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02:07	<Comete> hi
02:08	<tarzeau> bonjour
02:08	<Comete> tarzeau: bonjour
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02:10	<Comete> i use edubuntu 8.04 for my LTSP server and i have some problems when booting from my clients
02:10	<ogra> how do they boot ? PXE or etherboot ?
02:11	<Comete> all my clients use etherboot
02:11	<ogra> how does the problem expose ?
02:11	(were does it get stuck ?)
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02:12	<Nubae> I've got an ever increasing number of scsi-cdrom and floppy0 drives appearing on users' desktops... is there an easy way to kill those?
02:13	<ogra> Nubae, thats fallout of http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320
02:13	<Comete> in fact they found the DHCP and try to boot the nbi.img indefinitely...
02:13	it is very very slow
02:13	<ogra> Nubae, will be fixed within the next days (make sure to have hardy-updates enabled)
02:14	<Nubae> ok... gvfs move I guess
02:15	<Comete> any idea ?
02:16	<ogra> Comete, try the following commands:
02:16	sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install mknbi
02:16	sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
02:16	sudo ltsp-update-kernels
02:16	<johnny> hi ogra
02:16	<ogra> johnny, pong :)
02:17	(belated)
02:17	i didnt expect you to be awake :)
02:17	<Comete> ogra: ok i will try this, thanks
02:17	<ogra> Comete, tel me if that helps, you are not the first to complain about etherboot performance
02:17	i suspect we need to change back to mknbi
02:18	<johnny> i need to go back and figure out why some of my thin intel pxe boot computers do not work so correctly
02:18	<ogra> supporting LinuxBIOS is a great thing ... but breaking the rest of the world is really not worth it
02:18	<johnny> need to find out where they fail
02:18	one day ..
02:18	<ogra> intel graphics cards ?
02:19	<johnny> still using a rom-o-matic floppy in one of 4
02:19	no.. that's differen.. that's fixed with X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
02:19	<ogra> not needed in hardy
02:19	it defaults to 16
02:19	<johnny> word
02:19	<Nubae> hmm... the firefox 3 beta 5 bug is very prevalent in hardy... its not just me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/215728
02:19	<ogra> tats an xorg bug
02:20	(at least thats what the url tells me :) )
02:20	ah
02:20	right
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02:21	<ogra> feel free to bug asac in #ubuntu-devel about it if you feel the need :)
02:21	.oO(why teh heck does ff use a SQL engine)
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02:22	* ogra cheks if thats on the 8.04.1 list for fixes
02:23	<ogra> hmm, no
02:24	<johnny> sqlite is really nice
02:24	i would personally use it too
02:25	<Nubae> well, this is a bit of an issue seeing that hardy is LTS
02:25	and the bug really makes the entire system unusable, though I think its unrelated to sqlite or xorg
02:26	but the symptoms described are exactly the same
02:26	massive cpu usage and system freezes across network
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02:31	<Comete> is there a complete documentation somewhere that explains what packages LTSP 5 (in hardy) uses ?
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02:33	<Nubae> Comete: you can check here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
02:34	doing a keyword search with ltsp should give u everything related
02:35	hmmm... someone is asking me minimum requirments for low fat clients
02:35	I guess could advise what would be the recommended cut off point for ltsp thin - low fat
02:35	<Comete> so LTSP 5 don't use NFS and TFTP anymore ?
02:37	<ogra> it uses tftp
02:38	Nubae, if you run them a diskless workstations it totally depends on your package selection
02:38	<johnny> some ltsp5 implementations still use nfs
02:38	<ogra> *as
02:38	well, ubuntu doesnt use NFS since a year now
02:39	<Comete> ok
02:40	do you use gpxe for your clients ?
02:40	<ogra> no
02:40	(gpxe is grub2 right ? )
02:40	<Comete> i'm looking for a unique way to handle my clients which don't support PXE
02:41	ogra: i don't know
02:41	<ogra> rom-o-matic images have proven to be very god if you enable the PXE emulation
02:41	*good
02:42	<Comete> my clients have differents cards
02:42	<ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
02:42	there is a howto
02:42	<Comete> ok thanks
02:42	<ogra> (see step 2)
02:43	<Comete> i have a lot of dlink DGE-528T for which i didn't found an etherboot rom
02:43	<Nubae> ogra: imagine the low fat client is identical to apps used within ltsp thin environment
02:44	<ogra> Nubae, i thought you install adesktop on the client
02:44	*a desktop
02:44	<Nubae> a gnome desktop yes
02:50	<ogra> Comete, select r8169:dlink-r8169 at http://rom.etherboot.org/rom/gpxe/gpxe-0.9.3/r-o-m/
02:50	that should give you the right rom
02:50	and follow the howto for the rom config
02:53	<Comete> ogra: thank you very much
02:53	<ogra> :)
02:53	<Nubae> ogra: the workstation plugin copies the function of regular ltsp except installing all apps locally
02:54	<ogra> Nubae, well, that means you should have more than 256M in the client in any case
02:54	(having a gnome desktop installed)
02:55	* ogra would set 256 as bare minimum with a recommendation of 512
02:56	<ogra> (you wont have network swap on by default)
02:58	nautilus (1:2.22.2-0ubuntu5) hardy-proposed; urgency=low
02:58	.
02:58	* debian/patches/80_suppress_umount_in_ltsp.patch:
02:58	- update from Oliver Grawert to make lstp clients not list unmount and eject
02:58	* ogra dances
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02:59	<ogra> Nubae, btw, if you want to test packages befoe they get to hardy-updates, add the hardy-proposed repo :)
03:01	* ogra is still bitter about the bad fix for http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320 ...
03:01	<ogra> but seems its the best that can be done for now
03:04	<Nubae> ogra: what about cpu specs? 1 ghz?
03:04	<ogra> gnome runs pretty well on less
03:04	i'd go for a minimum of 600MHz and recommend 800
03:04	ram is more essential
03:05	<Nubae> ok, got to figure also that most people will install a workstation with local apps for multimedia apps
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03:21	<Nubae> is there a lot of test packages in hardy-proposed?
03:21	ie, stuff that my cause breakage :-)
03:21	<ogra> stuff thats proposed to go into hardy-updates after it has seen enough tests
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03:40	<laga> ogra: will you work on localapps support for 8.10?
03:40	<ogra> laga, not sure yet, i can tell after UDS
03:41	(you should really come )
03:41	<johnny> how much is uds anyways
03:42	<laga> ogra: maybe next year :)
03:42	<Nubae> where is uds gonna be?
03:43	<ogra> laga, there wil be another one in nov. :)
03:43	* laga is quite unhappy that mythbuntu-control-centre often fails to produce a correct chroot.
03:43	<stgraber> ogra: will you be at FOSSCamp too ?
03:43	<laga> Nubae: prague
03:43	<ogra> Nubae, prague this time
03:43	<laga> ogra: where?
03:43	ogra: the next UDS, i mean
03:43	<ogra> stgraber, just for you, yes :)
03:43	<stgraber> ogra: yeah :)
03:43	<ogra> laga, thats announced by the end of this uds :)
03:43	<laga> ogra: i'll have to wait then :)
03:43	<stgraber> ogra: I have some iTalc stuff to discuss with you
03:44	<ogra> yeah
03:44	stgraber, good
03:44	we need a wikipage or something to point people to
03:44	the port stuff isnt easy to figure out
03:45	(it took me ages to find out that i need to use the external IP of the server and not the one where i server the clients on for example )
03:45	*serve
03:45	<stgraber> indeed and it'll likely change in Intrepid, taking the last byte of the IP isn't a good idea. I would like a unique ID, maybe the main gnome process
03:45	auto-detection of clients works great with the version in the PPA so this point will be fixed in Intrepid anyway
03:45	<ogra> well, first of all we need to tell them about the port at all :)
03:46	(for hardy at least)
03:46	<laga> unique ID? what about the MAC address?
03:47	<stgraber> laga: that's what Millexterm uses but I can't easily build two TCP port numbers from a 6 hex-digit MAC address
03:47	<laga> right
03:48	<ogra> you should use only the last three bytes
03:50	<stgraber> using the gnome PID may also do the trick as it's unique on the server and not big enough to go out of the TCP port range (if I remember the min/max values correctly)
03:50	<ogra> Nubae, did you say you had print problems on hardy ltsp ?
03:50	<stgraber> I could also use some kind of ID taken from ldminfod but I don't even know what we can do with it or if it even have a list of client
03:51	<ogra> i dont like to expose any sensible data through ldminfod
03:52	its not realy secure and should be kept at a low level wrt data it drops out
04:05	<Nubae> ogra: no, that was just firefox 3 beta 5
04:05	<ogra> so you can print on clients in hardy ?
04:06	<Nubae> yeah no problems for me there
04:06	scanner issues though, can only scan with root
04:06	I know there is a simple fix for that... I'm just on teh forums reading a post by you about this many years ago
04:06	:-)
04:07	<ogra> thats a pre release chroot or did you rebuild when the release came out ?
04:07	* ogra tries to determine when jetpipe got lost
04:07	<Nubae> RC
04:07	<ogra> hum
04:07	ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/jetpipe
04:07	??
04:08	do you have that ?
04:08	<Nubae> nope
04:08	<ogra> how do you manage to print anything then ?
04:08	<Nubae> direct socket connection on port 9100
04:08	<ogra> that doesnt work without jetpipe
04:09	<Nubae> well, what can I say, people are printing right now
04:09	<ogra> (jetpipe sets the interconnect between /dev/lp* and port 9100 on the clients)
04:09	<Nubae> these are network printers
04:09	<ogra> ah
04:09	well, i meant on the clients :)
04:10	i should phrase my questions better :)
04:10	<Nubae> ah no, haven't managed to get that to work yet
04:11	<ogra> well, you cant https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/224259
04:11	<Nubae> but that's not been as important for me so far... can u point me towards a quick fix for scanning only working for root?
04:11	<ogra> i dont have a functional scanner ... so its hard to tell
04:12	<Nubae> I had it working in gutsy with all users, but I changed something in sane.d
04:12	can't remember what though... I guess I should really document an upgrade completely once
04:24	damn... scanner thing is a hardy bug
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04:36	<Nubae> ogra: is there a reason why when I open users/groups I cannot edit anything in there?
04:36	from system
04:36	<ogra> policykit disables all remote sessiony by default
04:37	i think you can change that in the polkit editor
04:37	<Nubae> ah... ok so from within a session directly on the server it would work?
04:37	<ogra> right
04:38	<Nubae> yesterday I asked a couple questions about pessulus, couldn't figure out how it ties in with users
04:48	<johnny> 2nd hardy upgrad failed..
04:48	near the end
04:48	and the silly thing still asks me questions about files never modified.. my gf never would have been able to do that :(
04:49	<Nubae> upgrades are always problematic
04:49	is there a way to tie pessulus to specific groups
04:50	ie... I make several students part of year 12 say, and I want them all to 'not have command line access'
04:50	So I can do that from pessulus, but how do I define year 12 should have such and such pessulus rules?
04:52	seems the firefox 3 beta 5 bug is even prevalent in the XP Pro version
04:52	swedish edition mind you
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04:58	<ogra> johnny, you use the update-manager i hope
04:58	apt or aptitude are not supported for upgrades
05:02	<johnny> yes
05:02	<ogra> what was the error msg ?
05:02	and did you file a bug, u-m fixes are considered essential and supposed to go into 8.04.1
05:03	<johnny> just that xorg failed, and that i would have to run some command to fix it :)
05:03	it's a different bug than the one i ran into
05:03	before
05:03	both upgrades happened at a time when i am far to near sleep to file a bug
05:03	i had to reboot .. gf needs computer as soon as she wakes up
05:04	if that log file still exists, i'll try to send it later
05:04	<ogra> in /var/log/apt/term.log you should have the error
05:04	or /var/log/dpkg.log
05:04	one of them
05:11	<Nubae> ogra: any ideas about pessulus and working with user groups?
05:13	<ogra> thats rather something to do with sabayon i think
05:13	<generic> ogra
05:13	u there
05:14	am trying to install hp 3050 on ubuntu 8.04 with kubutu on thin clients
05:14	it seems printer is not working
05:14	<ogra> generic, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/224259
05:14	<generic> also when i try to telnet on port 9100 it says connection lost
05:14	<ogra> sorry, my fault
05:15	will be fixed in an update, the bug has a workaround
05:15	<generic> its a bug in 8.04 or
05:15	?
05:15	how ?
05:17	<ogra> read the bug :)
05:17	<Nubae> ogra: I dont have sabayon installed, and don't like the idea of requiring a profile for every user
05:17	I'm just wondering how pessulus ties in with users
05:17	<johnny> you don't have to make it for every user
05:18	<Nubae> you do, otherwise they can't login to the thin terminals
05:18	<ogra> pessulus modifies the settings of a single user or for the whole system
05:18	<johnny> pessulus generally requires sababayon
05:18	<ogra> there is no grouping possible
05:18	<johnny> hmm.. i should get back to fixing the sabayon ui for that
05:18	i just don't have time :(
05:18	<Nubae> ok... so If I from my server run pessulus and disable comand line access, that is for admin users too?
05:18	<ogra> you can run it as: sudo su <user> pessulus
05:19	then you edit the users settings
05:19	<johnny> Nubae, that bug was fixed
05:19	<Nubae> for every single user on the system?
05:19	or just non-admin users?
05:20	johnny: ok, so sabayon will work for just the users I define it for?
05:21	<johnny> yes
05:22	<Nubae> wonderful, I'll try that now, I assume that pessulus ties in with sabayon to allow for profile groups
05:22	<johnny> sabayon lets you assign a profile to many users
05:22	and then you can edit the pessulus settings for that profile
05:23	<Nubae> ok, but I can define different pessulus settings for different profiles, right?
05:23	<johnny> yes
05:23	sabayon needs to be updated to include the most recent pessulus
05:23	<Nubae> cool, it has its own way of tying users together, or works with groups?
05:23	<johnny> but the cli stuff is there
05:23	yes..
05:23	and no
05:23	i don't think it works with groups yet
05:24	lemme try to remember ..
05:24	it's 6:30am
05:24	<Nubae> hehe, ok
05:24	good morning
05:25	<johnny> i wish i could afford to devote some serious time to that app
05:25	i spent much of my development time trying to track down a bug in gnome-settings-daemon after it was split from control-center
05:25	ended up being a bug in libXklavier
05:26	<generic> ogra its for all hp things
05:26	<Nubae> yeah the dependency on other apps is always a nightmare for developers I guess
05:26	<ogra> generic, just do what i wrote in the bug
05:27	<johnny> i wouldn't call it a nightmare
05:27	it occasionally causes issues
05:27	but it's worth it
05:28	<Nubae> would be nice if you could just assign groups to profiles directly
05:28	<generic> ok
05:29	<Nubae> A fatal error has occurred. You can help us fix the problem by sending the log in /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf to http://bugzilla.gnome.org
05:29	<ogra> get the attachment, copy it into place, make it executable and run ltsp-update-image
05:29	<johnny> you are on Hardy Nubae ?
05:29	<ogra> after that printing will work as documented again
05:30	<Nubae> johnny: yeah
05:30	<johnny> hmm.. mine opens up
05:30	<ogra> works here
05:30	<johnny> but there is a bug for others that doesn't
05:30	* johnny isnt' sure why it doesn't work for others
05:30	<ogra> johnny, what arch ?
05:30	Nubae, is on amd64
05:30	<johnny> x86
05:31	<Nubae> i386 now
05:31	<ogra> ah
05:31	<Nubae> I moved across :-) couldn't handle the issues anymore
05:31	and like you said, the 64 bit extensions are not used anyway
05:33	mine died with the following: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'load_icon'
05:34	works directly off the server
05:34	<ogra> what theme are you using ?
05:35	<Nubae> only died when I tried to use it remotely
05:35	<ogra> ah
05:35	probably xnest isnt happy to work on forwarded displays
05:35	can you test without LDM_DIRECTX ?
05:35	(assuming you have that on)
05:35	<johnny> don't use it from a client :)
05:36	lol
05:36	i wonder
05:36	<Nubae> died on the server now too
05:36	when trying to take out something from the panel
05:36	<johnny> the panel was the nasty place :(
05:36	you can't remove icons from the panel
05:36	known bug
05:36	i have no idea why this application is not receiving the support it needs
05:37	i'd love to spend serious time working on it
05:37	:(
05:37	<ogra> me too
05:37	<johnny> fix up some if the really tiny issues that are stopping it from achieving total greatness
05:37	<ogra> but work drags me away from it all the time
05:37	<johnny> need to find a way to get paid to work on it..
05:37	<Nubae> ok, it does look like a nice app, something for profiles is absolutely essential
05:38	<ogra> well, its mising essential functionallity like simple mapping to unix groups for example
05:38	<Nubae> yeah
05:39	that and the other way round... if you open pessulus, it should really tell you that you need sabayon to put in seperate profiles
05:39	<johnny> i'm totally discouraged with the state of web development frameworks on python :(
05:39	<Nubae> but it all seems like it could tie together and be the solution for user profiles
05:39	<johnny> any ideas on how i could get paid to work on it? :(
05:39	lol
05:40	<Nubae> public funding
05:40	the Spanish government just signed over 500,000 machines to Linux
05:41	seems like at least here, public funding is finally a possibility
05:41	so let me see if I've got this right, I open sabayon, then I open pessulus from within an editted profile, disable command line and then save
05:41	that should then be active for all the users I select?
05:41	<johnny> no.. there's a setting in the menu
05:42	of the xnest itself
05:42	<ogra> spain is big in OSS
05:42	<Nubae> yep, most linux distros of any country
05:42	<ogra> there is a guadalinex/ubuntu setup in andalusia with about 400000 desktops ...
05:43	<Nubae> and most governments moving to linux
05:43	<ogra> managed centralized by 15 admins only
05:43	<johnny> picking django feels like picking wordpress on php :(
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05:43	<Nubae> yeah very publishing based, but its the answer to rails I guess
05:43	<johnny> i gotta go to sleep.. maybe i'll lose this feeling of total disallusionment
05:44	rails has integrated js at least
05:44	iirc
05:44	<Nubae> the order of 500,000 more computers that happened recently is also ubuntu I believe
05:44	<johnny> the only framework i found that uses jquery by default.. is another NIH
05:45	it has the features i want
05:45	at least django has the argument of good ORM not existing when it started
05:45	<MRH2> hi anyone know how to fix an "NFS over TCP not available" problem with ubuntu ltsp-5
05:45	<johnny> but this one doesn't
05:45	<MRH2> works ok, reboot client - NFS not avail - leave a minute - boots fine
05:45	<johnny> :uggh...
05:45	cya
05:46	<ogra> MRH2, hmm, that must be a quite old installation, ubuntu doesnt use NFS since a year now
05:46	<MRH2> brand new i changed it to nfs
05:47	<ogra> hmm, thats been largely untested ....
05:47	any particular reason for using nfs ?
05:48	i think you need at least to install nfs-common in the chroot
05:48	for portmap and friends ....
05:48	<MRH2> yeah i want to change things until i swettle on a config
05:48	thing is it works fine
05:48	but needs about a minute between reboots
05:48	otherwise error
05:49	<ogra> thats one of the reasons to drop it :)
05:49	+been
05:49	<Nubae> probably faster to just rebuild image and load up with nbd
05:49	<ogra> yeah
05:50	<Nubae> I use it for my low fat clients, and even then, doesnt take that long to build images
05:50	<ogra> well, depends ... doing a test setup on old crappy HW with slow cpu that can become annoying
05:50	<MRH2> also i build it on my laptop and then have to move it to the server
05:51	more like a current tarball
05:51	<ogra> like an nbd image ;)
05:51	* ogra grins
05:52	<Nubae> hehe
05:52	<MRH2> i need to make changes - see if it works etc... going through a build nbd move copy to server would take ages
05:53	<Nubae> ok, I've now understood how pessulus and sabayon ties together, would be good if this were documented somewhere
05:53	<MRH2> can i put an xorg.conf in tftp ?
05:53	<ogra> why not ssh into the server, make your changes, rebuild image, reboot client?
05:54	not withut hacking up the initramfs script
05:54	<MRH2> but lts.conf in tftp is ok?
05:54	<ogra> yep
05:55	its the default so people dont need to rebuild for it
05:55	have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp_nbd
05:55	you could copy the lts.conf part and make it handle xorg.conf quite easily
05:56	<Nubae> seems a bit silly though because you'll probably need seperate xorg.conf files, not just one
05:57	<ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "xorg.conf from initramfs" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/519
05:57	<ogra> roughly something like that
05:58	and you would need to set CONFIGURE_X=Fals in lts.conf iirc
05:58	*False
05:58	<generic> ogra
05:58	<ogra> Nubae, yeah, it would need some special naming or so
05:58	<generic> i have 64 bit machine
06:00	<MRH2> suppose I could copy muliple xorg.conf files and reference these in lts.conf
06:00	<ogra> that needs more code changes then
06:00	(if you pull via tftp at least)
06:03	<MRH2> i'll look at that as a next stage - but atm it is easier with nfs
06:04	<ogra> i would suggest usng nbd in prodution though ...
06:04	its a lot faster and uses way less bandwith
06:04	<generic> as ltsp server and i install ltsp as i386 arch
06:04	so how i update my lsp - image
06:04	?
06:05	Error: chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 doesn't exist
06:05	<ogra> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
06:05	chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get upgrade
06:05	sudo ltsp-update-image -a i386
06:07	<generic> why i do
06:07	chroot
06:10	<ogra> to update packages under /opt/ltsp/i386
06:10	chroot makes /opt/ltsp/i386 become /
06:11	(for the apt commands)
06:11	try: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
06:11	you will see your prompt changes and you become root under /opt/ltsp/i386
06:11	(yu can exit that with ctrl+d
06:11	)
06:12	that way you can install package in the client environment or make changes
06:12	*packages
06:15	<Nubae> but dont do too much of that
06:15	you can seriously break your chroot
06:15	:-)
06:16	ogra: I have exams for students coming up, using sabayon with pessulus will allow me to create an environment with just the files required for exams, right?
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06:16	<ogra> Nubae, well, an ltsp-build-client if you broke it is easy ;)
06:17	Nubae, i think thats possible, yes
06:17	<Nubae> I guess what I'm asking is, it can lock existing users from opening other files that they had before editting their profiles
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06:18	<Nubae> well, I'll write up something after I've done it, I'm sure other teachers/admins will find that very useful in production environments
06:19	I'm being asked about local apps/low fat clients and not using ldap, could they just copy the users from the server to the chroot?
06:20	<ogra> you need to copy /etc/passwd,groups,shadow and have a mount for the homedir (/home via nfs wil suffice)
06:21	the localapps implementation thats specced wont use ldap
06:21	or any auth method
06:23	<Nubae> so just for a single admin user?
06:24	yeah, but overwriting existing system users in passwd, shadow groups in the chroots could be an issue, no?
06:25	think a lot of users are using the workstation plugin to use local apps... I've not seen the specced local apps implementation yet
06:26	<ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ltsp-Local-Apps
06:26	ohm, no thats wrong
06:27	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps
06:27	thats the recent one
06:29	sadly it doesnt cover the session side at all yet
06:29	that needs to be worked out still
06:30	(transparently changing menu entries to use the localapp instead of the actual progra in the session, printing and sound need to work etc)
06:31	<Nubae> sounds complicated
06:31	<ogra> it is
06:32	but its perfect since it doesnt add extra complexity to the dependencies
06:32	(no ldap/nis/AD required)
06:32	<Nubae> yeah but it'll be a rule for every program you want to use as local app
06:32	<ogra> it has to be integrated with a gui indeed
06:32	<generic> ogra
06:33	<ogra> i.e. the menu editor
06:33	<generic> is that ok for printer
06:33	[00:02:A5:62:1A:0E]
06:33	PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/usblp0
06:33	<Nubae> ldap isn't really required for low fat clients either though, if we copy across teh users from the server with a little script and cron job
06:33	<generic> then i need
06:33	ltsp-update-image -a i386
06:34	<ogra> that looks ok
06:34	<generic> hmmm
06:34	<Nubae> the more I think about it, the less I like ldap + nfs
06:34	<generic> what i am not getting any prints
06:34	<ogra> you only need the ltsp-update-image to make the jetpipe script availabel in the image
06:34	<generic> printer connected locally to server is ok
06:34	<ogra> in the users session you need to set up the printer indeed
06:34	<generic> i did
06:35	oh yes that in /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin
06:35	<ogra> as jetdirect printer ... pointing to the ip of the client (shown on te login screen)
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06:35	<generic> the link you gave me have this script
06:35	<ogra> right
06:35	<generic> yes
06:35	i did that
06:35	<ogra> it needs to be executable (cmod +x ....)
06:35	<Nubae> must be set to executable by too
06:35	<ogra> *chmod
06:35	<generic> now i can ssh after i insert that jetpipe script
06:35	<ogra> and then you need to run the ltsp-update-image
06:35	<generic> sorry i can telnet on port 19100
06:36	i did
06:36	<ogra> 9100 you mean i hope ;)
06:36	<generic> ltsp-update-image -a i386 b/c i have i386 clients and amd server
06:36	sure
06:36	<ogra> right
06:36	<generic> i hope too
06:36	so whats the issue
06:36	i have hp 3050 printer
06:36	<ogra> did you set up the printer in the users session ?
06:37	<generic> no
06:37	on server
06:37	<ogra> right, thats missing :)
06:37	<generic> through gnome-cups-manager
06:37	no
06:37	<ogra> gnome-cups-manager ?
06:37	<generic> i can see on user session the configured printer
06:37	ya
06:37	<ogra> didnt you say you use hardy ?
06:37	gnome-cups-manager is obsolete
06:37	<generic> am confirt able with that
06:37	no hardy
06:38	its 8.04
06:38	<Nubae> http://swan.he.net/~sbalneav/bzr/xrexecd/ - 403 forbidden
06:38	<ogra> Nubae, the code is in the ltsp source already
06:38	<Nubae> ok
06:38	<ogra> generic, no matter if you are comfortable with that, it wont work, its not supported or integrated with the cups backend in hardy
06:38	<generic> so
06:39	what i do then
06:39	<ogra> use system-config-printer
06:39	<generic> ok
06:39	<ogra> which is the new app
06:39	just use t from the System menu
06:39	*it
06:39	add a jetdirect printer .... with the IP of the client
06:39	<generic> hang on
06:40	in system setting i have printers thing is that u talking abt
06:40	<ogra> if you click on "new printer" it will show a selection list, you want "Appsocket/HP JetDirect"
06:41	i only have a german system handy, here it is System->Administration->Printing (freey translated)
06:42	<generic> hang on
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07:49	<cyberorg> ogra, and anyone interested, we are having a meeting about LTSP GUI gsoc project in #opensuse-soc
07:49	<ogra> when ? i'm on my way out
07:50	<cyberorg> ogra, now, but this is first meeting with the student, will post transcript on the ML and do a proper meeting later
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07:51	<ogra> feel free to grab whatever you want from the old code ... note that it surely suffices for a start to maintain a standalone ltsp server locally, but the design should allow that later a remote multi server maintenance is possible
07:52	so he doesnt get run down by featuritis and can concentrate on a tiny part for a start
07:52	(experience with SoC mentoring shows that students usually dont finish anything you can use, so try to lead him into babysteps he actually can achieve)
07:53	<cyberorg> i'm pasting this to meeting :)
07:53	<ogra> well, probably not the last sentence :)
07:53	<cyberorg> ogra, can you join for few minutes?
07:53	<ogra> that was rather an advise to you as mentor
07:54	<cyberorg> heh, too late, we have another co-mentor there, so useful for both of us
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08:00	<pscheie> cyberorg, what's the focus of the project?
08:00	<cyberorg> pscheie, http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP
08:00	<pscheie> tx
08:00	<cyberorg> create a GUI for ltsp server management
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08:06	<pscheie> that looks cool!
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08:52	<kikin> Hi to all can send please the configuration of LTSP
08:53	i speak spanish
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09:28	<kikin> una pregunta como le hago para que mi servidor reconosca a mis clientes ?
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09:49	<Comete> could someone advise me any howto to enable swap over network for my thin clients on Ubuntu 8.04 please ?
09:52	<sutula> Comete: For Debian, a slightly older version, it was "NBD_SWAP = Y" in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
09:53	I don't know whether that's changed recently, or whether some specific packages need to be installed on the server
09:53	(as I don't use a Ubuntu server)
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09:55	<ogra> sutula, give that ltsp5 comes from ubuntu you can rely on it being the same :)
09:55	*given
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10:30	<Comete> sutula: thanks i've found a doc
10:30	Edubuntu Handbook
10:31	bye
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11:01	<scrapbunny> i did an install of ubuntu 8.04 desktop and then followed the directions here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall to install LTSP. my dhcpd.conf file has the correct values but my clients are not picking up the server. can anyone help?
11:03	<ogra> scrapbunny, is only one dhcpd running in your network ?
11:04	(no router or other machine that could serve dhcp)
11:05	<scrapbunny> i have eth0 set for internet and eth1 to a gig port with a static ip
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11:05	<ogra> dhcpd runs fine ?
11:05	(check with: ps ax\|grep dhcp
11:05	)
11:06	<scrapbunny> let me go run that, the server is in the other room
11:06	<ogra> cyberorg, i'm not really intrested in a service maintenance tool .... looks like the SoC student is very focused on that
11:07	(there are only two services we use)
11:07	<scrapbunny> sorry, how do i type the line between ax and grep?
11:07	<ogra> cyberorg, what we need first place is a proper lts.conf gui editor
11:08	scrapbunny, hm, can you copy paste ?
11:08	<cyberorg> ogra, that is next
11:08	<ogra> it depends on your keyboard where it is
11:08	<scrapbunny> i;m on my laptop not the server
11:08	<cyberorg> frontend to ltsp-server-initialize, lts.conf editor and monitoring
11:08	<ogra> on my german one its altGr+<
11:08	cyberorg, what is ltsp-server-initialize ?
11:09	* ogra never heard of that
11:09	<scrapbunny> i'll go try
11:09	<ogra> scrapbunny, you should be able to ssh into the server from your laptop
11:09	<cyberorg> that is fedora equal for openSUSE's kiwi-ltsp-setup -c, that configures/enables all the required services
11:09	<ogra> (as long as there is a network connection)
11:09	ugh
11:10	well, if you need that
11:10	i dont want such stuff in ubuntu
11:11	<cyberorg> ogra, how do you configure and enable services?
11:11	<ogra> i dont
11:11	my packages do tht
11:11	*that
11:11	the only thing you might want to edit would be /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
11:11	<cyberorg> dhcp server IP, ranges, firewall ports opening, enabling xinetd services all?
11:12	<ogra> but for that there are plenty of existing editors that should just integrate with the gui tool
11:12	inetd stuff is cared for by the ltsp tools already
11:12	<cyberorg> ogra, we have a whole yast to setup various services, idea for this tool is to do it with minimal input from one place
11:13	<ogra> well, thats not even remotely what i need on ubuntu
11:13	there is a service manager installed by default if i urgently want to fiddle with services
11:13	<cyberorg> you can then use lts.conf editor :)
11:13	<ogra> no need to duplicate that ... and usually no need at all for it
11:13	right
11:13	lts.conf and probably dhcpd.conf
11:14	and buttons that execute the differnt scripts
11:14	(ltsp-update-image/build-client etc)
11:14	<cyberorg> we also support nfsroot if required, switching between the two is quite trivial, so /etc/exports setup too
11:15	<ogra> thats something the package cares for in .deb
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11:15	<scrapbunnyserver> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
11:15	19827 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /home/dadmin/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/gedit-root dhcpd.conf
11:15	19831 ? S 0:02 gedit file:///etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
11:15	20164 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep dhcpd
11:15	<ogra> set by a preseed value at package install
11:15	<cyberorg> ogra, we wouldn't want /etc/exports populated if it is not used
11:16	!paste @ scrapbunny
11:16	<ltspbot> cyberorg: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
11:16	<cyberorg> !pastebot
11:16	<ltspbot> cyberorg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
11:16	<scrapbunny> okdidthat paste work?
11:16	<ogra> cyberorg, right, thats why you need to switch it on explicitly at package install time here
11:17	scrapbunny, try pgrep -l dhcp
11:17	that saveys you the pipe :)
11:17	*saves
11:17	<scrapbunny> ok
11:17	<ogra> but it doesnt look like its running
11:18	<cyberorg> ogra, package rpm install is non-interactive, it is not desirable to have user input at that time
11:18	<ogra> scrapbunny, can you paste the output of: ifconfig -a
11:18	<scrapbunnyserver> i get nothing on that
11:18	<ogra> as well as the dhcpd.conf to the pasteot ?
11:18	*pastebot
11:18	cyberorg, deb as wll
11:18	*well
11:19	cyberorg, we have preseeding in .deb ... meaning that you can seed a debconf value before a package gets installed
11:19	<scrapbunny> ok, it will take i minute
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11:20	<cyberorg> ogra, these are initial ideas, we have a whole summer to work out something that everyone can use :)
11:20	<Gadi> anyone here use g4l?
11:21	<ogra> cyberorg, right its just what first jumped at my face when i read the log
11:21	<ltsppbot> "scrapbunny" pasted "dadmin@ubuntu-server:~$ ifconf" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/520
11:21	<ogra> the focus should really lie on ltsp configuration for the start
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11:22	<ogra> adding funny extras can come later, most important is to have a easy way for setting lts.conf params
11:22	with intelligent backend that only offers available options etc
11:22	that alone will take up the whole summer imho
11:22	<ltsppbot> "scrapbunny" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/521
11:23	<ogra> scrapbunny, ok
11:23	scrapbunny, which card is the thinclient interface and which one points to the world?
11:24	<cyberorg> ogra, i believe we need easy gui way of getting ltsp server configured and running(15% of the project) , then lts.conf configuration (70%) and then monitoring/maintanence(15%)
11:24	see http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP for more details
11:24	<ogra> well, dont underestimate what it takes you t find geeric ways of the possible options in a chroot acroos different distros
11:25	that alone will fill a SoC
11:25	(look at ltsp manager to see what i mean it took me ages for ubuntu alone to fill al teh options right)
11:25	<scrapbunny> it is set up as eth0 to internet, eth1 connected to switch
11:25	<cyberorg> ogra, see http://www.luckylemon.de/ltspgui/lts.html
11:26	<ogra> scrapbunny, do you still have the gedit open ?
11:26	cyberorg, urgh
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11:27	<ogra> cyberorg, i want a UI my mother could manage
11:27	<cyberorg> ogra, :)
11:27	yes, me too
11:27	<scrapbunny> i have the dhcpd.conf open in gedit
11:27	<ogra> scrapbunny, click on search/replace
11:28	search for 192.168.0 .... replace with 10.43.3
11:28	globally
11:29	then save the file and run: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart (or use the gui service manager)
11:29	after that "pgrep -l dhcp" should return a line with dhcpd in it
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11:30	<scrapbunnyserver> :-D 20443 dhcpd3
11:31	<ogra> good
11:31	try booting a client now
11:31	if you didnt mix up eth0 and eth1 it should work now
11:33	<scrapbunny> i got the ubuntu boot screen, now to see if my ltsp config is right
11:34	<ogra> you shouldnt use one for the first boot :)
11:34	<scrapbunny> i would be SUPER happy BWT for a gui editor for ltsp config
11:34	<ogra> lts.conf is usually only used to override the autodetection
11:34	scrapbunny, it will come :)
11:35	i have a lot other gui tools in the queue that just need some final touch ups ... and cyberorg is working on a really big thing
11:35	(mine are all rather small gui frontends to the commandline scripts ... i hope to get a bunch of them into intrepid)
11:36	<cyberorg> well, you guys keep complaining about no distro contribution to ltsp :)
11:36	<scrapbunny> you both should get paid 7 figures for all your work
11:37	* ogra does get paid :)
11:37	<cyberorg> scrapbunny, google is paying the student for SOC ;)
11:37	* cyberorg does it for free
11:37	<scrapbunny> what should i use now to create student accounts? is the italc for that or just monitoring the stations?
11:37	<ogra> scrapbunny, i wrote most of the ltsp5 stuff on canonical worktime, canonical sponsored ltsp5 for the last two years
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11:42	<scrapbunny> i got a log in screen on my client but it is not loggin, maybe because I only have one user set up
11:42	<ogra> what is it doing ?
11:43	do you get an erro msg or something ?
11:43	*error
11:43	* ogra suspects "workstattion isnt authorized"
11:44	<scrapbunny> it just stays on the log in screen
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11:45	<cyberorg> someone on the kiwi-users ML just got LTSP5 running on SLED 10 :)
11:45	<ogra> and there is no message below the input field ?
11:45	after you gave your username and password
11:45	<scrapbunny> i just rebooted and it logged in :-/
11:45	<ogra> good
11:45	<scrapbunny> loving the pretty bird
11:45	<ogra> yeah
11:47	<scrapbunny> so now i have to set up my student users. any advice/links to the best way? we only have a few weeks of school left so I really only need one account per computer so I can test things out
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11:56	<scrapbunny> i have no sound on clients
11:58	<ogra> did you set anything sound related in your lts.conf ?
11:59	(you shouldnt)
12:00	<xachen> Hi. I'm having issues where the board does support 1280x1024, but ubuntu only wants to do 800x600
12:01	I put in X_MODE_0=1280x1024 and it still doesn't forces resolution
12:01	any tips? :)
12:01	<ogra> xachen, hwat graphics chipset is that ?
12:02	<xachen> hmm Via Unicrome Pro II
12:02	based on the CX700 chipset
12:02	<ogra> hmm, that should work
12:03	<xachen> well the idiot sent the wrong board and it only has DVI
12:03	so I'm wondering if its the DVI->VGA adapter
12:03	<ogra> can you add SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_02=shell to your lts.conf ?
12:03	<xachen> sure
12:03	<ogra> so you get a shell on tty2 and can inspect the xorg.conf
12:05	<scrapbunny> ogra- sound is fine, a student had turned the headphones off :-!
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12:05	<ogra> scrapbunny, heh :)
12:05	<xachen> tty2 just has a flashing line
12:05	no shell
12:05	<ogra> hmm
12:06	where is your lts.conf stored axactly ?
12:06	*exactly
12:06	<xachen> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
12:06	<ogra> that doesnt look like its read
12:06	what distro is that ?
12:06	<xachen> ubuntu hardy heron
12:06	<scrapbunny> only thing i put in the lts.conf was x_server= i810 and x_colordepth=24
12:07	<ogra> xachen, sudo cp /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
12:07	* ogra wonders why he ut that HUUUGE warning at the top of the file :)
12:07	<ogra> scrapbunny, ah, fine
12:07	<xachen> oh
12:07	my bad
12:07	sorrry
12:07	<ogra> :)
12:07	<xachen> just bad day :(
12:07	<ogra> dont worry
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12:08	<ogra> xachen, yu could also link it
12:08	<scrapbunny> xachen- i missed that in 7.10 too :)
12:08	<ogra> so you always edit the righ file even if you forget about it
12:08	i should probably set it up that way by default ... hmm
12:09	<xachen> So now that I'm on the shell which file am I looking at?
12:10	<ogra> resolution didnt change ?
12:10	it should read the X_MODE value now
12:10	<scrapbunny> that would be great if you could. i'm going to try to get some more schools to make edubuntu labs out of their old stuff but I'm the smartest techie they have so you know we need more dumbie downed stuff :)
12:10	<xachen> it isn't though for some reason
12:10	<ogra> you look for /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:11	<xachen> there is no resolution settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:11	<ogra> grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:11	hmm
12:11	no resolution settings ?
12:11	<xachen> Driver = openchrome
12:11	<ogra> but the shell works ?
12:11	<xachen> but no specific resolutions
12:11	yep the shell works
12:11	<ogra> can you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot ?
12:11	!pastebot
12:11	<ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
12:12	<ltsppbot> "xachen" pasted "wtfbbq, eh?" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/522
12:13	<ogra> xachen, drop X_HORZSYNC = 60
12:13	(i doubt it will be used without VERT value anyway though
12:14	<xachen> I love the via boards. the ln series work WONDERS but my supplier sent the wrong series and I gotta make due as I leave tomorrow hehe
12:14	<scrapbunny> i used webmin before to create student accounts, is that recommended for 8.04?
12:15	<xachen> same old same old
12:15	<ogra> scrapbunny, have a look at ebox if youwant a web tool
12:15	<xachen> lts.conf should be setting xorg.conf for me, correcT?
12:16	<ogra> try dropping the spaces from X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024
12:16	;)
12:17	<scrapbunny> ogra- do you know the ebox website? iget all sorts of stuff on the google i just did
12:17	<xachen> ogra: nope
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12:18	<ogra> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBox
12:19	xachen, still not in xorg.conf ?
12:19	<xachen> nope
12:19	<ogra> thats quite weird
12:19	did you drop the X_HORZSYNC ?
12:19	<xachen> yep
12:20	<lns> Is there any insight on users clicking 'logout' door icon (upper-right) and having a rather lengthy lagtime before the logout/etc window actually appears?
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12:20	<lns> Gutsy/Gnome, sorry
12:22	<xachen> oh ok its showing now
12:22	but still no luck
12:23	<ogra> well, probably really the dvi adapter
12:23	i doubt the driver gets proper DCC data
12:23	<xachen> ttp://en.wikipi'm thinking thats it
12:24	<ogra> see what: xresprobe via
12:24	and: xresprobe openchrome
12:24	tell you
12:24	(in the shell on the client)
12:29	lns, sounds like a dbus issue, check the users .xsession-errors for something related
12:30	lns, you can as well just uninstall gnome-power-manager .... the logout dialog asks it if the user is allowed to hibernate/suspend, thats likely causing the delay
12:30	<lns> ogra, oh that's a good idea
12:30	thx
12:31	<ogra> g-p-m is rarely needed on ltsp servers :)
12:31	<lns> ogra, i'm assuming gnome-session is a virtual package as it will be removed along with gpm ?
12:32	<ogra> err
12:32	no
12:32	its a real package
12:32	hmm
12:32	<lns> oh maybe not ;) "This package contains an X11-compliant "session manager" (similar to xsm) with GNOME extensions."
12:33	<ogra> then just move away the file in /etc/xdg/autostart
12:33	<lns> ok
12:33	<ogra> so g-p-m doesnt run
12:33	(hardy has a gui to disable autostart stuff ...)
12:33	<lns> ty ogra...have seen that at a couple different sites (logout dialog lagtime)
12:34	<ogra> i havent yet
12:34	and there is no bug open about it
12:34	<lns> might have to do with my thinclient hw
12:34	<ogra> if the rest of the system works fine i doubt that
12:34	<lns> old compaq ipaq Celery 500 workstations
12:34	<ogra> should be good
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12:36	<lns> oh well i'll nuke it anyway ;)
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12:40	<lns> here's another strange thing, randomly users can't open Openoffice, even after removing their ~/.openoffice2.org dir - check out http://pastebin.ca/1003097 for .xsession-errors that i think are related
12:43	dunno if this is ltsp related or not - seems like the pager is getting confused
12:43	<ogra> there is nothing in that log
12:43	thats the normal log noise only
12:43	<lns> oh ok
12:43	hrm
12:46	<ogra> it means that the window manager didnt get a timestamp and so doesnt know where the focus should go next
12:47	many apps dont send proper timestamps
12:48	<lns> also getting a lot of 'failed to connect to dbus' msgs in there
12:48	for different things
12:48	ah
12:48	ugh
12:49	ok i think i know what it is, they're just trying to recover the same doc they crashed with
12:49	i hate it when i don't get the full story heh
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12:54	<ogra> heh
12:58	<lns> ogra, have you heard anything about the new OOo in Hardy and how it does w/pixmaps from anyone yet?
12:59	s/does/deals
12:59	I know the new version was supposed to "help" but the devs weren't sure if it was the root cause that was fixed or just something they found that was related
13:00	<ogra> i havent had any bugreports during development form any testers
13:00	so i have to assume its fixed
13:00	<lns> coolness
13:01	<ogra> but it might also mean that i didnt have enough testers, who knows
13:03	<lns> well i'll def. let you know and/or update the bug report over at ooo
13:03	i'm going to wait just a bit to start upgrading still...too many classes
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13:11	<stgraber> lns: what OOo bug ? memory problem when displaying a lot of pictures ?
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13:44	<lns> stgraber, yes
13:45	stgraber, http://lns.wikidot.com/openofficepixmapcaching
13:46	<stgraber> I discussed that with Francis Giraldeau and the fix seemed to be efficient (at least a lot better than with 2.3)
13:47	<lns> I remember reading in the bug report that some of that was fixed as well
13:47	was just curious if anyone was still having problems - a lot of my teachers like the students to open large-ish clipart via tools-gallery, which i would assume, would cache them all locally on the tc
13:48	some of them in openclipart pkg are huge
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13:50	<lns> unfortunately, for me anyway, i can't use the xramperc lts.conf fix as, for whatever reason, my intel vid chipset clients won't launch X when it's in place
13:51	so i'm stuck with user sessions locking up
13:51	again though, i'll be upgrading to hardy so hopefully that'll be fixed as well
13:52	<ogra> which driver do you use for the intel chipset ?
13:52	there are two you can use ... intel is usually better than i810
13:52	<lns> ogra, whichever one autodetects, but i've tried both
13:53	i also have to use X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 to get them to launch
13:54	<ogra> yeah, thats fixed in hardy, we default to 16 even to be compatible with the really worst crap
13:56	<lns> cool
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15:49	<scrapbunny> thanks to help earlier today i have ubuntu 8.04 running on a few dell 110 clients and have been able to create student accounts. everything is going pretty well but websites with flash have no sound and run super slow. i remember there was a fix for the sound but what about the speed?
15:49	<ogra> thats a bit hairy
15:50	you need to disable acceleration in the context menu of a running flash movie
15:50	(there is no way to do that globally, so you need to log in as every user once, open a flash movie and change that setting)
15:50	<johnny> isn't there a file you can edit ?
15:50	in /etc/adobe/mms.cfg ?
15:51	<ogra> yes, but no variable for that parameter :P
15:51	<johnny> i don't know the syntax, but that's what i heard
15:51	:(
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15:51	<ogra> scrapbunny, sudo apt-get install libflashsupport
15:51	for sound
15:51	<johnny> is there any way to "preseed" user profiles with that file?
15:51	err
15:51	with whatever the per client config does/
15:52	as in: what happens when you choose that option to disable acceleration, it must save somewhere in the profile
15:52	<ogra> hmm, right
15:52	but i didnt find anythng
15:52	there is a ~/.adobe dir
15:53	<johnny> hmm.. it'd be nice to be able to talk directly the blogger of penguin.swf
15:53	<laga> it'd be nice if they open sourced this horrible, horrible piece of software
15:54	<dberkholz> johnny: the mktemp/coreutils thing should be fixed in 2008.0 final
15:54	<johnny> dberkholz, i'm sure it would :)
15:54	<ogra> laga, ++
15:54	<johnny> i added in the hack to emerge --unmerge mktemp in the short term
15:55	i should commit it
15:55	uncovered another bug in quickstart, after the swapoff issue :(
15:56	i need another machine to test it on.. :(
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15:59	<laga> ogra: will you work on your ltsp creation tool for 8.10?
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16:11	<ogra> laga, ltsp-build-client-gtk you mean ?
16:11	<laga> yes
16:11	the pygtk thing :)
16:11	<ogra> thats largely done ... if i only could remember on which machine i stored it
16:11	it snot packaged though
16:11	<laga> i think it was on a bzr repo on the web?
16:11	<ogra> i'll dig it up on the weekend and push a branch
16:12	oh, that might be
16:12	<laga> i think there is a branch already
16:12	or did i break into your box to get that code? i don't remember.
16:12	;)
16:12	<ogra> thats been you ?!?
16:13	<laga> you should have bzr push'ed earlier ;)
16:13	<ogra> :)
16:13	goes back to dinner
16:14	well, actually breakfast lunch and dinner
16:14	<laga> sounds healthy.
16:14	<ogra> heh, yeah
16:15	its wat i do on days where i only get 4h of sleep, start at 7am and work until 11pm
16:15	<laga> on days like that, i'd demand more money.
16:16	<ogra> heh
16:16	its my regular horror wednesday
16:16	<laga> only on wednesday? sounds weird ;)
16:17	* lns would buy ogra a pizza from his fav. shop if he gives him delivery info ;)
16:17	<ogra> i had pizza yesterday :)
16:17	<laga> i'd send you some of the pizza i made today.
16:17	<ogra> lasagne today
16:17	<lns> hehe
16:17	<laga> it turned out a bit dark, though. damn you, IRC.
16:17	<ogra> its more crisp then :)
16:18	anyway ... i'm off
16:18	<laga> in related news, i found out the other day you have to click "start" in kteatime to start the countdown.
16:18	cya
16:18	<lns> bye ogra - my offer stands just fyi =)
16:18	<Q-FUNK> :)
16:18	<ogra> lns, i'll qoute you on that later :)
16:18	<lns> np
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16:45	<scrapbunny> do i need to restart the clients or server to hear sound after installing libflashsupport or to see the difference after turning off acceleration?
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16:49	<scrapbunny> do i maybe need to run firefox as a localapp?
16:56	is that even possible yet?
16:56	<johnny> you don't
16:56	and yes it is possible, with alot of hacker
16:56	hackery*
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16:58	<scrapbunny> any ideas of how to best run flash activities on the thin clients?
16:59	that is my last need before I can fully switch to edubuntu
16:59	from xp
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17:54	<lns> too bad people don't stick around for everyone to read their concerns
17:56	<laga> but why they've paid lots of money for their support contract and they want solutions now!
17:56	;)
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18:25	<lns> laga, =p
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19:04	<Whisp> Has anyone got LTSP working over a router running DD-WRT?.. I currently have this in my DNSMasq Options "dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,,192.168.1.132"
19:05	<johnny> i had a problem with making it find the nfsroot
19:06	youmight try some of the more obscure dhcp-options
19:06	try some of this..
19:06	hcp-boot=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0,beep,192.168.2.4
19:06	dhcp-option=17,"192.168.2.4:/opt/ltsp/i386"
19:06	dhcp-option=66,192.168.2.4
19:06	dhcp-option=193,192.168.2.4
19:06	oh wait.. that might nto work without nfs
19:06	<Whisp> Thanks I will give it a shot
19:06	lol
19:07	<johnny> well.. try a few of those ...
19:07	<Whisp> FYI, right now the client says "FIle Not Found".. so I tried "dhcp-boot=/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0,,192.168.1.132". But I will give those a shot
19:08	<johnny> obviously your ip may vary
19:08	<Whisp> of course ;-)
19:08	<johnny> and server name
19:09	<Whisp> Being new to dd-wrt, am I assuming correctly I need to disabled DNSMasq as my DHCP server in order to try those?
19:09	<johnny> huh?
19:09	<Whisp> Ah here i am assuming,. Are you familiar with DD-wrt?
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19:10	<johnny> no, but the config shouldn't be any different
19:10	whether using dd-wrt or whatever
19:10	i'm running that config with ltsp and nfsroot atm
19:10	on some random box
19:10	<Whisp> well it has two modes , use DNSMasq as the DHCP server or DHCPd .. currently I was attempting to use DNSMasq
19:10	<johnny> dnsmasq is great
19:11	i have it working here with nfsroot
19:11	as i said
19:12	<Whisp> I think my confusion would be a little more understandable if you could see what i'm looking at ;-). In anycase I will give those a shot. brb
19:18	no such luck.. I Appreciate the help though. I was hoping someone had done this before with DD-WRT
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19:23	<Whisp> Now that I think about it.. I think the issue is around the fact that /opt/ltsp..... Isn't accessible to the router
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22:50	<lns> aww, i missed the netsplit wave
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