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Channel log from 28 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:34 | <gdi2k> Hi, I'm having issues with a default install of LTSP 5 on Intrepid. Install went ok, but the client has issues booting (Very slow to get image), then logging in generally fails. It checks credentials for about 15 secs, then the screen changes as if it's loading GNOME, but nothing ever appears. On the server's syslog, I get some strange looking nbd warnings: http://pastebin.com/m195dd737
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| 02:59 | <Eghie> does the DNS_SERVER not work in lts.conf for LTSP5 in Ubuntu Intrepid?
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| 03:00 | because network manager left me with a clear /etc/resolv.conf on the client
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| 03:13 | <Appiah> Eghie: it should
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| 03:13 | Is it place under [Default] ?
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| 03:13 | <Eghie> yes
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| 03:14 | <Appiah> a workaround would be to chroot the client image and edit /etc/resolv.conf
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| 03:15 | <Eghie> following lts.conf: http://pastebin.com/m3a55f900
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| 03:16 | I must say that the resolv.conf on the server is also emptied by Network Manager
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| 03:17 | although, the server is resolving correctly
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| 03:17 | the client is not resolving correctly
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| 03:17 | the DHCP server is also serving DNS servers
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| 03:43 | <Eghie> adding nameservers by hand to /etc/resolv.conf works though
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| 04:31 | <Eghie> does having no framebuffer devicenode on the client have any implications in performance?
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| 04:36 | ah, never mind
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| 04:54 | <Eghie> hmm, changing the default prompt of Ubuntu in the colorized variant with full hostname is bliss
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> ogra, do you remember what you did to fix the ldm localization problems in Intrepid? I got some fellow teachers that want to apply the same patch in Hardy (or, is there going to be a backport?)
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| 08:04 | <ltsppbot> "WeeD_" pasted "7.1.3. Kernel panic – not sy" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/116
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| 08:05 | <ogra> alkisg, the needs a new upstream version, you cant easily patch it into hardy
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| 08:05 | *that
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> ogra, thanks, I'll tell them to wait... until they upgrade! :P :D
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| 08:06 | <ogra> you can try to backport ldm from intrepid at your own risk indeed :)
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| 08:06 | <alkisg> ogra, no script changes required? only ldm?
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| 08:06 | <ogra> and tell us how it goes :)
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| 08:06 | <alkisg> E.g. about /etc/default/console-setup or environment etc...
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| 08:06 | <ogra> hmm, i think there was one change to ltsp
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| 08:07 | look in the upstream branch, vagrantc added my patch a while ago
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> ogra, thanks!
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| 08:08 | <ogra> alkisg, commt 896
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| 08:08 | *commit
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> ok, I'll tell you how it goes :)
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| 08:13 | <gate_keeper_> does anyone used this script...?
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| 08:13 | http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/pub/Ltsp/LocalApps/runremote
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| 08:13 | for starting remote applications localy
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| 08:13 | on the thin clients
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| 08:13 | like skype
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| 08:13 | :-/
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| 08:14 | <ogra> gate_keeper_, i would assume people use the builtin localapps functionallity nowadays
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| 08:14 | instead of hackish scripts
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| 08:21 | <ninou> hi
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| 08:21 | how can i launch xcompmgr automatically under ltsp/lenny ?
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| 08:29 | <gate_keeper_> ogra, can u point me to some resources when i can read more about it? :-/
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| 08:40 | <Eghie> gate_keeper_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices and /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/ltsp-localapps
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| 08:41 | <nubae> local devices has nothing to do with localapps...
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| 08:42 | that local devices page is just about enabling local cdrom/usb stick support
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| 08:44 | <gate_keeper_> i see
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| 08:45 | <nubae> localapps is still pretty much in testing phases so don't think much has been written about it
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| 08:46 | I believe opensuse has some documentation, though that is quite specific to their distro...
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| 08:49 | <gate_keeper_> no file in /usr/share
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| 08:49 | :)
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| 08:49 | <Eghie> sorry nubae, yeah I know that, wasn't paying attention though
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| 08:50 | <ogra> gate_keeper_, its in the example dir in the ltsp-server docs
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| 08:50 | <gate_keeper_> nope
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| 08:50 | werid
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| 08:50 | *weird
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| 08:50 | <ogra> in intrepid, FC10 or lenny
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| 08:50 | <Eghie> this one i meant: http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/LTSP5_Ltsp-localapps
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| 08:50 | <ogra> though i think te latter two install it
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| 08:51 | <Eghie> it is in finnish, but looking at the commands, will help you figure out i guess
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| 08:51 | <ogra> Eghie, right, thats a good howto
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| 08:51 | <Q-FUNK> niinpä
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| 08:51 | <Eghie> although cheese is not running that good as cheese is running in that howto
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| 08:52 | at my client anyway
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| 08:52 | <Q-FUNK> juusto koti juusto
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| 08:52 | <Eghie> although Skype does work with webcam
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| 08:53 | <ogra> yes, skype and ekiga should run fine
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| 08:53 | <Eghie> hmm, was just testing Firefox + flash 10 (without nsplugin)
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| 08:54 | by user experience, running firefox on the server is faster then running it via localapps
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| 08:54 | <ogra> realy depends on your client HW
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| 08:54 | <Eghie> although, localapps will give you less load on the server so you can handle more clients
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| 08:54 | <ogra> yu should at least have 256M in the client for using localappy
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| 08:55 | *apps
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| 08:55 | <Eghie> ah
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| 08:56 | <ogra> well, dependng on the app you run locally indeed
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| 08:56 | <nubae> its kinda logical it will run faster from the server
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| 08:56 | <ogra> xterm might be fine with a 128M client :)
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| 08:56 | <nubae> servers normally have better hardware than clients
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| 08:56 | <Eghie> yeah, looking at the memory usage (with saidar) I have still plenty left
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| 08:57 | nubae, but graphics adapters on the servers are not that good most of the times
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| 08:57 | <nubae> you are using the local graphics card, not the servers
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| 08:58 | unless u mean directly on the server
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| 09:04 | <Eghie> no, I mean via ltsp
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| 09:05 | <nubae> then the local X server (on the client) using the local graphics card and drivers is used
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| 09:06 | <gate_keeper_> i have problems with skype
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| 09:06 | especially with audio
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| 09:07 | that's why i want to try running with localapps ...
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> ogra, commit 896 is "Use randomized xauth filename in /var/run"... Some help locating it please?
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| 09:08 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup in case someone wants to flesh that out a bit more ...
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| 09:09 | alkisg, "Debian/Ubuntu: get locale settings in the initscript (patch from ogra)"
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| 09:09 | thats what i see here as 896
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> ogra, I'm definately on the wrong site... :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes/898?start_revid=978
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| 09:09 | <ogra> yre you sure you look at the upstrea branch ?
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| 09:10 | ah :)
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> Ok - was looking at ldm-trunk, should be looking at ltsp-trunk... :-/
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| 09:15 | <ogra> yeah, looking at the right branch helps :)
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| 09:34 | <petre> morning all
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| 09:37 | <petre> jammcq, ping
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| 09:54 | <gate_keeper_> late
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| 09:54 | *later
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| 09:54 | <ogra> latest
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| 09:55 | <stgraber> :)
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| 09:56 | <ogra> stgraber, did i ping you already about my latest ldm upload ?
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| 09:56 | i updated the theme deps
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| 09:56 | <stgraber> ogra: I saw it but you didn't ping me
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| 09:56 | <ogra> i meant to ... so i did now :)
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| 09:57 | just wanted to make sure you know about it
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| 09:57 | <stgraber> ogra: I'll soon have a new ltsp upload, I just saw some bugs with the init script (missing feature) so I'll work on merging the upstream init script
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| 09:57 | and just apply some patches on it if needed
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| 09:57 | <ogra> yeah, makes sense
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| 09:57 | we should probbly just have a cp in the clean target
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| 09:58 | though that isnt really policy clean
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| 09:58 | but i dont actualy mind :P
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| 09:58 | <stgraber> do we have a clean way to get the latest source from LP ?
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| 09:58 | sort of apt-get source but using LP
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| 09:59 | <ogra> no, and actually packages are required to have a get-source target in their rules nowadays
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| 09:59 | "get-orig-source"
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| 10:14 | <jeward> Okay, I have installed an Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP server and I have a client I want to use against it.
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| 10:14 | The client currently is booting from Damn Small Linux and cannot boot from CD. How to I make it a thin client?
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| 10:15 | (Damn Small Linux is installed on the 2G hard drive)
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| 10:15 | <johnny> why would it boot from cd? :)
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| 10:16 | <ogra> make the client boot off the net
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| 10:16 | <johnny> jeward, set it to netboot
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| 10:16 | <jeward> It's very old, doesn't boot from anything but floppy and HD.
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| 10:16 | <johnny> hi.. any familiar with what will happen in windows if you plug in a usb drive with multiple partitions, especially one with an ext2
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| 10:16 | jeward, then make floppy off of rom-o-matic
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| 10:16 | <jeward> HP Omnibook 800ct
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| 10:16 | <johnny> that will enable it to network boot
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| 10:16 | <jeward> rom-o-matic?
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| 10:16 | <johnny> yes.. look it up
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| 10:17 | <jeward> Okay, thanks.
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| 10:17 | <ogra> johnny, nothing will happen, win doesnt know about extX
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| 10:17 | <johnny> i mean.. one with ext2/3 and another fat32
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| 10:17 | will it recognize the fat32 partition ?
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| 10:17 | if both exist?
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| 10:17 | <ogra> i would expect it to see the fat FS
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| 10:17 | but then i havent touched win since ages
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| 10:18 | <johnny> i want to get a 16gb or greater usb flash thingy
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| 10:18 | and install linux on it.. but hten have fat32 with portable win apps
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| 10:23 | <jeward> Oh, I forgot to mention the Omnibook is wireless... will the floppy have any chance of having a wireless device driver?
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| 10:23 | <ogra> no
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| 10:23 | <jeward> Is there some way I can use the existing, functional Damn Small Linux to become a thin client to the LTSP server?
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| 10:29 | <jeward> Seems like it would have been fairly straight forward in the prior versions of LTSP, but I don't understand exactly how LTSP-5 is supposed to work.
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| 10:29 | Maybe I'm over-thinking the problem.
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| 10:32 | <nubae> johnny: IIRC, it will see only the first partition
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| 10:32 | so if part2 is fat32, it won't see it
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> johnny, I think it'll see both partitions, but only the fat32 one as a mountable filesystem :P
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| 10:35 | <johnny> jeward, no.. it's the same as ltsp4
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> (it'll work fine, I mean)
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| 10:35 | <nubae> jeward: in that scenario it stops being LTSP, as its just connecting via vnc, NX, or whatever
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| 10:35 | <johnny> alkisg, thanks
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> jeward, I think you may put the wireless driver in the chroot initrd, then do ltsp-update-initramfs / kernels etc, then copy /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz and initrd to the client, and finally add it to your menu.lst with an ip=xxxserverxxx parameter...
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| 10:38 | Too much trouble, but I think it's doable
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| 10:39 | <ogra> you also need the wireless tools ... and configure them
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| 10:39 | <nubae> this from web: You can use DOS or Linux to partition such drives but Windows
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| 10:39 | 2000+ will see the first partition only.
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| 10:45 | <klb> hm, I appear to be stuck. I set up ltsp-server (not -standalone) on an Ubuntu server, the client boots and gets right to starting ldm. At that point it locks up, kb and mouse are unresponsive. Display shows the blue background and a frozen wait cursor.
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> nubae, grrr.... you made curious, I'll boot into windows to test it... After 6 months without windows!!! grrr... :)
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| 10:47 | <johnny> i guess i need one of those usb drives that are also hubs. :(
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| 10:47 | so i can still only use one port
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| 10:48 | <ogra> how about just getting a hub *and* a usb drive ? :)
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| 10:48 | <johnny> then i'd have to carry the hub
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| 10:48 | <ogra> you are so lazy
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| 10:49 | <johnny> no.. my pockets are only so big :)
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| 10:49 | <ogra> there are really tiny pocket hubs :)
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| 10:49 | * ogra has one thats not much bigger than a lighter | |
| 10:49 | <johnny> how many ports?
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| 10:49 | <ogra> 4
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| 10:49 | <johnny> 2?
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| 10:49 | 4?
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| 10:49 | i have one.. but it is only usb 1 :(
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| 10:50 | i need to buy a usb 2 one
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> johnny, after testing: 1st partition fat, 2nd partition ext2 => everything OK. BUT: 1st partition ext2, 2nd partition fat => windows prompts to format the 1st partition to fat.
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| 11:23 | <johnny> bastards
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> Hmm... I wonder if that is also valid for extended partitions
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| 11:24 | <johnny> and that is with windows XP?
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> vista
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| 11:24 | <johnny> so . probably the same with xp then..
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> So I think what nubae said was absolutely correct, it's the same since 2000...
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| 11:24 | <johnny> hmm.. that sounds like it would be difficult to boot from if the fat32 partition is large enough
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| 11:27 | <Nubae> there are workarounds
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| 11:27 | but by default its like that
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| 11:27 | u can install something on windows so it sees the other partitions
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> johnny, third test: 1st partition fat, 2nd partition ext2 *flagged bootable* => all OK.
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| 11:36 | <johnny> and your fat partition was how big?
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> 1Gb
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| 11:37 | Why does this matter?
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| 11:45 | <johnny> was worrying about bios boot limitations, but perhaps that doesn't matter anymore..
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> johnny, final test: no primaries, just one extended with 3 logicals: fat/ext2/fat. Explorer only showed the first one, and diskmgmt thought the second one was a primary partition! Totally broken!
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| 11:56 | <Nubae> not broken.... just windows :-)
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> So, partition #1 has to be fat, and everything else is viewable only under linux...
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| 12:08 | <johnny> i know that u3 software gets around such things via a fake cd
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| 12:08 | or something silly like that
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| 12:09 | <Nubae> http://www.ghacks.net/2008/10/16/how-to-create-multiple-usb-stick-partitions/
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| 12:11 | <johnny> aha.. yeah.. that's what i was talking about :)
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| 12:15 | <petre> stgraber, ping
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| 12:49 | <vvinet> he's away
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| 12:49 | ;)
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| 12:54 | <vvinet> uh oh
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| 16:18 | <petre> What does "SCREEN_01 Contains a screen script ldm Please change to another screen" mean?
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| 16:21 | <johnny> it says that you shouldn't use SCREEN_O1 for any screen scripts
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| 16:21 | SCREEN_01 rather
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| 16:22 | altho in upstream and for fedora, that restriction is removed
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| 16:22 | since fedora wants to use it for flickr free transition
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| 16:22 | <warren> petre: where are you seeing that? That isn't an error on Fedora
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| 16:23 | petre: so I changed the code so it shouldn't error out
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| 16:23 | <johnny> warren, isn't it for older installs tho :)
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| 16:23 | <petre> warren, I'm seeing it on my k12linux box
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| 16:23 | <warren> petre: rpm -q ltsp
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| 16:23 | err
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| 16:23 | rpm -q ltsp-client
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| 16:24 | <petre> hmm, says it's not installed; not sure how that came to be
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| 16:24 | <warren> ltsp-client wont be installed on the serer
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| 16:24 | server
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| 16:24 | <petre> it's supposed to be installed in the chroot?
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| 16:25 | <warren> ltsp-client?
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| 16:25 | <petre> the error is appearing on the client right after "Adding udev persistent rules"
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| 16:25 | <warren> what version of ltsp-client is installed in the client?
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| 16:25 | <petre> what do you mean it won't be installed on the server?
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| 16:25 | <warren> ltsp-client is useless on the server
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| 16:26 | ltsp-client is necessary in the client
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| 16:26 | <petre> so then where does it get installed?
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| 16:27 | * petre is confused | |
| 16:27 | <warren> ltsp-client is only in the client chroot
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| 16:27 | if [ "${SCREEN_NUM}" = "01" ]; then
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| 16:27 | # This is not an error on Fedora.
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| 16:27 | if [ ! -e /etc/rwtab ]; then
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| 16:27 | logger -t LTSP "Screen scripts should not be run on SCREEN_01"
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| 16:27 | echo "SCREEN_01 Contains a screen script ${SCREEN_SCRIPT} ${SCREEN_ARGS} Please change to another screen"
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| 16:28 | exit 1
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| 16:28 | fi
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| 16:28 | fi
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| 16:28 | ltsp-client's latest RPM has this stupid conditional to allow it to work on Fedora.
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| 16:28 | If it is failing, then you are not running the latest RPM
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| 16:29 | <petre> suggesting the server was updated but not the client?
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| 16:29 | I haven't fired up a client with this server for a couple of weeks, but it was working previously
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| 16:30 | <warren> latest server RPM sets SCREEN_01=ldm by default
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| 16:31 | you need a matching ltsp-client in the chroot
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| 16:31 | <petre> can I just do a 'yum update ltsp-client' in the chroot?
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| 16:33 | <warren> yes
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| 16:33 | although you probably want yum update entirely
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| 16:33 | upgrade everything in the chroot
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| 16:33 | <petre> current ltsp-client is 5.1.26-1
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| 16:34 | <warren> yes, that's too old
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| 16:34 | The above restriction on SCREEN_01 was a bad idea anyway
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| 16:37 | <petre> what was the point of the restriction?
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| 16:38 | <warren> petre: misguided ideas from Ubunt
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| 16:39 | <petre> I chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386 and then ran yum update
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| 16:40 | <johnny> sometimes you need a pr guy warren ..
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| 16:40 | <petre> but it choked because I didn't mount /proc and it couldn't find /proc/cpuinfo
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| 16:40 | <johnny> why do the smartest people say such devisive things
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| 16:40 | <warren> because it is true in this case.
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| 16:40 | <johnny> sure.. but saying it like that will never help your case
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| 16:40 | <warren> petre: yeah, that's documented in the wiki.
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| 16:40 | <petre> wasn't there some mention about sending Warren to charm school ;-)
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| 16:40 | <johnny> yeah.. that was me too
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| 16:40 | <warren> To hell with that.
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| 16:41 | <johnny> you'd come across alot better. i promise..
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| 16:41 | <petre> so I did the "sudo mount -t proc /proc /proc"
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| 16:41 | <warren> if you chrooted in there, aren't you already root?
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| 16:41 | then just "mount /proc"
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| 16:41 | <johnny> ciaran mccreesh is probably my favorite example of a really really smart person.. who just can't interact with the real world..
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| 16:41 | <petre> yes
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| 16:41 | dns appears to not be working
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| 16:42 | <warren> petre: copy /etc/resolv.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
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| 16:42 | oh wait, this isn't DOS.
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| 16:42 | =)
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| 16:42 | <petre> I knew what you meant
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| 16:43 | <warren> The T-mobile G1 lacks the cp command
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| 16:43 | you can use cat to copy too.
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| 16:46 | <petre> ok, it's updating now, and ltsp-client is in the list
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| 16:46 | johnny, who is ciaran mccreesh?
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| 16:46 | * petre is apparently too lazy to google for the name | |
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| 16:48 | <johnny> some guy in the gentoo community..
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| 16:49 | <dberkholz> boo.
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| 16:50 | he's my favorite example of how a single person can ruin a huge community project
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| 16:51 | <petre> an army of one?
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| 16:57 | <warren> dberkholz: I'm not the favorite example?
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| 16:57 | <dberkholz> warren: i said ruin, not start. =)
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| 16:57 | <petre> wow! client now boots MUCH faster
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| 16:58 | <warren> petre: don't forget to run ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot after upgrading kernels inside
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| 16:58 | petre: and yes, I also commented out the go_very_slow() function call
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| 16:59 | <petre> 52 seconds from power-on to login screen
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| 17:00 | half of which is the machine going through its POST
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| 17:01 | tell me again why the volume setting can't persist past a reboot?
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| 17:01 | <johnny> dberkholz, seems like the kind of guy who needs an ass whoopin..
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| 17:03 | <warren> petre: because that's saved in /var or /etc/ somewhere
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| 17:03 | <petre> seems like it ought to be stored in ~
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