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Channel log from 20 September 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:02 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:18 | <johnny> alkisg, since when has dnsmasq gained some pxe options?
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| 02:18 | i guess it's been quite some time since i looked at a stock config file :(
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| 02:21 | <alkisg> johnny: I think that was in 2.49 may 2009
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| 02:21 | <johnny> :(
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| 02:21 | neat stuff tho
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| 02:24 | <muppis> Heh.. HowTo for PXE in DD-WRT Wiki is corrected to use dnsmasq is written 19. May 2009 :)
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| 03:44 | -jordan.freenode.net- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | |
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| 11:09 | <Kyle__> What would cause sessions in the "select session" dialog to dissapear and reappear?
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| 11:09 | This is the first time I've seen it happen...
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> Kyle__: prolbems in ldminfod?
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| 12:40 | <Kyle__> alkisg: ldminfod is the service that annouces available sessions?
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> Kyle__: yes, run ldminfod on the server to see them
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| 12:40 | Or `nc server 9571`
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| 12:41 | <Kyle__> I see all the ones I expect
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> Right, but maybe something goes wrong when you see them disappear
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| 12:41 | <Kyle__> I see them dissapear on some clients, but not others.
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> Ah, you mean fat clients?
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| 12:41 | <Kyle__> And after a reboot, or a login-logoff, the problem clients are again problem free :(
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| 12:41 | Yup, fat clients.
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> I don't think we have proper session support in fat clients
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| 12:42 | Maybe we could run ldminfod locally or something...
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| 12:42 | <Kyle__> O_o
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| 12:42 | It's been working just fine.
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> With ldm?
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| 12:42 | Or gdm?
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| 12:43 | <Kyle__> LDM.
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> I think ldm will be listing the server sessions there, not the chroot sessions...
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| 12:44 | <Kyle__> Right. So I've got all the sessions I need in /usr/share/xsession on the server.
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> And only 1 server?
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| 12:44 | <Kyle__> I have them locally on the client as well, but that's just because I like compleetness, they don't _do_ anything.
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| 12:44 | alkisg: Yes, only one server on this subnet
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> they don't _do_ anything ==> aren't those running with fat clients?
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| 12:45 | E.g. suppose you have kubuntu on the server, but not on the chroot. With a fat client I think you'd get an error if you chose kubuntu...
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| 12:47 | (or, vise versa, if you had kubuntu on the chroot but not on the server, it wouldn't even show up on ldm)
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| 12:48 | <Kyle__> alkisg: The fat clients seem to use the sessino script from the server, but run the executables locally.
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| 12:48 | Yes, I'd get an error if the binaries the session wanted weren't on the chroot.
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> su - ${LDM_USERNAME} -c "$CLIENT_ENV $MY_LANG DISPLAY=$DISPLAY ICEAUTHORITY=$ICEAUTHORITY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY $LDM_XSESSION $LDM_SESSION"
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| 12:49 | That command is ran locally from the X95-run-x-session script
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> I don't see anything that would contact the server and get the session script from there
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| 12:51 | * Kyle__ frowns | |
| 12:51 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Is it prehaps that my ldm.conf is that screwie?
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> ldm.conf? or lts.conf?
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| 12:52 | <Kyle__> sorry lts.conf.
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| 12:53 | http://pastie.org/1170450
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| 12:53 | It's really pretty simple.
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> ldm-server wouldn't pull in many dependencies
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| 12:56 | so wouldn't be a terrible thing to have on the thin-clients...
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| 12:57 | if boolean_is_true "$LTSP_FATCLIENT" && -f /usr/sbin/ldminfod ...
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| 12:57 | else nc server blah blah blah
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> No dependencies at all on a fat client chroot I have here... just 12.6 KB
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| 13:00 | <Kyle__> alkisg: So are you saying the better thing to do would be to tell it to run gdm instead of ldm?
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> Kyle__: no, I'm saying what vagrantc is also saying, to install ldminfod to the chroot and modify a little the ldm script
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| 13:02 | <Kyle__> Ahh ok.
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| 13:06 | alkisg: How do you do it for your fat clients?
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> I'm just using the default gnome session :)
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| 13:08 | * alkisg wonders if other servers should also show up on fat clients, and the local one to get a rating of 100... | |
| 13:08 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Could be kindof cool...
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Kyle__: it shouldn't be hard, if you want to hack the ldm screen script a little + test it, we could even push it upstream if it works fine
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| 13:09 | <Kyle__> alkisg: At first I had all the standard ones in there: failsafe xterm, gnome, failsafe gnome, windows xp, and on and on. Confused the HELL out of my users.
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> if boolean_is_true "$LTSP_FATCLIENT" && [ -f /usr/sbin/ldminfod ]; then
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| 13:12 | ldminfod | sed 's/^rating:.*/rating:100/' > /var/run/ldm/localhost
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| 13:12 | fi
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| 13:12 | Maybe that could do it... inside the ldm screen script...
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| 13:12 | (with ldm-server installed on the chroot of course)
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| 13:13 | (at about line 96)
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| 13:13 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Humm. I'm lothe to try it today: I don't have more than 15 minutes at a stretch where my lab won't be in use.
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| 13:14 | but it looks like it'd work, to me.
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> Hmmm no, currently, it shouldn't show the other servers' sessions, as it doesn't have the logic to login remotely
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| 13:15 | So that if should be followed by the line 87, (else) if [ -n "${LDM_SERVER}" ]; then...
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| 13:16 | So, http://pastebin.com/gbQ56XNX
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| 13:16 | (and the sed there isn't even necessary now...)
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but fatclients still log into the server for password authentication, no? and home directories (unless you're using NFS_HOME
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yes, but they run the xsession locally.. ?
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: right ... but then wouldn't messing with the rating attempt to log into the home dir of the local machine?
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> (09:16:27 PM) alkisg: (and the sed there isn't even necessary now...)
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| 13:29 | Urm, is there logic on which /home to use based on the rating?
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| 13:30 | vagrantc: let's start over, I'm proposing this one, anything that could go wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/vLAtLXZX
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: is LDM_SERVER set to localhost for fatclients?
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> No
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> then would it get used at all?
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| 13:32 | * alkisg hasn't read all the related files... :) | |
| 13:32 | <vagrantc> i.e. it would require changing other things to make use of the ldminfod information...
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| 13:32 | alkisg: i don't think that would break anything, but it is an incomplete solution...
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> So, it should be saved as /var/run/ldm/server ? Or it wouldn't be used then either?
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| 13:33 | vagrantc: tell me more so that I understand the subject better...
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> i don't remember the exact details, and need to work on other things right now...
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> OK
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| 13:33 | I'll dig in
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| 13:33 | ty
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: nothing like just trying things and poking at what's there, too :)
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> Reading all the related scripts should help too :P :D
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm moderately sure that it just uses the ldminfo information that matches LDM_SERVER
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| 13:34 | * alkisg hasn't really read ldminfod before.. | |
| 13:35 | <alkisg> I guess then /var/run/ldm/server should do (instead of localhost)...
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> so we'd need to change that behavior when set as a fatclient
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| 13:35 | that wouldn't work if they set LDM_SERVER to something other than "server".
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> Hmm ldminfo.c... first time reading this one :D
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> probably /var/run/ldm/${LDM_SERVER}
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| 13:36 | but that'd be confusing
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> This one worked for me: http://pastebin.com/AWvGa89h
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| 13:48 | Kyle__: if you have some minutes, feel free to test it ^^^
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| 13:53 | Also write the server to /etc/hosts, if it's different than "server": http://pastebin.com/Yge7wLU7
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| 13:54 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Unfortunately I have not more than 15 minutes between classes in my lab today, so I'm not gonna have time to tesat till proably wednesday. Maybe tomorrow if I get here early.
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> Kyle__: ok, final one (with a comment): http://pastebin.com/BmRbvkfH - if that works, give us some feedback to push it upstream.
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| 15:04 | <dserban> Good afternoon. I'm wondering if anyone knows of an easy way to get a client to hit the nbd swap, I have a feeling that it's not configured properly and therefore killing the client sessions.
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| 15:05 | Also, is ltsp-remoteapp ready for prime-time? Last I heard it was being developed and not ready, but either I use something like it, or I have to reconfigure my proxy as all traffic would be coming from the app server and I use ip based rules. :/ (pain in t3h butt)
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> distro/version?
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| 15:12 | <dserban> alkisg: debian lenny w/backports
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| 15:12 | I'm seriously contemplating on upgrading to squeeze now, I've found other bugs unrelated to ltsp, but with lenny itself that haven't been fixed yet.
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> You want to stress the nbd swap to see if that crashes your sessions?
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| 15:13 | <dserban> People also complain about lag/speed etc, I'll be making a post on the list about that, to detail what I've tried/attempted and the topology.
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| 15:13 | alkisg: yes sir
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 15:13 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> I think that works on lenny with backports, right?
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| 15:13 | <dserban> alkisg: right, but how would I make the kernel swap?
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| 15:13 | alkisg: yes it does
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Allocate much memory, e.g. with the stress tool...
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| 15:14 | <dserban> I guess I could install stress
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| 15:14 | aye
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> (or you could just run a bunch of shells or local xterms :))
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| 15:15 | <dserban> heh
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| 15:16 | well 512mb should suffice, but I have one girl that keeps losing her session. I have a feeling it has to do with firefox/iceweasel running locally. (which is another problem I'm having to wade through).
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| 15:16 | Overall my users hate ltsp so far .. heh :P I've gotta convince them that it's better.
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> How much nbd swap do you have per client?
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| 15:16 | <dserban> 512mb
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> Sounds good enough for the session not to crash :)
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| 15:17 | <dserban> I have a feeling it isn't even hitting swap. She just locks up, seconds later is returned to ldm.
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| 15:17 | X memory setting is at 85%
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> I think you can even use dd to create a file to make the tmpfs use local ram...
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| 15:19 | <dserban> alkisg: I don't get what you mean..? create a file on the client..? to make ... isn't tmpfs a ramdisk? :/
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> What do you get if you run `mount` on a localxterm?
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| 15:19 | (I haven't used debian with ltsp, I'm using ubuntu...)
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| 15:19 | <dserban> uno momento
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| 15:20 | Aye I remember :P I've been here before, picking away at vagrantc's sanity.
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| 15:21 | uhh I wish I could copy/paste into a pastebin, but I Have quite a few entries when I type mount on the client
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Is /tmp/ mounted as a tmpfs?
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| 15:21 | <dserban> let me check
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| 15:21 | yes two entries for /tmp as tmpfs
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> Then dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmp/somefile and come count there should fill the ram...
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| 15:22 | <dserban> tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,mode=755)
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| 15:22 | :o
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| 15:22 | ok
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> (or just install stress :))
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| 15:24 | <dserban> hmm once it hits 264mb, it stops with no space left on device :/
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| 15:24 | ok
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| 15:25 | * dserban installs stress | |
| 15:26 | <alkisg> You can do that to other tmpfs's, like /var/run, to exceed your ram..
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| 15:31 | Heh, out of memory, killing xorg... :D
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| 15:33 | <Kyle__> Silly me, I can't read the schedule right.
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| 15:33 | I _do_ have a nice block of free time where I can test.
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> dserban: http://imagebin.org/114917
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| 15:38 | <cole2> Is is anyone here from yesterday regarding my firefox/javascript lagging issues?
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| 15:42 | <Kyle__> alkisg: OK, realy silly question... where on earth is that file to patch? I don't know where the screen.d directory is.
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> Kyle__: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
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| 15:43 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Ahh ha.
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> Kyle__: the whole patched file, to save you from applying the patch: http://pastebin.com/XxQXeM3E
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| 15:44 | <Kyle__> alkisg: You're awesome.
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| 15:48 | Err, is that really the patched file? When I md5sum it, it shows the same as the file I had...
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| 15:48 | <dserban> sorry alkisg had to run for a moment
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> Kyle__: sorry, wrong chroot
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| 15:50 | <Kyle__> he, no problem.
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| 15:51 | How many do you have going?
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Kyle__: http://pastebin.com/njHJReLh
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| 15:51 | 2, one fat and one thin (the latter just for testing the manuals we're writing)
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| 15:52 | <dserban> question: why does the ltsp site look so dead? mainly just time constraints or did version 5 fork from the original?
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> The server went down so the docs moved to the sourceforge site, see the topic link
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| 15:53 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Neat.
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| 15:53 | <dserban> oh the wiki wasn't saved?
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| 15:53 | <Kyle__> Ahh, and yes, that file is distinctly different.
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> It was saved, it's being moved slowly to the mediawiki in the sf...
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| 15:55 | <dserban> ah, ok
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| 16:05 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Wait, I needed to install something in there first.... was it ldmserver?
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ldm-server
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| 16:05 | <Kyle__> Doh. That's it.
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| 16:05 | * Kyle__ whistles to himself quietly | |
| 16:05 | <alkisg> :)
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| 16:22 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Somethigns not right... It's just scrolling on by with an error about openvt exec failed no such file or directory.
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> Kyle__: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
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| 16:23 | <Kyle__> Yes?
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| 16:23 | It's there.
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> Can you paste the result here?
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| 16:24 | <Kyle__> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4198 Sep 20 15:52 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> OK, it's executable, but mine is 3992 bytes, why is yours so much larger?
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| 16:26 | * Kyle__ shrugs | |
| 16:26 | <Kyle__> what's your md5sum? We may be using idfferent filesystems.
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| 16:26 | ed8966c875036685cd1c25587568cd26
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> That's the byte count, so I don't think the fiile system affects it... a105b0ada89b3c626d5267906e9ca8db
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| 16:27 | <dserban> I have people leaving themselves logged in at night, where the shutdown does not take effect. Is there a better way to do it other than cron'ning a shutdown -h now?
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| 16:27 | <Kyle__> Wait.. you know, it may have been replaced when I installed the ldm server.
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> Kyle__: nope
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| 16:27 | Can you pastebin its contents?
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| 16:29 | <Kyle__> OK, but I just downloaded it from pastebin. Well that and scped it into place, then changed permissions and ownership.
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| 16:29 | Here's the one I got it from http://pastebin.com/njHJReLh
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Kyle__: did you get the hashes too? (#)
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| 16:30 | Erm sorry the line numbers
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| 16:31 | <Kyle__> Nope, I used the download link.
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> Ah, it adds DOS line breaks
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| 16:32 | (still, it should be 102 bytes longer, not *that* longer :))
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| 16:32 | * Kyle__ shrugs :) | |
| 16:32 | <Kyle__> Could that be killing it I wonder?
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 16:33 | The shebang is considered wrong if it has dos line breaks
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| 16:33 | #!/bin/sh^M ==> no such executable
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| 16:33 | <Kyle__> OK, I'll copy and paste then.
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| 16:34 | Weird. Stupid pastebin.
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> k
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| 16:34 | Yeah I didn't see that before... maybe it's just "pastebin.com"... let me see in others...
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| 16:34 | <Kyle__> btw my md5sum is still different than yours.
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> Don't worry it's probably just the last enter
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| 16:35 | 3991 ?
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| 16:36 | <Kyle__> um. 4067 actually.
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 16:38 | <Kyle__> When did vim start hiding those anyway? Grr.
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| 16:38 | * Kyle__ waits for the image to finish... | |
| 16:38 | <alkisg> wget http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=fW50v96P -O /tmp/ldm
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| 16:39 | That still cuts the last "enter", so it's 3991, but at least it run :)
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| 16:40 | <Kyle__> alkisg: Is that a magic pastebin URL? OR a compleetly new posting?
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> A new posting, I was testing "pastebinit" instead of manually pasting at the site
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| 16:40 | I didn't manage to get the same md5sum in any way :D
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| 16:40 | (due to the last enter)
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| 16:42 | <Kyle__> :)
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| 16:43 | crazy. Allright. just have to wait a few minutes for the new-new-new image.
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| 16:49 | Whew, 7 minutes, 19 seconds. I need a faster box to run this.
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| 17:01 | * alkisg uses a separate partition for the fat chroot, to avoid using ltsp-update-image | |
| 17:02 | <Kyle__> alkisg: I was, then I switched to the building method when I migrated to a different server. Haven't switched back yet.
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| 17:03 | ...although I recall there being some good reason for not doing it... humm.
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> You couldn't update the image while the users were using it :)
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| 17:03 | Anyway, did it work?
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| 17:03 | <Kyle__> That's it!
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| 17:03 | Yes, it seems to be good. I can see all the sessions on each workstation now.
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| 17:03 | ...which before today I could anyway :) but I can again, which is good.
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> You were just lucky before :)
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| 17:04 | I'll wait for feedback from another person that wants to test this with kubuntu and I'll commit it then.
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| 17:04 | Goodnight all...
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| 17:05 | <Kyle__> alkisg: That's scary. How this semester has gone, to consider myself lucky gives me the willies!
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> Kyle__: you just happened to have the same sessions on the server as those on the chroot
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| 17:05 | Now you can even use fat clients with no DE on the server
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| 17:06 | (hopefully :D)
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| 17:06 | bb
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| 17:06 | <Kyle__> Wow. awesome.
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| 17:37 | <Kyle__> goin home a little early. Weeeha!
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