00:00 | <mathesis> si vagrantc_
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00:11 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: solamente in [Default]
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00:15 | <mathesis> ok
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00:15 | y para que los clientes tengan in monitor 1024x769 de resolucion?
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00:16 | <vagrantc_> X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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00:17 | <mathesis> XKBMODEL=latam
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00:24 | <mathesis> vagrantc_, para specificar algun atribuo especial en lts.conf para un cliente?
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00:25 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: que quiere ?
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00:27 | <mathesis> i want 3 thin-clients 1024x768 and 1 with 800x600
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00:28 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: usa X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 en [Default] y 800x600 en otra configuracion.
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00:28 | <mathesis> example for specific other config?
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00:30 | <vagrantc_> [192.168.0.52]
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00:30 | pero, yo prefero usar "mac address"
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00:30 | <mathesis> yes
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00:31 | <vagrantc_> [00:60:1D:F0:A3:FD]
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00:31 | [Default]
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00:31 | X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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00:31 | [00:60:1D:F0:A3:FD]
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00:31 | X_MODE_0 = 800x600
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00:31 | por ejemplo
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00:32 | <mathesis> the 5 line?
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00:32 | <vagrantc_> si
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00:32 | y XKBMODEL
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00:32 | mathesis: 4 lineas
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00:33 | mathesis: primero [Default]
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00:34 | <mathesis> pastebin.ca your default please
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00:34 | <vagrantc_> no tengo nada.
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00:34 | lo siento ... tengo lts.conf con 2 lineas
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00:35 | [Default]
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00:35 | X_MODE_0=800x600
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00:35 | <mathesis> 00:e0:29:5f:12:a5 its my nicj for 800x600
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00:36 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: entiende?
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00:36 | mathesis: trata configurar ...
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00:37 | <mathesis> http://pastebin.ca/351549
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00:39 | http://pastebin.ca/351552
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00:39 | vagrantc_, check the second link is correct?
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00:40 | * vagrantc_ tries | |
00:40 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: muy despacio ...
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00:41 | <mathesis> correct my lts.conf?
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00:42 | <vagrantc_> no veo ahora ... muy despacio
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00:43 | <mathesis> privado
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01:59 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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02:46 | <Comete> hi
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02:46 | is ltsp 5 out ?
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05:30 | <cliebow> Comete:it is in ubuntu
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06:03 | <Comete> cliebow: yes but is it still at beta stage or stable ?
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06:07 | <ogra> Comete, stable
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06:08 | since edgy (6.10) at least
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06:08 | well,it was always stable since breezy ... but is feature complete since edgy
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06:10 | <Comete> ogra: so i would like to create packages for Archlinux
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06:10 | <ogra> great !
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06:10 | arch is deb based, right ?
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06:11 | * cliebow cliebow waves to ogra | |
06:11 | <ogra> hey hey cliebow !
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06:12 | <cliebow> Hiya...just getting my soupcon of reggae before heading for work
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06:12 | <ogra> :)
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06:12 | <Comete> ogra: not at all :)
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06:12 | <ogra> what does it use ?
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06:13 | <Comete> ogra: Arch linux has its own packages management system called : pacman
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06:13 | <ogra> rpm ? an own packaging system ?
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06:13 | ah
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06:13 | <Comete> ogra: and a build tree system too called: ABS
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06:13 | <ogra> what you will need is a boostrap mechanism like anaconda or debootstrap ... ten you only need to integrate everathing with your pakage manager
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06:14 | meh ... my typing sucks today
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06:14 | <cliebow> must be your keyboard 8~)
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06:15 | that is my excuse
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06:16 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> hi all
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06:16 | <cliebow> ho!
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06:16 | <Comete> ogra: so the package must contain a lot of things ?
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06:16 | <cliebow> you'll have to build an initramfs and a root file system
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06:17 | whole idea of ltsp5 is each distro builds their own chroot
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06:17 | <Comete> before building the package ?
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06:17 | <ogra> Comete, nope
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06:18 | <Comete> this is not really an integration then...
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06:18 | <ogra> Comete, what we do in ubuntu: we have a script called ltsp-build-client, it creates /opt/ltsp/i386 and runs debootstrap in it to create a basic system ...
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06:18 | then the script chroots into it and uses the normal package manager to install X and some basic stuff
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06:19 | additionally two packages called ltsp-client and ldm exist ....
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06:19 | ltsp-client carries two initscipts tha care for the setup of the client during boot
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06:19 | ldm is the login manager used for ssh tunneling in ltsp5
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06:20 | so after the first initscript to set up the client is run, the second one starts a screen session (ldm by default)
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06:20 | thats it
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06:20 | (in very short)
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06:21 | on the server side we have an ltsp-server package that depends on all necessary stuff to get a clinet setup on your server (tftp, nfs ) nd configures it
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06:21 | and a package called ltsp-server-standalone that additionally depends on dhcpd
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06:26 | <cliebow> nicely put...see ya from school
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07:08 | <jammcq> ogra: you make it all sound so easy
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07:08 | <ogra> it *is* that easy :)
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07:08 | you specced it, you should know that :P
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07:12 | <nofxx> Hey cliebow: tnx for the file yesterday.... gonna ntar it now.......
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07:13 | with you guys experience, I'll be better in this 64 server / 32 and 64 clients dual boot... or better put edubuntu 32 here and here we go
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07:13 | <cliebow_> cool..i should be in and out
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07:14 | <nofxx> cliebow_: hey... cool .... i'm thinkin about the idea of only 32 here too.... now I still can choose
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07:14 | i need audio too.. if makes some difference
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07:15 | and flash player.... need to be firefox 32 or nspluginwrapper...
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07:18 | <ogra> audio wont matter with 32 vs 64 bit ...
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07:18 | flash will
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07:19 | actually flash and all proprietary codecs as well ...
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07:20 | <nofxx> ogra: yea.. i see.... basically the only program 64 bits the people will use here..... is firefox.... so ill need to put firefox 32
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07:20 | its a lan house...
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07:20 | that's why i was thinking about givin away 64.... less trouble
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07:20 | <cliebow_> id be tempt4ed as well
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07:21 | <nofxx> cliebow_: hehe ... now after the trouble I have ya..... xD sorry man hehe
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07:22 | *gave ya
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07:25 | <cliebow_> all in the job 8~) its the money that keeps me ging
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07:30 | <nofxx> cliebow_: ok... gonna throw a coin..... face = 32
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07:30 | ah.... 3 is better.....
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08:38 | <rossman> opinion: under ubuntu edgy what is the best way to get ltsp running? Isn't mucow a part of ubuntu? It is there, or should I do it the old fashioned way?
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08:38 | <wizzy> How do I set debug on pam modules ? (trying to debug LDAP) I added "debug" on the common-* files, hopefully made sure it appears in /etc/syslog.conf ..
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08:38 | <wizzy> rossman: Install edubuntu-desktop ??
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08:39 | rossman: Best way is to install edubuntu from scratch
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08:39 | <rossman> does edubuntu have lust already running?
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08:39 | er, ltsp
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08:39 | (clearly my mind is in the gutter)
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08:40 | <wizzy> rossman: Yes
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08:40 | <rossman> huh
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08:40 | never knew
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08:40 | thanks
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09:34 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hey i try to send for my clients a custom theme for gdm but not show :\
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09:34 | have this at gdm.conf
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09:34 | [greeter]
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09:34 | GraphicalThemeRand=true
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09:34 | GraphicalThemes=debian-moreblue
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09:35 | any idea?
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09:37 | <ogra> dont ever touch gdm.conf
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09:37 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> why?
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09:37 | <ogra> (read the header)
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09:38 | it will get wiped on upgrades ...
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09:38 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> my object is change the wallpaper for the navigation saloom
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09:47 | <ogra> do it in the right file then :)
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09:49 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what file?
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09:50 | ogra: what is the correct file to change then?
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09:51 | <Avatara> custom.conf in various distro
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09:51 | <ogra> see the header of gdm.conf
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09:51 | it should point you to the right one for your distro
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09:52 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> could be this?
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09:52 | # To hand-edit this file, simply add or modify the key=value combination in
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09:52 | # the appropriate section in the template below. Refer to the comments in the
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09:52 | # /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf
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09:53 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhm... i c!
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10:02 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: uff.. have problem now.. :S hehe experience..
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10:02 | NOT TOUCHG GDM.CONF uaff.
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10:02 | i revert again like was create origin
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10:02 | and now the login not show :|
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10:03 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> just have X mouse in gray screen
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10:04 | <ogra> enable xdmcp
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10:04 | since you apparently use 4.2
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10:04 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes i use 4.2
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10:04 | <ogra> (else you would use ldm, not gdm on the clients by default)
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10:05 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ltsp-srv:~# netstat -ap | grep xdmcp
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10:05 | udp 1356 0 *:xdmcp *:* 3814/gdm
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10:05 | <ogra> there is a wiki page about that issue .... look that one up :)
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10:05 | <jammcq> ogra: at the Xdev conf last week, there was alot of talk about extending xdmcp to kick off an ssh session, or at least some sort of encrypted X session
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10:06 | <ogra> nice
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10:06 | <jammcq> well. we'll see
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10:06 | i'm just happy that people are talking about it
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10:06 | <ogra> right, until thats ready we'll have ovetaken gdm with ldm :)
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10:06 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: btw i try to implement the 5 version because have ethernet with drivers r1000.ko and 4.2 haven't... how can i install the doc section not show the step-by-step like oldre version..
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10:07 | how can i follow the way
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10:07 | ?
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10:07 | <ogra> i had an interasting discussion with simon law last week ... with some really great ideas to get the pam messaging going
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10:07 | so we should be able to support smartcard logins etc soon ... i'm planning some ldm sessions at UDS
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10:07 | <jammcq> ogra: do you think that adding 'chooser' support to ldm will happen ?
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10:07 | smartcard logins would be cool
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10:08 | <ogra> dont you see it in your edgy ?
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10:08 | <jammcq> ogra: is chooser there now ?
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10:08 | <ogra> we have a session and a language chooser for now
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10:08 | <jammcq> no, I mean 'server chooser', like xdm has
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10:08 | <ogra> a server chooser will come once i have a clue abotu zerofonc support, so we can poll a list from the network
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10:08 | <jammcq> ah
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10:08 | cool
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10:08 | <ogra> *zeroconf
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10:08 | <jammcq> that'll be good for large installations
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10:09 | <ogra> right
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10:09 | for feisty+1 pam messaging and better error reporting is on my list ...
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10:09 | <jammcq> ogra: any talk of the next LTS release ?
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10:10 | <ogra> not feisty nd likely not feisty+1
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10:10 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: ?
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10:10 | <ogra> my personal guess is +2
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10:10 | <jammcq> I figured feisty+2 would be about time
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10:10 | <ogra> but might also become +3
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10:10 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh, i dont understand you
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10:11 | you want to try out ltsp5 ?
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10:11 | jammcq, what about bumping our version number of the tsp package to 5.X ?
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10:11 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
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10:11 | <ogra> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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10:11 | its the same for debian
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10:12 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> thanxs
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10:12 | <jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: also, check this, if you want to keep with ltsp-4.2
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10:12 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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10:12 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> nice
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10:12 | <jammcq> ogra: scotty and I will be getting together in toronto in early march, to try to make sense of 'ltsp-upstream'
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10:12 | that would be a good time to talk about 5.x
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10:13 | <ogra> ok, i just like to get away from the 0.1xx versioning asap
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10:14 | but march will be to late for feisty :/
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10:14 | <jammcq> well, the next time scotty pops in here, we should corner him, and have a discussion
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10:14 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ermm.. ltsp5 this point :|
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10:14 | your.apt-cacher.server
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10:14 | debian.org? = ip?
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10:15 | <ogra> not sure which servers debian uses
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10:15 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> so
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10:15 | install a debian
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10:15 | and put at sources list
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10:15 | the ubuntu sourcers apt?
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10:15 | <ogra> no
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10:15 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> o.O
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10:16 | <ogra> the package is in etch
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10:16 | dont mix ubuntu and debian
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10:16 | that will break
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10:16 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhmm
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10:16 | ok
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10:16 | so what y type with this?
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10:16 | your.apt-cacher.server
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10:16 | <ogra> either use ubuntu edgy or denian etch
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10:16 | i have no idea what you mean
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10:16 | what shall your.apt-cacher.server be ?
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10:16 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://your.apt-cacher.server:3142/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
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10:17 | Note 1: your.apt-cacher.server should be put as an IP, because dns translation could not work all over the ltsp-build-client script.
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10:17 | <ogra> ARGH !!!!
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10:17 | crap
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10:17 | someone broe the doc
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10:17 | *broke
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10:17 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> :|
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10:17 | then?
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10:18 | <ogra> it stops after sudo ltsp-build-client, ignore th erest
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10:18 | * ogra wipes the confusing stuff | |
10:18 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok .just follow to ltsp-build-client .then stop there
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10:18 | i'll try :|
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10:20 | just last questin
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10:21 | if i upgrade to 5
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10:21 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i remove? 4.2
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10:21 | or leave there?
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10:28 | <ogra> you need to remove it
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10:28 | uless you start off with a lot of tweaking ...
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10:32 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
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10:32 | ok
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10:32 | but this is sloowwwwww
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10:32 | or not work
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10:32 | ltsp-srv:~# ltsp-build-client
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10:32 | NOTE: disabling security APT source for sid. It does not exist.
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10:32 | I: Retrieving Release
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10:32 | I: Retrieving Packages
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10:32 | stay there almost 10 mint :\
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10:32 | <ogra> should take about 30min-1h
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10:32 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> oh
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10:32 | so it work then?
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10:32 | <ogra> depending on your internet speed
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10:33 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhmmm
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10:33 | nice
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10:33 | i think its blocked
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10:33 | so
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10:33 | i remove wilhe that finish
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10:33 | <ogra> it isnt
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10:33 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ;)
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10:33 | <ogra> its working apparently, else it would have stopped after "I: Retrieving Release"
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10:33 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhmm
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10:33 | interesting
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10:34 | this release was more easey to installed right?
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10:34 | <ogra> but make sure to have removed the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory of 4.2 before you even start
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10:34 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
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10:34 | <ogra> else you end up with a mixed install that nobody can support
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10:35 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> rm -rf /opt /tftpboot/
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10:35 | <ogra> (if you want to keep the 4.2 dir, just tar it up)
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10:35 | noo
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10:35 | dot delete /opt
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10:35 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ?
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10:35 | right right
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10:35 | <ogra> only the stuff below /opt/ltsp
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10:36 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> and tftboot?
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10:36 | not include a new kernel?
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10:36 | <ogra> tftpboot is ignored if you use the ltsp-server package ...
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10:37 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah
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10:37 | well.. 4.2 was hell
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10:37 | he
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10:37 | i need u here when this 5 finish to fetch
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10:37 | <ogra> it will oook in the deitro specific /var/lib/tftpboot instead ... and ltsp-build-client will set that up for you
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10:37 | <cliebow_> think of it as a "feature"
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10:37 | <ogra> *distro
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10:38 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> erm .. just have directly /tftboot
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10:38 | no /var/lib/tftpboot
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10:38 | <ogra> did you install ltsp-server-standalone ?
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10:38 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
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10:38 | that was 1st step in your web
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10:39 | <ogra> right
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10:39 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> that and openssh-server
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10:39 | <ogra> it should depend on tftpd-ha
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10:39 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhmm
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10:39 | <ogra> *-hpa
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10:39 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have atftpd
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10:39 | <ogra> wgich should create that dir
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10:39 | thats not supported in ubuntu ...
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10:39 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> wherever.. just i need to result
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10:39 | the realm problem was
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10:39 | i have to test 4.2 at laptop
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10:39 | because my 20 clients
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10:40 | have ether realtek more advances that version
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10:40 | and I don't want to recompile a custom kernel for that drive
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10:40 | r1000.ko :S
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10:40 | so works fine at laptop
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10:40 | and to keep tha pc clinets so somw here not remember now tell me 5 version have that drivers
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10:41 | and not have to pluggin old eth(s) at clinets
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10:42 | that build-client for your new relese must be a progress or something.. it's bad not show nothing :)
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10:42 | <ogra> wht kind of net connection do you have ?
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10:42 | its fine on a 2Mbit DSL line here
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10:42 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no no
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10:42 | jejeje
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10:42 | i'm cuban
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10:43 | i have 2mb's for all my work
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10:43 | <jammcq> from Cuba ?
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10:43 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yup
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10:43 | <jammcq> wow, cool
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10:43 | <ogra> jammcq, no, cuban from fance :P
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10:43 | *france
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10:43 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> cooll
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10:43 | <jammcq> I've heard Cuba is a very beautiful place
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10:43 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yeah
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10:43 | could
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10:43 | <ogra> yeah, me too
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10:43 | <jammcq> ogra: wise guy
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10:43 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> be but my english it's bad..
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10:43 | <ogra> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, do you happen to have an ubuntu CD ?
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10:43 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> heheh
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10:44 | uhmm i have one of there ..
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10:44 | <ogra> or debian if you use debian
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10:44 | great
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10:44 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yees
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10:44 | etch
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10:44 | have etch at server ltsp
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10:44 | <ogra> pop in that CD for your OS ....
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10:44 | moun tit
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10:44 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> just debian base to only run that
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10:44 | jammcq: what? want to comming here? like u ogra ?
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10:44 | <ogra> and use: sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
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10:45 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yeah?
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10:45 | <ogra> than it will build from the cdrom packages
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10:45 | *then
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10:45 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> now u tell me that!!
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10:45 | ohhhh
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10:45 | later i test that
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10:45 | <ogra> jammcq, we should have a BTS in cuba ;)
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10:45 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> when i prepare my conf for this at cuba to HOW TO USE LTSP at places for surf at inet
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10:45 | <jammcq> ogra: I'm from the US, it's illegal for me to visit cuba
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10:45 | * ogra guesses there are some seaways) | |
10:45 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what is a BTS?
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10:46 | <jammcq> without special permission
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10:46 | <ogra> ugh, really ?
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10:46 | <jammcq> umm, yeah
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10:46 | <ogra> i thought that was in the 50s
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10:46 | <jammcq> no, I think it started in teh 60's
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10:46 | * ogra wasnt aware thats still the case | |
10:46 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what is a BTS?
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10:46 | <jammcq> I'd have to go to canada, and then I could fly to cuba
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10:46 | BTS == the LTSP Developer Conference
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10:47 | <ogra> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, ltsp by the seaway :)
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10:47 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yea fly by 3rd countrs
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10:47 | <jammcq> "BTS" == LTSP By The Sea
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10:47 | <ogra> our anuual conference
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10:47 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ahh
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10:47 | well.. how here not fly to any to somw place
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10:47 | so i learn here
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10:47 | to make that conference here
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10:47 | jo
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10:47 | btw stallman is here for informatic 2007 at cuba
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10:47 | ;)
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10:47 | <jammcq> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: how is Fidel doing?
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10:48 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> don't know..
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10:48 | not said nothings
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10:48 | here not speak nothing about him
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10:48 | <jammcq> yeah, he's getting old and sick. Maybe someday, the US and Cuba will be good friends
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10:48 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> maybe...
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10:48 | <jammcq> at least the American people and the Cuban people can be good friends :)
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10:49 | <ogra> i dont think so
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10:49 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> and u came here directly and no for 3rd countrys and i can visit the rest of world
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10:49 | <jammcq> even if the governments aren't
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10:49 | <ogra> fidel would be silly if he hadnt prepared for that
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10:49 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i just know my home
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10:49 | jajaa
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10:50 | well
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10:50 | this finisj
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10:50 | so
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10:50 | fix me
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10:50 | I: Retrieving Packages
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10:50 | I: Validating Packages
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10:50 | I: Resolving dependencies of required packages...
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10:50 | I: Resolving dependencies of base packages...
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10:50 | E: Couldn't find these debs: locales
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10:50 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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10:51 | <ogra> that is from the CD ? or the default ?
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10:51 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> default
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10:51 | <ogra> debian or ubuntu ?
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10:52 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> debian etch
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10:52 | <ogra> hmm
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10:53 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> that locales debs
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10:53 | not is
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10:53 | locales left e?
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10:53 | <ogra> best would be to wait for vagrantc he does the debian port
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10:53 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> to apt?
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10:53 | <ogra> i know locales is there in ubuntu (i built a client yesterday)
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10:54 | try the CD variant for now ... it should be a lot fater as well ... and the locales package should be on the CD
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10:54 | *faster
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10:54 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i upgrade locales
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10:54 | if not work i test the cd variant
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10:54 | <ogra> that wont help
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10:54 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> and
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10:54 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client searcheds for it on the server
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10:54 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i try your way too
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10:54 | that packages was fecthed at tmp dir?
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10:55 | ;)
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10:55 | working
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10:55 | now
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10:55 | I: Found additional base dependencies: libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 liblzo1 libopencdk8 tasksel update-inetd
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10:55 | I: Checking component main on http://http.us.debian.org/debian...
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10:55 | <ogra> make sure to wipe the /opt/ltsp/*** dir brefore re running ltsp-build-client
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10:55 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> I: Retrieving adduser
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10:55 | <ogra> else it woill be broken in the end
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10:55 | *will
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10:56 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ltsp-srv:~# ls /opt/ltsp/i386/
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10:56 | debootstrap var
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10:56 | have this. wilhe keep installing
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10:56 | while*
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10:56 | <ogra> as long as you dont stop ltsp-build-client all is fine ...if you or it every stopped, please rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
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10:57 | *ever
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10:57 | before starting ltsp-build-client again ... else it will likely be broken
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10:57 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> if i interrupt the procees have obligatorry to remove /opt?
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10:57 | iack!
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10:57 | <ogra> no, /opt/ltsp/i386
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10:57 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah ok
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10:57 | final of tree
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10:57 | I: Validating base-passwd
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10:57 | I: Retrieving bash
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10:57 | <ogra> newer versions of ltsp-build-client refuse to start if there is old cruft
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10:58 | that avoids a lot of support ... since it is very hard to find out that your clients dont work because one package was only half configured etc
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10:59 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ermm when this finish the lts.conf its are same place?
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10:59 | <ogra> lts.conf inst needed for a default install in ltsp5
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10:59 | you only use it to override autodetection
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11:00 | then you need to create it ...
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11:00 | but in the same place, yes
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11:00 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhmm. i have to custom to change wallpapers and clients want to save when surf at inet to floppy and flash devices .. only that.. the rest not matters
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11:01 | oh.. server have 1 eth.. have to make a virtual for dhcp but dhcp i guess to failed with virtual eths :S
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11:01 | <ogra> i dont think debian has floppy support in etch by default ...
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11:01 | but i may be wrong ... all i know is that they had problems to get the packages in in time
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11:02 | in any case its some manual work in debian ... ubuntu installs everything by default, and yes, you need to set LOCALDEV=True in lts.conf and add the users you want to use floppies to the fuse group
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11:02 | <jammcq> ogra: I see the information is available for the next UDS
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11:02 | <ogra> jammcq, indeed :)
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11:02 | <jammcq> nice to see the details so early
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11:03 | <ogra> you are coming i hope ...
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11:03 | <jammcq> well, I hope
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11:03 | if invited, i'll be there
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11:03 | <ogra> heh
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11:03 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: my lts.conf have to ALL with this tips.
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11:03 | <ogra> jammcq, you are inventory of UDSes, arent you ? ;)
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11:03 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> to when i make it not touch more.
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11:04 | <jammcq> heh
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11:04 | <ogra> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, ltsp5 autodetects nearly everything ... if you want it more comfortable use edubuntu ;)
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11:04 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> could be
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11:04 | <jammcq> I'll also be in Portland for OSCON, which is happening the same time as the "Ubuntu Live" conf
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11:04 | <ogra> (it installs ltsp by default and sets it up for you during install)
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11:05 | jammcq, yeah, i saw that, i'll probably be at ubuntu live ...
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11:05 | i wonder if mark plans to merge ;)
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11:05 | <jammcq> I'll see if I can get Scotty to submit a proposal to speak there
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11:06 | <ogra> ubuntu live or oscon ?
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11:06 | <jammcq> ul
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11:06 | i'm going to oscon to learn something
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11:07 | <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla btw :)
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11:07 | <jammcq> it's a fantastic conference
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11:07 | ogra: yeah, I got the email notice from mdz
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11:07 | saw UES too
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11:07 | <ogra> we will finally have another edubuntu conf
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11:07 | (i'm asking since dapper)
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11:07 | <jammcq> seems like dtrask should be at that one
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11:08 | <ogra> he's on the list
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11:08 | as well as moquist and sbalneav (who wrote half of the edubuntu book) ...
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11:08 | <jammcq> heh
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11:09 | <ogra> since its in spain we'll likely have a lot of spanish ppl from the local distros there
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11:09 | <jammcq> yes
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11:09 | the guadalinux guys
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11:09 | <ogra> every village has its own derivative there
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11:09 | <jammcq> and others
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11:09 | <ogra> yeah
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11:10 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> stay here
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11:10 | I: Validating libpopt0
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11:10 | I: Retrieving libreadline5
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11:10 | how left?
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11:10 | <ogra> ??
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11:10 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> build-client
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11:11 | <ogra> you mean how much ?
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11:11 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yup
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11:11 | <ogra> if the "I:" lines disappear you have about a third done ...
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11:12 | * sh3mh4mf0r4sh thinks ltsp is re-upgrading againg he distro | |
11:12 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> :)
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11:12 | <ogra> no, its building a mini distro
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11:12 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah
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11:13 | how MB?
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11:14 | <ogra> 4-500MB
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11:15 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uf thats hur
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11:15 | <ogra> its about 150MB packages ...
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11:15 | unpacked about 450M
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11:15 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> can i burn later or put at ftp that files ?
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11:15 | /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archives/
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11:16 | build-client hace any option to set latert where is that files?
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11:16 | have*
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11:16 | later **
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11:16 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client --extra-help :)
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11:16 | it has an option called --kepp-packages
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11:17 | *keep
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11:17 | if thats not set it will clean up to save disk space
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11:20 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra:
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11:21 | he.. i thinkg to cd variant was more faster he
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11:22 | <ogra> CD takes about 10 mins
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11:22 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah but is debian server.
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11:22 | and you sai
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11:22 | not mix
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11:22 | with ubuntu cd
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11:22 | packages
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11:22 | <ogra> but if you have a debian CD you can use that one
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11:22 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> but have 1st
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11:22 | debian are like 20 cds
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11:23 | uhmm
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11:23 | LDM
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11:24 | not is GDM?
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11:24 | o.O
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11:25 | <ogra> ldm isnt gdm, right
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11:32 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> unju
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11:44 | <ogra> jammcq, btw, i heard recently that many people use the nbi image with PXE without problems ... i think we should default to a single image
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11:44 | <jammcq> I don't
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11:44 | there's still problems with some workstations doing it that way
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11:45 | you remember C Catherine Capers ?
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11:45 | I thought you only generate nbi images if they have mknbi installed?
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11:46 | <ogra> which is the default ... we have a switch in dhcpd.conf
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11:46 | which works fine ... apparently even for mr. catherine :)
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11:46 | at least he reported edgy would wor fine iirc
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11:46 | *work
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11:47 | <jammcq> well, then.... If it's just a matter of installing mkbni and re-running the script to generate the kernels, maybe that ain't so bad
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11:47 | <ogra> right
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11:47 | <jammcq> but are you saying it also requires a change to dhcpd.conf ?
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11:47 | <ogra> but we have mknbi in the list of default packages anyway and generate both kernels on the fly ....
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11:48 | <jammcq> so I'm not sure what you are asking then, I guess
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11:48 | <ogra> our default dchpd.conf has the switch in it ... (its still teh one you gave to me)
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11:48 | <jammcq> ok, is that a problem?
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11:48 | <ogra> i thnk about dropping the switch and use the same image for everyone since it seems to work fine
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11:49 | so we would save space and have a less complicated dhcpd.conf
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11:49 | <jammcq> no
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11:49 | <ogra> why ? if it works for everyone
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11:49 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> keep stil retreiving..
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11:49 | <jammcq> well, if people go to rom-o-matic and get a new etherboot image and put it on floppy and boot from that, then its' fine
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11:49 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> why your not out ltsp5-livecd
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11:49 | :)
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11:49 | <jammcq> but we've got many thousands of thin clients out in the field with older Etherboot that doesn't support PXE
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11:50 | <ogra> jammcq, according to highvoltage all his different etherboot clients work
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11:50 | <jammcq> well, maybe 'Many thousands' is a bit of an step
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11:50 | ogra: that's not possible
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11:50 | <ogra> he uses nbi.img with PXE not the other way around
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11:50 | <jammcq> etherboot prior to 5.1 or 5.2 doesn't support PXE
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11:50 | <ogra> so my intention was to do the same by default
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11:50 | since it doesnt seem to have any sideeffects
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11:51 | <jammcq> what is 'nbi.img' ?
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11:51 | <ogra> the one generated by mknbi
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11:51 | <mathesis> good morning
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11:51 | <jammcq> so you are still going to have an 'IF' statement in your dhcpd.conf file, no?
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11:51 | <ogra> we have the default vmlinuz one and the nbi.img in the tftpboot dir
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11:51 | why ?
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11:51 | <jammcq> how is the client going to know if it should grab vmlinuz or nbi.img ?
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11:51 | <ogra> if all clinets can use the same image we can drop the if statement
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11:52 | currently though the if statement
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11:52 | <jammcq> and in the future ?
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11:52 | <ogra> not at all
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11:52 | <jammcq> I don't see how that will work
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11:52 | <ogra> all clients recieve the nbi image
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11:52 | <jammcq> what is the NBI image?
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11:52 | ooooooooooooh
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11:53 | <ogra> <jammcq> what is 'nbi.img' ?
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11:53 | <ogra> the one generated by mknbi
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11:53 | :)
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11:53 | <jammcq> ALL clients, including the PXE clients will load nbi.img ?
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11:53 | <ogra> right
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11:53 | <jammcq> can PXE clients load nbi.img directly?
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11:53 | <ogra> so we can rename it to vmlinuz-blah ... and just use that one
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11:53 | seems PXE is smart enough to ignore the etherboot bits inside
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11:53 | right
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11:53 | <jammcq> and you have proven this?
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11:54 | <ogra> highvoltage has
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11:54 | <jammcq> but YOU have or not?
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11:54 | <ogra> it works for me too on all clients i have here
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11:54 | * jammcq still doesn't see how | |
11:54 | <ogra> i cant prove it for HW i dont have ;)
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11:54 | <jammcq> how big is nbi.img ?
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11:56 | <ogra> gra@edubuntu:~$ ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/nbi.img-2.6.20-5-386
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11:56 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5,4M 2007-02-09 16:35 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/nbi.img-2.6.20-5-386
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11:56 | ogra@edubuntu:~$ ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz-2.6.20-5-386
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11:56 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,5M 2007-01-06 16:20 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz-2.6.20-5-386
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11:56 | hmm
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11:56 | right, i never checked the size
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11:56 | <jammcq> 1.5mb and 4.5mb ?
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11:56 | <ogra> 5.4
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11:56 | but yes
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11:56 | <jammcq> there is NO WAY that a PXE client is booting that
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11:57 | <jammcq> PXE is limited to loading a bootloader of no more than 32kb
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11:57 | <ogra> well, it does here ... or the kernel is lying in its output
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11:57 | <jammcq> a small boot loader, such as pxelinux.0
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11:57 | pxelinux.0 can then load anything you want
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11:57 | <ogra> hmm
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11:57 | weird
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11:58 | <jammcq> PXE -> pxelinux.0 -> pxelinux.cfg/default and kernel and initramfs
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11:58 | Etherboot -> tagged kernel
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11:58 | or, NEW etherboot ->pxelinux.0 ->pxelinux.cfg/default and kernel and initramfs
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11:58 | <ogra> i clearly see it loading nbi.img on the screen ...
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11:59 | <jammcq> but old etherboot, like the 5.0.11 that is in the T-150e's and T-170e's can't load a pxelinux.0
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11:59 | <ogra> at least "filname: nbi.img" indicates it
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11:59 | <jammcq> lets see your dhcpd.conf file
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12:00 | <ogra> its still the same you gave me in detroit
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12:00 | <jammcq> oh yeah, like I remember what I gave you :)
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12:00 | <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5434/
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12:01 | <jammcq> and you are syaing that on a PXE workstation, you are seeing 'filename /ltsp/i386/nbi.img' flash by the screen ?
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12:01 | <ogra> yes
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12:01 | <jammcq> hmm
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12:02 | very interesting
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12:02 | what's in your pxelinux.cfg/default file?
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12:02 | <ogra> so either the kernel reports something wrong, or initramfs ... or ...
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12:03 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5436/
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12:04 | <ogra> that ends up being : DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash
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12:04 | <jammcq> is that your script that builds the config file?
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12:05 | <ogra> right
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12:05 | <jammcq> and you are certain your workstation is using PXE ?
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12:06 | <ogra> well, do the 170s and 150s fal back to etherboot if PXE isnt available ?
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12:06 | <jammcq> no
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12:06 | we ship both flavors
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12:06 | <ogra> if not, then i'm sure
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12:06 | right and i only have the PXE variants
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12:06 | <jammcq> we get them with PXE, and for customers that want Etherboot, we replace the PXE with Etherboot
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12:06 | <ogra> i also see it loading pxe
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12:07 | but later i see filename: /ltsp/i386/nbi.img
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12:07 | <jammcq> and on the screen, you see it say 'nbi.img' ?
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12:07 | wow
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12:07 | <ogra> which is what it gets from dhc supposedly
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12:07 | *dhcp
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12:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's because the initramfs is recognized as "not PXE" by dhcp, and klibc's ipconfig notes the filename.
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12:07 | <ogra> so it initiates PXE abut seems to switch at some point
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12:07 | <jammcq> PXE will croak with a file greater than 32k
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12:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: but it doesn't actually make any use of it,a s far as i know.
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12:08 | <ogra> well, given that PXE as well as etherboot work fine ....
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12:08 | <jammcq> vagrantc: you think it could be grabbing the file, and then ignoring it?
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12:08 | <ogra> vagrantc, the initial idea was to merge to a single image since PXE seemed to use nbi.img
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12:09 | <vagrantc> well, etherboot should be able to use PXE, but i don't think PXE supports nbi.img
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12:09 | <ogra> if only the reporting of the filename is wrong then i start to understand
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12:09 | * ogra curses klibc | |
12:09 | <ogra> *again*
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12:09 | <vagrantc> if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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12:09 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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12:09 | }
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12:09 | else{
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12:09 | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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12:09 | }
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12:09 | <ogra> right
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12:09 | i have the same
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12:09 | <vagrantc> and ipconfig is "else"
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12:10 | <ogra> you mean it sends a second request ?
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12:10 | from the initramfs ?
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12:10 | <jammcq> but that comes AFTER the kernel is already running
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12:10 | <vagrantc> you have the first dhcp request by the PXE/etherboot, and then the second dhcp request by the initramfs ...
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12:10 | <ogra> jammcq, right, its in the initramfs
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12:10 | hmm
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12:10 | <vagrantc> ogra: is something actually broken, or is it just reporting the filename in a way that unsettles you ? :)
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12:11 | <jammcq> is the dhcp client in the initramfs displaying all of the things it received from dhcpd ?
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12:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, it looked to me like pxe could use nbi.image as well, so the idea came up t switch to a single image
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12:11 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yes, i think that's what's happening.
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12:11 | <jammcq> ah
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12:11 | <ogra> instead of having two
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12:12 | well, we should fix the initramfs then to take the value from the kernel rather :/
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12:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: and ditching the pxelinux bit? i'm skeptical, but if you want to try it... :)
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12:12 | <ogra> no, your explanation solved it for me ...
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12:12 | <jammcq> vagrantc: ditching pxelinux won't work. PXE can't load more than 32k without a 2nd stage bootloader
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12:12 | <ogra> even though its still a bug ...
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12:12 | <vagrantc> i've been playing with pxelinux a fair bit the last few days.... there's a way with recent pxelinux to get it to pass the ip= string to the kernel.
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12:13 | jammcq: hence my skepticism.
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12:14 | <ogra> vagrantc, highvoltage runs plenty of schools on edubuntu, he reported it to me ... when i checked i saw the nbi.img name rushing by ... that made me think we could merge to a single image
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12:14 | but indeed only the label is wrong
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12:14 | <vagrantc> ogra: if we put "IPAPPEND 1" in pxelinux.cfg/default, i think the initramfs won't need to make a second dhcp request
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12:14 | <ogra> actually we dont uase any image at all after the initramfs is up ...
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12:15 | <vagrantc> right.
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12:15 | <ogra> if that helps i'll make it the default
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12:15 | wasting time with second requests is a waste
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12:15 | <vagrantc> i haven't actually tried it yet. and it might not pass the nfsroot= parts that are needed ...
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12:15 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Could not connect to http.us.debian.org:80 (204.152.191.7). - connect (113 No route to host) [IP: 204.152.191.7 80]
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12:15 | Reading package lists... Done
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12:15 | <ogra> thus you call it wasting i guess, aww
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12:15 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> E: Some index files failed to download,
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12:15 | <jammcq> you'll still need it for etherboot'd clients
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12:16 | <ogra> yay for grammar redundancy
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12:16 | jammcq, we'll keep it as is ... just fixing up the PXE part to not try to load it twice
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12:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: it doesn't load anything twice.
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12:16 | <jammcq> right
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12:16 | <ogra> or do you mean etherboot with PXE emu ?
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12:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's merely reporting what dhcp tells it.
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12:17 | <ogra> vagrantc, it attempts to, no ?
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12:17 | ah
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12:17 | <jammcq> there's no tftp client in the initramfs, is there?
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12:17 | <ogra> klibc
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12:17 | ipconfig is used for dhcp ... but there is no tftp indeed
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12:18 | <vagrantc> i knw modern etherboot can emulate PXE, though i don't know if it's usually the default.
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12:18 | <ogra> but we had the double request dhcp prob for quite some time iirc ...
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12:18 | <jammcq> sounds like ipconfig is just echoing what it received from the dhcpd server
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12:18 | <vagrantc> since etherboot 5.4 ...
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12:18 | <ogra> some people with huge setups ran out of adresses because of it
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12:18 | <jammcq> vagrantc: we've got a few thousand workstations with not-so-modern etherboot, and probably 10-15 thousand network cards with the same
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12:18 | <ogra> so if we have a way to avoid a second dhcp request i'd be happy :)
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12:18 | <vagrantc> ogra: yes, the second dhcp request is an issue. i know etherboot can be configured to pass all the ip= and nfsroot= stuff , but that's not usually the default etherboot configuration.
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12:19 | <ogra> i dont care about etherboot here, it seems to work as desired ... PXE doesnt
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12:19 | <vagrantc> ogra: and it seems like pxelinux can be configured with the IPAPPEND option to pass the ip= , but not sure about the nfsroot= stuff.
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12:19 | <ogra> if IAPPEND works i'm fine ... i'll try later tonight
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12:19 | <jammcq> ogra: I'm just saying be careful what you change. Dropping the 2nd dhcp request in the initramfs will break etherboot clients
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12:20 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have to reboot
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12:20 | <vagrantc> using IPAPPEND is, for some mysterious reason, "THE USE OF THIS OPTION IS NOT RECOMMENDED"
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12:20 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> thanxs for all ogra
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12:20 | :)
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12:20 | have error
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12:20 | <ogra> jammcq, dropping it from pxelinux.cfg wont
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12:20 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have to try later
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12:20 | <ogra> err adding it to ...
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12:20 | <jammcq> ogra: right, but just putting it into pxelinux.cfg isn't the whole answer
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12:20 | <ogra> its the answer fro PXE for now
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12:20 | <jammcq> you then need to modify initramfs to grab those values passed on the kernel commandline, and use them
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12:20 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i'll keep an eye on ogra and make sure he doesn't break things too badly :)
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12:20 | <ogra> :P
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12:21 | <jammcq> adding 'IPAPPEND' only builds a kernel commandline, nothing else
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12:21 | <ogra> i'm not supposed to break anything anymore ... we're past feature freeze
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12:21 | <vagrantc> jammcq: no need to modify initramfs to do that, it's already parses the commandline options.
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12:21 | <jammcq> vagrantc: but then you'd have to modify the initramfs to NOT call ipconfig
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12:21 | <vagrantc> jammcq: or, it has support for parsing the commandline options.
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12:21 | jammcq: nope.
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12:21 | <jammcq> oh?
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12:21 | how's it NOT going to do the 2nd dhcp request?
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12:21 | <ogra> jammcq, no, ipconfig will be ignored with that option ...
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12:22 | the kernel tells it ....
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12:22 | <jammcq> ipconfig is inside the initramfs, how does it know?
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12:22 | <vagrantc> jammcq: it's designed such that it will only call ipconfig if it's missing something on the commandine, and the commandline overrides DHCP
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12:22 | <jammcq> ah
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12:22 | ok
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12:22 | you win
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12:22 | <vagrantc> i wrote and rewrote and rewrote that code a number of times till i got it working good. :)
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12:22 | * jammcq should dig into the details of the ubuntu/debian initramfs | |
12:23 | <vagrantc> there's only one outstanding bug that i can't figure out.
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12:23 | <ogra> vagrantc, so why didnt you add 'IPAPPEND' right away ?
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12:23 | <vagrantc> ogra: i just found IPAPPEND
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12:23 | <ogra> it should speed us up a bit
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12:23 | * jammcq and sbalneav will have 3 or 4 days soon, to play with all this stuff | |
12:23 | <vagrantc> ogra: like two days ago
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12:23 | <ogra> ah :)
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12:23 | <jammcq> vagrantc: but didn't you just say it is documented as 'NOT RECOMMENDED' ?
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12:23 | <ogra> next time train your prediction capabilities before starting to code then :P
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12:24 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yes, i did. but maybe their recommendation is stupid.
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12:24 | <ogra> if it doesnt break ...
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12:24 | <jammcq> well, hpa is approachable, he can answer that
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12:24 | <ogra> i have two months to test
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12:24 | so i can switch back and forth ...
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12:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: actually, i rewrote the code to handle situations i was encountering where i needed to override DHCP ... it has the benefit of allowing all this other cool stuff.
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12:24 | <ogra> feisty is due in april ....
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12:24 | <jammcq> where is root-path going to come from?
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12:24 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> re
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12:25 | <ogra> well, it *should* come from dhcpd
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12:25 | <vagrantc> jammcq: that's the question i was asking ... if pxelinux is too stupid to pass root-path
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12:25 | jammcq: a.k.a. in kernel-speak, nfsroot=
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12:25 | <jammcq> only if the dhcp client ASKS for it, and I dunno if the dhcp client built into the PXE bootrom will do that
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12:25 | <ogra> well, it should be handed out with the first dhcp request
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12:26 | <vagrantc> right.
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12:26 | <ogra> so we should have it in the initramfs already at this point
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12:26 | <jammcq> not necessarily. a minimal dhcp request only goes after a small set of things
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12:26 | <vagrantc> presuming pxelinux passes nfsroot=
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12:26 | <jammcq> and I dunno if root-path is one of those
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12:26 | filename, ipaddr, netmask, gateway,
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12:26 | I think those are part of the minimal set
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12:26 | <ogra> well, i'll just test it ... sadly i'm not near any clients atm
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12:27 | <vagrantc> if it isn't, it should be patched to be able to do so.
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12:27 | <ogra> but as soon as i come near one ....
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12:27 | <jammcq> vagrantc: how you gonna patch a PXE bootrom?
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12:27 | <vagrantc> as makig two dhcp requests every boot is silly.
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12:27 | jammcq: you just need to patch pxelinux
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12:27 | <ogra> jammcq, initramfs, not PXE
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12:27 | <vagrantc> jammcq: the PXE boot rom loads pxelinux, which we can patch.
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12:27 | <jammcq> so yhou are gonna patch pxelinux or initramfs to tell the FIRST dhcp request to grab root-path???? pretty slick, you guys are
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12:27 | <vagrantc> not in the initramfs. no patches needed there, i don't think.
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12:28 | <ogra> if PXE doesnt hand over nfsroot= we need to fix it ...
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12:28 | well, lets see :)
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12:28 | <vagrantc> alright. now we're getting somewhere :)
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12:28 | <ogra> as i said, i have two months to test it
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12:28 | <jammcq> it's NOT a matter of PXE handing it over, it's a matter of PXE getting it in the first place
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12:28 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i don't think so, but i could be wrong.
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12:28 | <jammcq> but, testing will answer many questions
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12:29 | <vagrantc> experimentation will be the key here ...
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12:29 | <jammcq> a DHCP request contains a list of parameters that it wants from the dhcpd server
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12:29 | <ogra> vagrantc, could you make me a list of variables i need to add to retain compatibility ?
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12:29 | you said you fond some beyond localdev
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12:29 | *found
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12:29 | <vagrantc> it's also pretty easy to get the nbi.img to tell etherboot to grab those dhcp values and pass them on to the kernel.
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12:29 | even on=lder etherboots
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12:30 | <jammcq> vagrantc: huh ?
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12:30 | <vagrantc> ogra: i periodically stumble upon them ...
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12:30 | <ogra> vagrantc, i only know about localdev ...
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12:30 | <jammcq> etherboot does a dhcp request, gets some basic info, including a filename, then loads the file via tftp. How is nbi.img gonna tell etherboot to go get more info?
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12:31 | <ogra> but i'll go throuhg them for python-ltsp's dictionary functions anyway
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12:31 | <vagrantc> jammcq: mkelf-linux is used to create the nbi.img ... mkelf-linux --ip=rom --rootdir=rom will pass ip= and nfsroot= to the kernel, and make it possible to not need a second DHCP request.
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12:31 | jammcq: i don't know how it does it, but i know it's worked since etherboot 5.0.x
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12:31 | <ogra> do we use that already ?
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12:31 | <vagrantc> maybe even 4.x
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12:32 | ogra: i don't think so.
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12:32 | <jammcq> vagrantc: ONLY if the bootrom grabbed the root-path in the first place. I think in etherboot's case, you are lucky, because it asks for it
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12:32 | but I dunno about PXE's dhcp client
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12:32 | <vagrantc> ogra: i tried to push for it before you got involved, and gave up.
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12:32 | <ogra> hey, lets just test it out before we discuss it to death ;)
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12:32 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yes, well, we should enable it wherever it works, i think :)
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12:32 | <jammcq> ok
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12:33 | <ogra> vagrantc, why did you give up ?
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12:33 | <jammcq> i'm gonna go back to doing my database development
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12:33 | <ogra> MKELF_LINUX_OPTS="--ip=dhcp"
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12:33 | ah, thats what we set
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12:33 | <vagrantc> ogra: because i wanted to spend time getting more important things done than convincing people?
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12:33 | i did, of course, make it configurable :)
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12:34 | <ogra> well, i dont see a reason to convince anyone here ... it fixes an issue :)
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12:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm glad you see it that way :)
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12:37 | <ogra> ;)
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12:57 | <jamie_> I am having trouble with a client not loading a sound blaster module after it being mentioned in the lts.conf. If I log into a terminal on the client and lsmod the sb module is not there if i tpye mkmod sb esstype=1869 io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 the modules loads and anyone point me in the right way please.
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13:10 | <Nick_Hill> Hi jamie_ , So you can load the modules on the thin client, but they don't load from the line in lts.conf?
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13:10 | <Nick_Hill> jamie_, What is your lts.conf line?
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13:14 | <jamie_> MODULE_01 = "sb esstype=1869 io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1"
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13:23 | <vagrantc> jammcq: try without the "
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13:23 | <vagrantc> jamie_: try without the "
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13:23 | jammcq: would it be bad to have getltscfg strip out " ?
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13:24 | <jammcq> vagrantc: some things need the quotes
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13:24 | <vagrantc> jammcq: ok.
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13:25 | <jammcq> it could strip leading and trailing quotes I suppose
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13:25 | well
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13:25 | <vagrantc> gets tricky
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13:25 | <jammcq> that might get messy
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13:25 | <jamie_> vagrantc tried with " and with out
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13:25 | <vagrantc> jamie_: what distro?
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13:26 | <jamie_> ubuntu edgy
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13:27 | I can load the module manully and idea how to restart esd on the client?
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13:28 | * vagrantc is trying to see if there's a bug in ubuntu/debian MODULE_* handling | |
13:28 | <jamie_> cheers
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13:28 | <ogra> vagrantc, smells like
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13:28 | :/
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13:29 | <vagrantc> ogra: i suspect it doesn't handle module options ... or whatever they're called
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13:29 | <ogra> jamie_, you can add a line to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modprobe.d/...
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13:29 | vagrantc, to me it looks like it snips off the options
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13:30 | so it tries to load the module but omits everything after te module name
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13:30 | modbrobe.d should work fine as a workaround though
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13:30 | <vagrantc> ogra: or maybe even not omitting ... i.e. ... sb esstype
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13:31 | modprobe sb esstype ...
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13:31 | <vagrantc> awk -F= '$1 ~ /^MODULE_/ { print $2 }'
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13:31 | <mathesis> hi vagrantc
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13:31 | <vagrantc> mathesis: hi
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13:32 | <ogra> vagrantc, yeah ... :/
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13:32 | <mathesis> vagrantc, the think clien no start in 1024x768
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13:32 | <ogra> thats ugly ....
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13:32 | <vagrantc> mathesis: you're running edubuntu ... have you met ogra ? :)
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13:32 | <ogra> yes we have met
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13:33 | <mathesis> ogra, how can i configure lts.conf for think client with its mac 00:AB:45:FG:63 start 1024x768
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13:33 | <vagrantc> ogra: actually, it's in a for loop, so the whitespace will cause ... modprobe sb ; modprobe esstype
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13:33 | mathesis: that looks like an incomplete mac address
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13:34 | <ogra> mathesis, get the right X_HORZSYNC X_VERTREFRESH values for your monitor and add them to lts.conf
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13:34 | <vagrantc> mathesis: should be at least this long: 00:60:1D:F0:A3:FD
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13:34 | <ogra> vagrantc, right, i have no clue wo added that code, i ever touched it
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13:34 | *never
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13:35 | <vagrantc> ogra: goes all the way back to mdz's revision 86
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13:36 | <ogra> vagrantc, but given that we want a full line per MODULE_XX we should just iterate over these and execute the full line
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13:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah.
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13:36 | <mathesis> ogra, only is a example mac
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13:36 | <ogra> i dont think awk is needed at all
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13:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: right.
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13:37 | ogra: would be nice to figure out a slicker iteration than hard coding like 10 MODULE lines ...
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13:37 | jammcq: how many MODULE_XX lines does ltsp 4.x support?
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13:37 | <ogra> we have such a line anywhere
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13:37 | <jammcq> I think 10
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13:37 | <mathesis> ogra, in web edubuntu.org there is documentation for atribute lts.conf?
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13:38 | <ogra> mathesis, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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13:39 | <mathesis> ok
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13:39 | <ogra> in feisty+1 we'll have an easy commandline tool that will drop out all valid variables and values ...
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13:39 | *allowed values
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13:40 | <vagrantc> for etch+1 we'll be running on cold fusion.
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13:40 | <ogra> because etch+1 will release in 2020 ?
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13:40 | <jammcq> in jammcq+1, we'll be driving around in flying cars
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13:40 | <ogra> and we have cold fusion then ?
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13:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: something like that, yes.
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13:41 | <ogra> how is the release looking ?
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13:41 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's been hovering around 100 RC bugs for several weeks.
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13:42 | ogra: bugs get closed, bugs get opened....
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13:42 | <ogra> so might still take some time ...
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13:42 | i wonder if feisty releases earlier ....
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13:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: it could happen, yes.
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13:42 | <ogra> i already saw complaints about gnome being to old in testing
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13:43 | * vagrantc heard some rumours about gnome being old in testing partially because of ubuntu... | |
13:43 | <ogra> why is that ?
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13:43 | * vagrantc looks for URL | |
13:43 | <ogra> all our packages are available and tested ...
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13:44 | <vagrantc> something about the maintainer being asked not to upload to debian ...
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13:44 | it was some rebuttal around mark shuttleworth's posts to suse or something ...
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13:46 | * vagrantc is having trouble with http | |
13:48 | <mathesis> ogra, for configure audio on webrowser?
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13:49 | <vagrantc> ogra: i've been having weird network troubles since a brief power outage last night....
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13:49 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, seb128 isnt allowed to upload to debian during debian archive freezes ... and apparently they didnt want the packages in tpu
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13:50 | the first two releases we uploaded to xperimental and pulled from there
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13:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, it was a pretty vague accusation by someone from suse .. . i have no idea what the real meat behind it is.
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13:51 | <ogra> mathesis, it should work out of the box in edubuntu (indeed if you have that bug with the MODULE_xx line it wont because your driver doesnt get loaded)
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13:51 | mathesis, are yu sure thats an ISA soundcard ?
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13:52 | <ogra> vagrantc, he's right, there are/were issues with that, but it was from both sides ....
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13:54 | <vagrantc> ogra: fair enough.
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13:54 | ogra: it seemed like a pretty brutal accusation when i read it, and never saw a rebuttal. so i was kind of shocked.
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13:54 | <jamie_> hi i have managed to load the modules now by adding a line in /opt/i386/ltsp/etc/modulde.d/options. I am not geting any sound still This is funny. Sound is working on my laptop. But still not on the sff with needs this module.
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13:56 | * vagrantc 's DNS is all fscked up | |
13:56 | <vagrantc> www.google.com is returning 1.0.0.0
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13:56 | <ogra> who needs DNS ... real geeks know all IPs from the top of their head
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13:56 | 209.85.129.104
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13:57 | ;)
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13:57 | <vagrantc> alkfjg
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14:02 | <sepski> vagrantc, nscd or mdns installed ?
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14:04 | <sepski> i had the same once, and i seam to remmber it was related to something like that. ofcoure my mind is a swamp but..
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14:05 | <vagrantc> i use dnsmasq , but it's happening at one of the two routers i go through ...
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15:15 | <dan__t> Anyone use Vino inside of LTSP?
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15:55 | <knight> Hi all
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15:55 | has anybody inplement a AMD 64 Ltsp setup with UBUNTU
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18:18 | <jammcq> howdie
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18:18 | <ogra> heya
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18:20 | <mathesis> how are you ogra
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18:21 | <rjune> hey ji
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18:21 | jim
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18:21 | <jammcq> hey rjune, how ya doing?
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18:21 | <rjune> busy
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18:21 | tired
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18:22 | <ogra> mathesis, tired ... working since 16h
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18:22 | <rjune> hey, I was tired first. :-)
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18:22 | * ogra finishes the last upload and finally goes away from the kbd ... | |
18:22 | <mathesis> :0
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23:44 | <krinns> i have a thum scaneer i need to have this attatched with thinclint
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23:44 | how local support of usb devices works at thin clienr
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