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Channel log from 8 December 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:17 | <jimjimovich> good morning guys. i'm trying to make a script that will send a message to each logged in user. can you tell me how to determine the x display number for logged in users?
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| 01:22 | <alkisg> See some related code there : http://pastebin.com/WGBH8rsk
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| 01:22 | (of course not all of it is related - just use the users/DISPLAY part)
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| 01:23 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: thanks. i'm trying to make a different script i found online work, but they're way of returning the display is outdated or something. i'll look into what you posted
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| 01:45 | <jimjimovich> I can find the DISPLAY (something like localhost:17.0) with this info, but I can't (even with sudo) open the display to send a message either a xmessage or gmessage
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| 01:56 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: yes, see the part of the code that relates to xauthority
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| 01:56 | You'll need the xauthority cookie to get access to their displays
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| 01:56 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: yes, looking at that. can't say that i fully understand it, but looking at it
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| 01:57 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: the easiest way is to have a script *listening for connections/messages etc* inside the users sessions
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| 01:57 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: I've been thinking about that. Like a cron job?
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| 01:58 | <alkisg> Like italc :)
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| 01:58 | It supports sending messages etc
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| 01:59 | <jimjimovich> I've never been able to get it to run in the past. but i'll try again
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| 01:59 | <alkisg> Ubuntu? Just a "sudo apt-get install italc-master" + rebooting everything should do it
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| 01:59 | Otherwise keep reading on the xauthority code ;)
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| 02:00 | <jimjimovich> yeah, i don't like that idea very much ;)
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| 02:00 | <alkisg> I abandoned both solutions though (italc/xauthority) and went on and developed a classroom administration tool instead :D
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| 02:01 | Anyway, time to get some work done... later
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| 02:01 | <jimjimovich> with my small amount of expience with both, i can understand why!
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| 03:44 | <bigdx> good morning ;-)
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| 03:45 | im still stuck with my problem that the clients hang/freez if the server goes down, reboots or hangs ... any idea why the dont recover as they should?
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| 03:46 | alkisg ... i tried it without nbd-proxy too
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| 03:46 | same problem
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| 03:46 | <alkisg> bigdx: you ran that line I gave you without nbd-proxy, and when the server hanged, the client didn't reboot?
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| 03:52 | <bigdx> in most cases yes, but not 100% relaible
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| 03:54 | for reboots or shutdowns nearly everytime
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| 03:54 | but when tha server hangs or shutdown hard its 50%
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| 03:55 | <alkisg> What line were you running, exactly, and how?
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| 03:55 | From an RCFILE?
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| 03:56 | <bigdx> http://pastebin.com/Rgt5NYcL
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| 03:56 | -o to shutdown the clients
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| 03:57 | and i tried RCFILE but also tried it thru an manual addes rc2.d script
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| 03:57 | added
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| 03:57 | in the client-image
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| 03:59 | ah, when the server hungs the clients mostly only shutdown after i tried to login thru ssh
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| 03:59 | just one or two times without any external influence
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> When you try to login, do you actually manage to login?
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| 04:00 | Or you're just causing an nbd disk read, so that nbd-client then understands that the connection is broken?
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| 04:00 | <bigdx> login works like a charme, also ldm.autologin
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| 04:01 | <alkisg> ldm_autologin is unrelated
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| 04:01 | I mean when the server hangs
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| 04:01 | When the server hangs, it might take some time for the client to know that the connection is broken
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| 04:02 | E.g. for TCP connections the timeout is 2 hours and 11 minutes
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| 04:02 | <bigdx> nope, then the client gui is frozen completly
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| 04:02 | <alkisg> What do you mean with this then? (12:00:02 PM) bigdx: ah, when the server hungs the clients mostly only shutdown after i tried to login thru ssh
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| 04:03 | <bigdx> ssh asks sometime for user, sometimes also for password, but then hangs too
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| 04:03 | never get a prompt
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| 04:04 | <alkisg> Right. But then the client shuts down?
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| 04:04 | <bigdx> in most cases
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| 04:04 | <alkisg> So I think at that point nbd-client becomes aware that the connection is broken.
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| 04:04 | So it's the script that shuts down the client
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| 04:05 | So if you wait long enough (2h 11m) it will shutdown anyway
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| 04:05 | <bigdx> i tried to "imitate" that with ls or something that tries to read form nbd but had no luck jet
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| 04:05 | <alkisg> ...or you can lower that limit
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| 04:05 | <bigdx> how can i lower that?
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| 04:05 | <alkisg> Google for tcp keepalive
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| 04:07 | <bigdx> but still ... why my clients do not behave like they should? you said they should restart automaticly
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| 04:07 | <alkisg> Nope, I never said that
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| 04:07 | Maybe someone using nbd-proxy said that; I don't use it so I cannot comment about it.
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| 04:08 | <bigdx> hmm ... i thought you mentioned they should recover as the server is back on
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| 04:08 | <alkisg> Again, maybe someone using nbd-proxy :)
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| 04:10 | <bigdx> anyway, doesnt matter as they DONT ;-)
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| 04:11 | btw, how does the nbd-client "timeout" work?
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| 04:12 | i mean the option
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| 04:13 | <alkisg> There is a "-persist" option in nbd-client, which was supposed to reconnect if the server reboots, but that was dropped in favor of nbd-proxy
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| 04:13 | I don't know about the timeout option
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| 04:15 | <alkisg> Maybe this describes it: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/813932
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| 04:54 | <bigdx> hmm ... in which script nbd-clients get launched? ill try timeout, maybe it helps
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| 05:00 | <alkisg> ltsp_nbd
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> !compiz
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| 11:19 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "compiz" :: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients. To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> !disable_compiz
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| 11:19 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> !forget compiz
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| 11:21 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> !learn compiz as the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
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| 11:21 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> :) and here, I just like it when the bot talks to me
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| 11:22 | :)
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> We need to change its name to something more feminine... it'll sound even better :D
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| 12:23 | <evil_root> !disable_compiz
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| 12:23 | <ltspbot> evil_root: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 14:09 | <highvoltage> alkisg: hey, any chance you could join #ubuntu-meeting?
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> highvoltage: sure
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| 14:10 | <highvoltage> great, thanks
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| 14:10 | alkisg: I might poke you in a few mins for some EC stugg
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| 14:10 | *stuff
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> np
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| 14:10 | * alkisg is on an old pc with 128mb ram, that's why he was offline... :D | |
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| 14:28 | <Seta00_> I'm trying to setup a /really/ basic thin client infrastrucuture (it's for educational purposes only), but I'm stuck. I'm using Ubuntu 10.04.
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> Where are you stuck?
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| 14:29 | <Seta00_> I ran the LTSP installation from the alternate CD, but other computers couldn't boot with PXE
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| 14:30 | so I tried to setup dhcpd.conf to match my router settings
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| 14:30 | my server has a single NIC
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> And you don't want to turn off your router's dhcp server?
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| 14:30 | <Seta00_> I already did it
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> You can leave your router's dhcp server running, if you prefer
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| 14:31 | So say what you would like to do and we'll suggest how to do it.
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| 14:31 | <Seta00_> well it doesn't make any difference for me, it's /really/ basic, I just want to learn how to do thhis
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| 14:31 | this*
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| 14:31 | I want to setup a server and connect to it using PXE
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| 14:32 | nothing more
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> OK so now you have your router's dhcp server turned off, and your ltsp server's dhcp server running?
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| 14:32 | <Seta00_> I'm not sure about the latter
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| 14:32 | couldn't find a way to check its status
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| 14:32 | currently I'm rebuilding the thin client
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> sudo service dhcp3-server status
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| 14:32 | <Seta00_> oh then I know
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| 14:32 | it fails to start
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| 14:33 | lemme get the error message
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> Verify that you have a valid range in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 14:34 | <Seta00_> it ran now
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| 14:34 | fuck me
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| 14:34 | this is madness, I didn't change anything
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| 14:34 | ok so the DHCP is running, let me try to boot
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| 14:37 | <Seta00_> alkisg: thanks, I'll let the rebuild finish and see if it works
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> np, but in the meantime you can check if the client gets the correct dhcp offer etc
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| 14:38 | <Seta00_> hmm
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| 14:40 | <Seta00_> it's working perfectly
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| 14:40 | on the range
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| 14:40 | damn this only happens to me
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| 14:42 | <Gremble> what does?
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| 15:03 | <Seta00_> hell yeah
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| 15:03 | pxe booted
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| 15:03 | tftp is loading
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| 15:03 | TFTP timeout :(
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| 15:03 | okay, one less problem
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| 15:04 | <Gremble> I've always found TFTP to be the tricky one
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| 15:05 | tftp-hpa is always suggested, but I've always ended up with aftftp
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| 15:05 | in daemon mode
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| 15:05 | <komunista> I always use the dnsmasq ;-)
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| 15:06 | <Gremble> that has a tftp server too?
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| 15:09 | <Seta00_> Gremble: how do you set up atftpd with xinet.d?
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| 15:09 | <Gremble> don't know
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| 15:09 | <Seta00_> or with LTSP at all :P
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| 15:09 | i.e. how do you make it work
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| 15:09 | <Gremble> what distro are you on?
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| 15:09 | <Seta00_> ubuntu 10.04
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| 15:10 | <Gremble> I'm on Debian
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| 15:10 | <Seta00_> bah they're almost identical
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| 15:10 | <Gremble> install atftpd
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| 15:10 | <Seta00_> already did
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| 15:10 | <Gremble> then put in /etc/default/atftpd
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| 15:10 | USE_INETD=false
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| 15:10 | OPTIONS="--tftpd-timeout 300 --bind-address 192.168.0.251 --retry-timeout 5 --maxthread 100 --verbose=6 /var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 15:10 | <Seta00_> done
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| 15:11 | <Gremble> then invoke-rc.d atftpd restart
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| 15:11 | watch out for 192.168.0.251 , thought, put in the IP of your server obviously
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| 15:11 | <Seta00_> Gremble: but my tftpboot is on /
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| 15:11 | should I change the last parameter?
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| 15:12 | <Gremble> tftpboot on /? that makes no sense
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| 15:12 | <Seta00_> oh there's also one in /var/lib
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| 15:12 | <Gremble> ah, you have an /tftpboot
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| 15:12 | <Seta00_> okay testing
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| 15:13 | yes
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| 15:13 | <Gremble> well, which has the kernels in?
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| 15:13 | <Seta00_> both :P
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| 15:13 | <Gremble> tail syslog to see the requests come in
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| 15:14 | <Seta00_> atftpd: can't bind port 192.168.0.9:69/udp
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| 15:14 | <Gremble> what's preventing it?
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| 15:14 | are you running another tftp server?
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| 15:14 | <Seta00_> lemme check
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| 15:14 | probably apt-get's fault
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| 15:15 | <Gremble> probably inetd
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| 15:15 | perhaps do dpkg-reconfigure and tell it not to use inetd
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| 15:15 | perhaps do dpkg-reconfigure atftpd that is
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| 15:18 | <Gremble> Seta00_, the problem I've had with atftpd in Debian is that the package doesn't seem to write the conf properly. I've had even less luck with tftp-hpa though.
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| 15:18 | <Seta00_> xinetd is using port 69
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| 15:19 | <Gremble> you need to comment out the line and then restart it then
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| 15:19 | <Seta00_> what line?
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| 15:19 | <Gremble> in the xinetd conf
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| 15:19 | <Seta00_> oh
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| 15:19 | <Gremble> relating to port 69
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| 15:20 | <Seta00_> I'll just delete it
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| 15:20 | :P
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| 15:21 | <Gremble> I'm sure there's a proper Debian/Ubuntu way, but I don't know it
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| 15:22 | <Seta00_> no tftp conf on xinetd but it's still not binding properly
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| 15:23 | <Gremble> you need to restart xinetd don't you?
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| 15:23 | or it'll keep being bound to port 69
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| 15:24 | <Seta00_> I did it
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| 15:24 | I've actually removed xinetd :P
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| 15:26 | <Gremble> still not binding
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| 15:26 | <Seta00_> yeah
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| 15:27 | oh my bad Gremble, I forgot I'm using 192.168.1.X and left 192.168.0.X in there
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| 15:27 | :P
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| 15:27 | <Seta00_> should work now
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| 15:28 | fuck yeah
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| 15:28 | <Gremble> :)
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| 15:29 | <Seta00_> hehe, next problem!
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| 15:29 | forgot something about a NBD server
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> !tftp
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| 15:30 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "tftp" is not a valid command.
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 15:31 | Seta00_: any specific messages about nbd?
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| 15:32 | <Seta00_> alkisg: thin client says something along the lines of "can't connect to NBD server"
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> Btw installing xinetd breaks a lot of ltsp scripts which rely on inetd
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| 15:32 | <Seta00_> I probably forgot something in the way installing it
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> Did you remove inetd?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:33 | With the default installation you only need to change your dhcpd.conf
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| 15:33 | Anything more just breaks more stuff :)
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| 15:34 | <Seta00_> alkisg: /etc/inetd.conf shows nbdswapd and nbdrootd
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> Seta00_: on the client, do you get a busybox shell?
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| 15:35 | <Seta00_> alkisg: yep
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Try there: nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
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| 15:35 | Did it mount?
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| 15:35 | <Seta00_> sec, I have to restart the server
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| 15:35 | <Gremble> check you've actually got inetd on port 2000 too
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| 15:36 | <Seta00_> nothing on port 2000
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| 15:36 | <Gremble> there should be 3 entries in inetd.conf relating to ltsp
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| 15:36 | <Seta00_> now I have inetutils-inetd on port 2000
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> Erm why not openbsd-inetd?
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| 15:38 | Don't deviate from the default setup unless you have some specific reason to...
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| 15:38 | <Seta00_> alkisg: that command shows connection refused
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> Seta00_: remove inetutils-inetd and reinstall openbsd-inetd
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| 15:38 | <Seta00_> done
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> OK, is it listening on 2000? Does the command work now?
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| 15:39 | <Gremble> inetd should be attached to ports 2000, 9571 and 9572 for ltsp to work
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| 15:39 | <Seta00_> listening on 2000, but command shows Negotiation: error: server closed connection
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Also check that the file to be served exists
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| 15:39 | $ grep images /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:39 | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 15:39 | <Seta00_> alkisg: it's only attached to 9572
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> $ ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 15:39 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 223M 2010-12-08 20:54 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 15:40 | Something like that ^^^
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| 15:40 | <Gremble> cool
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| 15:40 | <Seta00_> alkisg: shows just like that
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| 15:40 | <Gremble> check also that you have in /etc/hosts.allow
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| 15:40 | nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
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| 15:40 | nbdswapd: ALL: keepalive
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> That's not the problem though... Seta00_ it's not listening on 2000?
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| 15:41 | <Seta00_> alkisg: no
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| 15:41 | oh wait
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| 15:41 | it is
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> Try sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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| 15:41 | Ah ok
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| 15:41 | <Seta00_> on ports 2000 and 9572
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| 15:41 | not on 9571 though
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> And nbd-client still doesn't work? See daemon.log...
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| 15:42 | <Gremble> that's ldminfod on port 9571, perhaps that package isn't installed
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> grep nbd_server /var/log/daemon.log
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| 15:43 | <Seta00_> looks like I don't have nbdrootd
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> That doesn't sound possible... :D
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| 15:43 | Didn't you say ubuntu 10.04 or something?
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| 15:43 | <Seta00_> nbdrootd[454]: error: cannot execute /usr/sbin/nbdrootd: No such file or directory
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| 15:43 | LOL
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> $ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
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| 15:44 | <Seta00_> alkisg: yep 10.04
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> ltsp-server: /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
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| 15:44 | So did you remove ltsp-server?!
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| 15:44 | <Seta00_> so I think I removed some package that triggered removal of a bunch of other vital packages
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> Heh... breaking stuff until it works? :D
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| 15:45 | <Seta00_> yeah, the good part is that I learnt what it depends on
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| 15:45 | at least
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| 15:45 | lol
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| 15:46 | <moldy> hi
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| 15:46 | <Seta00_> now nbd-client says something about size and block size, and returns
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| 15:46 | lemme try rebooting
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> Hi moldy
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| 15:46 | Seta00_: right
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| 15:46 | <moldy> can an ltsp user unmount a usb flash drive mounted via ltspfs?
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> moldy: not really, he just waits 2 secs and pulls it off
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| 15:46 | Every 2 secs a "flush" is executed
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| 15:47 | <moldy> alkisg: ah ok, thanks
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| 15:47 | <Seta00_> HAHA
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| 15:47 | I see X!
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 15:47 | <Seta00_> eh.. so apparently I haven't configured anything related to the client :P
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| 15:47 | is there a default user?
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> You use the server users
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| 15:48 | <Seta00_> lol of course
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> So any user on your server will do
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| 15:48 | <Seta00_> I'm getting dumber and dumber
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| 15:48 | that's the whole purpose of ltsp
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| 15:48 | yay
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> Nah it looks like you solved everything quickly :)
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| 15:49 | (even with all the package removal etc :D)
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| 15:49 | <Seta00_> hehe
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| 15:49 | I think I remember removing dhcp3-server
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> So you must be quite a sysadmin
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| 15:49 | <Seta00_> that must be it
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> Probably, if you did --auto-remove
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| 15:49 | <Seta00_> alkisg: lol teck no
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| 15:49 | I'm just a student
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| 15:53 | <Seta00_> beautiful
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| 15:53 | alkisg, Gremble, you just made four brazilian students happier
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| 15:53 | :D
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 15:55 | <Seta00_> cheers everyone, see ya
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> bb
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