it is important.
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| 19:31 | <mgariepy> if someone can review this to make sure i don't break anything :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1705
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