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Channel log from 13 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <lns> I know, I know. ;)
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| 00:03 | So what do you say to the fact that the server serves the xserver to the thin client? Wouldn't that supersede any implications of the client being able to serve *anything* without the server? So...it's like... there and stuff.
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| 00:04 | btw, search for "ltsp" on youtube and find "Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia". Gross.
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| 00:04 | <sbalneav> Why gross?
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| 00:06 | <lns> I dunno, just crossing religion and Linux creeps me out.
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| 00:06 | gives me the "tux is gonna sing bible hymns to you" creeps. ;)
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| 00:08 | <rafaelfeito> well, thanks(besides i'm a bit confusing with all this: I'll study more) ... and good night
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| 00:08 | <lns> good night rafaelfeito
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| 00:14 | <lns> besides, we all know this: http://www.venturecake.com/ubuntu-now-bigger-than-jesus/ =p
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| 00:37 | <lns> You guys think Ubuntu/other packaged LTSP distros will ever have their 'ltspadmin' program back? That was kind of a cool program, I've always loved curses for that kind of monitoring
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| 00:45 | <vagrantc_> lns: something like that is definitely on the TODO list
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| 00:46 | <lns> vagrantc, =) right on
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| 00:46 | <vagrantc_> until recently, LTSP5 has still basically been catching up to LTSP 4, feature-wise
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| 00:46 | <lns> I could totally see a NOC with a bunch of projectors/large LCDs on the wall cycling through SSH sessions w/ltspadmin running on them all
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| 00:48 | <vagrantc_> still missing localapps and something like ltspadmin ... and maybe serial printer support
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| 00:50 | <lns> ooo, the POS market would love you for that
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| 00:50 | Is Canonical a publicly traded company?
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| 00:51 | <vagrantc_> ironically, localapps are easier to support in LTSP5 than LTSP4
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| 00:51 | at least, in theory... since anything built for your host distro can run on the thin client
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| 02:52 | <thermoman> moin
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| 04:56 | <Penberthy> hey can anyone tell me if the HP Compaq t5135 using HP ThinConnect will work with LTSP
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| 06:05 | <Shingoshi> For those of you who like dark themes, I have created one for Mozillazine: http://userstyles.org/styles/3400
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| 07:59 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:00 | <Q-FUNK> 'morning Scott!
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| 08:03 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:03 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:25 | <Ryudo> sablneav :D
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| 08:25 | sbalneav :D
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| 08:26 | <bengoa> !s
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| 08:26 | <ltspbot`> bengoa: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> g'morning all
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| 09:02 | <elisboa> morning
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| 09:03 | nearly afternoon here
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| 09:05 | <cyberorg> moin jammcq
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| 09:16 | <AvengerX> Hello, anyone ever made a US-International keyboard actually work with deadkeys on LTSP Xorg terminals?
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| 09:18 | Deadkeys worked on abnt2 layout (XKBModel abnt2, XKBLayout br), but not with XKBModel pc104 XKBLayout us_intl as it was supposed to work
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| 09:18 | <elisboa> AvengerX: have you tried pc105?
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| 09:20 | <AvengerX> elisboa: yes, same result
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| 09:21 | like I was choosing just 'us' layout
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| 09:21 | deadkeys work on abnt2 mapping though, but I cant just change all the keyboards :)
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| 09:22 | <elisboa> That's very weird
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| 09:25 | <AvengerX> sorry, a stupid 'reboot' window just popped when I was typing spacebar :P
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| 09:25 | and default option was indeed 'yes, reboot now'
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| 09:26 | <ogra> you could use http://www.igt-industries.com/overlays.html?gclid=CJeSqNLQwI4CFSNMZwodNXsX0g
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| 09:26 | :)
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| 09:27 | did you explicitly set "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" ?
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| 09:27 | <AvengerX> no, my idea is actually to -unset- this option
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| 09:28 | It is how deadkeys work on windows and I local X installations I suppose
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| 09:30 | lol, the keyboard keys 'renaming' is fun but I'm not sure it'll work on public labs :P
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| 09:31 | and even the keys disposition is kinda different from keyb to keyb, and also the deadkeys working is something which I expect to be 'already done' as it always worked with us-acentos keymap and is supposed to be supported via us_intl
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| 09:31 | <ogra> yeah, ist surely one or the other hour of work for an extern to relabel a whole company :)
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| 09:32 | <AvengerX> It it were a nodeadkeys xkbvariant set, the other layout (abnt2) wouldn't have deadkeys working as well -- but when I choose this other layout, deadkeys work just fine.
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| 09:32 | <ogra> did you try with plain us keymap ?
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| 09:32 | <AvengerX> yeah
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| 09:32 | <ogra> hmm
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| 09:33 | weird
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| 09:33 | <AvengerX> it works exactly like the us_intl, no deadkeys
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| 09:33 | I think I will have to try to know and rewrite the keymap symbols file
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| 09:33 | <ogra> did you try different model variants ? i.e. from 101 on ?
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| 09:33 | <AvengerX> yeah, tried that pc101 one
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| 09:33 | maybe these models don't have 'deadkeys' registered on them?
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| 09:34 | <ogra> 101 should afaik
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| 09:34 | <AvengerX> hmmm it's worth a retry... already tried lotsa things maybe I missed the combination of pc101+us_intl :)
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| 09:34 | <ogra> but then its very rare that i use us keyboards, so dont count on my word to much :)
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| 09:35 | <AvengerX> as the abnt2 is a model and 'br' the layout, this model may be the problem
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| 09:35 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:35 | <AvengerX> np... it seems no one ever fixed this before heh
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| 09:35 | at least according to google
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| 09:36 | Well, thanks for the help ogra... Gotta go now
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| 11:42 | <joebob777as7> hey ogra morning!
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| 11:45 | are we all prepped and set to go fusion!
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: I submitted my patches to ogra today.
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| 11:54 | they consisted of removing the S15-prevent-compiz file. :)
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| 12:01 | <joebob777as7> lol sweet. ok well i'll try it then
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| 12:02 | well i mean running them i've already removed the file
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| 12:21 | <sadams> hi - i have a question re ltsp (edubuntu) - am i in the right place ?
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| 12:22 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, i know you don't really want to troubleshoot compiz.. but I was just wondering if you would know why gutsy compiz works perfect after fresh gutsy install but not in ltsp?
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| 12:24 | <sadams> i have posted a req for help on the ubuntu forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549995) if there is anyone here who can help me please let me know how i should proceed - thanks :-)
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| 12:24 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, i'm running it on my x60 tablet
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| 12:25 | <ogra> sadams, edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 12:25 | sadams, set LOCALDEV=False in there
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| 12:26 | <sadams> aha - many thanks - i missed that!
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| 12:26 | thx ogra :-)
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| 12:26 | <ogra> sadams, alternatively you can leave it on and remove users from the fuse group
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| 12:26 | so you can enable it on a per user base
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| 12:26 | <sadams> yes... nice too :-)
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| 12:26 | i will try both.. many thx for rapid response
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| 12:27 | <joebob777as7> ogra, have any idea? i was asking in #compiz-fusion and they say i'm getting this because I don't have my graphics drivers installed. I thought they were installed by default if intel?
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| 12:30 | <gvy> halo!
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| 12:31 | <joebob777as7> ogra?
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| 12:36 | <joebob777as7> ogra, sbalneav the guys at compiz-fusion are telling me that my xorg.conf is showing up as an nvidia card in my intel x60?
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| 12:58 | <rafaelcardoso> ltsp 5 have rdesktop setings like ltsp 4.2?
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> rafaelcardoso: which linux distro ?
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| 13:00 | <rafaelcardoso> ubuntu
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> which release?
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| 13:01 | <rafaelcardoso> 7.04
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> seems like rdesktop wasn't added till after the feisty/7.04 release
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| 13:02 | relatively easy to add yourself, though.
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| 13:03 | <rafaelcardoso> hmm, ltsp 4.2 its possible to mount usb pen drives?
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 13:03 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 13:04 | <rafaelcardoso> tks
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| 13:04 | <white_n_azz> I need a little help - any takers?
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| 13:05 | <vagrantc> white_n_azz: just ask your question, and someone will respond if they can help
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| 13:06 | <white_n_azz> I am trying to get my first system connected and I get to the point where switchroot comes in and I am seeing 'nfs: server IP_ADDRESS not responding, still trying' 3 times
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| 13:06 | but I can mount the nfs on another system easily
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| 13:06 | <joebob777as7> restart dhcp white_n_azz
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| 13:06 | <white_n_azz> and I added the system to DNS so I know it's there but I also added it to the NFS server /etc/hosts just in case
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| 13:07 | <joebob777as7> i've had a few issues that just needed a dhcp restart...
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| 13:07 | <white_n_azz> and according to logs on nfs server, it's getting mounted
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| 13:07 | authenticated mount request from install1.tobyhouse.com:1003 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386)
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| 13:08 | dhcpd is on another server and the system gets dhcpd instructions fine
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| 13:09 | <white_n_azz> ok restarted dhcpd and restarted workstation...same results
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| 13:10 | <joebob777as7> well i'm out of ideas
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| 13:10 | <white_n_azz> nfs/ltsp server is logging connection from workstation but workstation seems to stop the moment after it runs 'switchroot' (Freeing ram used by initramfs)
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| 13:11 | the issue is that I don't know what is supposed to happen next so I don't know where it's breaking down
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| 13:12 | <joebob777as7> me neither i'm sorta new to all this. I know that I had build problems not everything was getting put in the image but if you have others working...
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| 13:13 | <white_n_azz> I don't have others working...this is my first workstation
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| 13:13 | <ogra> white_n_azz, what ltsp release and wich distros are involved ?
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| 13:13 | <joebob777as7> hey ogra!
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| 13:13 | <white_n_azz> 4.2 and CentOS 5
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| 13:13 | <ogra> joebob777as7, i bet your server has a nvdidia card then ;)
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| 13:13 | <joebob777as7> yes it does
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| 13:13 | <ogra> so you analyzed the servers config ;)
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| 13:13 | <joebob777as7> uhh...
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| 13:14 | <white_n_azz> me - servers config?
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| 13:14 | <ogra> the client config is generated during client boot
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| 13:14 | white_n_azz, no
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| 13:14 | white_n_azz, sounds a bit like your chroot is broken ... swichtchroot runs init in the nfs mount which then shold run over the initscripts
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| 13:15 | <joebob777as7> I looked at xorg.0.log actually i sent it over to they #compiz-fusion guys and they were baffled as I figured they would be... so what should i do ogra? my other thicks are going to be nvidia so should i just leave it?:
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| 13:15 | white_n_azz, rebuild client?
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| 13:15 | <ogra> just enable compiz in gconf-editor ...
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| 13:16 | the script you deleted in your chroot has forced it to metacity
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| 13:17 | <joebob777as7> i'm in the gconf editor how do i enable... sorry for my ltsp newbness
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| 13:17 | <white_n_azz> rebuild client?
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| 13:18 | <ogra> joebob777as7, desktop/applications/window_manager or so
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| 13:18 | <joebob777as7> ltsp-build-client white_n_azz I think that will fix it
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| 13:18 | <ogra> white_n_azz, an ltsp5 term
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| 13:18 | joebob777as7, that was pretty different in 4.2 :)
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| 13:18 | no ltsp-build-client there
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| 13:19 | <joebob777as7> oh ok
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| 13:19 | ogra, so do i change value from /usr/bin/metacity to /usr/bin/compiz for both current and default values?
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| 13:20 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:20 | not sure if you need to log out
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| 13:21 | <joebob777as7> oh ok so this is the configuration for just this client? would this have defaulted to compiz if I had created the user after removing the file that blocked compiz?
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| 13:21 | <ogra> its the config of this user
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| 13:21 | <ogra> if you create new users now that the script is gone the autoprober will just do its work
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| 13:21 | <white_n_azz> if my workstation mounts /opt/ltsp/i386 as root, how would chroot ever be involved there?
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| 13:22 | <ogra> if the card is capable to do composite it willl just work then
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| 13:22 | /opt/ltsp/i386 contains a chroot
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| 13:23 | <joebob777as7> awesome i'm going to logout and log back in...
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| 13:24 | <white_n_azz> [root@srv2 ltsp]# ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/chroot
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| 13:24 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Sep 11 15:08 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/chroot -> ../../bin/busybox
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| 13:25 | there is a chroot binary...
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| 13:25 | <ogra> no
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| 13:25 | <joebob777as7> ogra i'm still getting desktop effects could not be enabled? should i delete this user and recreate it?
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| 13:26 | <ogra> joebob777as7, thats rather a matter of configuring X then, it should work as is
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| 13:26 | <joebob777as7> hmm... well i went back to the gconf-editor and it changed it back...?
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| 13:26 | <white_n_azz> ltspadmin setup automatically added this to /etc/exports - /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles which didn't exist so I added it manually and restarted nfs but it still didn't seem to make a difference
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| 13:27 | <ogra> white_n_azz, a chroot is a mini os inside your filesystem ... you can use the chroot command to chroot into it
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| 13:27 | :)
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| 13:27 | /opt/ltsp/i386/ contains a complete system
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| 13:27 | <Ryudo> sbalneav :D
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| 13:27 | <white_n_azz> OK - why doesn't it just work?
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| 13:27 | <ogra> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ would get you inside this system as if you run it ...
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| 13:27 | <white_n_azz> I get that - I've used chroot
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| 13:27 | <ogra> white_n_azz, no idea, i dont know the 4.2 code ....
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| 13:28 | <Ryudo> sbalneav did you can send me your slide shows ?
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| 13:28 | <white_n_azz> OK - fair enough...should I abandon 4.2 code or go to the list?
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| 13:28 | <ogra> well, you could first do some tests :)
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| 13:28 | try to mount the dir from another workstation in your lan for example
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| 13:29 | <white_n_azz> I have
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| 13:29 | <ogra> so that works ?
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| 13:29 | <white_n_azz> from my desktop machine, I can mount srv2:/opt/ltsp/i386 no problem
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| 13:29 | also, this test workstation mounts it fine too according to longs on srv2
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| 13:30 | logs
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| 13:30 | <joebob777as7> ogra, i set them to /usr/bin/compiz but when i go to make them default with right click it tells me that I don't have perms to change it?
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| 13:30 | and that it will change them back
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| 13:31 | <ogra> yeah, you cant set system defaults like that (and you shouldnt)
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| 13:31 | if you run it with gksudo it will allow you to do that, but really, you shouldnt ...
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| 13:32 | if the detector tells you that it cant enable it it doesnt lie :)
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| 13:32 | trust your software i it talks to you ;)
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| 13:32 | *if
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| 13:33 | try setting XSERVER=i810 in your lts.conf and try again
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| 13:33 | might be that the intel driver doesnt work for your card
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| 13:33 | <joebob777as7> but I am running it perfect on the machine with default gutsy install...
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| 13:33 | <ogra> (it defaults to that)
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| 13:33 | on the server with the nvidis card you mean
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| 13:33 | *nvidia
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| 13:34 | <joebob777as7> no on that laptop with the intel card
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| 13:34 | works amazing
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| 13:34 | <ogra> ah, you have a local install ?
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| 13:34 | <joebob777as7> yes
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| 13:34 | <ogra> get the xorg.conf file from there
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| 13:34 | <joebob777as7> i'm just using it to test... ok I'll do that
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| 13:35 | <ogra> copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf-x60
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| 13:35 | (on the server)
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| 13:35 | then run ltsp-update-image ...
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| 13:35 | <joebob777as7> will this affect all systems?
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| 13:35 | <ogra> add X_CONF=/etc/X11/xorg.conf-x60 to your lts.conf
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| 13:36 | if you only want it for that machine, add a MAC address bades section for it to lts.conf
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| 13:36 | and move the X_CONF line below it
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| 13:36 | *based
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| 13:36 | <joebob777as7> so [mac] then put the stuff below it?
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| 13:37 | <ogra> right
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| 13:37 | <joebob777as7> do i put colons in it or straight digits
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| 13:37 | <ogra> you get the mach y runnng ifconfig on the installed system on the x60
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| 13:37 | colons
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| 13:38 | [00:13:90:00:1E:AB]
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| 13:38 | like that
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| 13:38 | you need the one for the wired interface, dont get the wrong one :)
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| 13:39 | <joebob777as7> just a question why does it have to be like this when in gutsy it does it all on the automatically?
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| 13:39 | lol yeah
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| 13:39 | <ogra> because it didnt use the right settings in xorg.conf
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| 13:40 | <joebob777as7> can this be fixed for others bringing their system onto my network or am i going to have to do fresh installs to their laps and then do the same thing?
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| 13:40 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Is there anyway to force AC97 audo module on LTSP?
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| 13:40 | audo = audio
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| 13:40 | <ogra> its a ltsp X detection bug, can you pastebin your working xorg.conf somewhere ?
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| 13:40 | Guaraldo, there is the MODULE_00 parameter you can use i think
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| 13:41 | or MODULE_01 ... look it up in the docs :)
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| 13:41 | <joebob777as7> ogra want me to paste my xorg? or Guaraldo ?
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| 13:41 | <ogra> but in ltsp5 that should be autoloaded
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| 13:41 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Do you know witch driver to put in this option?
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| 13:41 | <ogra> joebob777as7, well, i'm talking about X with you and about sund with Guaraldo ... guess :)
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| 13:42 | Guaraldo, no idea probably snd_ac97_codec
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| 13:42 | <joebob777as7> lol sry... quick question if i want to browse to my client's desktop to pick up my xorg from the server wouldn't it be in i386/home?
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| 13:42 | <ogra> but that wont help if there is no HW driver below it
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| 13:42 | * Guaraldo loves preemptive multiwork persons... :-D | |
| 13:42 | <white_n_azz> is there anyone online who can help me get LTSP 4.2 going?
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| 13:43 | <joebob777as7> white_n_azz, why aren't you using v5?
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| 13:43 | <ogra> white_n_azz, have you specified SERVER in lts.conf ? if not, try that
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| 13:43 | <white_n_azz> I didn't see much in terms of help for v5
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| 13:43 | <ogra> joebob777as7, redhat based distros still have no ltsp5
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| 13:43 | <joebob777as7> oh ok
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| 13:43 | <ogra> and he is using centos
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| 13:44 | <white_n_azz> server is listed in lts.conf
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| 13:45 | <ogra> white_n_azz, support for recent HW, autofconfiguration, autosetup, secure X forwarding ... regular security updates
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| 13:45 | i'd think that are pretty good reasons for ltsp5 ... beyond there was no development in 4.2 since 2 years (and wont be)
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| 13:46 | <white_n_azz> I am doing this all as proof of concept and would have the ability to use any OS for whatever server I buy
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| 13:46 | <joebob777as7> nm ogra i'm a dork i found xorg.conf on thin's desktop here is paste: http://pastebin.ca/696120
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| 13:46 | <white_n_azz> but I am trying to see if I can get Macintosh iMacs netbooting
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| 13:46 | <ogra> joebob777as7, no, i want the one from the locally instealled system where compiz works :)
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| 13:47 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: Are you having trouble? With compiz? On a terminal?
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| 13:47 | <white_n_azz> but before I fool with the iMacs (which will present their own problems), I am using Windows box
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| 13:47 | <sbalneav> Sorry, was away for lunch
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| 13:48 | <white_n_azz> anyway...SERVER is configured in lts.conf
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| 13:48 | <ogra> sbalneav, seems the xorg.conf is missing anything
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> He's not defaulting to CONFIGURE_X = false, is he?
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| 13:48 | <ogra> sbalneav, i'm just trying to get one to compare from the installed system where compiz works ... luckily that client is a laptop :)
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| 13:48 | <white_n_azz> should I be using mail list for 4.2 questions?
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| 13:49 | <joebob777as7> ogra, that's it... that's the xorg.conf of the local filesystem install on my x60 tablet
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> white_n_azz: What kind of client are you trying to get 4.2 running on?
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| 13:49 | <ogra> joebob777as7, ah, because you talked about the client
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| 13:49 | <white_n_azz> just an old windows box (IBM Netvista)
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| 13:50 | <joebob777as7> ogra, yeah i browsed to get it from my thin client login and just drug it to the desktop... ;)
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| 13:50 | <ogra> joebob777as7, so do what i said above, copy it into the chroot, rebuild the image and add the X_CONF stanza
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> A netvista? They've got something whacky with them. I can't quite remember what, but their troublesome.
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| 13:51 | <ogra> sbalneav, an ibm x60 tablet laptop
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| 13:51 | one of these thingies where you can twist the lid
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> No, that was for white_n_azz
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| 13:51 | <ogra> propellerbook :)
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| 13:52 | <white_n_azz> sbalneav - my problem is more simplistic...I get to the point where it's running 'switchroot' and it stops there
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 13:52 | how much memory's in the netvista?
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| 13:52 | <white_n_azz> 256MB
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| 13:53 | <ogra> tats pleanty
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> white_n_azz: do you have any 'SCREEN_01' entry in your lts.conf file?
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| 13:53 | <white_n_azz> it says on screen... nfs: server 192.168.3.7 not responding, still trying
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> oh, that's different
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| 13:53 | <joebob777as7> working on it.. what's best way to find out clients mac?
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| 13:53 | <ogra> any managed switch involved ?
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| 13:53 | <white_n_azz> SCREEN_01 = startx
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| 13:54 | <jammcq> yeah, do you have gigabit in server and 10mbit or 100mbit in client?
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| 13:54 | <ogra> joebob777as7, ifconfig on the client console (tty2)
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| 13:54 | <white_n_azz> me ? switch?
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| 13:54 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
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| 13:54 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:54 | <jammcq> white_n_azz: check that wiki article
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq
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| 13:54 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:57 | <joebob777as7> ogra, do i need to reboot client completely or just log out?
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| 13:58 | <Guaraldo> hey, jammcq and sbalneav!!! How do you do, dudes?
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| 13:58 | <ogra> joebob777as7, reboot
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| 13:58 | <jammcq> hey Guaraldo
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> gey Guaraldo
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| 13:59 | <white_n_azz> I'm looking at it jammcq - I get errors when I add that code to dhcpd.conf
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| 14:00 | that appears to be my issue
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| 14:00 | <jammcq> white_n_azz: are you using PXE or Etherboot ?
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| 14:00 | <ogra> white_n_azz, where does it talk abotu dhcpd.conf ?
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| 14:01 | <white_n_azz> I'm using etherboot (floppy disk boot)
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| 14:01 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions
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| 14:02 | go read THAT wiki article for help on sending options through Etherboot
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| 14:02 | <white_n_azz> ogra - the link jammcq sent...
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| 14:02 | <ogra> right
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| 14:02 | it talks about PXE and etherboot options ;)
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| 14:03 | <white_n_azz> The only place it would allow me to put those options in was in the general area which seems ugly to me
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| 14:03 | <dberkholz> is ltsp4 updated at all for security issues?
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| 14:04 | <jammcq> dberkholz: sadly, no
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| 14:04 | <joebob777as7> ogra here is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf http://pastebin.ca/696146 and i have xorg.conf-x60 in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/
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| 14:04 | <dberkholz> jammcq: ok, thanks. gentoo might end up dropping it and just not having ltsp till i get 5 ready
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| 14:05 | nobody's interested in doing all the legwork to keep it updated
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| 14:05 | <ogra> joebob777as7, remove the space :)
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| 14:06 | <white_n_azz> that didn't seem to solve anything :-( is it possible to get 5 working on CentOS 5 ?
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| 14:07 | <ogra> we have a tarball but that doesnt give you all the love on the server side indeed
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| 14:08 | <joebob777as7> lol ok removed the space in lts.conf rebuilt image and i'm still not getting it... :(
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| 14:08 | <rafaelcardoso> ltspadmin Checking Runlevelgrep: /etc/inittab: No such file or directory
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| 14:08 | ??
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| 14:09 | <ogra> joebob777as7, can you check on the running client if that file is actually used ? (it should have been copied to /etc/X11/xorg.conf during boot)
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| 14:10 | <joebob777as7> no it's not...
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| 14:11 | <ogra> what Driver is used in the current file ?
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| 14:11 | <joebob777as7> nvidia
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| 14:11 | <ogra> oh ?
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| 14:11 | so you dont have X starting ?
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| 14:11 | <joebob777as7> i'll remove the mac address in lts.conf and rebuild and reboot?
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| 14:11 | <ogra> no, that wont help
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| 14:12 | on the running client in the console do ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf-x60
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| 14:12 | <joebob777as7> well it is booting but it in xorg.conf it says nvidia video card and driver nvidia
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| 14:12 | <ogra> is it there ?
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| 14:12 | <joebob777as7> no
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| 14:12 | <ogra> aha
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| 14:12 | you ran ltsp-update-image ?
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| 14:13 | <joebob777as7> yes well sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 14:13 | was instant?
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| 14:13 | <ogra> strange
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| 14:13 | <joebob777as7> is there a verbose mode to make sure it does it?
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| 14:13 | <ogra> shouldnt be
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| 14:13 | it usually takes about 10 min
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| 14:14 | and throws a lot output at you
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| 14:14 | from mksquashfs
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| 14:14 | <joebob777as7> never taken more than a second... even when i put the server in lts.conf but that fixed it? weird....
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| 14:14 | so?
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| 14:15 | any ideas why it's not building?
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| 14:15 | <ogra> you dont need to rebuild the image for lts.conf changes if you use /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 14:15 | but you need it for the xorg.conf-x60 file
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| 14:15 | hmm
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| 14:15 | <joebob777as7> figured it out. my server is amd64 i had to put --arch i386
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| 14:15 | <ogra> ah :)
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| 14:16 | * ogra makes a note to put a warning in for that case | |
| 14:16 | <joebob777as7> can you guys put an option for when you do build client and ltsp-update-image to ask for which arch and enter for default (server arch)
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| 14:17 | because when i was first getting into this i had to look everywhere to find out that i had to add those few simple chars. ;)
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| 14:17 | <ogra> ltsp-manager does that but its far from being ready for use
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| 14:17 | <joebob777as7> ah
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| 14:17 | 143: cannot create /opt/ltsp//i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf: Directory nonexistent
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| 14:17 | <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
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| 14:17 | <joebob777as7> why is it putting that extra /?
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| 14:18 | <ogra> see the first screenshot
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| 14:18 | ah, crap, scott foxed that today
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| 14:18 | *fixed
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| 14:18 | <joebob777as7> also says warning: found port in use already
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| 14:18 | <ogra> sudo mkdir /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp
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| 14:18 | <lns> ogra, the fix for thin-client-manager you spoke of yesterday - has it made its way into ubuntu updates?
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| 14:19 | <ogra> lns, these fixes were only to make it run on gutsy ...
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| 14:19 | joebob777as7, then run it again
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| 14:19 | <lns> oh... :( ok that's why I'm still having problems
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| 14:19 | <joebob777as7> ok
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| 14:19 | <ogra> lns, what kind of probs ?
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| 14:20 | <lns> ogra, well its strange
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| 14:20 | i launched it w/logged in thinclient user, but without x11vnc installed on the chroot
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| 14:20 | <joebob777as7> so do you think in the future new clients will configure xserver upon boot so people don't have to go through this?
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| 14:21 | <lns> it listed procs fine, gave me the "install x11vnc" thing in "Screen Viewer" tab
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| 14:21 | <ogra> lns, yes, it should tell you that there is no vnc then ...
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| 14:21 | <lns> and then I followed instructions to install x11vnc on the client
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| 14:21 | <joebob777as7> yeah that's another question how do i install x11vnc on all my clients? just install on server?
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| 14:21 | <lns> after that, I rebooted and thin-client-manager locks up as soon as you try to click on a logged-in user
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| 14:21 | no proc listings, no response from the app at all
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| 14:22 | <ogra> joebob777as7, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
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| 14:22 | lns, run sudo student-control-panel in a terminal
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| 14:22 | <lns> I *am* running ltsp server on a very, VERY slow machine (mini-itx epia 800) so i dunno if that has anything to do with it
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| 14:22 | <ogra> and see if it throws out any errors
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| 14:22 | <lns> ogra, did - no console messages
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| 14:23 | I'm sure you know but the bin name is still "student-control-panel"
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| 14:23 | <ogra> well, it runs various embedded vnc sessions if vnc works on the clients ... if you have many clients on such an underpowered server that might be a prob
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| 14:23 | yes, i know
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| 14:23 | <lns> ogra, i just have one thin client (this is my test lab)
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| 14:24 | <ogra> well, that shouldnt do any harm
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| 14:24 | did you try to switch off vnc on the client again ?
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| 14:24 | <lns> ogra, yeah, I completely reversed the instructions - even uninstalled x11vnc - the problem persists
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| 14:24 | really strange
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| 14:24 | <ogra> hmm
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| 14:25 | <lns> maybe it was a fluke that it worked the first time? hehe
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| 14:25 | <joebob777as7> getting some errors after rebuild... moung: mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument cp: unable to open /rot/etc/ : is a directory mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed no such file or di
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| 14:25 | <ogra> lns, does /etc/xdg/autostart/scp-client.desktop exist ? does scp-client run in the users session ?
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| 14:26 | <lns> lemme check
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| 14:27 | <joebob777as7> is it because of this warning after image rebuild? Warning: image defined with different port already in inetd.conf
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| 14:27 | <lns> ogra, yes it does exist: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 277 2007-03-15 03:59 /etc/xdg/autostart/scp-client.desktop
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| 14:27 | <lns> do i launch a thin client session to see if it's running as a proc?
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| 14:28 | if so, yes... "python /usr/bin/scp-client"
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| 14:29 | <lns> i'm out to lunch...will be back later, thanks ogra and everyone =)
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| 14:29 | <joebob777as7> still here ogra ?
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| 14:34 | shoot i have to leave in 5 mins.........
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| 14:42 | <joebob777as7> if you have a quick answer ogra just post it and i'll be back tonight to try it... I'll talk to you tomorrow. thanks for all of the help!
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| 16:19 | <gvy> ogra, just in case -- i've tried gutsy edubuntu beta5, after looong time it still installed but the client bailed out at the end of initramfs
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| 16:19 | client hardware was as standard as can be -- 440bx, ati, intel
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| 16:29 | <Ryudo> ogra u can help me ?
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| 16:31 | my therminal after any time are automatically logout of session
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| 16:34 | my terminals are effecting logout automatically after some time (LTSP 5+feisty)
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| 16:46 | <Ryudo> anyone can help me ?
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| 16:47 | anybody
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| 16:58 | <gvy> sorry...
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| 16:58 | i'd like but on altlinux it just works for us
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| 16:58 | i'd look into DE setup for auto logout though, and/or google for it independently of ltsp being used
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| 16:59 | btw is the logout time consistent ("after an idle hour") or random?
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| 17:03 | <lns> Man, ogra is just the guy everyone asks for, eh? =) Sounds like he needs some assistants
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| 17:09 | <gvy> lns, +1
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| 17:09 | burning out is no good for anyone both asking and answering...
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| 18:55 | <pablo_> hi! ive installed student-control-panel when i run it it doesnt show clients screnns and i cannot interact in any form whint the clients. how do i configure it ?
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| 18:55 | maybe i need to install something else?
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| 18:56 | im using ltsp5 and ubuntu 7.04
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| 19:06 | <lns> pablo_, there are issues with it i believe - what os are you running?
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| 19:06 | oh n/m
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| 19:07 | I'm using the same thing and it seems to lock up a lot - I've talked w/ogra about it and I think he's looking into it
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| 19:07 | they seem to be fixing bugs in thin-client-manager for gutsy
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| 19:07 | <white_n_azz> xdmcp on CentOS 5 (likely similar to Fedora) - instructions http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN984 don't really track and I'm at the point where grey screen is all I get
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| 19:08 | kdm is indeed running and client exists in DNS and in /etc/hosts
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| 19:08 | can anyone tell me which file to tweak for KDM - non-local clients?
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| 19:09 | <lns> white_n_azz, might want to check in a kde support channel
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| 19:09 | this is ltsp specific
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| 19:11 | ala LDM
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| 19:11 | <white_n_azz> getting a login screen up on screen seems fairly ltsp specific
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| 19:12 | <lns> white_n_azz, you might be right - I only have experience with LDM (which seems to be the default in any recent LTSP)
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| 19:12 | Any reason you're using kdm instead?
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| 19:12 | <white_n_azz> I'm using 4.2 since there's no real support for CentOS in ltsp 5
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| 19:13 | <lns> white_n_azz, I would assume any config you can do to kdm would be in kde control center
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| 19:13 | i seem to remember a 'remote' section of the login window part of it
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| 19:13 | which is very similar to gnome's
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| 19:14 | <white_n_azz> didn't think of that at all - starting a session via nx now
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| 19:14 | <lns> what kind of setup do you have?
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| 19:14 | hardware, # of clients, etc.
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| 19:14 | <white_n_azz> I am trying to run off one of my servers...this is my first client (a reasonable IBM Netvista)
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| 19:15 | <lns> cool
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| 19:15 | it's too bad (just imho) that you're using centOS and it doesn't support much of LTSP5... there is much improvement in that
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| 19:15 | but to each his own =)
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| 19:17 | <white_n_azz> I am going for a proof of concept for bosses - If I succeed in selling concept, we buy a server
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| 19:17 | I am not locating anything in KDE Control Center - Login with Administrator login that governs this
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| 19:20 | <pablo_> lns: im using 7.04
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| 19:23 | lnd: ubuntu
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| 19:30 | <pablo_> lns: maybe in need to install x11vnc in the chroot env
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| 19:30 | how do i do that?
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| 19:43 | <lns> pablo_, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
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| 20:01 | <dniel> run the ltsp-build-client command is equal to install the tarball?
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| 20:04 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, the ltspfs in ubuntu supports /var/run/ldm_socket_* ?
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| 22:29 | gonna need a new ltspfs upload to debian to support that ...
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| 22:32 | <sbalneav> Yeah, ltspfs-upstream has all the good stuff in it
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| 22:32 | Evening vagrantc, btw
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> evening
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| 22:38 | sbalneav: can we call it 0.4.4 ? :)
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| 22:38 | <sbalneav> Well, I think ogra called it 0.5
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> oh really. ok.
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| 22:40 | * vagrantc wonders if ltsp and ltspfs will ever release an upstream tarball again | |
| 22:41 | <sbalneav> what, you mean a source tarball, or a bin tarball for other distros?
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> source tarball
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| 22:42 | <sbalneav> Do we need to?
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> well, either that or tag your bzr branches ...
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| 22:42 | it's a little confusing as a debian maintainer what version numbers to call things
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| 22:42 | when ubuntu and debian are essentially implementing whatever, whenever
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| 22:42 | <sbalneav> heh, don't know how to tag yet :)
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> well, bzr only recently learned how
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| 22:43 | but a really simple thing you can do is simply upload a branch and not make any new commits on it
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| 22:43 | sbalneav: like this: http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/releases/
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| 22:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i also think other distros would prefer tarballs over bzr.
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| 23:01 | i was able to confirm http://bugs.debian.org/415460 recently
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| 23:08 | <sbalneav> When I get some time, I'll cut some tarballs
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| 23:09 | <vagrantc> heh! debian has a better history of ubuntu's ltspfs uploads than ubuntu :P
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| 23:10 | y'all are missing a bunch of changelog entries :)
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| 23:11 | <sbalneav> I'm not sure what you confirmed about 415460?
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| 23:13 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: that usbfloppy support requires modifications to the udev rules ...
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| 23:13 | for some reason, at least on debian
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| 23:15 | <sbalneav> What rule needs changing?
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| 23:16 | I can't seem to see stratus' branch
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| 23:20 | <vagrantc> http://people.debian.org/~stratus/bzr/ltspfs/ltspfs-usbfloppy/
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| 23:20 | he might have moved it since reporting the bug
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| 23:24 | <sbalneav> If his modules usb-storage, why does he need to load the ide-floppy module?
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| 23:24 | That doesn't seem quite right.
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| 23:27 | He's also missing the rule for standard floppies.
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| 23:28 | Wonder if we could simply combine both with:
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| 23:29 | <Shingoshi> For those of you who like dark themes, I have created another one (CharcoalBlue) for Mozillazine: http://userstyles.org/styles/3434
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| 23:29 | <sbalneav> ACTION=="add", ATTRS{interface}=="FLOPPY", add_fstab_entry %k auto
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| 23:29 | ACTION=="add", ATTRS{interface}=="FLOPPY", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k auto"
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| 23:29 | sorry
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| 23:29 | hm
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| 23:30 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it doesn't register as usb-storage ...
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> His selection rule looks for that, though...
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| 23:31 | <vagrantc> hmmm
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", DRIVERS=="usb-storage", \ ATTRS{interface}=="FLOPPY", KERNEL=="sd*", \ RUN+="/bin/sh -c '/sbin/modprobe ide_floppy; /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry %k auto'"
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| 23:32 | <vagrantc> i tried it without the rule, and it didn't work.
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| 23:32 | or, i mean, without the ide_floppy bit
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> can you try the simpler rule I posted?
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| 23:32 | <vagrantc> no idea where the drive went ...
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| 23:33 | <sbalneav> if that one catches both legacy floppy, and usb floppy, that'd be perfect
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| 23:35 | <vagrantc> in debian, we've been using for floppies: ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="fd[0-9]", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k auto"
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| 23:36 | <sbalneav> Yeah, that's what I have
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| 23:36 | I figured that out out for legacy
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| 23:36 | one out, I should say
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| 23:37 | but what I'm wondering is if we can simplify it to ACTION=="add", ATTRS{interface}=="FLOPPY", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k auto"
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| 23:37 | <vagrantc> hmmm... but ... there's not a rule for floppies in your upstream branch
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| 23:37 | <sbalneav> which might catch both ide and usb
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| 23:37 | wha?
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| 23:38 | <vagrantc> in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltspfs/ltspfs-upstream/ udev/88-ltsp.rules
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> huh
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| 23:38 | <vagrantc> contains no entries for floppies
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> you're right
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| 23:38 | there isn't
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| 23:39 | how'd it get dropped?!?
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| 23:39 | <vagrantc> debian doesn't use that file ... so no idea.
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| 23:40 | i should try and use upstream's again ... had to change the rules a bunch to get it working at one point, but maybe we can switch back someday.
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> well, if that simple floppy rule works for both, that's a slam dunk
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| 23:40 | I don't have a usb floppy here, though
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| 23:43 | Wait! I do!
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| 23:43 | haha
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| 23:43 | I'll try it in a few
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| 23:44 | <vagrantc> still looking for a better workaround for: http://bugs.debian.org/432024 ltspfs: Provide non-root users access to the local hard drive on the client
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| 23:45 | <vagrantc> as well as #432669: ltspfs: cdpinger report error if /var/run/ltspfs_fstab is missing
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| 23:45 | <sbalneav> Well, cdpinger just got rewitten today :)
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| 23:45 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 23:45 | :)
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> dunno wethere I'll get it in before go-live but it's in C now, for wicked speed.
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| 23:46 | and
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| 23:46 | I'm planning on having it started from udev
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| 23:46 | <vagrantc> nice
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> so we don't have one running all the time, like we do now.
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> that's actually one thing i thought was really silly to have in python.
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| 23:47 | <sbalneav> Yeah, it was a quick hack.
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> i thought udev didn't report cd insertion events ... ?
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| 23:48 | <sbalneav> no, it doesn't. But, on detecting a cd DEVICE, we launch a cdpinger for it that handles the INSERTIONS.
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| 23:48 | <vagrantc> ah, you call cdpinger when there's a CD present ...
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| 23:48 | <sbalneav> so slick.
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| 23:48 | <vagrantc> yeah, like that
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| 23:48 | <sbalneav> and, cdpinger checks if the device goes away, and quietly exits
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| 23:48 | <vagrantc> nice.
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| 23:49 | much nicer than what we've had
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| 23:49 | <sbalneav> so for usb cdroms that get unplugged, you don't need a remove rule, so it'll just quietly go away.
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| 23:49 | I did that all today :)
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| 23:49 | * vagrantc high-fives sbalneav | |
| 23:49 | <sbalneav> Pluuuuuus
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| 23:49 | I re-implemented jetpipe in C
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| 23:50 | so now, EVERYTHING on the client can be nice and small
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| 23:50 | all this has to be tested, integrated, etc.
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| 23:50 | we might have time for gutsy, but shouldn't affect debian. I'll probably create a new branch to merge it in.
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> well, debian's nowhere near a release cycle
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| 23:51 | <sbalneav> right
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> so we can actually be a little more risky at the moment
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| 23:52 | <vagrantc> like, uploading an LTSP that you know breaks localdev support :)
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| 23:52 | <sbalneav> sure, so I'll create a new branch this weekend, and migrate jetpipe and cdpinger to the new stuff
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| 23:52 | s/know/has the possibility of/ :)
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| 23:52 | we HOPE it will work :)
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| 23:53 | I'd like to start jetpipe from udev too.
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| 23:53 | <vagrantc> next week, i'm not working at all, so should have even more time to test ltsp stuff :)
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| 23:53 | only 5 bugs to squash for LTSP :)
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| 23:54 | <sbalneav> I have an idea to do it that should be easy, but it will ever so slightly break our port numbering scheme
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| 23:54 | so, you need 2 rules for jetpipe
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| 23:54 | <vagrantc> oh, putting jetpipe in udev ?
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| 23:54 | <sbalneav> one for add, device = usblp*
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| 23:54 | so you do jetpipe %k 9100
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| 23:55 | and what jetpipe does is add the number on the end of the device to the 9100
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| 23:55 | so usblp0 is 9100
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> ah, nice.
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| 23:55 | <sbalneav> usblp1 is 9101, etc.
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| 23:55 | Same for /dev/lp0 etc.
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| 23:55 | however, you can't start them at 9100
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 23:56 | ah, because of the usb printers ?
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| 23:56 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 23:56 | so, here's what I'd propose
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| 23:56 | usb printers are in the range of 9100-9109
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| 23:56 | parallel printers are 9110 - 9112
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| 23:57 | <vagrantc> why not have parallel be 9100-9102, and have usb printers start at 9103 ?
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| 23:57 | <sbalneav> could do.
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| 23:58 | <vagrantc> the one thing that worries me, is it might be difficult to consistantly get the same usb printer to show up as the same number every time ...
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| 23:58 | <sbalneav> ah, well, you can't do that now the way it is anyway
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| 23:58 | <vagrantc> ah, true enough
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| 23:59 | <sbalneav> all you'd need to do is just add a udev rule to make sure that the HP usb device is 0, the cannon's 1, etc
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| 23:59 | <vagrantc> like, two printers are plugged in, but only one is turned on ...
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| 23:59 | <sbalneav> with some standard udev trickery
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| 23:59 | <vagrantc> a udev rule specific to a particular thin client ?
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| 23:59 | <sbalneav> yeah, that's a problem. But it's a problem now, anyway
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