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Channel log from 11 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:23 | <tuukka> hi! i've created a file to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ which works as a login script. but any pointers where i should put corresponding logout script??
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| 02:26 | hups... and it should be run everytime someone logs out (it would unmount things that are mounted on login)
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| 03:51 | <tuukka> hmm ... does anyone have any idea what files are run when user logs out?? if it's pure logout, then I can't use runlevel-files, right??
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| 03:52 | <vagrantc> tuukka: there usually isn't much of a logout mechanism
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| 03:53 | tuukka: and if you did find a place to hook into, your scripts would have to handle an unclean logout
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| 03:55 | <tuukka> vagrantc: Thanks for your answer. so if i want mounted things to be unmounted on logout i have no proper place to do it manually?? i'd had to use ie. pam-mount, autofs..??
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| 03:55 | <vagrantc> tuukka: what are you trying to unmount, and from where?
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| 03:55 | tuukka: are you using LDM ?
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| 03:57 | <tuukka> vagrantc: i'm mounting win2003 user folders from win box usings cifs ... they're mounted on login to users home folder...
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| 03:57 | <vagrantc> tuukka: what are you logging in with?
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| 03:58 | <tuukka> with basic thin clients.... (sorry i propably understood your question wrong?!)
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| 03:59 | <vagrantc> tuukka: what linux distro are you using?
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| 03:59 | <tuukka> edubuntu
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| 03:59 | 7.10 gutsy
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| 03:59 | <vagrantc> got it
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| 03:59 | and you're using LDM ?
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| 03:59 | <tuukka> sorry, but LDM ?? (logical disc manager??)
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| 04:00 | <vagrantc> LTSP Display Manager
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| 04:00 | tuukka: did you change lts.conf ?
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| 04:00 | if you went with a default LTSP install, then you're using LDM.
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| 04:00 | <tuukka> vagrantc: no
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| 04:00 | yep, i went with default one
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| 04:01 | <vagrantc> and then things like pam-mount may not work so well
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| 04:01 | unless the mount commands don't require root privledges
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| 04:01 | <tuukka> hmm ... okay ... this is the last thing before our school having a first linux-lab, damn...
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| 04:01 | they don't require
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| 04:02 | <vagrantc> tuukka: it's a per-user cifs mount?
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| 04:02 | <tuukka> i can use umount-cifs which can be run without root privs
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| 04:02 | yep...
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| 04:04 | hmm ... if i create a desktop shortcut for each user which name would be something like "logout" ... then i would be able to unmount stuff and force logoff?! could this work?? (i know it's a lousy thing to do but i'm starting to be desperate about this)
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| 04:04 | <vagrantc> maybe
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| 04:04 | <tuukka> by desktop shortcut, i mean a shortcut to a bash script...
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| 04:04 | <vagrantc> you might be able to hook into gnome as well
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| 04:04 | that actually does have some login/logout mechanisms
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| 04:05 | <tuukka> okay, that sounds good! it wouldn't be that dangerous if one or two mounts are left open because they are checked again on next login ...
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| 04:06 | <vagrantc> mind you, i don't know how to use them, but they exist :)
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| 04:06 | <tuukka> thanks a lot ... i think i'll first look into gnome logout things and if that doesn't go anywhere i'll try to create a script that i assume users are going to use to logout :)
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| 04:09 | <ogra> vagrantc, what are you doing in my timezone ?
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| 04:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: ?
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| 04:09 | <ogra> (why are you up ?)
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| 04:09 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 04:09 | oh, just got in the habit of staying up late
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| 04:10 | <ogra> ah, i know how that goes :)
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| 04:15 | <ogra> thats fun :)
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| 04:15 | <vagrantc> really, i'd best be doing some experiential learning about dreaming
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| 04:19 | <ogra> ah, well
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| 04:19 | i did some nightshifts as well during holiday o build my new machine :)
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| 04:20 | actually two .... an apt-proxy machine and an ultrafast build server that's also my new ltsp testmachine :)
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| 04:20 | with this setup i can build a client in 10 min (including squashfs :) )
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| 04:21 | its really fun to do heaviy lifting work on a fast machine
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| 07:15 | <mattwalston> Is it possible to have local applications and remote applications share the same screen?
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| 07:18 | <sep> ssh -X user@remotemachine xeyes
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| 07:35 | <mattwalston> sep: thanks
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| 07:55 | <Big-K> hi guys, i always like getting held from you ;)
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| 07:56 | does a thin client read a xorg.conf in /opt/.../etc/X11/
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| 07:56 | sry I meant help :D
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| 08:00 | <sep> Big-K, dont think so, but there is a lts.conf option to specify a xorg conf file to use
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| 08:01 | Big-K, should be easy to try tho.
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| 08:01 | <Big-K> yeah
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| 08:02 | I'm a little bit confused by ltsps behaviour ...
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| 08:07 | <Big-K> could I post my xorg.conf somewhere?
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| 08:13 | <soneyka> Big-K http://rafb.net/paste/
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| 08:16 | <Big-K> http://rafb.net/p/Q5Ksh024.html
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| 08:16 | so please, what's wrong?
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| 08:24 | <LTSP07> i've setup ltsp 5 on edubuntu and have tried various video cards for the thin clients and even with correct and detailed setting within lts.conf I keep on getting 800x600 at best as the highest resolution, any ideas why? thanks
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| 08:25 | <Big-K> try putting X_MODE_0=1280x1024 in your lts.conf
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| 08:25 | or any other resolution
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| 08:26 | <LTSP07> i was testing with s220 and s3virge i don't think it can go that high but i did set it to 1024x768
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| 08:26 | even tried with all the other options for 60hz
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| 08:26 | same results
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| 08:27 | <slidesinger> LTSP07: Have you tried different monitors?
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| 08:27 | <LTSP07> it only responds to color depth settings such as 8, 16, 24
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| 08:27 | <ogra> Big-K, your x config is generated during boot if you dont fiddle with lts.conf, if you want vesa why dont you just set XSERVER=vesa
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| 08:27 | <Big-K> thx ogra
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| 08:27 | <LTSP07> slidesinger: yes
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| 08:27 | <Big-K> I got that entry
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| 08:27 | my problem is the following
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| 08:28 | everything is fine, login, resolution ...
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| 08:28 | <Big-K> but if i wanna restart the xserver or logout ...
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| 08:28 | screen remains black
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| 08:29 | <slidesinger> Have you tried a card and monitor combination that you have been able to get 1024x768 from a live linux cd (dsl, gnoppix, knoppix and, of course, edubuntu?)
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| 08:31 | <Big-K> does the thin client switch to the xorg.conf when restarting the xserver
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| 08:31 | ?
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| 08:31 | <slidesinger> LTSP07: Basically the steps are as follows: you need to completely eliminate the possibility that hardware is the problem then, if you still have a problem, work on the software side.
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| 08:34 | <ogra> Big-K, it uses the same one it used to ring up ldm the first time ....
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| 08:34 | that sounds liek a different issue, not config related
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| 08:34 | *like
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| 08:34 | <Big-K> hmmm ok thx
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| 08:36 | <ogra> can you start with a shell on tty2 and check if there are any errors in ldm.log or the X logfiles ?
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| 08:37 | <Big-K> SCREEN_02 = shell option in lts.conf, right?
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| 08:44 | <ogra> right
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| 08:45 | and SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 08:45 | (else you boot without any X, thats not what we want)
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| 08:45 | <Big-K> ah ok thx
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| 08:45 | thatswhy there are no logs?!
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| 08:46 | <ogra> well, if X doesnt start it wont log anything :)
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| 08:50 | <Big-K> it starts
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| 08:51 | <ogra> then you should have something in /var/log on the client
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| 08:51 | <Big-K> yeah ...
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| 08:51 | but don't see any errors
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| 08:51 | only an no acpi warning
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| 08:52 | problem is ...
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| 08:52 | if I don't login, restarting the xserver with ctrl+alt+backspace works fine
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| 08:52 | but if i login and try to restart it, it fails
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| 08:54 | <mattwalston> What is the best way to just use a custom x.org file? Can it load through config file or just put it in chrooted /etc/X11?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> mattwalston, both
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| 08:55 | <mattwalston> Why do kernel messages not start on first charecter it is almost like a bad terminal type or something? Any fix?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> you need to put it into the chroot (with newer implementations you also need to run ltsp-update-image) and make the system aware that the file is there through an lts.conf entry
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| 08:56 | * ogra works on ubuntu, we dont have kernel messages on the screen | |
| 09:00 | <mattwalston> ogra: I killed graphical boot so I don't get asked what the hell is ubuntu
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| 09:05 | <ogra> www.ubuntu.com ?
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| 09:06 | the OS where ltsp5 got developed under
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| 09:06 | <johnny> by his users ogra :)
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| 09:06 | <ogra> nah, not by me ... i must admit that i only took overthe design skeleton from mdz :)
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| 09:07 | much of the flesh is mine though :)
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| 09:07 | <johnny> he doesn't want his users asking what ubuntu is
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| 09:07 | <ogra> (probably a third of what was developed in the last two years)
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| 09:07 | <johnny> and bugging him about it :)
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| 09:12 | <mattwalston> More specifically, I see no reason why this pile of LT210 el cheapo terminals can'
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| 09:12 | ~'t do the job of these expensive HPs they are thinking of buying
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| 09:14 | we are not a school, this is not my basement, this is a 80 user deployment where none of the users are trained on using a linux desktop... we need baby steps
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> mattwalston: grab the company logo and roll your own boot splash
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| 09:15 | <mattwalston> Gadi: good idea, there is an easier answer
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| 09:22 | where is the example lts.conf?
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| 09:24 | <Big-K> find -name lts.conf
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| 09:30 | <mattwalston> I have having responsiveness issues,,, will disabling network compression and using LDM_DIRECTX help?
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> mattwalston: try disabling logging
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| 09:30 | wait - what kind of responsiveness?
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| 09:31 | u mean video ?
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| 09:31 | in that case, yes
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| 09:31 | <mattwalston> yes
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| 09:31 | video
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> set LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> world of difference
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| 09:31 | <mattwalston> Gadi: what about NETWORK_COMPRESSION? good bad or otherwise?
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> if you set LDM_DIRECTX it wont matter
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| 09:32 | one way or the other
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| 09:32 | <mattwalston> Gadi: oh ok
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> the video will no longer be over ssh
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| 09:32 | hence the "DIRECT X " part
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| 09:32 | <mattwalston> Gadi: is there a directive to disable logging in lts.conf?
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> if you disable the remote logging feature on the server's syslog, it will in effect disable it
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| 09:33 | <mattwalston> Gadi: oh ok
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> I only mentioned that bec I have had a few setups where logging made a huge delay in the initial ssh connection (delaying login)
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| 09:33 | <mattwalston> oh i see
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| 09:34 | i also notice the login takes a little longer on ldm than on local gdm, like about 3 seconds or so after typing password, it says verifying password
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> mattwalston: yeah, well it has to negotiate the ssh connection
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| 09:37 | <mattwalston> oh ok
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| 10:53 | <Ryudo> gadi :D
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| 10:53 | i'm back :D
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| 10:53 | dia you can help me ? about this workaround to fix my local devices bug
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> Ryudo: I am here - sorry about yesterday - can you paste that ldm again?
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| 10:56 | !pastebot
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| 10:56 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:57 | <Ryudo> es
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| 10:57 | yes
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| 10:57 | i need the woraround and the exactly line i put him in ldm script
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| 10:57 | before xsession
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| 10:58 | <comperr> is the source to that bot around- it looks cool ?
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| 10:58 | <ltsppbot> "test" pasted "test" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/410
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| 11:00 | <Ryudo> gadi ?
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> sorry
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| 11:00 | too many distractions
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| 11:00 | im here
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| 11:01 | pastebot is empty
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| 11:01 | did you paste the contents of the file?
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| 11:05 | <Ryudo> ok !
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| 11:05 | did you wcan wait ?
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| 11:06 | i need power on my server
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> Im around for another ~2hrs
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| 11:07 | <Ryudo> whats o clock in your city ?
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> im in USA/NYC
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| 11:12 | EST
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| 11:12 | its 12:12PM atm
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| 11:19 | <yemu> hi, i have a problem with thin clients, i have to identical monitors but one of them boots into 800x600 and other 1024x768?
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| 11:20 | is it possible to force resolution to clients?
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> X_MODE_0 = "1024x768"
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| 11:21 | CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 11:21 | <yemu> thx, i'll try that
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| 11:22 | and how to force x driver to intel?
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> XSERVER=intel
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| 11:26 | <yemu> Gadi: hm, it didn't help... :-(i still get 800x600, i also add X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 and it was applied do the config file is being read
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> open a terminal window and type: xrandr -q
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| 11:28 | do you have higher modes?
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| 11:29 | its a function of: 1. your driver, 2. your video memory, 3. your monitor
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| 11:29 | if you login to the thin client's console, you should be able to look a the logs and find out what is really happening
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| 11:30 | (ie /usr/log/Xorg.6.log
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| 11:30 | <yemu> i don't have higher modes listed by xrandr
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| 11:30 | on the other terminal on which higer resolution works they
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| 11:30 | re listed
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> are they different thin client models?
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| 11:31 | <yemu> yes they are - both compaq but one pIII and the other pII
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> which one is 800x600?
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| 11:32 | <yemu> pIII
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| 11:32 | but i have other pIII
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| 11:33 | and it works ok
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| 11:33 | it's really strange
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> and you are sure it is an intel video chip?
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| 11:33 | <yemu> actually i'm not
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> go into the BIOS and check how much video memory is allocated
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| 11:33 | <yemu> and probably it's not
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> oh, and then check the video chip driver :0
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| 11:33 | :)
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| 11:34 | find out what driver it has
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| 11:34 | then, we should be able to find a fix
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| 11:35 | <yemu> i got into the bios
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| 11:35 | but there's no option to change video ram ;-)
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> ok
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| 11:35 | could be its onboard
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| 11:35 | <yemu> so probably it onboard
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| 11:37 | <yemu> i have to leave for a moment to check the video card
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| 11:37 | i'll be back in a moment (i hope) ;-)
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| 11:45 | <LTSP07> Gadi: maybe you can help me figure out why all of PCs that I'm using via ltps 5 running on edubuntu default to 800x600, I've checked that xorg server for s3 / s3virge is installed and specified the ram amount (4MB) etc... even tried X_MODE_0 with the settings for 1024x768 @ 60hz
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| 11:46 | still boots to 800x600, at the same time works at correct resolutions with livecd
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| 11:47 | i've also tried auto and vesa for XSERVER still get 800x600
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> LTSP07: first, did you verify that the settings are taking effect - always good to be able to switch to a shell on the thin client and see what /etc/X11/xorg.conf got written
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| 11:53 | also, I assume you set: CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 11:53 | because, by default, it won't make/use a xorg.conf
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> otavio: how goes? :)
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| 11:56 | <LTSP07> Gadi: just want to make sure - configure_x is a param within lts.conf is that correct or xorg.conf?
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> lts.conf
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| 11:58 | <LTSP07> Gadi: I only tried making changes through lts.conf at this point by the way on edubuntu it's in a different location
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> on gutsy, it is in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 11:59 | <LTSP07> correct
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> ever since we went to exporting an *image* rather than a *filesystem*, we wanted a way to update lts.conf without having to reroll the image
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| 11:59 | <LTSP07> let me try your option CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> so, now we tftp it down on boot
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| 11:59 | hence the change in location
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| 11:59 | <LTSP07> sure makes sense
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| 12:00 | takes a while to reroll that image
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> sure can
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| 12:00 | :)
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| 12:00 | also, updating a config should be more common than updating an image
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| 12:00 | :)
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| 12:06 | <lns> Hey all
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| 12:08 | <otavio> vagrantc: fine! working...
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| 12:08 | <lns> I just got back from testing a new site with 35 eager elementary school students and Ubuntu Gutsy LTSP ;) Aside from the (normal) Firefox/OpenOffice clipart pixmap/crash issues (which I know are being worked on) and the tuxmath/tuxtyping just-plain-not-ready-for-ltsp thing, there was a strange crash that cropped up after the students left and I was just on Firefox googling around...here's what happened after the X session locked up completely and I CTRL+ALT+F1:
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> vagrantc: saw you email to the listserv - is your system on crack?
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, i've actually heard bug reports that suggest others are affected
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> vagrantc: ah
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| 12:09 | <lns> "nbd0: Attempted send on closed socket" (this shows about 15 times) - and then: "SQUASHFS error: sb_bread failed reading block 0x54d7 -- SQUASHFS error: Unable to read fragment cache block (152f -- SQUASHFS error: Unable to read page, block 152f944, size ..."
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> but a very weird bug
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| 12:10 | lns: did your squshfs image get corrupted?
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| 12:10 | <lns> Gadi, i really don't think so, i don't see how it could
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> lns: sure sounds like it
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| 12:11 | try an : ltsp-update-image
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| 12:11 | <lns> i was thinking more of a network hickup...could that have caused it too?
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> could be
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| 12:11 | <lns> i'll try that
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> could be the nbd server died
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| 12:12 | if ltsp-update-image doesnt cure it
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| 12:12 | <lns> rebuilding it now (remotely)
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> then, have a look at the running nbd-server processes
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| 12:12 | <lns> ok
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| 12:13 | thanks =) I was very impressed, actually, with the latest Flash RC - all 35 students were in a game called "MultiFlyer" (graphics intensive flash game) and it didn't experience much more than pegging out the server cpu
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> otavio: do you think you'll have time for the uploads today?
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| 12:14 | <lns> Gadi, I have about 30 lines of this:
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| 12:14 | nobody 7785 0.0 0.0 3428 968 ? S Jan10 0:00 /bin/nbd-server 0 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img -r -C /dev/null
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| 12:14 | nobody 7824 0.0 0.0 1756 500 ? Ss Jan10 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 12:15 | no one (should) be logged in or even booted up to a thin client
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> lns: ah, then, yeah thats an issue
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| 12:16 | if the thin clients are powered off, you should probably kill all of the nbd-server procs
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| 12:16 | <lns> is there a better fix for this than manually killing procs?
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> well, the qu is why is it happening
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| 12:17 | <lns> right
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> can you make sure you have the following line in /etc/hosts.allow:
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| 12:17 | nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
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| 12:17 | * Gadi thinks that line is needed for proper operation | |
| 12:17 | <Gadi> albeit the syntax is counter-intuitive
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| 12:18 | <lns> yep, that's there
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| 12:18 | nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 12:18 | managed switch?
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| 12:18 | <lns> definitely hypocritical syntax. ;)
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| 12:18 | yes
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| 12:18 | * sutula recalls struggling with nbd processes that didn't die and swapfiles left around, but that line fixed it for him | |
| 12:19 | <Gadi> perhaps its the switch...
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| 12:19 | hmm
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| 12:19 | damn switches get too smart
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| 12:19 | <lns> lol
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| 12:19 | <johnny> they think they are smarter than you
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| 12:19 | <lns> the server's an HP proliant ML370G5 w/gigabit NIC
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> nbdrootd (which wraps nbd-server) is called from inetd
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| 12:20 | <lns> 3COM switch modules
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> inetd services should die when no longer accessed
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| 12:20 | on the port
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| 12:20 | but, if the port is kept open....
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| 12:21 | <otavio> vagrantc: yes..
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| 12:21 | vagrantc: sure
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| 12:21 | vagrantc: why?
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| 12:21 | <lns> Gadi, what's (possibly) keeping it open on the switch?
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| 12:22 | * Gadi shrugs - some switches will kill idle connections after a while, some will never kill idle connections and keep them up | |
| 12:23 | <Gadi> the smarter the switch, the more it tries to interfere
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| 12:23 | :)
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| 12:23 | <lns> Gadi, well the machines themselves are booted up - into local windows 2000 installs now though
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:23 | <lns> oo, check this out when i try to restart nbd-server...
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> next time you are onsite, try rebooting the switch and see if it clears things up
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| 12:23 | <lns> ** (process:27272): WARNING **: Could not parse config file: Unknown error
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| 12:23 | ** Message: Nothing to do! Bye!
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> dont start nbd-server by hand
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| 12:24 | it runs from inetd
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> otavio: maybe i'm just impatient ? :)
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| 12:24 | <lns> ah..ok nm ;)
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> and doesnt use a config file
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| 12:24 | _hence the -C /dev/null)
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> otavio: you did get the upload emails?
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| 12:24 | <lns> rebooting the switch might be an issue since the school uses it all the time.. i might be able to do it after 3...
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> lns: ah, ok - just a test
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| 12:25 | to test the theory
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| 12:25 | hopefully its not the switch
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| 12:25 | <lns> gotcha
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| 12:25 | * Gadi wonders if nbd has a heartbeat of sorts - im sure it does | |
| 12:25 | <lns> yeah...i can't really think of any switch parms that would want to keep certain port connections alive
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| 12:26 | <johnny> aka.. keepalive..?
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| 12:26 | lol
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| 12:27 | <lns> =p but only for certain layer 3 (is it l3?) connections?
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| 12:30 | nothing looks out of the ordinary in logs...
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| 12:33 | <otavio> vagrantc: i did, will do then in few minutes
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> otavio: thanks :)
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| 12:43 | <lns> is there an lts.conf setting to enable numlock for the clients?
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> lns: no, but you could: apt-get install numlockx on the server and add a startup script to run: numlockx on
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| 12:59 | <gale1> kjb
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| 13:05 | <ltsp> gadi
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| 13:05 | i'm back
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| 13:06 | i have the ldm code here
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| 13:06 | i'm ryudo
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> ok
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| 13:12 | <ltsp> i paste here ?
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 13:12 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:14 | <ltsp> gadi: http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 13:18 | gadi: http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> ltsp: got it
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| 13:19 | well, lets see...
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| 13:19 | <cliebow> woot!!! remote install "just worked"
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> actually, you can probably do this without changing ldm
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| 13:20 | <ltsp> goood !
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> ltsp: try addind a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ on the server near the beginning, say: 01ltspfscleanup
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| 13:20 | and put in it just:
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| 13:20 | ltspfsmounter cleanup all || true
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| 13:21 | and see if that helps
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| 13:21 | it might need: /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 13:21 | (ie the full path)
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| 13:21 | <ltsp> i try it ,wait one minute
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| 13:22 | sudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.d/01ltspfscleanup
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| 13:23 | tspfsmounter cleanup all || true
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| 13:23 | i test it now :D ehehe
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> that should be: ltspfsmounter
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| 13:23 | 'l' not 't'
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| 13:23 | typos for sure wont work :)
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| 13:24 | <ltsp> oh ok
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| 13:24 | time to test :O
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| 13:27 | ltsp@ltsp:~$ sudo cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/01ltspfscleanup
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| 13:27 | ltspfsmounter cleanup all || true
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| 13:27 | wont work :(
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| 13:28 | i reboot one terminal in live session, after reboot floppy dont work more
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| 13:28 | gadi
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| 13:36 | <ltsp> gadi :(
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> sorry - ph call
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| 13:50 | <Ryudo> gadi dont work this workaround
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| 13:50 | :(
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> Ryudo: hmm...
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| 13:59 | <Ryudo> gadi i dont put the complete path
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| 13:59 | ltsp@ltsp:~$ sudo cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/01ltspfscleanup
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| 13:59 | ltspfsmounter cleanup all || true
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> try the full path
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| 14:00 | <Ryudo> the correct is /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter ?
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:00 | yeah
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| 14:00 | I think
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| 14:00 | type: which ltspfsmounter
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| 14:00 | <Ryudo> ok i try again
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| 14:00 | whereis ltspmounter ?
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> which ltspfsmounter
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| 14:03 | nm - it is: /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 14:04 | Ryudo: gotta go in a few mins
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> putting it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ might clean it out after the other mounts happen...
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 14:10 | i was hoping to catch it before delayed_mounter kicked in (this is feisty)
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| 14:10 | Ryudo: any chance you could upgrade to gutsy?
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> then, we can do this in a better way with ldm rc.d scripts
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> might be a good thing to do by default
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| 14:11 | on initial login
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| 14:11 | * Gadi nods | |
| 14:14 | <klausade> vagrantc: i just tried 5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0, it build just fine, and using boot=nfs it even boots up :-) Bot no X yet.
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> klausade: yeah, sometimes X doesn't work so well
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| 14:17 | klausade: i'll work on backports of the versions in sid this coming week
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| 14:18 | klausade: did you try the instructions for switching to xdebconfigurator for X configuration?
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> klausade: then it should work at least as good as the older versions as far as X configuration
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| 14:20 | <klausade> vagrantc: tried xdebconf, no luck (on first try)
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| 14:20 | <ltsp> gadi
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| 14:20 | wount work
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| 14:20 | i try use this comand in my server
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| 14:20 | look
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| 14:22 | <klausade> vagrantc: it's still "pkill ldm;pkill X;/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core start" after I manually edit xorg.conf on the client?
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> klausade: oh, i always just reboot
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| 14:23 | restarting is likely to cause other weirdnesses ...
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| 14:23 | restarting ltsp-client-core, that is
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| 14:24 | we should clean that up someday...
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| 14:33 | <Ryudo> vagrantc thats command /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter cleanup all || true return a erro look:
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| 14:33 | ltsp@ltsp:~$ sudo ltspfsmounter cleanup all || true
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| 14:33 | Traceback (most recent call last):
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| 14:33 | File "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter", line 85, in <module>
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| 14:33 | main()
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| 14:33 | File "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter", line 72, in main
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| 14:33 | conn = get_var('SSH_CONNECTION').split()[0]
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| 14:34 | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split'
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> Ryudo: are you logged in from the thin client?
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| 14:34 | no need to run it with sudo
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| 14:34 | actually
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| 14:34 | <klausade> vagrantc: rebooting when editing the xorg.conf on the client ....
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| 14:34 | <Ryudo> i put this command in this file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/01ltspfscleanup
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| 14:35 | i test it on my server
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| 14:35 | <klausade> vagrantc: /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core start works very well in 5.0.8debian3
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> klausade: well, i'd define custom X conf in X_CONF=/path/to/custom/xorg.conf in lts.conf
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| 14:36 | <Ryudo> i use the command in my server , testing
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| 14:44 | <LTSP07> Gadi: configure_x didnt make a difference, I'm still getting 800x600 as default resolution for all thin clients, if you have any other suggestions I would appreciate it, thanks
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| 19:10 | <lns> Do any devs here do 'sub-contracting' scripting/coding work for LTSP (fixing bugs with LTSP, Gnome, other related software) with implemented networks, feature requests)? If so, raise your hand or msg me
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| 19:14 | <iMacGyver> is there load balancing support in ldm?
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| 19:17 | <lns> iMacGyver, i think? Isn't there load balancing support in ltsp as a whole?
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| 21:31 | <warren> Hey, can anybody give me non-root ssh access to an Edubuntu 7.10 box?
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| 21:31 | I only want to see the location of scripts installed by LTSP5
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| 21:31 | and how they interact with other tools
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| 21:32 | I haven't been successful in installing it in kvm
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> warren: you can just look at the packages themselves ...
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| 21:34 | warren: what sort of things are you trying to understand?
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| 21:34 | <warren> vagrantc, first where exactly are the files installed
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| 21:35 | vagrantc, also how things interact
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| 21:35 | vagrantc, non-root ssh would really be helpful
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| 21:35 | vagrantc, and I don't really have a clue where to find packages
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| 21:35 | <vagrantc> warren: i don't have any edubuntu boxen or really any sshable boxen ...
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| 21:35 | <warren> I'll wait to see if someone else has one
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| 21:38 | <vagrantc> warren: you can have a look at the debian package contents here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/ltsp-client-core/filelist
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| 21:38 | <warren> vagrantc, and ltsp-server?
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| 21:38 | <vagrantc> s,ltsp-client-core,ltsp-server,
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| 21:39 | you'll also want to look at ltspfs, ltspfsd and ldm
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| 21:39 | that should be just about everything
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| 21:40 | it isn't a shell account, but you can at least see the layout
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| 21:40 | <warren> yeah, this helps
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| 21:40 | thanks
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> and ubuntu 7.10 is pretty similar to what's in debian sid
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| 21:40 | <warren> hmm
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| 21:40 | I have to change locations of a few things
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| 21:40 | <warren> /usr/lib/ltsp/ for example is problematic because we have two arch's that could sit side-by-side
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| 21:40 | /usr/share/ltsp should contain the arch-neutral scripts
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> agreed
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| 21:41 | * vagrantc tried to get that changed years ago | |
| 21:41 | <warren> well I'm going to have to add ugly hacks to detect the location
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| 21:42 | if our changes will be suitable for upstream
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> almost all of /usr/lib/ltsp could go into /usr/share/ltsp, i think.
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| 21:42 | <warren> for ltsp-client it appears all
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> actually, yes. every single script in there could easily be moved to /usr/share
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| 21:43 | <warren> I'm under time pressure here at FUDCon to get it working, so I'm not going to add upstream suitable stuff yet
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| 21:44 | especially since I couldn't successfully install an Edubuntu
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| 21:44 | to verify it
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| 21:44 | <vagrantc> well, if you have specific questions, i'd be happy to answer them. i know the overall layout pretty well.
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| 21:45 | <warren> hmm
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| 21:45 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/ltsp-server/filelist contains ldm and other stuff
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| 21:46 | <vagrantc> warren: ldminfod is the server-side component that ldm uses to get information like available session types, supported languages, etc.
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| 21:46 | <warren> ooh
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| 21:46 | and we use xinet.d instead of inet.d
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| 21:46 | inetd
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| 21:47 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 21:47 | you can download the actual package at: http://packages.debian.org/sid/PACKAGE
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| 21:48 | warren: i could also probably tarball up a chroot and put it up for download
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| 21:48 | warren: if that would be helpful
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| 21:49 | <warren> what I really need is a raw disk image
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| 21:49 | I can boot a raw disk image in qemu-kvm
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| 21:50 | <vagrantc> i've got a virtualbox image ... don't know if it's bootable from qemu
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| 21:55 | nope, qemu can't boot a virtualbox disk
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| 21:56 | hmm... guess i could try with a newer version of qemu
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| 21:58 | no luck
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| 22:02 | <warren> qemu has a tool to convert disk image formats
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| 22:02 | you could see which format virtualbox uses
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> qemu-img info never seems to give correct information on virtualbox dynamic disks
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| 22:04 | it things it's a raw image, and usually reports the virtual size only slightly higher than the disk size
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| 22:04 | so the way virtualbox does dynamicly growing disk images confuses it
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| 22:05 | <warren> apparently
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| 22:05 | Eric Harrison has an Edubuntu install, I'll see it tomorrow.
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| 22:06 | <vagrantc> i could make a new install using qemu
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| 22:06 | i think i could scrounge up enough space
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| 22:07 | <warren> that would be very helpful
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| 22:08 | <vagrantc> i'll have a harder time verifying that the client it generates is bootable for sure
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| 22:08 | <warren> oh
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| 22:09 | have you managed to get qemu bridging working?
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> partially
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| 22:09 | i can get it working so that qemu can talk to the host, and the host can talk to a qemu instance, but can't get two qemu instances to talk to one another
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| 22:12 | and then someone backported virtualbox-ose to debian etch, and it was ridiculously easy to set up a virtual network, so i've mostly done my ltsp development using virtualbox
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| 22:12 | <warren> oh
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| 22:13 | ok don't worry about it
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| 22:13 | I'll see Edubuntu soon
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> well, it wouldn't be a bad thing to have a downloadable image
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| 22:16 | <warren> yeah...
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| 22:59 | <vagrantc> warren: would a qcow format disk image work for you?
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| 22:59 | <warren> vagrantc, yes
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> warren: i'll make one up and see how it goes
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| 23:00 | <warren> thanks
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 23:01 | <warren> gotta sleep now
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> on second thought, maybe i should just make a raw image, so that i could test in virtualbox
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| 23:01 | <warren> early morning again
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| 23:01 | at conference
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> night
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| 23:02 | <warren> vagrantc, with raw image, zero it out to begin with so it compresses better
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> warren: does "qemu-img create -f raw" do that?
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| 23:05 | warren: it almost seems like it created a sparse image
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