IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 July 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:37 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: an alternative... pam_mounts can mount directories when a session starts, as opposed to when a folder is accessed: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/en/man5/pam_mount.conf.5.html
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| 03:37 | Search for "tmpfs mounts " there
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| 03:58 | * alkisg looks into pam_exec script-that-erases-the-user-home-dir instead... | |
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| 09:41 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg: do you always wake up around 3-4 AM with ideas for LTSP solutions? :)
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| 11:29 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, heya bro
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| 11:29 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy. :)
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| 11:32 | <andygraybeal> stinky backup tapes are full
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| 11:32 | grrr
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| 11:32 | one of our fridgerators is down
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| 11:33 | someone found it at 55 degrees this morning.
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| 11:33 | i had a 13+ hour shift last night, i'm just gonna suck down a little more coffee before i replace the backup tape
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| 11:57 | <Hyperbyte> Why do people still use backup tapes?
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| 11:57 | I never quite got that.
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| 12:07 | <andygraybeal> yea, i don't know i guess i'm just used to it
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| 12:07 | what do yuo ues?
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| 12:07 | you use?
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| 12:07 | <Hyperbyte> I have three servers, one of which is located in a datacenter
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| 12:08 | Every server rsync's /backup/server1 and /backup/server2 with the other two's data.
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| 12:08 | <andygraybeal> don't the transfers end up being expensive?
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| 12:09 | <Hyperbyte> So every server has a copy of the other two. Plus I have one server completely seperate from the rest, which has lots of storage, and backs up all three.
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| 12:09 | You mean data traffic?
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| 12:09 | <andygraybeal> yea
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| 12:09 | and do you keep like.. every other month archived or something?
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| 12:09 | <Hyperbyte> I have 2 TB traffic limit on both sides.
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| 12:10 | That I could, but I don't.
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| 12:11 | <andygraybeal> i guess i'm comfortable with tape. it's what i've used since .. i dunno 15 years now
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| 12:11 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 12:11 | I'd hate any backup method which requires human intervention.
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| 12:12 | <andygraybeal> i keep'em in a fireproof safe on site, and once a month i transfer a tape offsite.
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| 12:13 | i guess, i have a bunch of servers that end up rsyncing to another server here on site, and then i offload that to tape
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| 12:14 | yea, i've thought about not using tape.... i guess i suck.
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| 12:14 | <Hyperbyte> Naaaah
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| 12:14 | To each their own... plus our method is quite expensive. Not so much the data traffic, that's not a problem really in the Netherlands... it's the disk space usage that's killing.
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| 12:14 | <andygraybeal> aah okay, i didn't think that.
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| 12:15 | yea, i don't think we could afford the traffic over the wire, aside from disk space.
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| 12:15 | <Hyperbyte> We have 250 GB company data...
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| 12:16 | <andygraybeal> lemme look at one of my fulls... to get a size of what we have
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| 12:16 | <Hyperbyte> I make incremental backups, so the data traffic is minimal. But every server needs to have at least 300 GB disk space to backup all other servers
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| 12:16 | <andygraybeal> i do a full every month :)
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| 12:16 | incremental ever day :)
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| 12:16 | we used to do diffs once a week in my old job
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| 12:17 | but i decided that it was a little overkill
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| 12:17 | we have 30GB :)
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| 12:17 | total
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| 12:17 | it is growing
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| 12:18 | <andygraybeal> i just started backing up our emial because our old provider is poop.
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| 12:18 | and we are going to have a big push to get things off of paper, so we can clear out some filing cabinets.
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| 12:21 | <Hyperbyte> We've been scanning most of our documents for the past year or two
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| 12:22 | <andygraybeal> what machine do you use?
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| 12:22 | <Hyperbyte> Data grows quite fast then
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| 12:22 | Scanner/
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| 12:22 | ?
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| 12:22 | <andygraybeal> i been thinking about a fijitsu 6130 or something
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| 12:22 | yea
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| 12:22 | it's about $900
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| 12:22 | <Hyperbyte> Epson GT-20000
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| 12:22 | <andygraybeal> lemme look it up
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| 12:22 | do you use a document management system?
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| 12:22 | <Hyperbyte> I do.
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| 12:23 | <andygraybeal> which??
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| 12:23 | <Hyperbyte> Scanner is quite nice, but I never got the drivers working under Linux
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| 12:23 | Have an RDP desktop just for the Epson scan application. :\
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| 12:23 | Higher models include a server inside the scanner, so you can just press button on the scanner and pick the files up from FTP or SMB or something
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| 12:24 | In hindsight that would've been better. :\
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| 12:24 | Document management system is built into our CRM, I made it myself.
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| 12:24 | <andygraybeal> yea, i been looking at the fujitsu 6130. and it says 'sane' works completely with it. yea, someone mentioned a scanner with smtp capability.. so you could just send it to a fileserver
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| 12:25 | <Hyperbyte> That would be my choice.
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| 12:25 | <andygraybeal> hah, i could never develop something like that
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| 12:25 | <Hyperbyte> Either a scanner with fileserver built in, or method of delivering to a fileserver.
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| 12:25 | <andygraybeal> yea, as long as sane works completely, i think i'm covered. it's got an ADF also
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| 12:25 | <Hyperbyte> We picked the Epson GT-20000 because some of our client forms were A3 format.
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| 12:26 | <andygraybeal> i have to use an RDP desktop for some of our orders caues the websites use ... what is it.. that IE proprietary technology... can't remember.. al lthat is coming to my mind is 'activex'.. and that isn't right.
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| 12:26 | i wonder if fujitsu 6130 can handle a3 /me looks
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| 12:26 | <Hyperbyte> Folded through the middle... idea was to scan them whole, and then cut the pages loose afterwards. Right after we bought the scanner someone came with the idea to make it so the A3 form is easily torn into two A4 papers through the middle, to make it easier.
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| 12:27 | I think the scanner has processed A3 paper maybe... five times.
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| 12:27 | Heh
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| 12:29 | (oh, the Epson GT-20000 has ADF as well by the way... seperate part that can be mounted on top)... still I wouldn't recommend an A3 scanner if you're only gonna scan A4 paper.
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| 12:30 | <andygraybeal> yea, i don't even think US deals with A3 now that i'm looking into it
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| 12:30 | the most is legal
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| 12:30 | er i mean the most is 8.5x11 inches (which is nearly a4)
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| 12:30 | but we would maybe use legal once and a while... which is not near what A3 is
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| 12:32 | <Hyperbyte> 8.5x11 = letter
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| 12:32 | Isn't it?
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| 12:33 | In Europe A4 is standard. A3 is twice A4, A2 is twice A3, A1 is twice A2.... and A5 is half A4, etc...
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| 12:36 | <andygraybeal> yea, 8.5x11 = letter
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| 12:38 | confusing :)
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| 12:42 | we've had a week long festival of beer in my little town. and today is the big bash... they call 'boogie on the bricks' .. it's a big drunken street party
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| 12:45 | <Hyperbyte> So what are you doing inside? :P
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| 12:45 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 12:46 | <Hyperbyte> Or you don't like these kind of parties?
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| 12:46 | <andygraybeal> i don't mind 'em. i can't enjoy them because i work them.
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| 12:46 | i mean i still enjoy them though :)
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| 12:47 | but normally i work, like our restaurant is a part of the festival
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| 12:47 | like, yesterday, i pulled 13 hour shift at the restaurant
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| 12:48 | prepping and roasting food
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| 12:48 | i do all the computer stuff in my spare time
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| 12:49 | like, i just started running our own mail server.. which is exciting!
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| 12:50 | this past winter we launched our new joomla based website :)
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| 12:53 | i dunno, it's fun :)
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| 13:17 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 13:17 | IT is loads of fun.
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| 13:20 | <andygraybeal> ;)
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| 13:23 | <Hyperbyte> I don't like beerfests though. ;)
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| 13:30 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, aah yuo don't like beerfests?
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| 13:30 | you don't drink, or you just don't like a bunch of drunks :)
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| 13:30 | i don't think anyone likes a bunch of drunks
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| 13:31 | i like when our bar is full :)
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| 13:31 | and our restaurant :)
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| 13:33 | <Hyperbyte> Both, actually.
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| 13:33 | I haven't ever drank alcohol, period (as a sort of personal policy ;))... and I definitely don't like drunk people. :)
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| 13:35 | <andygraybeal> that's cool. i didn't drink up until i was 19. my dad is a drunk and hard to deal with. i allow myself once a week to get drunk and a couple of beers a night.
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| 13:36 | i just recently procured my first drunk driving violation
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| 13:36 | but in actuality, i haven't been getting drunk since my DUI
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| 13:38 | <andygraybeal> my grandparents are totally against alcohol.
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| 13:38 | <Hyperbyte> I'm not really 'against' it I guess, I just don't see the point. :)
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| 13:38 | <andygraybeal> they were raised running alcohol in prohibition
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| 13:39 | i come from a family of race car drivers :)
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| 13:39 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, that's cool man. it's good to be not drunk :)
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| 13:40 | <Hyperbyte> I like to think so. :)
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| 13:47 | <Hyperbyte> Andy, I assume you use LTSP in the restaurant?
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| 14:05 | <andygraybeal> yea
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| 14:05 | :)
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| 14:05 | saves lots of work!
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| 14:17 | <Hyperbyte> How many clients?
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| 14:22 | <andygraybeal> 8 clients
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| 14:24 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, it isn't a lot but it still saves time and frustration!
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| 14:40 | <Hyperbyte> Hey, don't need to tell me. :) I got 7 clients. ;-)
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| 14:41 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 15:45 | <TheMatrix3000> really ltsp in a restaurant
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| 15:45 | that is interesting
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| 15:45 | a very interesting implementation
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| 16:22 | <andygraybeal> not really :)
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| 16:22 | it's a restaurant, but we still have an office.
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| 16:22 | and paper work.
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| 18:36 | <Hyperbyte> andygraybeal, most people don't realize restaurant is just as much a business as anything else though
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| 18:37 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, :)
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| 18:37 | <Hyperbyte> I mean, I go to restaurant to get away from business. ;-)
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| 18:37 | <andygraybeal> yea, i gotta deal with tons of invoices!!!
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| 18:38 | uhg
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| 18:38 | and payroll
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| 18:38 | and pci compliance
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| 18:38 | point-of-sale systems
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| 18:39 | <Hyperbyte> Hehehe. :)
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| 18:39 | <andygraybeal> printers for the kitchens, offices, bar, wait-station, i got a warehouse i got to monitor temperatures in...
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| 18:40 | email, website...
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| 18:40 | this september i'm gonna hook SNMP enabled thermometers into our refridgeration systems.
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| 18:42 | <Hyperbyte> Hey that's cool
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| 18:42 | Gonna use Cacti?
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| 18:43 | If you don't know about Cacti you should really consider it
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| 18:48 | <shogunx> anyone seen vagrant?
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| 18:49 | <andygraybeal> i've been using nagios
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| 18:49 | Hyperbyte,
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| 18:50 | i've used... mrtg, cricket... and others
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| 18:52 | <Hyperbyte> cacti is awesome. It can create per-host graphs about cpu usage, memory usage, network usage and basically anything else you can generate a number for by script or SNMP
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| 18:52 | <andygraybeal> you can do the same with addons with nagios
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| 18:52 | <Hyperbyte> Ok. :)
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| 18:53 | <andygraybeal> i've been thinking about using pnp4nagios
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| 18:53 | <Hyperbyte> Have only tried mrtg and Cacti.
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| 18:53 | <andygraybeal> http://docs.pnp4nagios.org/pnp-0.6/new-features
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| 18:53 | <Hyperbyte> Will look at that when I get home. :)
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| 18:53 | <andygraybeal> yea, eventually, i'd like to setup zenoss. but that is pretty hectic.
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| 18:54 | <Hyperbyte> !seen vagrantc
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| 18:54 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 23 hours, 49 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <vagrantc> kinda never reall yhad much enthusiasm for sf after they went closed-source
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| 19:23 | <shogunx> thnax Hyperbyte
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| 19:50 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 19:51 | <shogunx> fooling with one of these hp t5235 clients, and wondering how far he got with them.
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| 19:53 | <Hyperbyte> T5235?
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| 19:53 | Oh, HP.. missed that
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| 19:53 | They don't work out-of-the-box with LTSP?
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| 20:00 | <shogunx> no pxe
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| 20:01 | <Hyperbyte> Ah. How are you booting them with LTSP? Or did you not get that far yet?
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| 20:01 | <shogunx> i just booted its factory os (debian derivative) to see what i need to do.
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| 20:02 | which would work for my purposes, if i port a couple things to the client. crosscompiles... looks like this client is not locked down at all.
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| 20:03 | so localdev stuff, a client app for the billing.
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| 20:03 | maybe
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| 20:03 | just testing vs the geode based clients i am using now.
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| 20:04 | <Hyperbyte> That's all way over my head. :)
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| 20:07 | <shogunx> it might be possible to just use an ssh -X connection from the client to connect to ldm, and run the client gui that way.
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| 20:08 | still need the local ltsp parts running on the client tho... still a crosscompile, i think.
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| 23:22 | <Hyperbyte> For when one andygraybeal isn't enough. =D
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| 23:23 | <andygraybeals> :)
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| 23:23 | i'm at home
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| 23:24 | <Hyperbyte> Welcome home. :)
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| 23:27 | <andygraybeals> what'r you up to?
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| 23:27 | <Hyperbyte> Considering sleeping.
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