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Channel log from 30 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:26 | <Shingoshi> I am posting this for general notification. It is a project I am inviting all interested parties to participate in. Thank you. http://www.nabble.com/The-Emergent-Destiny-Project-f18584.html
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| 05:47 | <SiCk> allo all
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| 06:03 | <cliebow> alloo?
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| 06:03 | <SiCk> aloo o o o o o o
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| 06:11 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> alou
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| 06:12 | alo alo
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| 06:15 | <cliebow> no..dont go...
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| 07:33 | <cliebow_> jammcq:so if my ltsp server will answer a who has arp request from a g3 Bondi..why the hell wont it answer a g3?
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| 07:33 | ibook
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| 07:34 | it is in the arp table
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| 07:53 | <cliebow_> jammcq:so if my ltsp server will answer a who has arp request from a g3 Bondi..why the hell wont it answer a g3?
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| 07:53 | it is in the arp table
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| 07:53 | <jammcq> ummmm
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| 07:53 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 07:53 | thats what i thought too
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| 07:53 | <jammcq> good morning to you too :)
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| 07:54 | <cliebow_> ohhh..Good Morning!
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| 08:01 | arpwatch bogon (bogus on) mean anythiong top you?
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| 08:02 | ohh..now i get it...ap article of bogosity
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| 08:02 | wtf
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| 08:23 | <pscheie> jammcq: ping?
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| 08:39 | <cliebow_> jammcq: can you change my email forward?
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| 08:39 | ellsworthschools.org?
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> pscheie: pong
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| 08:46 | <jammcq> cliebow_: done
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| 08:50 | <pscheie> are there any edubuntu folks in the US? Ogra, you're in France or Germany, correct?
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| 08:51 | jammcq: besides you, I mean
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| 09:16 | <pscheie> ogra: are you in France?
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| 09:38 | <cliebow_> ping
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| 09:41 | <chupacabra> http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117011971274291861-oJ6FWrnA8NMPfMXw3vBILth1EiE_20080129.html?mod=blogs
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| 09:41 | 'Dumb Terminals' Can Be a Smart Move
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| 09:45 | <pscheie> The article is in the print version of today's WSJ, too.
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| 09:45 | No mention of LTSP though
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| 09:45 | nor any other software
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| 09:48 | <chupacabra> nope
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| 09:52 | <cliebow_> lets grab chris lawton by the.ahh forget it
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| 09:56 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:22 | * dan__t stabs NFS in the face with a fork. | |
| 10:24 | <dan__t> I'm plagued with a few clients booting up with "nfs: server 192.168.1.250 not responding, still trying"
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| 10:25 | The server is fine, works well, and others are using it without incident.
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| 11:03 | <slipttees> jammcq: hello jedi ;)
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| 11:04 | with the set up boot for PXE?
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| 11:27 | <xuxa> hello all. I'm doing some research for the principle of an elementary school. Is it possible to use Mac Mini computers as the thin clients in an LTSP setup? I've found conflicting reports in my googling...
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| 11:27 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> slipttees: http://pastebin.com/871374
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| 11:33 | <cliebow_> xuva: i Know you can use ibooks bondis emacs..never got my hands on a mini yet..
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| 12:19 | <xuxa> cliebow_: gotcha. thanks!
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| 12:23 | <cliebow_> xuxa:stillthere?
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| 12:34 | <xuxa> yes, still here
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| 12:35 | <cliebow_> well. i ha an idea ..but dont think i can pull it off..there is onemac mini in the buildng..was gonna try it..but it is intel based..
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| 12:40 | <xuxa> now that you mention it, I'm not sure if my friend's school's minis are PPC or intel based
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| 12:40 | I suppose they might be intel-based, in which case they would certainly work...
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| 12:40 | cliebow_: thank you anyway, I'll get more info from the principal and go from there
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| 12:40 | <cliebow_> not that it matters..just different kernel
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| 12:41 | and chroot
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| 12:50 | <pscheie> jammcq: you around?
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> ya
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| 12:52 | <pscheie> got a message from someone off the K12 list
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| 12:52 | he's got his server up, but client is failing to boot
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| 12:52 | can I pastebot the output for you to look at?
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| 12:53 | <jammcq> what's the problem he's having?
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| 12:53 | <pscheie> it's about 12 lines
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| 12:53 | 0000:00:04.0: Unknow PHY transceiver found at address 31
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| 12:53 | 0000:00:04.0: using transceiver found at adress 1 as default
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| 12:53 | eth0: SiS 900 pci fast ethernet at 0xddc00, IRQ 3 , mac address I think
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| 12:53 | Running dhcpd on port 67
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| 12:53 | eth0 media link off
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| 12:53 | input PS/2 Generic mouse
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| 12:53 | <jammcq> but in general, what's the problem?
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| 12:53 | <pscheie> ERROR! dhcpd failed!
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| 12:53 | Kernel panic
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| 12:54 | it says dhcpd failed but the fact that it says kernel panic means a kernel was downloaded, right?
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| 12:55 | general problem is client won't boot
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| 12:56 | <jammcq> looks like the card isn't being detected correctly
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| 12:57 | <pscheie> There are a whole bunch of lines about 'Unknown PHY transceiver found at address ' followed by an incrementing number between 0 & 31
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| 12:57 | <jammcq> what kernel are they using?
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| 12:57 | <pscheie> dunno
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| 12:57 | * pscheie checks k12 ver 5 & 6 | |
| 12:59 | <pscheie> k12ltsp 5 = ltsp 4.2 w/kernel 2.6.17.3
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| 13:00 | my k12ltsp 6 box is off ATM. I'll ask him which version he's got.
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| 13:01 | It sounds like you're suggesting that the problem could be fixed by using a different NIC in the client, eh?
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| 13:02 | <jammcq> could be
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| 13:02 | or.... try putting the card in a different slot
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| 13:02 | or.... see if there's a bios upgrade for the motherboard
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| 13:02 | other than that, I dunno
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| 13:03 | <pscheie> well, don't worry about the solution; I'm just trying to understand the problem that the errors are describing
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> it could be that the card isn't fully supported in Linux
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| 13:04 | maybe he could try booting an Ubuntu live cd or a knoppix cd on that machine, see how well the card behaves then
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| 13:04 | <pscheie> good idea
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| 13:05 | btw, are there any edubuntu devs/activists in the US?
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> umm, dunno
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| 13:06 | dtrask and moquist helped at the last ubuntu dev mtg
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| 13:06 | sbalneav and myself
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| 13:06 | although sbalneave isn't exactly US
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| 13:06 | <pscheie> is ogra the only official ubuntu-ltsp dev
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> I think so
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| 13:06 | <pscheie> sbalneav is close enough
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| 13:07 | I'm planning our next NCLS, for June 14-15
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| 13:07 | love to have you come if you can
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| 13:07 | wanted to get an edubuntu person if I could manage to
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 13:07 | june's a pretty busy month around my house
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| 13:08 | but as we get closer, we'll see
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| 13:08 | <pscheie> NELS is June 19-22, which I'm actively trying to not conflict with
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| 13:08 | if you can't, I understand, but wanted you to know there is a standing invite for you
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| 13:08 | <jammcq> thanks, I appreciate that
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| 13:09 | <pscheie> we're gonna have it at a community college this year
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| 13:09 | Jeremy Anderson, who was there last year, teaches at the college
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| 13:09 | He says his school WANTS to host it, not just willing to host it
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| 13:10 | Plus, I may do some contract LTSP setup work for them.
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| 13:10 | Perhaps we'll develop the first LTSP Admin class ;-)
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| 13:11 | Only downside is last year's location was about 5 minutes from my house; the college is about 30 minutes away.
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> which direction?
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| 13:12 | <pscheie> There are two locations: SW and NW
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| 13:12 | SW = Eden Prairie, NW = Brooklyn Park
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| 13:12 | <jammcq> anywhere near the airport ?
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| 13:12 | <pscheie> Airport is SE, about 20 min. from the SW location
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| 13:13 | you just take I-494 west and turn off by the shopping mall
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> no promises, but if I do come, we'll need to find a much better steakhouse than what we had at the mall :)
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| 13:13 | <pscheie> I'd prefer the SW location, but Jeremy, who teaches at both locations, says he has better equipment available at NW loco
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| 13:14 | We're having lunch w/his boss tomorrow to discuss it.
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| 13:14 | sbalneav would probably prefer the NW location, as it would shave about 45 min. off his drive
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| 13:15 | We can go downtown to Murray's, Home of the Silver Butterknife Steak(TM)
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| 13:16 | It's arguably the most famous steakhouse around
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> let's just hold the conf there :)
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| 13:16 | <pscheie> There used to be a great Irish bar right next door, too
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| 13:17 | not sure if it's still there, and I haven't worked downtown for some time now
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| 13:17 | One plus of the college: They have a nice cafeteria/dining room, according to Jeremy
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| 13:18 | makes lunch easier
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| 13:18 | although I kinda like going out to local places
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| 13:18 | but since time is the tricky part, having a nearby place to eat during the conf. could be handy
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| 13:18 | Then we can go to Murray's for supper
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| 13:23 | jammcq: the fellow just wrote back; he's got the 2.6.17.3 kernel.
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| 13:24 | I'll tell him to try another nic in the client
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| 13:46 | <g333k_work> Hi, do you know a way to send popups messages to my clients? (Beside fl_teachertool, I've tried it but it is not working for me)
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| 14:29 | <nofxx> hav anyone booted clients that use 64 bits processors ? Semprom
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| 14:30 | <cliebow_> xuxa: there is weird stuff on the intel macs..efi instead of pxe far as i can tell..
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| 14:39 | <xuxa> hrm... interesting... thanks
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| 14:40 | <cliebow_> figures..apple has to make it so darn diffucult
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| 14:54 | <xuxa> indeed...
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| 15:02 | <g333k_work> Hi, my ltsp server is running xfce4-session but my clients no, how can I do my clients to run this process?
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| 18:09 | <cliebow> wailing souls!!
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| 18:43 | <cliebow> rjune1!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19:56 | <jodell> any ubuntu/debian ltsp experts in the crowd?
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| 19:58 | <nofxx> Anyone sucessfuly booted 64 bits clients ? Semproms 64
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| 20:01 | <jodell> no. I have run into issues with 64bit server and 32 bit clients using debian
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| 20:02 | seems that using apt in the chroot caused 64bit libs to install
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| 20:09 | <nofxx> jodell: so if you are on 64 it'll install a 64 binaries for the clients ?
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| 20:09 | humm..I'm testing edubuntu 64 now....
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| 20:12 | <jodell> sorry was away for a minute.
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| 20:12 | that was my experiance.
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| 20:13 | As i am thinking about it I don't think there should be an issue booting a 64 but client.
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| 20:13 | <nofxx> well... let's see what will happen, with ubuntu i386 I couldn't boot my 64 bits clients.... but I had only one kind of mobo and processor to test... so I don't know if it is something to do with what
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| 20:13 | <jodell> I do this with sun hardware
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| 20:13 | <nofxx> jodell: yep..there shoulnd't...
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| 20:14 | <jodell> what were you seeing as an error on teh client?
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| 20:15 | <nofxx> Kernel panic: attempted to kill init !
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| 20:15 | after "register network 17"
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| 20:16 | nothing more after the panic line
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| 20:16 | <jodell> that was with a 32 or 64bit kernel?
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| 20:16 | <nofxx> 32
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| 20:17 | ubuntu 6.10 .. i think its the 2.x.16-10.... hmm i guess...
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| 20:17 | <jodell> hmm...
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| 20:17 | <nofxx> im trying to install edubuntu now on the machine .. can't check
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| 20:19 | <jodell> interesting.
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| 20:20 | feels like a nic driver issue, but that is an uninformed gut guess.
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| 20:21 | what nic do you have?
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| 20:21 | <cliebow_> if you wamt 32 bit chroot..bild om 32 bit machome..tar it up and move it to a 64 bit machine..or sparc..or a ppc server
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| 20:22 | the server doesnt care what chroot it offers..but the clients do
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| 20:22 | <nofxx> jodell: you mean the client nic?
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| 20:22 | onboard nvidia... ecs mobo.....
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| 20:23 | <cliebow_> im running ppc chroot on intel on this machine
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| 20:23 | <jodell> nofxx: make sure the module is in the intird (initramfs)
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| 20:23 | <nofxx> cliebow_: hmm...cool info
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| 20:24 | <jodell> cliebow: all teh 32bitters were diskless ;-)
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| 20:24 | luckily the server was a new build so I just rebuilt as 32
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| 20:24 | <nofxx> jodell: oh my...pardon my lack of knowledge.. heheh how to do that?
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| 20:24 | <cliebow_> build a chroot on a 64 bit machine it should be portble to any other server that offers basic services
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| 20:25 | <nofxx> chroot = all the files that ltsp serves to the client , right?
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| 20:25 | <jodell> nofxx: add the module name to <chroot>/etc/initramfs/modules
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| 20:25 | <cliebow_> yep
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| 20:25 | <nofxx> jodell: humm...gonna boot and try.. tnx.. let's see
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| 20:26 | <jodell> once you add the file you need to rebuild the image.
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| 20:26 | <cliebow_> /opt/ltsp/whatever...as long as the chroot matches the client
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| 20:26 | <jodell> you said ubunt
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| 20:26 | <cliebow_> u
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| 20:26 | <nofxx> edubuntu dont want to be installed today.... hehe... linux hates me...
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| 20:26 | <jodell> longday
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| 20:26 | <cliebow_> need sto wait til after full moon
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| 20:27 | <jodell> nofxx: did you install the ltsp-server package?
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| 20:27 | <nofxx> jodell: I did the easy way.... "ltsp-server-standalone"..and more 3 or 4 commands
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| 20:28 | <jodell> yes, same for debian.
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| 20:28 | <nofxx> jodell: i have 2 32 bits machines.. and both works.....
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| 20:28 | one is a laptop, btw
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| 20:28 | the 64 don't
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| 20:28 | ok...booted....let's see the modules
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| 20:29 | <jodell> to rebuild the image just run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 20:29 | <cliebow_> it is not trivial to muck with the modules in the initramfs
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| 20:29 | <nofxx> i have only initramfs-tools/ that's right?
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| 20:30 | <jodell> yep.
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| 20:30 | file modules.
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| 20:30 | <nofxx> ok.. inside "modules"...nothing on it
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| 20:30 | <jodell> hang on a minute though
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| 20:30 | <cliebow_> there is expert knowledge involved to alter the initramfs
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| 20:31 | <jodell> cliebow is right. I have to add a sis190 to my initramfs
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| 20:31 | <nofxx> no prob in fuc&*&* everything up... can't get worse.. xD
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| 20:31 | <jodell> let's make sure that your module is not already there.
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| 20:31 | <nofxx> xDD
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| 20:31 | <cliebow_> packing it in..
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| 20:31 | <nofxx> how to find what I need to add ?
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| 20:32 | <jodell> what borad/nic did you have?
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| 20:32 | cliebow_: deb/ubuntu makes it pretty simple.
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| 20:32 | <nofxx> the manual just says the north and south bridges.... nothing about the onboard lan...
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| 20:32 | <jodell> manufacturer/model?
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| 20:32 | <cliebow_> nofxx: with all respect to ogra..i think you need to ltsp-server-standalone on a 64 bit machine and use that to boot your client
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| 20:34 | <nofxx> ecs c51gm-m / nividia C51PV/g chipset
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| 20:34 | <jodell> cliebow_: I would think that the 64but woudl load just fine.
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| 20:34 | <nofxx> cliebow: gonna try installing edubuntu 64... if this don't work...
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| 20:35 | ty
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| 20:35 | <jodell> cliebow_: am I missing something that would prevent an i386 from loading 32 but kernel?
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| 20:38 | nofxx: from the ecs site you have a Broadcom AC131 10/100 Lan Phy
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| 20:39 | <nofxx> jodell: sorry for the lazyness.. should hav tought about researching this...
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| 20:39 | hehe but I have no idea how to translate this to that file
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| 20:40 | <jodell> let me look.
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| 20:42 | <nofxx> the bios says NIVIDA BOOT AGENT.... just for the records.... it says reverse enginered nForce drivers... network 17..... kernel panic......
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| 20:43 | <jodell> looks like forcedeth.. let me see if it is int eh default initram.
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| 20:46 | <nofxx> ah...it changes... but its always after "NET: Registered protocol family 17"......panic
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| 20:46 | <jodell> hmm.. not finding it
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| 20:47 | <nofxx> the module ?
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| 20:48 | <jodell> if you want to try it, add "forcedeth" on a line in <chroot>/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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| 20:48 | no "
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| 20:49 | <nofxx> (yes/no)?
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| 20:49 | xD
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| 20:49 | <jodell> once that is done run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 20:49 | leave out tehe " from the line.
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| 20:49 | <nofxx> ok
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| 20:51 | ok... testing now!
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| 20:51 | need to restart the serv?
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| 20:52 | <jodell> no. the ltsp-update-kernels jsut rebuilds the boot image adding the new module
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| 20:53 | but you have to give it he chroot. sorry i forgot that
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| 20:53 | so: ltsp-update-kernels /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 20:53 | tehn reboot the client
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| 20:55 | <nofxx> jodell: no go... Kernel panic....
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| 20:56 | <jodell> it was worth a shot...
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| 20:56 | <nofxx> xD
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| 20:56 | cool...
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| 20:57 | <jodell> cliebow_: what is your dist?
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| 20:57 | <nofxx> maybe adding the broadcom module there ?
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| 20:58 | <jodell> nofxx ironically I have the same nvidia chipset. mine uses the forcedeth module.
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| 20:59 | i am using it fo rhte server thoug.
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| 20:59 | <nofxx> i see... let me check if I placed "forcedeth" correctly there...
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| 21:01 | yup it is... chroot is under /opt/ltsl/i386 on ubuntu right?
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| 21:01 | <jodell> that woudl be the default
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| 21:02 | <nofxx> yup... so its there...
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| 21:02 | so only the try edubuntu 64 choice is left for me
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| 21:03 | <jodell> if you can put a disk in the system (or a cd and run a live image)
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| 21:03 | you can do little more digging to see what the kernel call that device.
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| 21:04 | or at least find out if it will load all the way with a
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| 21:04 | "normal" install.
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| 21:05 | <nofxx> hmm. got it... gonna leave it for tomorrow then... the machines aren't mine and I'll need to open to install the cd drive
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| 21:05 | ty very much jodell
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| 21:05 | <jodell> there is a usb image floating around out there.
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| 21:05 | Sorry I cn't help.
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| 21:06 | <nofxx> ahh.. ty man.. for your time! worth a shot.. xD
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| 21:23 | <jodell> I am seeing a strange issues with syslog on tehe client.
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| 21:24 | I must restart syslog on th client for remote loggin to happen
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| 21:24 | I have edited <chroot>/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-config and if I add a restart
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| 21:24 | at the end of the start process it seems to work.
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| 21:25 | I am setting the dhcp option as well, but that is not helping
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| 21:25 | any ideas?
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| 21:40 | <kaos01> hi, i got ltsp local drive support to work, but have problems recognising vfat
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