IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 31 March 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:19 | <johnny> laga, are you about?
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| 00:19 | uggh.. guess not..
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| 00:27 | <AzMoo> Hi, I have my ltsp client booting from across the network, but I can't seem to login to it with a username and password that works fine on a different client. Any ideas why?
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| 00:37 | <johnny> so.. does every other one work?
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| 00:38 | <AzMoo> Well there's only one other one, and it does work.
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| 00:38 | Another client I mean. It's an Xubuntu LTSP so I can't log in as root.
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| 00:42 | If I chroot to the ltsp image and add a user, I have to do ltsp-update-image before it will recognize it, right?
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| 00:43 | <cyberorg> AzMoo, users are created on the server, not in chroot
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| 00:44 | <AzMoo> cyberorg: I see. Well, why can I log in to the server with my user and not the client? Is there somewhere I have to define which users are allowed to log in? Sorry for asking such fundamental questions, it's just that I can't really find any comprehensive docs.
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| 00:45 | <cyberorg> AzMoo, use the account you can ssh into the server with
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| 00:45 | <AzMoo> cyberorg: I have, it's just denying me.
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| 00:46 | <cyberorg> AzMoo, can you ssh into the server from some other machine?
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| 00:46 | <AzMoo> cyberorg: Yep.
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| 00:47 | <cyberorg> AzMoo, then check logs on the server when client tries to log in
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| 00:50 | <AzMoo> cyberorg: Which logs? I'm looking at /var/log/auth.log and messages and syslog, but I'm not seeing anything.
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| 00:50 | <cyberorg> AzMoo, syslog should show some requests from the cleint
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| 00:51 | /var/log/messages
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| 00:51 | <AzMoo> Nah, it's not showing anything, oddly enough.
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| 00:52 | The last entry in that is: Mar 31 13:16:28 kiosk -- MARK --
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| 00:52 | And it's 16:21 now.
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| 00:52 | <cyberorg> AzMoo, is syslog service running?
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| 00:53 | <AzMoo> Certainly is.
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| 00:55 | <cyberorg> sorry, no idea then
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| 00:55 | <AzMoo> Can you point me towards some decent documentation?
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| 00:56 | I think part of my problem is that I really don't understand how this is all working.
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| 00:56 | <cyberorg> AzMoo, the client run "ssh -X user@serverIP /path/to/Xsession"
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| 00:57 | that is all there is to it :)
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| 00:57 | <AzMoo> That can't be right. X is failing to load on the client.
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| 00:57 | <cyberorg> if you can do that normally, you should be able to do via ldm
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| 00:57 | <AzMoo> But I've got a vty login prompt.
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| 00:58 | <cyberorg> oh, your issue is different then, most likely X configuration issue
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| 00:58 | <AzMoo> Yeah, I think so, but I can't see what's failing because I can't log in to the client.
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| 00:58 | <cyberorg> you cannot login to tty using server username
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| 00:59 | <AzMoo> correct.
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| 00:59 | <cyberorg> check out the docs about xeserver config that goes into lts.conf
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| 01:00 | not sure if you have to rebuild the image if you change lts.conf, best wait for ogra or someone else from ubuntu team
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| 01:00 | <AzMoo> What time are they usually around?
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| 01:00 | * AzMoo is at work. | |
| 01:01 | <cyberorg> they should be in few hours time
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| 01:01 | <AzMoo> OK, thanks mate.
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| 01:08 | <johnny> you can set a root password on the chroot tho, if you wanna poke around in there
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| 01:09 | then you can log into the local tty
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| 01:14 | <AzMoo> OK, I got into it. Set a root password, rebuilt the chroot and logged in. Seems the X driver I'm using doesn't support 32bpp. Where do I change the X config? Within the chroot or on the server normally?
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| 01:15 | <AzMoo> It would have to be on the server normally, because there is no xorg.conf in the chroot.
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| 01:19 | <cyberorg> AzMoo, X_COLOR_DEPTH=whatyouneed in lts.conf
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| 01:20 | under the client section[MAC]
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| 01:21 | for all variables that you can set, see configure-x.sh
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| 01:22 | <AzMoo> Ah, wicked, thanks.
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| 01:28 | <dberkholz> what weirdo driver is that?
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| 01:29 | <AzMoo> i810
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| 01:29 | <dberkholz> Note: depth means the number of bits in a pixel that are actually used to determine the pixel colour. 32 is not a valid depth value. Most hardware that uses 32 bits per pixel only uses 24 of them to hold the colour information, which means that the colour depth is 24, not 32.
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| 01:31 | <AzMoo> Yeah, I got that. It was just the default settings. I've put it down to 16 and it's running X now.
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| 01:31 | <dberkholz> i810 should definitely work at 24
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| 01:31 | i'm using it right now
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| 01:35 | <AzMoo> Do I have to run ltsp-update-image each time I change a config value?
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| 02:21 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour !
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| 03:42 | <tjikkun_work> hi, i get the message that the client is not authorized to authenticate, any idea what is wrong? this is on a fedora install with modified network settings
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| 03:45 | <cyberorg> tjikkun_work, run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 03:46 | <tjikkun_work> cyberorg: thanks, that helps a bit.. although it still doesn' t log in, i just get the login screen back
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| 03:47 | <cyberorg> tjikkun_work, try ssh user@serverip from another machine on the network
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| 03:47 | <tjikkun_work> cyberorg: that works without problems
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| 03:48 | <cyberorg> hmm, you need to wait for warren for more :)
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| 03:49 | <tjikkun_work> cyberorg: ok, will do that, do you know what timezone he is from?
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| 03:49 | <cyberorg> nope, somewhere in asia, japan?
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| 03:50 | <tjikkun_work> ok. i'll just wait and see then
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| 03:50 | thanks :)
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| 04:08 | <ogra_cmpc> tjikkun_work, does "ssh -Y user@serverip xterm" get you an xterm on another machine ? you probably need to modify the sshd config to allow that in fedora
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| 04:08 | (an dindeed teh server needs a proper desktop installed to work at all)
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| 04:10 | cyberorg, warren lives on US eastcoast
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| 04:10 | <cyberorg> ogra_cmpc, ok :)
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| 04:23 | <tjikkun_work> ogra_cmpc: xterm comes up without problems
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| 04:24 | <ogra_cmpc> and you got a desktop installed so the Xsession script can run properly ?
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| 04:25 | (thats what ldm executes after login, not sure where that sits on redhat systems)
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| 04:39 | <tjikkun_work> yes, i have gnome installed
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| 04:39 | <ogra_cmpc> then it shoud work ...
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| 04:39 | anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
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| 04:41 | <tjikkun_work> nope, that file doesn' t exist
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| 04:41 | <ogra_cmpc> auth.log ?
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| 04:42 | <tjikkun_work> also doesn' t exist
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| 04:42 | <ogra_cmpc> in /var/log ?
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| 04:43 | your sshd should create it on start if it doesnt exists
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| 04:44 | <tjikkun_work> ah, i think it is /var/log/secure
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| 04:44 | <ogra_cmpc> aha ...
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| 04:44 | * ogra_cmpc hsant touched any redhat based OS since RH 4.2 | |
| 04:45 | <tjikkun_work> well, don' t see anything weird in the log
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| 04:46 | <ogra_cmpc> and you are using the recent fdeora ltsp packages ?
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| 04:46 | they should DTRT ... weird that they dont
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| 04:47 | <tjikkun_work> well, maybe something is just wrong with my fedora setup
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| 04:47 | it is rawhide, but i think that is supossed to work
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| 04:47 | <ogra_cmpc> might be ... thats actuallys requiring warren i guess ... i'm out of suggestions from my ubuntu view ....
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| 04:48 | <tjikkun_work> ok, thank you very much anyway
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| 06:27 | <daduke> !seen vagrantc
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| 06:27 | <ltspbot> daduke: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 19 hours, 37 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <vagrantc> seems like with pack-0.92, it actually even works.
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| 06:35 | <ogra_cmpc> daduke, he migth be on his way back to the us, not sure how long his event in spain goes on
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| 06:38 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: yeah I remembered something like this. thanks. You don't happen to be familiar with the ltsp process in debian?
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| 06:38 | <ogra_cmpc> process ?
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| 06:39 | you mean package approval between testing/unstable ?
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| 06:39 | or what exactly ?
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| 06:41 | <ltsppbot> "daduke" pasted "chroot package install failure" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/487
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| 06:41 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: I wonder how the ltsp-client-core package gets installed. backround: I'm working on my debian-live boot image (you might remember), and in the live chroot ltsp-client-core is not being installed: pb/487
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| 06:41 | <ogra_cmpc> (i'm in teh uploaders list and in teh pkg-ltsp devel group of debian, but wouldnt dare to make an upload there witrhout talikg to vagrant forst)
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| 06:48 | daduke, ltsp-client-core should be pulled in by ltsp-client
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| 06:50 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: it is, but it fails to install with said error message
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| 06:52 | <ltsppbot> "daduke" pasted "preinst script" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/488
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| 06:53 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: and I cannot see why the preinst script (pb/488) should fail. what unknown argument?
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| 06:53 | <ogra_cmpc> daduke, touch /etc/ltsp_chroot
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| 06:54 | it is supposed to fail in any environment that doesnt have that file
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| 06:54 | so people dont install it by accident on their normal systems
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| 06:55 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: ahh, now we're talking... good idea, lemme try...
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| 06:55 | ogra_cmpc: will take ~ 5 min...
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| 07:02 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 31 13:54 chroot/etc/ltsp_chroot, but it still does not install...
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| 07:02 | <ogra_cmpc> thats odd, it surely should
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| 07:03 | do you have your debconf frontend set to noninteractive ?
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| 07:04 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: I'm afraid I don't really know what that means :(
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| 07:04 | <ogra_cmpc> export DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive
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| 07:05 | that needs to be at the top of your chroot builder script
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| 07:06 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: I'll try. I tried export DEBCONF_DEBUG='.*', but this did not change anything. I'm not sure what all this lh_config and lh_build magic does...
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| 07:07 | <ogra_cmpc> s/lh_/dh_ ?
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| 07:07 | man debconf :)
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| 07:07 | and man debconf-deve
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| 07:07 | l
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| 07:07 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: nope, it's called lh_*, I guess it stands for live-helper
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| 07:07 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 07:08 | that would be odd though ... forking debconf just fro naming conventions
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| 07:08 | my live scripts in ubuntu just use the existing tools ... so i cant judge what lh_* does for you
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| 07:08 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: not guilty, your honor, I just installed and use it ;)
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| 07:09 | <ogra_cmpc> i didnt blame you :)
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| 07:09 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: I know
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| 07:11 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: it fails... dunno know
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| 07:11 | <ogra_cmpc> me neither, that would be a question to the debian-live folks i guess
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| 07:12 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: don't you think they'd blame it on you ltsp ppl since the other 200M install just fine?
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| 07:12 | <ogra_cmpc> well, it works fine in a normal chroot env where we use dbehelper scripts
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| 07:13 | *debhelper
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| 07:13 | so if they forked debhelper to be something different, i'd rather blame their forked something
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| 07:14 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: I can try. however, I'm not sure lh_build is not 1 layer 'higher' than debhelper...
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| 07:15 | <ogra_cmpc> might be, i have never heard of it
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| 07:15 | in any case the preinst should only fire if /etc/ltsp_chroot doesnt exist in the chroot
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| 07:15 | if you have that file and it still fires, something is wrong with debconf
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| 07:16 | if [ ! -f /etc/ltsp_chroot ]; then is a pretty clear statement :)
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| 07:18 | the debconf parts below only show a note to the user
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| 07:19 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: I agree, but touching it didn't change a thing. Could the error msg I got be a result of this bailing out? I just asked the debian-live ppl.
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| 07:20 | <ogra_cmpc> note really, the code under the fi statement should be executed at all if the file is there
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| 07:20 | s/fi/if
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| 07:21 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: I guess then we have a fine example of the "2. Hauptsatz der Informatik": der Fehler liegt woanders.
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| 07:23 | <ogra_cmpc> hmm
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| 07:24 | do you use ltsp-build-client to create the chroot ?
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| 07:25 | it sets a bunch of environment defaults yourpackages might need
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| 07:27 | (like DEBCONF_FRONTEND for example)
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| 07:35 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: nope, the chroot's done by lh_config. but this might be a lead indeed...
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| 07:35 | <ogra_cmpc> oh
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| 07:35 | yeah
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| 07:35 | you should use ltsp-build-client and call that from whatever tool you want to useto build the iso
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| 07:35 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: let me take a look at ltsp-build-client (again)
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| 07:36 | <ogra_cmpc> there are lots of settings the plugins make to make sure the packages install and find their defaults as needed
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| 07:36 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: yeah right, those plugins... hmmm
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| 07:37 | ogra_cmpc: thing is, I don't know what the overlap/difference is between the chroots of ltsp and debian-live (apart from ltsp* of course)
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| 07:41 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: lh_config only creates a config/ dir, all the rest (which is a lot) is done by lh_build. I'm afraid that if I replace the lh chroot with the ltsp one, all the debian-live stuff is missing and it won't boot any longer...
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| 07:42 | <ogra_cmpc> well, in the end you only need a modified initramfs for having the live stuff
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| 07:43 | (thats why i love casper so much, it just works with any possible chroot :) )
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| 07:47 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: would you have any idea on how to create a live-capable initramfs for the ltsp chroot?
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| 07:48 | <ogra_cmpc> i would leave that to casper in ubuntu and tweak some settings for it
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| 07:48 | * daduke has to talk to casper then... | |
| 07:49 | <ogra_cmpc> not sure thats still suported or regulary updated in debian though
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| 07:49 | they seem to have switched everything to debian-live
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| 07:49 | <daduke> :-(
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| 07:50 | <ogra_cmpc> casper is actually an initramfs script ... with tons of optional settings to tweak its behavior ...
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| 07:50 | it doesnt run mkisofs or something, thats something you would have to do with a wrapper script
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| 07:51 | <daduke> ogra_cmpc: then it might be easier to try to run the important parts of ltsp-build-client and have lh_build do the rest
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| 07:52 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah, thats waht i was suggesting with "you should use ltsp-build-client and call that from whatever tool you want to use to build the iso"
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| 07:54 | <cliebow> anyone have a link to warren's tutorial from yesterday?
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| 08:20 | <tjikkun_work> cliebow: maybe https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide ?
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| 08:23 | <timborn> cliebow - http://deltacfax.dyndns.org/timborn/LTSP-warren-080330.txt
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| 08:24 | i'm sure he will post it somewhere sane soon
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| 08:41 | <cliebow> timborn:thanks..
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> hey homies
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| 09:02 | <cliebow> jammcq!
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> hey chuckster
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| 09:05 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 09:11 | so if i have done a co of ltsp-trunk.. which exists in /ltsp-trunk..do i bzr branch or pull to create my own playpen version?
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| 09:11 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 09:11 | branch
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| 09:12 | bzr branch ltsp-trunk ltsp-cliebow
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| 09:12 | <cliebow> ahhh..workewd that time..
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| 09:12 | 686 revision
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| 09:12 | s
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| 09:15 | <ogra_cmpc> sounds familiar
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| 09:18 | <cliebow> how elaborate is building deb from the source tree?
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| 09:19 | <ogra_cmpc> not working anymore since we had to split out the packaging bits
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| 09:20 | pull the source package, roll a new orig.tar.gz, update the packaging bits to apply to that and roll a new source package is todays way
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| 09:21 | <cliebow> cool!..that i can get my head around
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| 09:21 | <ogra_cmpc> its a ton more complicated than it was before but was necessary if we want to have independent upstream
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| 09:21 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 09:21 | any news about the pam/ldm bug ?
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| 09:21 | <ogra_cmpc> you might also need the mkdst tree
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| 09:22 | <cliebow> ok..
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| 09:22 | <ogra_cmpc> (to roll the tarball, even though just tarring up teh source should suffice, you will just have all teh bzr metadata in it then)
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| 09:22 | (that increases size by about 2M)
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| 09:24 | <cliebow> i see..
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| 09:24 | * cliebow cliebow looks at mkdst | |
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| 09:26 | <cliebow> not much more than a shell script then...
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| 09:28 | <ogra_cmpc> right
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| 09:28 | just calling bzr export and tar ... and giving the right filemanes
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| 09:58 | <cliebow> /plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu..wjere are these sourced from?
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| 09:58 | <ogra_cmpc> you mean the target dir where they are installed on the system ?
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| 09:59 | or do you meqan from which script ?
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| 09:59 | the latter is ltsp-build-client, the dir should be /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
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| 10:00 | <cliebow> ohhh..that was dumb..
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| 10:00 | <vagrantc> i /me waves from madrid
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| 10:00 | er.
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| 10:00 | * cliebow cliebow waves from snowbank | |
| 10:00 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, airport ?
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| 10:00 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: hostel
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| 10:00 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 10:00 | not on your way back yet ?
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> way back?
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| 10:02 | whoah! mips built ldm!
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| 10:02 | it's a miracle
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| 10:02 | <cliebow> so on install /usr/share/ltsp is populated..
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| 10:03 | must be that hostel environment
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| 10:06 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, well, i thought its a weekendish event
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> i think it's the 2nd-6th-ish ... and i got here a couple days early to actually be mentally conscious once we get to working :)
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| 10:09 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 10:09 | welcome to my timezone then :)
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| 10:10 | i just booked my prague flight
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> hrm. so now it's only hppa that's holding back sid -> lenny progression for ldm and ltsp
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| 11:39 | <MattyOv> Hi all - I am having some problems with LTSP on edubuntu - can anyone help at all?
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| 11:47 | <cliebow> MattyOv, tell us what the prob is...
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| 11:48 | <MattyOv> Hiya, well I have an intel quad core and the thin clients just hang - even if I build the clients with ltsp-build-client --arch i3867
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| 11:48 | (i386)
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| 11:50 | <cliebow> where do they hang??
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| 11:51 | <MattyOv> on the ctrl-alt-f1 screen I just get Ubuntu ltsp tty
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| 11:51 | ltsp login:
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| 11:52 | <cliebow> are you saying you drop to a busybox shell because the squashfs doent mount?
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| 11:53 | <MattyOv> Erm I have no idea if that's what I am saying :) I have set this up before and it just worked - it seems the Intel quad core server is causing a prob with AMD64. I have followed lots of stuff in google for dealing with this but got nowhere
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| 11:53 | have now gone back to a 32 bit install on this machine to try to get the ltsp server working ok
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| 11:54 | <cliebow> ogra may be listening in..
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| 11:54 | in /etc/inetd.conf you have a line for nbdroot right?
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| 11:55 | <MattyOv> 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 11:55 | like that?
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> MattyOv: have you changed lts.conf at all?
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| 11:56 | <cliebow> Gadi is THE MAN
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| 11:56 | <MattyOv> nope not that I know of - I did change dhcp.conf
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> sounds like X is just not coming up for you
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| 11:56 | if you ctrl-alt-f7 are you at a graphical login?
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| 11:57 | <MattyOv> nope - just hda_intel: azx_get_response timout, switching top single_cmd mode
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| 11:57 | <cliebow> rmphh
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> do this:
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| 11:58 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 11:58 | enter a password
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| 11:58 | then, sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 11:58 | and reboot the terminal
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| 11:58 | then, you can ctrl-alt-f1, log in as root on the terminal, and have a look at /tmp/ldm.log
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| 11:59 | <MattyOv> ah that sounds like a good plan!
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| 12:00 | <cliebow> i was just about to say that too..what Gadi said
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| 12:00 | 8~)
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| 12:00 | <MattyOv> :)
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> MattyOv: you may also want to check the X log on the terminal
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| 12:01 | my guess is that X died
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| 12:01 | <MattyOv> I just have a file called /tm/ldm/192.168.0.1
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| 12:02 | ah right ldm.log is /var/log/ldm.log
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| 12:02 | it just says starting Xorg
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| 12:02 | <cliebow> check xorg log..
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| 12:03 | <MattyOv> in Xorg.6.log I get 'fatal server error: no screens found'
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 12:03 | <MattyOv> above that 'Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
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| 12:03 | <cliebow> what video card on client?
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| 12:03 | hmmm
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> have a look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 12:04 | <MattyOv> it's a laptop - but the same happens on the desktop I have too
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| 12:04 | <cliebow> some nvidia chip?
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| 12:04 | <MattyOv> maybe not too sure what the chip is (in either)
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 12:05 | <cliebow> he could force vesa driver in lts.conf..
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| 12:05 | ?
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| 12:05 | see what happens/..
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| 12:05 | <MattyOv> I have Driver "vesa"
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| 12:05 | <cliebow> hee hee
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| 12:05 | maybe an intel choip?
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> MattyOv: can you paste your xorg log?
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| 12:05 | !pastebot
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| 12:05 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> you can scp it from the terminal to the server
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| 12:08 | <ltsppbot> "MattyOv" pasted "Xorg.1.log" (652 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/489
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| 12:09 | "MattyOv" pasted "Xorg.6.log" (2025 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/490
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> its your monitor
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| 12:10 | do this:
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| 12:10 | create a file on the server called "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf"
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| 12:10 | in there put:
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| 12:10 | [default]
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| 12:10 | X_VERTREFRESH = "60-85"
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| 12:11 | X_HORZSYNC = "30-100"
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| 12:11 | ... then, reboot the thin client
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| 12:13 | <MattyOv> wow - that totally makes it work
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| 12:13 | <MattyOv> :) I am so rubbish :(
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> ?
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| 12:13 | <MattyOv> so it was basically that X could not drive the monitor - for both clients?
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> no
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| 12:13 | <MattyOv> :) oh ok
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> it was that X could not derive the correct sync ranges from the monitor
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| 12:13 | <johnny> vagrantc, so how did have the bind mounts method working?
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> X asks the monitor what sync ranges to use
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> johnny: could you be more specific?
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> and it was returning bad numbers
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| 12:14 | <johnny> oh.. i forgot i had a more immediate question
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> johnny: or you just want a general overview?
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> so, there were no valid video modes for the ranges specified
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| 12:14 | <johnny> ./autogen is failing in ltspfs
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| 12:14 | <MattyOv> well thank you very much for that - it has been driving me nuts for days
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> MattyOv: now, try this:
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| 12:15 | <johnny> .autogen.sh that is, it's looking for a ./ChangeLog file
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> MattyOv: comment out those two lines in lts.conf
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| 12:15 | <johnny> but that was removed to use bzr commit log instead iirc
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> and put: CONFIGURE_X=False
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| 12:15 | and see if you get the same result
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| 12:16 | <cliebow> Gadi Rocks 8~)
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| 12:16 | <MattyOv> so this is all irrelevant what hardware I am running on - it is just config thing for X?
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> MattyOv: not irrelevant at all
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| 12:17 | here's the deal:
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| 12:17 | <MattyOv> (I get that no codecs installaed message)
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> there is a configure-x script on the thin client that uses X -configure to create a xorg.conf file
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| 12:17 | if you turn CONFIGURE_X = False, the script does not execute
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> johnny: maybe we should include a single changelog entry that says "this file should be automatically generated using bzr log."
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> in generating xorg.conf, configure-x will get the sync ranges from the monitor
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| 12:18 | <johnny> i don't think that is necessary
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> so, you have 2 choices:
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| 12:18 | turn off the script
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| 12:18 | or set the ranges manually
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| 12:18 | <johnny> Makefile.am: required file `./ChangeLog' not found
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> 1: CONFIGURE_X = False
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> well, how do we ensure a ChangeLog gets created?
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> 2: X_VERTREFRESH.... X_HORZSYNC....
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> ./autogen.sh shouldn't assume you're using bzr
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| 12:19 | <MattyOv> ok cool - well it appears turning it off also causes it to fail so I need the second option the I guess
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> MattyOv: thats a better one anyway, imo
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| 12:19 | :)
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| 12:19 | <cliebow> configure-x.sh ?
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| 12:20 | <MattyOv> Ok cool - so what I should do now - is go back to a 64bit architecture of 8.04 on my server and build the client with the --arch i386 and make these changes again?
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| 12:21 | <johnny> vagrantc, are you sure we should even care?
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| 12:21 | just make it not care about a ChangeLog file
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| 12:21 | btw.. this is pulling from a bzr branch
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> johnny: i am *sure* that we *should* care about having a ChangeLog of some form or fashion.
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| 12:21 | <johnny> i think one web accessible is fine?
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> johnny: wether we actually do is another issue.
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| 12:22 | johnny: how do you get a web accessible changelog from a tarball?
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> MattyOv: if that was all it was :)
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| 12:22 | <johnny> it's already web accessible in loggerhead
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| 12:22 | <MattyOv> Gadi - many thanks for that help - it has been days fiddling and getting no-where. You are indeed a star!!!
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> johnny: how do you know that the changelog included in your tarball matches the web accessible one?
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| 12:23 | <MattyOv> Yeah it could be a mix of things but now I am a bit better armed I can't see why the LTSP stuff would be so different from 7.1 to 8.04 of ubuntu
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| 12:23 | (optimist)
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> 7.10
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> MattyOv: pop in anytime
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| 12:24 | <johnny> vagrantc, why would it? especially if the tarball is out of date
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| 12:25 | <cliebow> Gadi, configure-x.sh is sourced from ltsp-core?
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> johnny: i don't get it.. .how on earth can you get a changelog from the web and knnow that it corresponds to an arbitrary tarball?
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| 12:25 | <johnny> it won't.. and i don't care that it does
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> and we *should*
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| 12:25 | that's what i'm saying.
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| 12:25 | <johnny> either way.. i'm operating from a bzr repo :)
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| 12:26 | atm
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| 12:26 | and i can't make ltspfs
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| 12:26 | i think it should ignore ChangeLog if it doensn't exist
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> it should create a dummy changelog if it doesnt't exist, i think...
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| 12:27 | <johnny> i'm not that concerned about the argument of wheter we should have a changelog, i just want ./autogen.sh to work
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> sure.
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| 12:28 | <johnny> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/revision/wtogami%40redhat.com-20080326204915-dibhtmhkgiehlt6l?start_revid=wtogami%40redhat.com-20080326204915-dibhtmhkgiehlt6l
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> cliebow: ltsp-client-core
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| 12:29 | <cliebow> ahhh
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| 12:29 | <johnny> it looks like the intention was to generate the changelog from bzr, but it's not doing that atm
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> johnny: it does it from mkdst
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| 12:30 | <johnny> can't autogen ignore this missing changelog file?
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| 12:30 | the odd part.. is i can't figure out how its looking for the ChangeLog grep -r ChangeLog shows nothing
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| 12:30 | * vagrantc won't restate vagrantc's opinion | |
| 12:30 | <dberkholz> i love how i can't get to any ubuntu-related websites for work.
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| 12:30 | from work, that is
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| 12:30 | <johnny> that's fantastic..
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| 12:30 | <cliebow> Gadi:ltsp-client-core is generated from ltsp-trunk?
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> cliebow: ltsp-trunk may have moved things around
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| 12:31 | * Gadi hasn't been keeping up with the saga that is ltsp-upstream of late | |
| 12:31 | <Gadi> other than the spicy emails :)
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| 12:31 | <cliebow> i am trying to get a handle on the moment
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> heh
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| 12:32 | <cliebow> find /ltsp-trunk -name *client* reurns nada
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| 12:33 | <dberkholz> in xorg, we autogenerate ChangeLog from git at `make dist` time
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| 12:33 | <johnny> my autofoo must be weak
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| 12:33 | ~/projects/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk $ grep -r ChangeLog *
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| 12:33 | how does it even know to look for a ChangeLog if that returns nothing?
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| 12:36 | <johnny> this is before ./autogen.sh
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| 12:37 | after that, i see it being used in Makefile.in
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| 12:41 | <dberkholz> johnny: did you see where vagrantc mentioned mkdst
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| 12:42 | <johnny> sure
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| 12:42 | <dberkholz> that's where the magic happens
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| 12:43 | <johnny> so.. if i was doing a bzr live ebuild, how would that work?
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| 12:43 | ldm atm doesn't require mkdst.. it just works
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| 12:46 | <dberkholz> you would use mkdst if you need a changelog, otherwise don't
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| 12:49 | <johnny> i don't need one, but ./autogen.sh does
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| 12:49 | it generates an exit status >0
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| 12:49 | so BZR_BOOTSTRAP fails
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| 12:50 | and i don't think autogen.sh should hard require that file
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| 12:50 | but i can't figure out how it's doing it
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| 12:52 | in automake --help it has a section called "Files which are automatically distributed, if found:"
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| 12:52 | and ChangeLog is mentioned in there
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| 12:53 | oh.. maybe -a is doing it..
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| 13:03 | <dberkholz> johnny: why do you feel like you have to run autogen.sh?
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| 13:04 | autoreconf -v --install
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| 13:04 | (or inherit autotools and run eautoreconf in an ebuild environment)
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| 13:04 | <johnny> as i said.. my autofoo is weak.. i just thought that was the proper method
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| 13:04 | i've only done ebuilds for scripts
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| 13:05 | i thought eautoreconf was like really slow :)
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| 13:05 | <dberkholz> it's not any slower than autogen.sh, because it does the same stuff
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| 13:06 | <johnny> that errors out the same
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| 13:07 | <MattOv> Hey all
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| 13:08 | <dberkholz> ok, run the one by hand then. probably eautoreconf doesn't do --install
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| 13:08 | <MattOv> Gadi - are you about at all. I have a nice new problem now I have gone back to 64bit ;)
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| 13:09 | <johnny> dberkholz, i was talkng about the one by hand :)
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| 13:09 | i ran that in the bzr checkout
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| 13:10 | there's something hard requiring the file, but i don't know what it is
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| 13:10 | grepping shows nothing .. so how is that requiring it???
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| 13:11 | <MattOv> Can anyone help me with an issue where my thin client just hangs just after it says 'Negotiation: ..size=143508KN'
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| 13:11 | <dberkholz> johnny: eh, gnu tools require a changelog file. i was hoping --install would touch an empty one
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| 13:12 | johnny: if you touch ChangeLog, it'll work around that
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| 13:12 | <johnny> me too :)
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| 13:12 | yes.. i did work around that
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| 13:12 | i thought the add missing option would put it in there
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| 13:13 | i naively hoped that EBZR_BOOTSTRAP="touch ChangeLog && ./autogen.sh" would work
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| 13:13 | EBZR_BOOTSTRAP="autogen.sh works..
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| 13:13 | but it does eval..
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| 13:20 | <johnny> i'm gonna get ready and talk to the leasing manager, and also deposit some money in the bank
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| 13:20 | bbiab
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| 13:29 | <MattOv> Could it be something to do with nbd-server (I am really clutching at straws!)
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> MattOv: I am in and out
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| 13:30 | whats up?
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| 13:30 | <MattOv> ah hi - sorry
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| 13:30 | I went back to ubunutu 8.04 and now it's dead again
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> ah, 8.04
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| 13:31 | <MattOv> just hangs at Negotiation: ..size=143508KB
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> more like 8.04 alpha
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| 13:31 | :)
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| 13:31 | <MattOv> yeah it seems that way
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> ogra_cmpc can help you more on that end
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| 13:31 | I have not played with the packages there
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| 13:32 | hmm...
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| 13:32 | * Gadi wonders what point Negotiation is... | |
| 13:32 | <MattOv> cool... cheers fr all the help. It seems it is hard to get all the individual components to work
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| 13:32 | I was just reading about nbd-server but it all means very little to me really
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> is that nbd-client?
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| 13:33 | ah
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| 13:33 | sounds like nbd
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| 13:33 | which sounds like it found the file
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| 13:34 | you built the chroot with --arch=i386
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| 13:34 | <MattOv> yeah it def found the file now - I edited the dhcp.conf
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| 13:34 | yeah indeed
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> edit: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> and remove the words: "quiet splash"
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| 13:34 | then, reboot
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| 13:35 | <cliebow> is nbdserver compiled for 64 bit?
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| 13:36 | seems it must be
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| 13:39 | any good rreason not to edit sudoers with vi?
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| 13:39 | <MattOv> sorry back - keyboard went crazy !
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| 13:40 | it hangs at: Begin: Running /scripts/nfs-bottom ...
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| 13:40 | Running /scripts/init-bottom
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| 13:41 | <MattOv> (I am not sure what nbdserevr is complied for)
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| 13:48 | <sonjag> Hey Gadi... can you tell me how to restrict the use of Wanda the Fish? My students are using it to run vncviewer and causing mischief ;)
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| 13:51 | <cliebow> dont suppose fish in pessulus can be disabled?
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| 13:52 | <sonjag> cliebow, is pessulus in 7.04 or is that an add on? I don't see it in system->admin
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> i think i installed with aptget
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| 13:53 | <sonjag> cliebow, what's lockdown editor? I see that I can check off fish but I don't know what checking it off does?
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| 13:53 | <cliebow> heh..i am not sure..i cant ebven find the fish
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> uhm, does wanda the fish have an executable name?
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| 13:54 | (go to properties)
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| 13:54 | <cliebow> isee fish_applet
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> if so: chmod a-x <executable_name>
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| 13:55 | <johnny> i'd really like to get pessulus up to speed
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| 13:55 | but i need a helper :)
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| 13:55 | i'll get back to that after i get my ltsp integration finished
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| 13:56 | <MattOv> Has anyone ever got LTSP going with ubuntu 8.04 with an AMD64 server and i386 clients?
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| 13:56 | I am beginning to think it is not possible ;)
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| 13:58 | <johnny> why are you using 8.04/
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| 13:58 | i have it working in 7.10 just fine
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| 13:58 | minus flash
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| 13:58 | <MattOv> well I am just doing a new install and would rather do it in 8.04 rather than have to upgrade it all later
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| 13:59 | <johnny> well i haven't upgraded my gutsy yet, since hardy hasn't been released
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| 14:00 | i do have hardy working with i386 on both sides
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| 14:00 | so.. i don't see the diff
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| 14:01 | <MattOv> My old server with is i386 works fine - it is just this new server which is 64bit doesn't
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| 14:01 | <cliebow> MattOv, loks to me like init-bottom has one script..unionfs_cow
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| 14:01 | any reason why unionfs would bork in amd64?
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| 14:02 | <MattOv> I can't even find the init-bottom thing
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| 14:03 | <johnny> did you try the new server with i386?
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| 14:03 | otherwise you're testing two different things?
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| 14:04 | <MattOv> I tried this box with 7.10 and i386 and after some tweaking with Gadi that worked
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| 14:04 | I have tried this box 8.04 i386 before but it didn't work and now back to AMD64 :)
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| 14:05 | <johnny> so.. the problem has nothing to do with64 bit then
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| 14:07 | <MattOv> I don't know where the exact problem lays - my skills are lacking too much to determine the exact location of the problem (or rough location!). I have followed all the howtos about setting it up but all my clients hang
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| 14:07 | <MattOv> (I am using a laptop and a spare desktop to test on the thin client side)
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| 14:08 | <cliebow> MacIver, i think you'll have to see ogra..he is on German time..
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| 14:08 | whoops
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| 14:09 | Mat
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| 14:09 | yikes
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| 14:09 | <MattOv> ok cool - he seems to be the man in the know :)
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| 14:09 | <cliebow> he wrote most of it
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| 14:09 | <MattOv> unlike me - who is the dunce.
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| 14:09 | <cliebow> with help from his firends
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| 14:10 | <MattOv> well yes you are all obviously rather excellent ;)
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| 14:10 | * cliebow cliebow preens cluelessly | |
| 14:10 | <MattOv> I have now got to the point where I just need to solve this to stop me going mad - I mean how hard can it be (or alternatively how thick must I be!)
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| 14:11 | man vs machine and machine winning about 20 nil
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| 14:11 | ;)
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| 14:11 | <cliebow> 20000 nil
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| 14:11 | <MattOv> :)
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| 14:13 | <cliebow> i only got ltsp-trunk today..so your questions were great stimulus
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| 14:14 | <MattOv> :) Glad to be of some help!!!!
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| 14:15 | I am sure answering my questions helps you to re-enforce the basics ;)
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| 14:16 | <cliebow> ther is something Googly in unionfs/hardy..waiting for lonk to open
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| 14:16 | <warren> lonk?
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| 14:17 | <cliebow> wink..link schmink..8~)
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| 14:28 | <MattOv> yay - got it going
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| 14:29 | found a post from mr Oli :)
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| 14:30 | Solved the problem - it was a color depth thing
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| 14:49 | <sonjag> cliebow, looks like lockdown editor is not an admin tool but just for an indiv to lock down their acct. Bummer. I guess I need to look at Pessulus/Sabayon and see if I can make that work. Any idea if it will work if you're using AD for authentication?
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| 15:04 | <jimcooncat_> I'd like to know what happens on a small ltsp setup with a long term power outage. When all the systems come back up, do light clients hang because the DHCP server isn't ready yet? How do you deal with this?
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| 15:07 | <dberkholz> easy way might be to put the server on a different power switch that you could power up a few minutes earlier
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| 15:07 | <warren> jimcooncat_, most clients repeatedly retry DHCP until it works.
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| 15:08 | <jimcooncat_> thanks, my short tests made me think that they just hung, but I need to more fully investigate when I get a chance.
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| 15:08 | <dberkholz> eh, i guess my comment might apply more to a downed nfs server
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| 15:08 | i have a horrible memory
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| 15:08 | <jimcooncat_> dberkholz: it's still a good suggestion.
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| 15:09 | <cliebow> sonjag: i wouldnt think authentication would matter...
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| 15:13 | <antocm> Hello. Does anyone knows about suspending a session in one LTSP terminal, and opening the same session again from another terminal?
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| 15:13 | Something like http://wwwu.edu.uni-klu.ac.at/mkropfbe/xray.html
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| 15:15 | <johnny> nothing is integrated into ltsp to do that atm afaik
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| 15:16 | it would be a good addition
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| 15:17 | <dberkholz> you could use gnome's session saving
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| 15:17 | <antocm> I think the same. We should draw LTSP people attention to something like this.
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| 15:17 | <johnny> antocm, they have enough to do already
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| 15:17 | <jimcooncat_> antocm: I do that with vnc
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| 15:17 | <johnny> we need somebody to implement it :)
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| 15:18 | dberkholz, that only reopens programs to where they were
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| 15:18 | i think he wants something like screen, but for X
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| 15:18 | <antocm> vnc is not the same. Gnome is also not the same. Handling X protocol directly is the way.
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| 15:18 | <dberkholz> johnny: that's generally what i think of when i think of session suspending
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| 15:18 | <johnny> gnome session saving doesn't do that
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| 15:18 | afaik
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| 15:18 | <dberkholz> being where you were
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| 15:18 | <warren> jimcooncat_, due to power spiking dangers you will want things to not turn on after a power outage automatically anyway.
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| 15:18 | you don't want EVERYTHING to turn on at once
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| 15:18 | most computers use a lot more power at bootup than during normal operation which is variable
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| 15:19 | <jimcooncat_> freenx is supposed to do that, but I've never been able to get it to restore after suspending
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| 15:20 | <jimcooncat_> warren: I think you're quite right, I'll probably want to set the client's BIOS to stay off after a power out
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| 15:22 | <jimcooncat_> antocm: there's also xmove, which I haven't tried yet
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| 15:22 | <antocm> jimcooncat_, I will analyze your suggestions. Thanks.
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| 15:23 | <jimcooncat_> antocm: yw. Wish you luck, I'd like to find out myself how to do this "right".
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| 15:24 | <antocm> johnny: Wouldn't it be very nice, to see an implementation under LTSP with any tool that could provide session roaming?
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| 15:24 | <johnny> it would be nice to have it for anything, not just for ltsp
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| 15:25 | <dberkholz> someone worked on Xscreen a couple years ago for summer of code
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| 15:25 | feel free to pick it up =)
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| 15:25 | <johnny> did it go very far? i only saw the spec, and i couldnt find any implementation
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| 15:26 | <antocm> So, options you know can be x-ray, freenx and Xscreen right?
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| 15:26 | <dberkholz> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/023169.html
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| 15:36 | <antocm> dberkholz: i don't see anything other than specs. Do you know of something else?
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| 15:37 | <dberkholz> did you read that email?
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| 15:37 | specifically, paragraph 2
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| 15:38 | <antocm> OK, i see. I read http://code.google.com/soc/2006/xorg/appinfo.html?csaid=73A89F18E7770493
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| 15:40 | <dberkholz> i have no idea what the status of that code is, however
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| 15:40 | <dberkholz> i just asked the author, to see if he wrote anything
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| 15:46 | <johnny> hmm.. gentoo-sources doesn't include fuse by default :(
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| 16:01 | <antocm> dberkholz: If he say something, would you keep me in the loop?
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| 16:04 | <dberkholz> johnny: emerge fuse ...
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| 16:04 | antocm: sure.
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| 16:05 | <warren> dberkholz, what means do you use to ensure that users have access to fuse?
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| 16:05 | dberkholz, fuse group? setuid binary?
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| 16:05 | <johnny> we don't use a fuse group in gentoo by default :(
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| 16:05 | <dberkholz> warren: this is kind of experimental, i haven't done much with fuse before, only used kernel unionfs
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| 16:05 | <johnny> dberkholz, fuse is needed for ltspfs
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| 16:06 | which is needed whether we use unionfs or not
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| 16:06 | <dberkholz> -rws--x--x 1 root root 26576 2008-03-16 22:42 /usr/bin/fusermount
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| 16:07 | <dberkholz> we also allow nonroot users to specify allow_other or allow_root mount options through fuse.conf 'user_allow_other'
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| 16:07 | oh, fuse is in 2.6.25? didn't realize that. cool
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| 16:08 | <johnny> fuse was in earlier i thought?
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| 16:08 | <dberkholz> not according to our fuse ebuild, it checks for >= .25
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| 16:08 | <warren> fuse was much earlier
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| 16:08 | <johnny> look at an earlier ebuild dberkholz :)
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| 16:08 | <warren> 2.6.14
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| 16:08 | <dberkholz> ah, i bet i know
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| 16:09 | the separate module just isn't compatible with .25
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| 16:09 | <johnny> but it's not installing under 2.6.24 either..
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| 16:09 | <dberkholz> the logic in there isn't really making sense to me.
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| 16:10 | <johnny> the x86 ebuild doesn't work in 2.6.24 at all
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| 16:10 | <dberkholz> well, the logic is, the warning messages aren't.
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| 16:10 | <johnny> with a check
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| 16:10 | <dberkholz> non-native english speaker, i guess
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| 16:10 | <johnny> the ~x86 ebuild tries to work under 2.6.24, but isn't for me :)
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| 16:12 | <dberkholz> it should be obvious at this point that i don't know jack about fuse
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| 16:14 | <dberkholz> and the ebuild's using an extremely poorly documented feature of CONFIG_CHECK. trying to figure out what it does
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| 16:16 | did the name or install location of the fuse kernel module change at some point?
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| 16:24 | <warren> does it work for the root user?
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| 16:25 | dberkholz, which fuse filesystem are you trying to test with?
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| 16:25 | dberkholz, something more normal like sshfs or encfs might be a better test to see if it is working at all.
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| 16:46 | <dberkholz> warren: there's a pretty neat one that does ftp sites
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| 16:46 | <warren> dberkholz, what is it called?
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| 16:46 | * warren wants one that can do http sites | |
| 16:46 | <dberkholz> curlftpfs
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| 16:46 | <warren> oh!!!
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| 16:46 | curl
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| 16:46 | that has potential to do http as well
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| 16:58 | <johnny> dberkholz, i think we're going to need to provde our own custom kernel with patches at this rate :(
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> whoah.
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| 16:59 | <dberkholz> johnny: could you provide a little more detail, please? i'm not following you.
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| 17:00 | wb vagrantc
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| 17:00 | * vagrantc is getting a good share of cheese and wine in spain | |
| 17:01 | <dberkholz> lucky man
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> estoy baracho
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| 17:05 | <johnny> dberkholz, since gentoo-sources doesn't include aufs/unionfs and fuse isn't compiled in by default
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| 17:05 | <dberkholz> johnny: who cares about default? and aufs is available as a separate package
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| 17:05 | johnny: we can certainly provide a custom kernel config to genkernel
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| 17:06 | <johnny> now if only genkernel would freakin let me cross compile the utils :(
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| 17:07 | <johnny> vagrantc, have you seen this patch? for initramfs-tools conf? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/190016
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| 17:08 | with aufs support
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> no, haven't
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| 17:11 | * vagrantc would like to re-write the initramfs-tools stuff almost from scratch | |
| 17:14 | <johnny> so.. i have working ebuilds for ldm/ltspfs/ltsp-server/ltsp-client
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| 17:14 | oh.. not ltsp-server yet.. oops
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| 17:14 | only thing ltsp-client needs is working init scripts
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| 17:15 | i've been working on that
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| 17:18 | <dberkholz> johnny: excellent
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| 17:19 | <johnny> ok.. i'm going back to fighting genkernel again
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| 17:19 | genkernel is the evil
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| 17:19 | i did find an initramfs-tools ebuild
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| 17:19 | but only in the forums oddly enough
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| 17:20 | * johnny wonders why genkernel does it's own initramfs thing instead of using initramfs-tools | |
| 17:20 | <vagrantc> if you can get initramfs-tools on gentoo, that will be a whole lot more code we can share.
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| 17:20 | presumably.
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| 17:21 | although not using the typical gentoo conventions probably has it's own costs.
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| 17:21 | <johnny> sure, but genkernel is not very maintained atm, and won't be revamped until after 2008.1
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| 17:21 | err 2008.0
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| 17:22 | err. that's unfair
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| 17:22 | it is maintained, but only really for issues that concern the 2008.0 release
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| 17:23 | <dberkholz> it's maintained, they just aren't adding new features they have no need for. i have no doubt that they will take patches
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| 17:23 | initramfs-tools probably didn't do some kind of fancy bootsplash they wanted
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> there's debian packages for fancy bootsplashery
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| 17:25 | <johnny> it'd be nice to have it crosscompile, so i can run it outside of the chroot tho :(
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> it's very pluggable.
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| 17:25 | <johnny> i'll get back to that later i guess
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| 17:26 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: one of our devs wrote his own splash stuff, kinda doubt it made it to debian
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| 17:26 | <johnny> now we have that v86d thing..
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| 17:26 | <dberkholz> yeah, that'll make it upstream at some point
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: well, i'm not saying that gentoo's stuff is in debian, but that sort of thing is possible with initramfs-tools
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| 17:26 | dberkholz: and that initramfs-tools is modular enough that it might be easy to add.
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| 17:27 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: maybe so. then we'd have to push for an overall move to initramfs-tools (to do this properly), and i'm not sure of the size of that commitment
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: right, that's the sort of thing i mean by the costs of not using typical gentoo conventions
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| 17:28 | <dberkholz> basically we'd have to rip out the current initramfs code in genkernel and replace it with initramfs-tools
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| 17:28 | should be doable, not familiar enough to estimate the time
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| 17:29 | <johnny> it shouldnt' be that big of a deal, the genkernel initramfs stuff isn't that much code
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| 17:29 | <dberkholz> in general, i always like the idea of using other people's code
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| 17:29 | <johnny> at least in genkernel3
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| 17:29 | maybe i should bug genkernel4 peeps to use initramfs..
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| 17:30 | <dberkholz> gk3 is all we care about till gk4 (which needs a rename, anyway, it's a total rewrite) makes a release
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| 17:30 | use initramfs-tools, you mean?
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| 17:30 | <johnny> yes
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| 17:30 | <dberkholz> pretty sure they already use initramfs =)
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| 17:30 | <johnny> vagrantc, how long are you going to be about?
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| 17:31 | i'm really thinking about getting food
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| 17:31 | tummy growling
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| 17:31 | <dberkholz> johnny: i'd love to start looking at your code at some point. when do you think you might be able to post your current work?
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| 17:31 | <johnny> which do you want to see?
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| 17:31 | <dberkholz> johnny: everything you've done
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| 17:31 | =)
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| 17:31 | <johnny> ok.. i'll put it up on my web
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| 17:32 | <dberkholz> johnny: can just post the bzr repo somewhere and i'll pull it ... for ltsp overlay, just push to the upstream place
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| 17:33 | <johnny> i want to show you before committing
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| 17:33 | <dberkholz> johnny: it might be nice to have a history of changes
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| 17:34 | <johnny> well i don't like committing my ebuilds when i've never done an offical one
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| 17:34 | i'd like to to show me where i screwed them up :)
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| 17:34 | you to show me*
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> johnny: i should really try and get some sleep. some debian developers fed me spanish cheese and got me drunk.
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| 17:36 | <johnny> well get the hell out of here then
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| 17:36 | lol
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| 17:36 | get some sleep
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 17:38 | <johnny> dberkholz, see how i'm doing here please :)
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| 17:38 | http://pastebin.ca/965332
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| 17:41 | <johnny> the dodoc for the example dir is fine, but not for NEWS and README
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| 17:41 | <dberkholz> why not?
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| 17:41 | <johnny> dberkholz, i've never done an ebuild that was going to be used by somebody other than me or a close friend
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| 17:42 | <dberkholz> you can delete the src_compile, it's the default behavior
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| 17:42 | you aren't using any EAPI=1 behavior, get rid of that
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| 17:43 | the changelog touch could use comments, and i suspect glib also belongs in RDEPEND
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| 17:43 | <johnny> it is?
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| 17:43 | seemed like a build dep to me
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| 17:43 | <dberkholz> try to avoid mixing the nonstandard BZR variables in with the standard ones, put them above to me
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| 17:43 | glib is a library, chances are good that it gets linked to
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| 17:44 | <johnny> hm.. i always get confused there..
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| 17:44 | ok. i'll give that a shot
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| 17:44 | <dberkholz> basically DEPEND=glib, RDEPEND=$DEPEND fuse
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| 17:44 | <johnny> oh.. also belongs..
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| 17:45 | i missed also :)
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| 17:45 | <dberkholz> if libfuse or fuse headers aren't used at all during the build
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| 17:45 | <johnny> ok.. so did you want me to add the kinda hackery i've seen to make one ebuild work for releases and vcs?
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| 17:46 | like if version equals 9999 do this.. else do this?
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| 17:46 | <dberkholz> sure, if you're planning to use the same ebuild for both
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| 17:46 | <johnny> is that proper behaviour ?
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| 17:46 | aren't we?
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| 17:46 | at least for now?
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| 17:46 | <dberkholz> you tell me =)
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| 17:46 | <johnny> ok.. we are then :)
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| 17:47 | ok.. food time.. then i'll fix up this ebuild
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| 17:47 | and then show you the ltsp-build-client stuff
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| 17:49 | <dberkholz> johnny: might be a bit later, i'm still at work
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| 17:50 | <johnny> that's cool
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| 17:50 | you and your fancy west coast
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| 18:43 | <lns> Where could I go to start troubleshooting thin clients hard-locking?
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| 18:43 | I'm getting reports at one of my sites where students' thin-clients are locking up completely during work (usually in Firefox).. I have XRAMPERC set to 75
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| 19:59 | <monteslu> warren, does redhat still have a directory server distro type thing
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| 20:00 | <monteslu> i remeber hearing about it 3 or so years ago
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| 20:00 | <warren> monteslu, yeah, we bought out Netscape Directory Server and open sourced the entire thing.
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| 20:00 | <monteslu> i think smbldap+ltsp+load balancing needs to get easier
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| 20:00 | <warren> monteslu, I don't think they have all the pieces packaged yet, it is a monumental task
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| 20:00 | <warren> you can install the entire thing from a single RPM from the project site
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| 20:01 | monteslu, http://directory.fedoraproject.org/
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| 20:01 | <monteslu> i guess we just need a best practice doc on setting up a school with more than one ltsp server
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| 20:01 | <warren> monteslu, I have no experience at all with it
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| 20:02 | <monteslu> i've just been using the smbldap installer
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| 20:02 | <warren> looks like many people are in #fedora-ds though.
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| 20:02 | <monteslu> my only load balancing has been throught lts.conf
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| 20:02 | and its just splitting up the workstations
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| 20:08 | <warren> monteslu, I know nothing about directory servers in general
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| 20:17 | <monteslu> i know just enough to know its a lot of work to get all the right pieces together
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| 20:18 | dtrask's and moquist's scritps help quite a bit though
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| 20:20 | <warren> monteslu, former K12LTSP user?
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| 20:20 | <monteslu> yeah several years
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| 20:20 | <warren> monteslu, maybe you could contribute to Fedora by getting dtrask and moquist's scripts into an official RPM package
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| 20:21 | <monteslu> cool. we need to have a path to keeping those up to date
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| 20:22 | <warren> do they check it into a source repository to keep track of version numbers and changes?
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| 20:22 | <monteslu> not sure what their currnet process is, i've only ever been an end user of their stuff
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| 20:23 | looks like the last build was for fc5
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| 20:24 | i think it would just need to be a meta package with an extra rpm of the setup script
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| 20:24 | <warren> why not the RPM with shell script Requires all the server bits?
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| 20:25 | <monteslu> well, the current script also supports ubuntu
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| 20:25 | <warren> monteslu, the thing about RPMS in Fedora is you craft the RPM to work on Fedora
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| 20:26 | I don't know exactly how the scripts work
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| 20:26 | so this might be premature
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| 20:27 | <monteslu> it checks the system for fedora/ubuntu, then pulls down the additional rpms/debs, installs them, then does some setup of openldap and samba
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| 20:27 | <warren> ok, then part of that can be cut out
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| 20:28 | the RPM can satisfy the dependencies, and the script simply does the last part of what you described.
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| 20:28 | <monteslu> yeah, pulling down of the missing rpms could just be done witha meta package right?
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| 20:28 | <warren> foopackage Requires package1, package2, package3, package4, ...
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| 20:28 | foopackage contains script to setup openldap and samba
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| 20:28 | no metapackage needed
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| 20:28 | <monteslu> oh, right
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| 20:30 | and the setup script could be kept somewhat distro agnostic since the packaged dependcy would be handled through yum or apt
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| 20:32 | config file locations called by the script would be the main difference I imagine, since samba is samba and openldap is openldap
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| 20:32 | unless the fedora one used netscapse directory
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| 20:36 | <warren> well, we'll see
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| 20:36 | are you on k12linux-devel-list?
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| 20:36 | you could write up something there and get ideas from others
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| 20:37 | <monteslu> yup
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| 20:37 | well, wait. I'm on the k12osn list
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| 20:38 | the k12linux-devel list new?
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| 20:38 | <warren> yes
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| 20:39 | https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/ see details
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| 23:16 | <dberkholz> johnny: i'm around now, fwiw
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| 23:28 | <johnny> ok
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| 23:28 | i'm just cleaning up my ebuilds as i picked up a few more tricks
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| 23:29 | * johnny <3 eclasses | |
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| 23:43 | <dberkholz> johnny: install eclass-manpages
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| 23:47 | <johnny> ah!
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| 23:47 | good idea!
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| 23:47 | never noticed that
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| 23:48 | seems like that ebuild should be updated :)
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