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Channel log from 15 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:58 | <tarzeau> any news?
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| 01:17 | <kwak> anyone knows of a software that is like adobe visual communicator or video cue?
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| 01:29 | <kwak> johnny, by googling you will get the info about it, it's a software to create videos/presentation with slides
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| 01:38 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour !
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| 03:49 | <ltspadmin> hope someone can help me with a dhcp offer issue. When booting clients up one at a time....I can get a a system to PXE boot, and the next system does not receive an offer.....but after waiting 3 mins..and rebooting...it does..in other words the offers are very slow..any ideas?
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| 04:23 | <sep> ltspadmin, any dhcp log output ?
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| 04:24 | <ltspadmin> sep: give me one sec..im editing the dhcp.conf file one more time to see if i can resolve it.
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| 04:47 | <ltspadmin> sep: still around?
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| 04:47 | sep: which logs did you need the /var/log/syslog stuff?
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| 04:51 | <sep> ltspadmin, if you dont see errors there i dont need it. you might consider increasing verbosity to get more output. you can also consider running tcpdump on the dhcp server to see what happen when the clients request a lease. and make sure you have free leases
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| 04:52 | <ltspadmin> okay in the logs..what are we specifically looking for..then id be happy to post up
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| 04:53 | and also what is the dhcp lease suppose to be set to
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| 04:53 | ??
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| 04:58 | <sep> ltspadmin, the range have free addresses to use.
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| 07:08 | <ltspadmin> hello...i have an issue with dhcp rquests from clients booting..after 3 mins or so, the next client can receive a request..but when sequentially booting up machines...no offers are made...can some aid?
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| 07:08 | im using edubuntu 8.04 with two nics
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| 07:09 | and when actually logining in it takes at least 2 mins
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| 08:01 | <Shawn_Powers_> I'm writing an article today on LinuxJournal.com about LTSP 5. Are there any specifics any of you might want me to mention?
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| 08:02 | <cyberorg> Shawn_Powers, http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP GUI project for LTSP, part of openSUSE Google Summer of Code 2008 :)
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| 08:03 | Shawn_Powers, you might also know Fedora9, AltLinux, openSUSE-Edu, Debian and Ubuntu all have LTSP5 integrated
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| 08:04 | <Shawn_Powers_> wow, the gui looks great...
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| 08:04 | I've been an LTSP administrator for a long time, and have just been editing the lts.conf file
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| 08:04 | I remember wishing there was a gui a long time back
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> Shawn_Powers, they are dummies, the actual one would be something that ogra's mom can use ;)
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| 08:05 | <Shawn_Powers_> :D
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| 08:06 | <cyberorg> http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Easy-LTSP here is the development white board
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| 08:06 | <Shawn_Powers_> I just started preparing for my summer upgrade to LTSP5 (probably with Ubuntu), and I was excited to see some great enhancements
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| 08:06 | <cyberorg> student would start coding at the end of this month
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| 08:06 | <Shawn_Powers_> very very awesome.
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| 08:06 | <cyberorg> by september we should have something usable by everyone
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| 08:07 | <Shawn_Powers_> I'm curious about "ldm" -- is this an LTSP thing, or an Ubuntu thing?
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| 08:07 | And is it difficult to tweak?
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| 08:07 | ie, if I want to force my users to use IceWM or some such thing?
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| 08:08 | (I haven't used LTSP in anything other than K12LTSP, so my understanding is a bit narrow)
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| 08:08 | <cyberorg> LDM is a ltsp display manager, nothing there to tweak, it offers login screen with options of locales and desktop sessions to log in
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| 08:08 | <Shawn_Powers_> I guess by "tweak" I meant can you specify sessions, or do they pull the info from the distro?
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| 08:08 | <cyberorg> LDM provides X over ssh
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| 08:09 | it pulls all available sessions and languages automatically from the server
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| 08:09 | <Shawn_Powers_> hrm
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| 08:09 | That's always been a pain in my side. ;)
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| 08:09 | (not LTSP's fault of course)
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| 08:10 | <cyberorg> i advise you to give it a try before writing, a lot has changed since ltsp4.2 days, in fact it is a whole new approach to ltsp
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| 08:11 | <Shawn_Powers_> Well, it's not an article for the print magazine, but the website. And I intend for it to be a "first impressions" type thing.
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| 08:12 | I played with the Edubuntu version yesterday, and really liked what I experienced.
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| 08:12 | Especially with multimedia
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| 08:12 | <cyberorg> LTSP5 implementation on openSUSE won FOSS India award 2008 http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 08:13 | Shawn_Powers, cool, we can do with all the attention the project can get
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| 08:14 | <Shawn_Powers_> Well, if it turns out well, be sure to Digg the thing as well
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| 08:14 | <cyberorg> upstream needs more distribution contributing and integrating LTSP5 in their distros
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| 08:14 | <Shawn_Powers_> Also needs some folks to document
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| 08:14 | <cyberorg> sure link it here and post of ltsp-discuss mailing list
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| 08:14 | <Shawn_Powers_> (says the professional writer that doesn't contribute any code... sigh)
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| 08:15 | <cyberorg> code is not the only contribution, blogging, writing, making people aware of it is a big contribution too
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| 08:16 | <Shawn_Powers_> :) I'll also mention this IRC channel too -- would this be the "proper" place to send people with more questions?
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| 08:25 | <cyberorg> Shawn_Powers, of course, most devs hang out here
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| 08:27 | <Blinny> I'm looking for some help specifying refresh rate for my 1440x900 terminals
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| 08:31 | <Blinny> If I specify 1440x900 for X_MODE_0, everything works great except for a flicker when I move the mouse. Changing the refresh rate from '60 Hz' to '75 Hz' in Preferences->Screen Resolution solves the problem. Unfortunately, this is a per-user fix instead of a machine-dependent fix. How can I accomplish the same thing from lts.conf ?
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| 09:13 | <cjsstables> hello all. I have a quick question. Getting ready to set up an ubuntu ltsp server. I have 900 GB of space on 3 drives. In the partition schem where should I allocate most of the HD space? /home? /root?
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| 09:23 | <Blinny> cjsstables: Definitely /home - Consider that each of your users' entire environments will be now aggregated under one /home partition.
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| 09:23 | and by environments I mean their files, pictures, videos, etc
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| 09:29 | <cjsstables> ok thanks. I appreciate that information
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| 09:30 | <fsgaston> Does anybody know of some good companies that do remote management of linux servers?
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| 09:38 | <tarzeau> fsgaston: what country?
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| 10:37 | <fsgaston> Tarzeau - United States or anyone who can SSH in and speaks English
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| 10:38 | <Blinny> fsgaston: What sorts of things do you need?
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| 10:42 | <rjune> fsgaston: what's up?
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| 10:42 | I'm in state even.
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| 10:43 | <johnny> hi/..
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| 11:03 | <ltspadmin> hello. Im fighting with an 8.04 setup....I have two nics..and one has been set to a 192.168.1..254 the other to dhcp. I even set the /etc/default/dhcp-server3 LISTEN to the proper interface. Here is the issue - when clients boot..it takes 2 -3 minutes to receive any kind of bootp/dhcp info. however, after 3 mins after loading each system...the next one will come up. Can some one help me debug/fix the issue?
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| 11:03 | woops that 192.168.1.254
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| 11:04 | <ltspadmin> I just rebooted 4 machines..they come up fine. then aster the fifth...things hang again...weird...
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| 11:04 | <Blinny> ltspadmin: DHCP in 8.04 is configured in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf - that's what you're fiddling with, right?
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| 11:04 | <ltspadmin> right
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| 11:04 | <Blinny> And the _clients_ have two NICs in them?
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| 11:05 | <ltspadmin> nope one..
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| 11:05 | two nics on server...and one nic per client
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| 11:06 | <ltspadmin> i know its a config mistake of some sort...but im pulling my hair out thinking about what it is.
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| 11:06 | <Blinny> So the client boots, DHCPREQUESTs an IP and then, on the screen you just see the little spinnyspinny ?
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| 11:06 | <Blinny> What's in /var/log/messages on the server during this transaction? How much time between the REQUEST, ACK and OFFER?
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| 11:06 | <ltspadmin> Blinny: what will happen is it "tries" to request for dhcp and times out...doesnt even make that far
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| 11:07 | Blinny: and if i wait..2 or 3 mins...bamn its back again.
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| 11:07 | <Blinny> And /var/log/messages ?
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| 11:08 | <ltspadmin> id be happy to give you snippet in pastebin..will that suffice?
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| 11:09 | <Blinny> Yes, the parts during a failed boot and a successful boot are what I'm after.
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| 11:10 | <ltspadmin> Blinny: here you are - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12250/
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| 11:11 | <warren> crap
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| 11:12 | I've been using my ssh DSA key to get into launchpad
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| 11:12 | <warren> so even I can't escape needing to regenerate the key
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| 11:13 | <Blinny> ltspadmin: It looks like your server is still booting during the request process. Has the server finished booting?
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| 11:13 | Or is that 192.168.1.250 stuff from specifying the log server?
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| 11:14 | <ltspadmin> that is actually capturing the log info from the clients...192.168.1.250 is one of the clients.
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| 11:15 | <Blinny> I find it strange that it is exactly five seconds between every log message - one from the client, one from the server.
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| 11:16 | I'll brb - gotta make a quick trip downstairs.
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| 11:32 | <Blinny> ltspadmin: What happens if you remove the log-servers option?
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| 11:32 | from /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, restart dhcp-server and then reboot the client
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| 11:33 | ltspadmin: When you're done please pastebin your dhcpd.conf - and verify that you absolutely have no other dhcp servers on this switch/subnet
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| 11:36 | <ltspadmin> Blinny: that is a brilliant idea as well..i will actually connect a second laptop and see if there is any type of dhcp server on the network--that somehow magically appeared..
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| 11:36 | Blinny: Ill post that dhcpd.conf up now.
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| 11:38 | Blinny:http://paste.ubuntu.com/12256/
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| 11:38 | there you are
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| 11:45 | <Blinny> Right on. You also don't need the 'allow booting' and 'allow bootp' for ltsp.
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| 11:46 | And, unless you're sending some NFS or kernel options that I don't see you don't need the option 128 and 129.
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| 11:48 | <ltspadmin> Blinny: so everything else looks okay to you?
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| 11:50 | <Blinny> Other than not needing lines 6-10, yeah
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| 11:54 | <ltspadmin> k
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| 11:54 | i will check the network end of things now..
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| 11:55 | <Blinny> Dig. If I'm not here when you get back just ask away if your problem isn't solved.
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| 12:45 | <gbolte> hellp
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| 12:46 | kljfaldskjf
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| 12:46 | hello
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| 12:46 | <shawnp0wers> was that a cry for help, or a greeting. :D
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| 12:47 | <gbolte> heh it was supposed to be hello but the o and the p got mixed up
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| 12:47 | :D
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| 12:57 | <gbolte> anyone know what patch ubuntu used to fix the issue with gvfs where gnome would show local device volumes from all terminals on all desktops
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| 12:58 | I want to take it and apply it to opensuse 11 to fix the same issue
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| 13:06 | <gbolte> I found the patch for gnome-vfs but not gvfs
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| 13:07 | er nvm
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| 13:07 | got it
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| 14:21 | <Pawn_Showers> Hello all, my short article on LTSP is on Linux Journal: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/ltsp-5-making-thin-clients-phat
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| 14:22 | <Pawn_Showers> Feel free to participate in any ensuing comments that happen there, we have a pretty large readership
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| 14:23 | Also, diggs are always appreciated, it garners even more attention...
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| 14:23 | <sepski> Pawn_Showers, nice
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| 14:23 | <johnny> you have have mentioned that it is almost completed on gentoo :)
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| 14:23 | <dberkholz> Pawn_Showers: nice
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| 14:24 | <johnny> reminds me.. i'm going to add config protect mask
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| 14:25 | then that part'll be done
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| 14:25 | <dberkholz> johnny: you might add a Gentoo section to the bottom of http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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| 14:25 | Pawn_Showers linked there
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| 14:25 | <johnny> ok
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| 14:25 | <Pawn_Showers> I *just* added the bit on Gentoo. ;)
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| 14:26 | <sepski> Pawn_Showers, nice write, you didnt mention debian edu / skolelinux, but that's ok it's practicaly a part of debian anyway
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| 14:27 | <laga> Pawn_Showers: one thing i love about LTSP 5 is the plugin-based build system. i've added a custom plugin to create diskless fat clients - it was very easy and works well.
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| 14:28 | <sepski> laga did you put it on the wiki ?
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| 14:29 | <laga> sepski: there is a plugin for (low)-fat clients on the wiki. my plugin ships with the ubuntu package because it's ubuntu specific.
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| 14:29 | it'll actually build a diskless mythtv frontend
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| 14:29 | <Pawn_Showers> If you have anything you'd like highlighted -- please, drop a comment. My artitcles have gotten lots of comment traffic lately...
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| 14:30 | <sepski> laga, nice :)
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| 16:08 | <slapshot> hi guys
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| 18:22 | <jammcq> hidy ho
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| 18:22 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 18:48 | <davidj> jammcq: Howdy!
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| 18:48 | <jammcq> hey David
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| 18:48 | how's things?
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| 18:49 | <davidj> Been busy, calming down a bit now.
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| 18:49 | Any you?
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| 18:49 | <jammcq> busy beyond belief
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| 18:50 | but in today's economy, that's a really good thing
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| 18:51 | <davidj> ;-) Yes, it is.
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| 18:52 | A buddy of mine bought a small county hospital in the sticks, said he might be interested in talking to you.
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| 18:52 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 18:55 | <davidj> We'd been partaking of the fruit of the vine, and somehow your practice management system came up.
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| 18:56 | <jammcq> well, we're busy building it. of course things take much more time than we plan on.
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| 18:57 | <davidj> they always do, unless it's rolling out an LTSP 4 network. That's always quick. ;-)
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| 18:58 | <jammcq> well, it's quick, easy and predictable
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| 18:59 | <davidj> Is Harrison around?
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| 18:59 | I've got an rpm question
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| 18:59 | <jammcq> umm, he doesn't hang around here much
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| 19:00 | btw, we're all heading to Portland Oregon on July 24th for a hackfest
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| 19:00 | and of course, i'm looking forward to bts in Maine again
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| 19:00 | * vagrantc eagrely awaits july | |
| 19:01 | <davidj> I think I can make it to Maine, but not Portland. I've got a conflict at the end of July.
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| 19:01 | <jammcq> ah
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| 19:01 | <davidj> When are you coming to North Carolina?
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| 19:01 | <jammcq> heh, no plans at the moment
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| 19:04 | <davidj> bbl, got to get the kids in bed. Will you be around?
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| 19:04 | <jammcq> yep
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| 21:27 | <davidj> jammcq: An old friend dropped in to say hello. I think I'm in worse shape than Ragnar was Saturday night ;-)
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| 21:28 | <davidj> jammcq: Think I'll mosey off to bed....
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| 21:36 | <rjune_> davidj !
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| 21:37 | <mistik1> hey guys
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| 21:37 | Well I just have a major suck fest with Ubuntu installer man
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| 21:38 | It seems to me like it gets worse every time out
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| 21:38 | <johnny> this isn't exactly the right channel is it?
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| 21:38 | <rjune_> wow, did I misread that
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| 21:39 | <mistik1> I felt for a sec like I was installing Vista, 'Please wait while we run an overly complicated hardware detection routine that locks you machine up 90% of the way through the install process"
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| 21:39 | <johnny> please take that somewhere else mistik1
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| 21:39 | <mistik1> rjune_: You have a dirty mind my friend
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| 21:40 | johnny: hush
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| 21:40 | <johnny> no.. you hush
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| 21:40 | <mistik1> How about not
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| 21:40 | rjune_: How's the baby?
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| 21:41 | <rjune_> not such a baby anymore.
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| 21:41 | <mistik1> I bet ;)
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| 21:45 | <rjune_> neither one of them.
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| 21:46 | one is four, the other two
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| 21:46 | <mistik1> boy time flies
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| 21:50 | <rjune_> yup
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| 22:43 | <jammcq> mistik1: hey buddy
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| 22:43 | <mistik1> what's going on Jimbo
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| 22:44 | <jammcq> busy as ever
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| 22:44 | how you doin?
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| 22:44 | <mistik1> I hear ya
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| 22:44 | I'm quite busy but the bux have not started flowing yet
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| 22:44 | Plenty of coding though
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| 22:44 | <jammcq> hmm. cool. so you really are a programmer, eh?
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| 22:44 | <mistik1> heh, looks that way
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| 22:44 | ;)
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| 22:45 | I've been doing everything from Java to JS to C++ of late
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| 22:45 | <jammcq> wow
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| 22:46 | <mistik1> I'm reall loving Java man
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| 22:46 | C++ is pretty cool too
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| 22:46 | <jammcq> yeah, I did some of that many years ago
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| 22:46 | <mistik1> Very powerfull stuff
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| 22:47 | I've been doing quite a bit of Socket programming in it
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| 22:47 | <jammcq> hmm, i'm doing some socket programming in Perl as we speak
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| 22:47 | <mistik1> cool
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| 22:51 | jammcq: Man, After all these years I finally figured out autotools the other night
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| 22:51 | Well enough to my work done
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| 22:51 | <jammcq> wow. I played with it, made it do some odd thing, and then flushed everything I learned, to make room for something else
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| 22:52 | <mistik1> Those macros are whacky
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