IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 October 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:04 | <nubae> alkisg, hey... do you have a moment?
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> Hi nubae, sure, but I'm also programming now so it might take me some time to answer
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| 11:05 | <nubae> no problem... first question... do u think its worth me upgrading a school system running 10.04 LTS to natty?
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| 11:06 | ie... do u think a straight up dist-upgrade is going to work without too many complications?
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> For the first question, (worth to update), imho no
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| 11:08 | For the second question (if it'll work), no idea
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| 11:08 | <nubae> second question is, I've seen its possible to install vmware player/virtualbox in a fatclient environment... do u know if there is documentation on this soimewhere and have u ever tried it out?
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> I've successfully tried installing vbox. I don't know if there are any docs for it.
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| 11:09 | Use gdebi for the installation so that it pulls dependencies
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| 11:09 | <nubae> ok so u chrooted in and did it that way?
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> I downloaded the latest .deb from virtualbox.org, chrooted with /proc etc mounted, and ran gdebi vbox.deb
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| 11:10 | <nubae> coolio and did u try running win 7 in that or win xp?
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> The teacher that asked me to helped him with that ran windows, yes, I'm not sure about the version, probably xp
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| 11:11 | <nubae> so how did he install windows inside the fatclient?
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> It doesn't matter then that it's a fat client, vbox files are in $HOME
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| 11:11 | So, normally
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| 11:12 | <nubae> ah ok.. so i can just run vbox normally and install
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| 11:12 | cool
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| 11:13 | that was the main stuff thanks... I'll leave system as is then since fatclients seem to work fine here and install XP in vbox... its a tradeoff with the new IT teacher who refuses to believe open office is as good as the ms version
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> how much ram do the clients have?
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| 11:17 | <nubae> 2 gig/1 gig
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| 11:18 | i want to take load off the server as its going to crash if he starts running vbox sessions on multiple desktops
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| 11:19 | Last question... in the primary they bought 10 netbooks with 500mb ram and intel celeron cpus... do u advise fat or thin?
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> Server and network specs?
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| 11:21 | <nubae> gigabit network
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> Generally with <500 I advice thins, with > 500 fats, but for exactly 500 it depends on the server cpu + network
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| 11:21 | <nubae> rolled down to 100mbit in primary router
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> If the server is lame though, fat clients with e.g. lxde would go better
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| 11:22 | <nubae> server cpu xeon quad
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> How many clients?
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| 11:22 | (thins only)
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| 11:22 | <nubae> approx 25
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> And client cpu MHz?
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| 11:23 | <nubae> the netbooks?
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 11:23 | <nubae> ill go check... back in 5
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> nubae: check the processor type better
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| 11:24 | So that we get its benchmark from http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
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| 11:25 | <nubae> amd sempron 1.5 ghz/1 gig ram
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| 11:25 | was wrong about ram
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> Surely fats then
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| 11:26 | <nubae> they currently are fats but not ltsp based... im better connecting them to the ltsp network, dont u think?
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| 11:26 | i mean they are running ubuntu natty fat
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> Yes, less maintainance. You might want to add a second nic to your server, to have 2 gbps, if needed.
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| 11:27 | <nubae> yep
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| 11:28 | well i'll try it as u suggested and let u know how it goes... wasnt too impressed with natty myself either... I will wait for next lts release
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| 11:29 | ah last last thing... in documentation it talks about installing ltsp_chroot, do u recommend that, is there an advantage or can I build up the fats the old fashioned way?
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> Do you want to build the fats (ltsp-build-client) or install vbox (ltsp-chroot)?
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| 11:30 | <nubae> vbox, already have the fats
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| 11:30 | though really need 2 versions
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| 11:31 | so maybe use this one for primary
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| 11:31 | and make a new one with vbox
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> Just remember to mount /proc etc in case vbox needs them
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| 11:31 | <nubae> ok
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| 11:32 | I'll try vbox on the current fats mounting /proc etc as u suggest then
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| 12:02 | <andygraybeals> i've been wondering, ubuntu 10.04 server expires in 2014; ubuntu desktop before that; i'm running ubuntu server with ubuntu-desktop package on top and ltsp... so is this okay until 2014, or am i thinking incorrectly?
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> April 2013 (Desktop), April 2015 (Server)
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| 12:11 | That means that your desktop packages, e.g. firefox, won't be updated for security vulnerabilities
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| 12:11 | But it still leaves you 1 year to update to the next LTS, 12.04
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| 12:11 | Updating every 2 years doesn't sound often to me...
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| 13:18 | <andygraybeals> alkisg, aah so your going to upgade to 12.04 ?
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Yes, or clean install
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| 13:18 | <andygraybeals> yea, i guess i meant clean install
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| 13:19 | yea, i just want to do what you do :)
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| 13:20 | * alkisg goes to take a nap :D | |
| 13:20 | <andygraybeals> ;)))
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| 13:25 | <nubae> hmmm how does one force proc to umount again?
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| 13:27 | ah -l that was it
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> You shouldn't ever need to force unmount
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| 13:30 | That was probably proc/binfmt still mounted
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| 14:03 | <nubae> yep
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| 14:04 | question about users and groups every user should have their own group right so in /etc/passwd it looks like:
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| 14:04 | kdancer:x:1008:1008:Kathy Dancer,,,:/home/kdancer:/bin/bash
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| 14:05 | because here everything is all over the place, with most users being in one group
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| 14:05 | but that not always being the case
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| 14:05 | think I inherited some nasty problems
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| 14:07 | ugh... /etc/group looks even crazier :-/
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| 14:13 | question about defaulting printers... on thin clients defaults are correct, but fatclients have copied those defaults, can I just go ahead and change them?
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| 14:13 | in the fatclients?
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