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Channel log from 12 June 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
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| 00:28 | <vagrantc> heh. it was only a matter of time: https://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=ldm&arch=kfreebsd-amd64&ver=2:2.0.40-2
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| 00:28 | <Ryan52> shhhh! they haven't filed a bug report yet. :P
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| 00:29 | <vagrantc> i found this bug months and months ago
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| 00:29 | <Ryan52> oh :P
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| 00:29 | <vagrantc> interestingly enough, 2.0.6 worked fine.
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| 00:30 | if they file a bug about it, hopefully it'll come with patches that aren't evil.
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| 00:30 | <Ryan52> :)
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| 00:31 | <vagrantc> and ltspfs fails because there's no fuse port in debian yet..
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| 00:32 | and because ltsp on stable is restricted to i386, amd64 and powerpc, it seems like the buildd's don't even try for other architectures, even though the current package should allow them.
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| 02:42 | <alkisg> Hi, does anyone have an *unmodified* version of /etc/network/interfaces as it is after the installation of the Ubuntu 9.04 alternate CD, either with 1 or 2 NICs?
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| 02:42 | <ogra> *unmodified* has only lo
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| 02:43 | <alkisg> ogra: with 2 NICs it should also have eth1
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| 02:43 | And I think it also has "auto ethX" without any other information about the ethX interfaces..
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| 02:43 | (eth1 being the one with IP=192.168.0.254 - or is it eth0? don't remember...)
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| 02:44 | <ogra> totally dynamic
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| 02:45 | with an LTSP install you will have the NIC that doesnt have the default route at install time ...
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| 02:45 | so it depends what you picked in netcfg (which happens way before ltsp-client-builder)
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| 02:45 | <alkisg> So it can be either? OK. Still wondering if I remember correctly those "auto ethX" lines for nm managed interfaces, though...
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| 02:46 | <ogra> NM still wont touch interfaces that have an auto entry
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| 02:46 | <alkisg> It does: "auto eth0" with no other line about eth0 => managed by NM
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| 02:46 | <ogra> yeah, thats not configured properly
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| 02:46 | <alkisg> But if "iface eth0 inet dhcp" is declared, then NM does not manage it
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| 02:47 | <ogra> it doesnt parse the file it uses a tool
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| 02:47 | if the tool errors out because the iface isnt properly configured, NM indeed takes over
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| 02:47 | <alkisg> Ah. OK, thanks. I guess I remember wrong about those "auto ethx" lines.
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| 02:48 | (I thought they're there by default)
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| 02:48 | <ogra> nope
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| 03:32 | <stgraber> ogra: so, now, that'll be the next TB meeting ;)
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| 03:32 | ogra: thanks for attending
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| 03:33 | ogra: and supporting :) I'm kind of slow at this time in the morning.
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| 03:33 | <ogra> :)
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| 03:33 | yeah, get some sleep before getting up :)
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| 03:34 | <stgraber> that'll be short but still better than nothing (hope so) ;)
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| 03:34 | see you
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| 03:38 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "The default /etc/network/interfaces file with 2 NICs" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/380
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| 03:39 | <alkisg> ogra, I just did a reinstallation to verify it, it turns out I remembered correctly about the "auto eth0" line ^^^
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| 05:55 | <erieslabnx> quiet place in the AM hours.
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| 05:56 | <ogra> well, you just said something :)
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| 06:41 | <erieslabhu> italc is very cool :)
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| 06:41 | buggy, weak and unrefined, but some serious potential
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| 06:42 | <ogra> buggy ?
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| 06:42 | make sure to file bugs you find ;)
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| 06:42 | <erieslabhu> yeah some functions are not the greatest, but almost there
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| 06:42 | I will do that
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| 06:43 | I ordered all my cable and switches yesterday, should be delivered by 4 today :) very excited
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| 06:44 | have been just bringing the thin clients into my office and hooking them to the switch, will be nice to actually see them all functioning where they belong
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| 06:44 | <Appiah_> Anyone using pam_mount ? Can't make it create my homedirs on the NFS export
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| 06:44 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/OpenLDAP_NFS_SSL tried what it says on this page but I still get "no such file"
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| 06:44 | <erieslabhu> Sorry Appiah I am too new to know what that is yet.
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| 06:55 | The good news is I just saved a ton of money by switching to Geico.
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| 07:32 | <otavio> :-)
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| 08:20 | <bastubis> i've got Ubuntu 8.04 ltsp server running fine but can't figure out how to get a static ip for the internet connection working
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| 08:20 | have tried sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys after changing the ip
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| 08:20 | and sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 08:20 | but i lose internet connection
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| 08:20 | sudo ltsp-update-image i mean
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| 08:23 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:23 | bastubis: Do you have 2 nics in the machine? Or one?
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| 08:24 | <bastubis> 2
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| 08:25 | (morning!)
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| 08:25 | <sbalneav> So, you've got the terminals hanging off of one nic, and the internet connected to the other?
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| 08:26 | <bastubis> yes
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> Then chaning the internet nic shouldn't affect the ltsp terminals at all
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| 08:28 | can you paste you /etc/network/interfaces to the pastebot?
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| 08:28 | !pastebot
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| 08:28 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 08:31 | <bastubis> can't connect to the mahcine, would have to paste it via usb - basically, ifconfig shows no ip at all for the nic
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| 08:34 | ok it's done!
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| 08:34 | i added -a i386 to the image update and now it's working
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| 08:34 | sorry!
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| 08:34 | and thanks :)
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| 08:55 | <rjune_wrk> bastibus? that's hilarious
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| 09:49 | <jammcq> bom dia everyone
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| 09:49 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 10:24 | <coordinador> hi all
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| 10:25 | i have a problem related with sound, but im not sure what could be
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| 10:26 | i havent sound in terminals, but if i do cat /someting > /dev/dsp i have sound
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| 10:26 | *echo
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| 10:26 | *cat -> echo
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| 10:26 | (i dont remember actually :P)
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| 10:26 | but this means that drivers are ok
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> the server makes sound, or the thin clients make sound?
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| 10:27 | <coordinador> the clients
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| 10:27 | the server doesnt have soundcard
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| 10:27 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: just checking.
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> coordinador: logged into the thin client's console?
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| 10:28 | <coordinador> yes
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> is pulseaudio running?
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| 10:28 | <coordinador> and if i do ps |grep esd i got the service running
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> pgrep -l -f pulseaudio
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| 10:28 | <coordinador> in console or in xterm?
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> console
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| 10:29 | also:
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| 10:29 | <coordinador> "pgrep" is "ps | grep" ?
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 10:29 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> coordinador: pgrep is a command.
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| 10:29 | <coordinador> i havent this command
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| 10:29 | my distro is ubuntu 9.04 and i have ltsp 4.2
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> how odd.
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| 10:30 | ah! ltsp 4.2
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| 10:30 | <coordinador> works flawleslly i have to say
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| 10:30 | * vagrantc hides | |
| 10:30 | <coordinador> it recognizes everything
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> yes, works flawlessly, *except*
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| 10:30 | <coordinador> oh
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> for all the things that are broken
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| 10:30 | <rjune_wrk> vagrantc: :-P
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| 10:31 | <coordinador> yes but in older distros like a year ago, i had to deal with more things than now
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| 10:31 | haha
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| 10:31 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: ok, you have esd running, that's good. do you have esdctl on your server?
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| 10:31 | <coordinador> yes i have it
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| 10:32 | <rjune_wrk> if you do esdctl allinfo, what do you see?
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| 10:32 | <coordinador> server version = 0
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| 10:32 | server format = 0x00000021
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| 10:32 | server rate = 44100
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| 10:34 | <rjune_wrk> ok, do set | grep -i esd
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| 10:34 | <coordinador> i got nothing
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| 10:34 | in xterm right?
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| 10:35 | <rjune_wrk> yes
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| 10:35 | <coordinador> got nothing
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| 10:35 | <rjune_wrk> vagrantc: how does pulse figure out it needs to talk to another machine, ESDSERVER used to be the env var to use
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| 10:35 | <vagrantc> rjune_wrk: PULSE_SERVER
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| 10:36 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: if you do set|grep -i pulse, do you see anything?
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| 10:36 | <coordinador> nothing
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| 10:36 | oh
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| 10:36 | sorry ... now with pulse, let's see
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| 10:36 | oh, i get nothing
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| 10:37 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: ok, that shouldn't be too bad
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| 10:37 | what's the IP address of your terminal?
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| 10:37 | <coordinador> 192.168.0.102
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| 10:37 | <rjune_wrk> export PULSE_SERVER="192.168.0.102"
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| 10:37 | <coordinador> in xterm right?
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| 10:37 | <rjune_wrk> yes
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| 10:38 | vagrantc: how to restart pulse? is it just killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio ?
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| 10:38 | <coordinador> done
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc> rjune_wrk: no idea
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| 10:39 | but if it's LTSP 4.2, it's not going to be using pulseaudio, is it?
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| 10:39 | <rjune_wrk> pulse is compatible with esd
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| 10:40 | so in theory, he can use pulse on the server, and esd on the terminal
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| 10:40 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: ps aux|grep pulse
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| 10:40 | you need to kill your pulse audio and restart it.
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| 10:40 | at which point, I *think* you'll get sound.
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| 10:41 | <coordinador> i have a lot of processes related to pulse
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| 10:41 | ok, i'll try with killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio
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| 10:41 | <rjune_wrk> ok
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> rjune_wrk: yeah, but then you just use the ESD variables, i think
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| 10:42 | <rjune_wrk> Ahh.
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| 10:42 | <coordinador> i did it as root and i got: W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> which should be set up by default, i thought.
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| 10:42 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: you need to do it as the user you are logged in as
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> oh, right. ltsp 4.2.
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| 10:42 | <rjune_wrk> vagrantc: I used to have instructions for it.
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> why exactly is someone running ltsp 4.2 on one of the best supported ltsp 5 distros?
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| 10:43 | <coordinador> because old terminals
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| 10:43 | <rjune_wrk> vagrantc: becuase ltsp4.2 is the r0><0rs
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| 10:43 | s/the/teh
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> ah, old hardware. yes.
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| 10:44 | * vagrantc sighs | |
| 10:44 | <coordinador> ltsp 4.2 worked just fine in eboxII
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| 10:44 | ltsp5 is impossible to use
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| 10:44 | with this terms
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| 10:44 | terminals
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| 10:46 | <rjune_wrk> vagrantc: at least dinosaurs like me get to feel useful sometimes
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| 10:46 | <vagrantc> ebox, the scourge of ltsp5
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> Bad SiS driver.
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| 10:48 | The stupidity is, it's ALL in the enumeration of devices.
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| 10:48 | It's almost like someone put a sleep(2) in the kernel code for every pci access :)
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| 10:48 | <rjune_wrk> sbalneav: sounds like a guy I work with
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| 10:49 | put sleep 1 all over the place in init scripts.
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| 10:50 | <coordinador> ill se if i have sound
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| 10:50 | YEAH!
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| 10:50 | :D
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| 10:51 | awesome!
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| 10:51 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: congrats.
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| 10:51 | <coordinador> thanks a lot rjune_wrk and vagrantc
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| 10:51 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: our pleasure
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| 10:52 | <coordinador> :D wow, nice haha damn i was dealing with this a lot, thanks again
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| 10:52 | ill spread the knowledge
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| 10:54 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: it's just from having spent a while around.
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| 11:04 | <coordinador> i did esdplay some.wav in xterm and it worked fine, but when i try to play a sound with system->preferences ->sound, or when i try to play and mp3 it doesn't play, its the mp3 thing normal? and the sound manager thing is related with server and client connection?
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| 11:06 | <coordinador> wait pls
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| 11:08 | <Lns> Gadi_eeepc, I see you made it back to the island! =p
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| 11:26 | <coordinador> hi again
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| 11:27 | i can make mplayer plays an mp3 but then the sound doesnt works, even with esdplay some.wav
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| 11:27 | <Gadi_eeepc> Lns: indeed. Thanks again for last night
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| 11:28 | <sbalneav> coordinador: have you got whatever codecs loaded to allow for mp3's?
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| 11:28 | <Lns> Gadi_eeepc, of course, it was a blast!
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| 11:28 | <coordinador> yes, mp3 worked fine, but then i cannot play any sound, and i got from mplayer an error that says "could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound"
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| 11:29 | in xterm i do esdplay some.wav and i get no sound (before use mplayer i got sound)
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| 11:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> coordinador: perhaps pulseaudio crashed on the client
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| 11:30 | <coordinador> oh, ill check it with ps -aux |grep pulse
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| 11:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> make sure you do that in a localapps xterm
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| 11:31 | or on the client console
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| 11:31 | <coordinador> i have a lot of process pulseaudio in server, ill check in local console
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> pulseaudio isn't in ltsp 4.2
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| 11:31 | <coordinador> (just in case, in lts.org i have esd)
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| 11:32 | exactly vagrantc
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| 11:32 | <Gadi_eeepc> 42?
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| 11:32 | <coordinador> yes
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| 11:32 | <Gadi_eeepc> 4.2
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| 11:32 | ah
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| 11:32 | <coordinador> im using 4.2
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> so you're stuck with esd on the thin client, and pulseaudio on the server.
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| 11:32 | <Lns> =p
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| 11:32 | <coordinador> yes
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| 11:32 | hah :P
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| 11:33 | in client console i get everything fine "cat /proc/kcore..." and "ps |grep esd"
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| 11:33 | <Gadi_eeepc> you can switch to esd in mplayer's preferences
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| 11:34 | <coordinador> but when i do esdplay some.wav doesnt work
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| 11:34 | <Gadi_eeepc> echoo $ESPEAKER
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| 11:34 | *echo
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| 11:34 | <coordinador> in xterm o local console?
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| 11:34 | <Gadi_eeepc> xterm
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| 11:35 | <coordinador> oh, i get nothing
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| 11:35 | <Gadi_eeepc> try: ESPEAKER=<thinclientIP>:16001 esdplay some.wav
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| 11:35 | <coordinador> ok
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| 11:35 | export?
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| 11:35 | or just ESPEAKER...
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| 11:35 | ?
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| 11:36 | i did: ESPEAKER=192.168.0.111:16001 esdplay /usr/share/sounds/card_shuffle.wav
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| 11:36 | got nothing
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| 11:37 | then i did: "ESPEAKER=192.168.0.111:16001" and then "esdplay /usr/share/sounds/card_shuffle.wav" and i got nothing again
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| 11:38 | (this wav file worked fine)
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| 11:43 | <coordinador> when i selected pulse audio in "sound preferences" (system->preferences->sound" i get "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection rejected"
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| 11:44 | ill try to relogin in client
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| 11:44 | maybe it fixes magically
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| 11:45 | <coordinador> nope, doesnt work
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| 11:48 | Gadi_eeepc, i tried ESPEAKER=192.168.0.111:16001 esdplay /usr/share/sounds/card_shuffle.wav nothing happened
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| 11:48 | then i did: "ESPEAKER=192.168.0.111:16001" and then "esdplay /usr/share/sounds/card_shuffle.wav" and i got nothing again
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| 11:53 | help?
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| 12:03 | <coordinador> somebody?
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| 12:07 | Gadi_eeepc, i found the LTSP-esd-alsa in ltsp website, do you thing i should use just in case i have better results?
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| 12:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> coordinador: sorry - I am back and forth
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| 12:08 | LTSP-esd-alsa is not needed on 4.2
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| 12:08 | <coordinador> ok
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| 12:08 | oh isee
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| 12:08 | <Gadi_eeepc> it was used to make use of alsa drivers on 4.1 when OSS was used by default
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| 12:08 | <coordinador> when, i did the command you told me but nothing happened
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| 12:08 | oh ok
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/prod/200110.html?id=VoKfCWPL
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| 12:08 | "Sound is not supported under Ubuntu LTSP or LTSP 4.2 kernel 2.6.20-* "
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| 12:09 | <coordinador> humm ok
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> those are basically ebox machines
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| 12:09 | <coordinador> ok, thanks for the info
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| 12:10 | now, what i should try if i did: "ESPEAKER=192.168.0.111:16001" and then "esdplay /usr/share/sounds/card_shuffle.wav" and i got nothing ?
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| 12:37 | <sbalneav> coordinador: If you completely reboot the workstation, does it work again?
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| 12:37 | <coordinador> humm
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| 12:37 | ill see
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| 12:37 | rebooting...
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| 12:59 | <rjune_wrk> Gadi_eeepc: what's up with coordinator?
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| 13:06 | <Lns> rjune_wrk: he's got 4.2 and has sound issues
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| 13:07 | <rjune_wrk> Lns: I worked with him earlier
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| 13:07 | <Lns> rjune_wrk: ah
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| 13:08 | <rjune_wrk> when I left, it was working. that's why I'm asking
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| 13:10 | <Lns> rjune_wrk: no clue myself..i left too =p
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| 13:12 | <rjune_wrk> heh
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| 13:14 | * Lns scoffs at Gadi_eeepc for not drinking more than 2 beers last night - wah, he had to drive an hour and a half back to his hotel, wah... ;) hehe | |
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| 13:14 | <Lns> wb coordinador
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| 13:14 | <rjune_wrk> Lns: You should have been a gentleman and offered to get him a cab
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| 13:14 | <coordinador> after rebooting box
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| 13:14 | esdplay some.wav worked again :)
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| 13:15 | <Lns> rjune_wrk: I would have, but he'd have a problem getting to his car in the morning ;)
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| 13:15 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: check that mplayer is using esd or pulse as it's audio output.
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| 13:15 | preferably esd
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| 13:15 | <coordinador> ok
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| 13:17 | worked fine, after i push stop, and then play again
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| 13:17 | no more sound
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| 13:17 | <rjune_wrk> what audio output method is it using?
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| 13:20 | <Lns> sounds like it's locking the sound device..
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| 13:24 | <coordinador> yes, i think the same
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| 13:24 | audio output method?
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| 13:24 | it's esd
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| 13:25 | if it's that what you mean
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| 13:25 | pulseaudio in server -> esd in clients i think
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| 13:26 | <rjune_wrk> yup
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| 13:26 | I wanted to know what is mplayer doing
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| 13:26 | because it seems like it's doing something wrong
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| 13:27 | <coordinador> yes, .. may be, if there is a way to restart esd, may work?
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| 13:27 | or just use other player like xine
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> coordinador: I would suspect that esd is crashing on the client.
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| 13:30 | <coordinador> ill see what happen if i do ps |grep esd in local console
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| 13:30 | process is running
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> Doesn't mean it isn't latched up, though.
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| 13:35 | <Lns> Is there not an easy way to get pulse on the client in 4.2? that sure would seem to fix those issues, i'd think
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| 13:35 | <rjune_wrk> Lns: You could get the LBE and build it yourself, but no, not really
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| 13:35 | nobody's doing 4.2 anymore
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| 13:35 | <Lns> well, not NOBODY... ;)
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| 13:37 | <coordinador> GXINE did the trick :D
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| 13:39 | the only detail is that the program must to be able to configure the sound server to esd
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| 13:39 | :/
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| 13:39 | <Lns> coordinador: mplayer couldn't do that?
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| 13:43 | <coordinador> yes but locked the sound system i think
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| 13:46 | <coordinador> after play a song, sound didnt work, even esdplay some.wav dont work
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| 13:57 | <rjune_wrk> coordinador: somewhere in /etc is an mplayer.conf file
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| 13:57 | though if it's working with gxine, you're all good
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| 13:57 | * Lns has always liked xine | |
| 13:57 | <coordinador> i think it fixed, i installed gstreamer plugin for esd
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| 13:58 | <rjune_wrk> I use Ksomething, Don't remember what. I click on it and it plays, that's all I really care about
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| 13:58 | <coordinador> now esd appeared in system->preferences-sound
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| 13:58 | and when i test, it works :)
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| 13:58 | ill see if rhythmbox works now..
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| 13:58 | IT WORKS!
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| 13:58 | :D
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| 13:59 | even sound control works fine
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| 13:59 | awesome :) thanks all that helped me
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| 14:00 | <Lns> nice.
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| 14:01 | <coordinador> i think now ill uninstall mplayer
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| 14:01 | <Lns> yeah that gstreamer thing helps I guess. I remember having to install something like that a while back in Ubuntu Gutsy to get sound working when LTSP5 first came out
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| 14:11 | <coordinador> well, have to go now
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| 14:12 | thanks again, and thanks for the patience, my main language is spanish
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| 14:12 | bye
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| 14:20 | <Lns> Are scanners basically the same as other localdevs in LTSP? If it's supported by the distro, it'll work in LTSP as long as localdev is enabled?
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> Lns: no, scanners are a separate beast
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| 14:21 | <Lns> sbalneav: any particular scanners that work well? I'm in the market for one
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| 14:47 | <warren> CAN-o-SPAM: ping
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| 14:49 | CAN-o-SPAM: hmm, nevermind.
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| 14:49 | CAN-o-SPAM: it seems intel is screwing up
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| 14:49 | CAN-o-SPAM: they wrote a "fix" for the LVDS detect issue, only it is the same broken fix that they removed a few months ago
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| 19:46 | <achandra> Hi guys, got some linux thin clients up, and fired up k12linux on a server. I cant seem to "see" the mouse pointer on any of the thin clients and its "ghosted". Any ideas on how to fix this?
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| 20:09 | <achandra> anyone around that can help to get the ltsp 1420 running correctly with via chipset?
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| 20:09 | im on k12linux currently
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| 20:52 | <achandra> anyone around to help out with ltsp term 1420 mouse pinter missing issue?
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| 21:02 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 21:09 | <achandra> fixed the damn mouse issue - http://markmail.org/message/gbq6kqukgmoyhzrj#query:ltsp%20term%201420%20-%20pxe%20mouse+page:1+mid:hna5xtb2xlf2sqev+state:results
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| 21:09 | type in exactly like it says.
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| 21:09 | ;)
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| 21:31 | <achandra> hi guys been a while since i've installed additional packages on clients..how is this done in k12linux?
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