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| 12:59 | <Blinny> After issuing the command in '!disable_compiz', individuals' compiz preferences aren't being persisted across logins when set with Preferences->Appearance. Should they be?
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> No, they shouldn't, the command in !disable_compiz *forces* mandatory settings
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| 13:20 | See !restore_compiz to get them back as they were
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| 13:20 | <Damianos> hello alkisg!
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Then re-run the !disable_compiz command, but with the default settings, not the mandatory path
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| 13:20 | Hi Damianos
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| 13:22 | <Damianos> btw...www.raspberrypi.org
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| 13:22 | the $25 pc now has a more expensive brother on offer with LAN
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| 13:22 | :)
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| 13:23 | it's in alpha production so this looks like it will make it to market
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| 13:23 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 13:25 | <Blinny> !disable_compiz
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| 13:25 | <ltsp> Blinny: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
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| 13:26 | <Blinny> So. Run the command in enable_, then run 'gconftool-2 --direct --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity' -- This will have everyone with compiz disabled, but allow for manual enabling. Is this correct?
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> !restore_compiz
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| 13:55 | <ltsp> alkisg: restore_compiz: if you disabled compiz by running the command suggested by the !compiz factoid, and you want to revert the change, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components.
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| 13:55 | <roasted> hello!
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> Blinny: this one ^
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> Then, each user can individualy disable/enable compiz from the appearance settings dialog
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| 13:57 | If you want to set it to "disabled" as default for new users: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 13:57 | <roasted> alkisg, seems as if I dug up an active bug you were posting in.
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| 13:59 | <Blinny> alkisg: From what I've seen, t the restore_compiz command immediately restores it for _all_ users, causing some clients to crash again. I want it disabled by default, and enabled for only a few users.
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| 14:00 | <roasted> seems as if running an LTS even has its own downfalls
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| 14:01 | as the fix I'm reading about supposedly came in 10.10
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Blinny: yes, that's what happens with users that have compiz enabled in their settings. You need to erase their settings for the defaults to take effect.
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| 14:02 | <Blinny> alkisg: How do I erase the settings for an account?
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> gconf needs to be running for that account, so you can do it from a login script (e.g. in /etc/xdg/autostart)
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| 14:03 | If you don't like that, a file system based approach is: sudo -i; rm /home/*/.gconf/desktop/gnome/session/%gconf.xml
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| 14:03 | But that erases all session settings, not only the required_components/metacity
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| 14:03 | (usually nothing much there)
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| 14:04 | roasted: which one?
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| 14:04 | <Blinny> alkisg: Thank you.
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| 14:05 | <roasted> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/505916
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| 14:05 | alkisg, I have 2 NICs, 2 labs, and 2 switches, 1 server with LTSP
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| 14:05 | clients on one NIC boot fine. clients on the other NIC do not.
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| 14:05 | my laptop is trying to boot now and it's caught in a sending discover.... no lease, failing loop
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| 14:06 | a quick google brought this up with the -C parameter and all of that talk
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| 14:06 | I have 1 switch off each NIC, so it's kind of subnetted that each lab operates on its own section. aka - 10.52.18.X and 10.52.17.X
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| 14:06 | 18 works, 17 does not
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> And why would that bug only affect one subnet?
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| 14:07 | <roasted> I have no idea.
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> It doesn't sound like it's that bug that affects you
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| 14:07 | <roasted> think it's not that bug?
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| 14:07 | hmm
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| 14:07 | thought I was on to something, too
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Same switches?
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| 14:08 | <roasted> same model, yes
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| 14:08 | identical
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Same clients?
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| 14:08 | <roasted> as in same hardware clients?
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 14:08 | The nic, in particular
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| 14:09 | <roasted> yes, with the exception of my laptop whom I'm using to test in the server room now.
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| 14:09 | which has worked with LTSP testing in the past
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| 14:09 | both NICs are identical on the server
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> Btw I thought you had 10.10, not 10.04...
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| 14:10 | <roasted> that was in the past
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| 14:10 | this year I brought hte server to an LTS and figured it'd be safer
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| 14:10 | buuuut I'm not having the same luck with 10.04 as I had with 10.10
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> So anyway if the clients in .17 have the same NICs as the clients in .18, that shouldn't be the bug that affects you
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| 14:10 | See your dhcp server logs, try with gpxe on the clients, try with ipappend 3 etc
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| 14:11 | <roasted> I was thinking along the same lines. But it was so similar to what I was seeing I wasn't sure what to think.
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| 14:13 | I almost wonder if I should swap the NICs
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| 14:13 | plug the 17 to 18, 18 to 17
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| 14:13 | that way if 18 begins to tank it could be a switch issue
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| 14:13 | and not the server at all
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| 14:16 | eh nevermind. not that easy since the switches are configured directly for those subnets
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| 14:16 | oh, also, I can't check dhcp server logs because I'm using windows for dhcp....
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| 14:17 | <roasted> hi
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> roasted: try with gpxe or with a live cd, you'll see if it's a udhcpc problem or not
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| 14:19 | * Hyperbyte waves back :) | |
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| 14:55 | <roasted> alkisg, looks more like its a vlan issue with a recent network change we had.
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| 14:55 | alkisg, thanks for your help, Ill keep looking
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| 15:06 | <jammcq> Gadi !!!!
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> jammcq!
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| 15:07 | <jammcq> Gadi: you've already made your travel plans for BTS, right?
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> lol
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> !disable-compiz
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| 15:25 | <ltsp> Gadi: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
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| 15:32 | <monteslu> heya jammcq , long time no talk
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| 15:33 | I'm starting all over with another kid, and doing ltsp all over again
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| 15:33 | having fun so far
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> !disable_compiz
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| 15:34 | <ltsp> alkisg: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> OK, the dot at the end is gone
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| 15:35 | I can't find a setting to remove the "username:" in front though
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| 15:35 | <kusznir> Hi all: I'm having issues with my ubuntu 11.04 LTSP server and evince. It keeps failing to open, and it provides a warning about "None of the autnetication protocols specified are supported" when launched from an xterm. This happened with a fresh, clean Ubuntu 11.04 amd64 install, specifically for ltsp. I've applied updates, but nothing seems to have addressed it, and googling indicates this is not a common problem.
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| 15:36 | I'm guessing due to the x auth indication that this is something related to ltsp...
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> If it runs when you sit at the server, and it doesn't run if you sit at a thin client, then it's LTSP related, otherwise nope...
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| 15:42 | <kusznir> alkisg, this is a system without a head; can't test.
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| 15:42 | (Xen DomU)
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| 15:43 | All other apps work fine, though; so far, its only evince that has failed. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling it, but no success.
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> kusznir: you can test with vnc, xdmcp, ssh -X, freenx, and other remote access methods
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| 15:44 | No need for a physical screen
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| 15:47 | <kusznir> Hmm..ssh -X doesn't work.
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| 15:50 | <gvy> ssh -Y
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> So it's not LTSP related :) Do you have your user's homes in some remote file system, e.g. NFS?
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| 16:01 | <kusznir> alkisg: yes, users are nfs-mounted
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| 16:01 | gvy: I tried ssh -XY; didn't work.
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> kusznir: try creating a user with a non-nfs home, e.g. in /nonnfshome/username
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| 16:04 | <kusznir> alkisg: that works. Is there a known issue/workaround for nfs-homes?
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> kusznir: evince works for me with nfs, so it might be a problem with some specific nfs options that you use. Try asking in #nfs or in your distro channel as it's not ltsp related...
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| 16:05 | <kusznir> Ok, thanks for helping me trace it down!
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 16:16 | <kusznir> alkisg, found the problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/778638
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| 16:16 | Short version: apparmour.
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| 16:18 | <pscheie> jammcq!
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| 16:21 | <gvy> kusznir, YHBA that is...
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| 16:21 | (you have been apparmored)
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| 16:22 | <kusznir> Yea, apparmour seems to cause way too many problems...I remember having to disable it completely on earlier versions of ubuntu to get anything useful done...
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> Fun. I didn't know apparmor could cause such long hangs, /me will keep that in mind...
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| 16:34 | <jammcq> pscheie: hey
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| 16:43 | <[GuS]> Hi guys, today was trying to install LTSP5 (gentoo) and i have this problem with ldminfod package: http://pastebin.com/P8egxsZG something changed in the repo?
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| 16:54 | <pscheie> jammcq, I think I'm going to come out for BTS this year.
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| 16:55 | <jammcq> oh that would be great
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| 16:56 | <pscheie> usually such ideas occur to me a month after the event; but this time I thought of it beforehand.
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| 16:57 | <jammcq> well... just do it
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| 16:57 | <pscheie> Any other people "representing" the RH/Centos/K12Linux implementation going to be there?
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| 16:57 | <jammcq> it's coming up in like 8 weeks
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| 16:57 | hmm, dunno
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| 16:57 | I need to invite eHarrison
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| 16:57 | haven't talked to him in a while
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| 16:57 | <pscheie> yes, that would be great
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| 16:58 | Warren is back in HI, I think starting grad school soon, probably won't have the $ to travel.
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| 16:58 | <jammcq> oh wow
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| 16:58 | has he left Redhat?
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| 16:58 | <pscheie> Yes, went back to HI to help out his folks
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| 16:59 | I think he said he's going for an MBA for grad school.
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| 16:59 | <jammcq> he's a smart kid
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| 16:59 | <pscheie> Is Trask expected to show up?
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| 16:59 | <jammcq> he'll do well I think
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| 16:59 | I hope trask comes. I tried emailing him, but haven't heard back
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| 17:00 | <pscheie> I've got my flight picked out (I'll book it tonight when I get home). I'll get into Bangor around 4pm
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| 17:00 | stgraber said I can catch a ride with him.
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| 17:00 | <jammcq> ah, great
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| 17:00 | 4pm on thursday?
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| 17:01 | <pscheie> yes.
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| 17:01 | <jammcq> cool
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| 17:01 | dunno what time we'll arrive yet
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| 17:01 | <gvy> wish I could meet you all folks
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| 17:01 | <pscheie> and actually, he's just riding w/ mgariepy & highvoltage
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| 17:01 | <jammcq> we've got an adventure in Philly, then NYC before hand
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| 17:02 | <pscheie> When are you going to plan another hackfest on the west coast in Portland?
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| 17:02 | <jammcq> hmm, dunno. but we can definitely talk about it at BTS
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| 17:02 | <pscheie> I want to have an excuse to go see the Free Geek out there.
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| 17:02 | <jammcq> I'm always up for a trip out west
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| 17:03 | <pscheie> get a chance to meet vagrantc face to face
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| 17:03 | is ogra coming?
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| 17:05 | <jammcq> dunno. he seemed interested but I haven't talked to him lately about it
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| 17:12 | <pscheie> gvy, where are you?
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| 17:12 | <gvy> kiev, ukraine
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| 17:12 | and we're running local floss conference oct 1st :)
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| 17:13 | <pscheie> yes, that would be a bit of a commute :-(
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| 17:13 | cool!
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| 17:30 | <pscheie> jammcq, should we, that is I, email the Seawall Hotel directly about a room?
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| 17:31 | I can't remember how I did it last time.
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| 17:33 | <jammcq> no, unless you need something special
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| 17:34 | <pscheie> no, I don't. So, how do we book rooms, then?
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| 17:34 | <jammcq> as we get closer to bts, I'll gather up all the names and try to figure out who is rooming with who, and then I'll talk to David at the seawall
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| 17:34 | basically, he'll give us the whole place if we need it
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| 17:34 | <pscheie> Well, we *are* the only ones there by that time of year.
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| 17:35 | <jammcq> yeah, usually, there's a stray person or two that shows up
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| 17:35 | but for the most part, it's only us
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| 17:35 | <pscheie> Ok, I'll put my name on the wiki as soon as I get my flight booked.
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