IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 May 2018 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net) | |
| 00:09 | GodFather has left IRC (GodFather!~rcc@174-081-217-069.dhcp.chtrptr.net, Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| 01:34 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 01:35 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net) | |
| 01:39 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net, Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | |
| 03:30 | kjackal has left IRC (kjackal!~quassel@2a02:587:3102:4300:b0a9:f5fb:bb3d:7a34, Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | |
| 03:30 | kjackal has joined IRC (kjackal!~quassel@athedsl-238683.home.otenet.gr) | |
| 04:07 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net) | |
| 05:13 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net, Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | |
| 05:14 | <alkisg> vlt: KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES=ssh, and put the keys in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes
| |
| 05:31 | Statler|Home has joined IRC (Statler|Home!~Georg@p5B30E80B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | |
| 05:46 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net) | |
| 06:21 | wim1 has joined IRC (wim1!~Thunderbi@WEGC33.UNI-GRAZ.AT) | |
| 06:23 | ricotz has joined IRC (ricotz!~ricotz@ubuntu/member/ricotz) | |
| 06:23 | wim1 has left IRC (wim1!~Thunderbi@WEGC33.UNI-GRAZ.AT, Client Quit) | |
| 06:27 | wim1 has joined IRC (wim1!~Thunderbi@WEGC33.UNI-GRAZ.AT) | |
| 06:29 | wim1 has joined IRC (wim1!~Thunderbi@WEGC33.UNI-GRAZ.AT) | |
| 07:16 | <vlt> alkisg: :-* :-* :-*
| |
| 07:16 | <alkisg> :)
| |
| 08:25 | Statler has joined IRC (Statler!~Georg@p5B30E388.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | |
| 08:27 | Statler|Home has left IRC (Statler|Home!~Georg@p5B30E80B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de, Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| 09:12 | Statler has left IRC (Statler!~Georg@p5B30E388.dip0.t-ipconnect.de, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 10:03 | derick_ has joined IRC (derick_!b6468ea3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.70.142.163) | |
| 10:09 | <derick_> Will someone please explain me why ltsp-build-client is not used in instruction on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
| |
| 10:50 | gdi2k has joined IRC (gdi2k!~gdi2k@112.208.187.161) | |
| 11:09 | gdi2k has left IRC (gdi2k!~gdi2k@112.208.187.161, Read error: Connection reset by peer) | |
| 11:14 | gvy has joined IRC (gvy!~mike@altlinux/developer/mike) | |
| 11:15 | Statler_Office has joined IRC (Statler_Office!~Georg@gwrz3.lohn24.de) | |
| 11:27 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 11:27 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net) | |
| 11:42 | <vlt> derick_: I guess becase no client is built in -pnp mode. Afaik, the client uses the host's root fs or something like that.
| |
| 11:43 | Faith has joined IRC (Faith!~Paty_@unaffiliated/faith) | |
| 11:50 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 11:58 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net) | |
| 12:14 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 12:14 | GodFather has joined IRC (GodFather!~rcc@96-92-43-9-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) | |
| 12:25 | <derick_> vlt_: thanks :) yes, you are right!
| |
| 12:28 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net) | |
| 12:33 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@cpc104700-belf11-2-0-cust917.2-1.cable.virginm.net, Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | |
| 12:43 | gdi2k has joined IRC (gdi2k!~gdi2k@112.208.187.161) | |
| 13:29 | maciel_ has joined IRC (maciel_!8300c154@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.0.193.84) | |
| 13:30 | <maciel_> Hello, the possibility of putting to use Ltsp protocol to run windows remotely?
| |
| 13:33 | ben_roose has joined IRC (ben_roose!~roose@roose.cs.wichita.edu) | |
| 13:37 | <alkisg> maciel_: you can run ltsp with linux, and run virtualbox + windows on top of it
| |
| 13:37 | or with remote desktop with xfreerdp
| |
| 13:45 | wim1 has left IRC (wim1!~Thunderbi@WEGC33.UNI-GRAZ.AT, Quit: wim1) | |
| 13:49 | <maciel_> with virtualbox could very machine performance
| |
| 14:15 | <alkisg> yes, it can
| |
| 14:35 | Statler_Office has left IRC (Statler_Office!~Georg@gwrz3.lohn24.de, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 15:01 | derick_ has left IRC (derick_!b6468ea3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.70.142.163, Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| 15:13 | maciel_ has left IRC (maciel_!8300c154@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.0.193.84) | |
| 15:20 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@85.255.233.84) | |
| 15:27 | derick_ has joined IRC (derick_!b6468ea3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.70.142.163) | |
| 15:30 | gbaman_ has joined IRC (gbaman_!~gbaman@94.119.64.21) | |
| 15:34 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@85.255.233.84, Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | |
| 16:01 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@188.28.147.96.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 16:02 | gbaman__ has joined IRC (gbaman__!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 16:04 | gbaman_ has left IRC (gbaman_!~gbaman@94.119.64.21, Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | |
| 16:05 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@188.28.147.96.threembb.co.uk, Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| 16:07 | GodFather has left IRC (GodFather!~rcc@96-92-43-9-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net, Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | |
| 16:08 | gbaman__ has left IRC (gbaman__!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk, Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | |
| 16:50 | vagrantc has joined IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@unaffiliated/vagrantc) | |
| 17:12 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 17:41 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 17:41 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 17:44 | lucascastro has left IRC (lucascastro!~lucas@177-185-141-105.isotelco.net.br, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 17:47 | GodFather has joined IRC (GodFather!~rcc@2600:1007:b008:5c91:3458:e043:a206:11e4) | |
| 17:50 | alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | |
| 17:51 | alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) | |
| 18:05 | lucascastro has joined IRC (lucascastro!~lucas@177-185-141-105.isotelco.net.br) | |
| 18:08 | derick_ has left IRC (derick_!b6468ea3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.70.142.163, Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| 18:09 | lucascastro has left IRC (lucascastro!~lucas@177-185-141-105.isotelco.net.br, Client Quit) | |
| 18:30 | danboid has joined IRC (danboid!~dan@cpc126962-macc4-2-0-cust227.1-3.cable.virginm.net) | |
| 18:31 | <danboid> LTSP newb here, just about to set up my first test server. I presume LTSP servers are Linux only ie I can't run it under FreeBSD?
| |
| 18:32 | lucascastro has joined IRC (lucascastro!~lucas@201.182.221.154) | |
| 18:32 | <vagrantc> danboid: it's probably not impossible to run on FreeBSD servers ... but i wouldn't recommend trying it for your first LTSP install
| |
| 18:33 | <||cw> it would require a lot of porting. in fact anything but ubuntu 16.04 is going to take some work.
| |
| 18:33 | <vagrantc> i've done some ltsp-like things with pcbsd or dragonflybsd years and years ago
| |
| 18:34 | <danboid> Ah! I was just about to install it under Ubutu server 18.04 but yiu say 16.04 is a better choice?
| |
| 18:34 | <vagrantc> debian should work fine, too
| |
| 18:35 | <danboid> So it doesn't actually depend on any Linux kernel specific features then?
| |
| 18:35 | gvy has left IRC (gvy!~mike@altlinux/developer/mike, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 18:35 | <vagrantc> danboid: it's pretty linux-specific, but you could *possibly* host LTSP images on a freebsd server, if you really wanted to and had a lot of time and patience
| |
| 18:35 | <||cw> 16.04 with ltsp-manager is easiest. from there you can dig into how it works
| |
| 18:36 | <danboid> Is it known to have issues under 18.04?
| |
| 18:36 | or has no-one tried it yet?
| |
| 18:36 | <vagrantc> i don't think newer versions of ubuntu have active maintainers
| |
| 18:36 | <||cw> it was pre-release. I don't know if anyone has been submitting patches for 18.04
| |
| 18:36 | <vagrantc> debian's been the only distro with new upstream LTSP releases for several years...
| |
| 18:37 | <||cw> 17.10 the OS had some changes that broke ltsp
| |
| 18:37 | <danboid> 16.04 or Debian it is then
| |
| 18:37 | <vagrantc> says the debian LTSP maintainer...
| |
| 18:37 | that said, even i haven't really had a real-world LTSP install for quite a long time, so it hasn't gotten the rigorous testing it deserves...
| |
| 18:38 | <danboid> Is there any reason I may want to choose Debian 9 over 16.04 or vice versa other than personal pref?
| |
| 18:40 | <vagrantc> 16.04 has some newer PPA packages available ... i think.
| |
| 18:40 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 18:41 | <danboid> OK, 16.04 sounds like the easiest/best bet
| |
| 18:42 | Did I read on the website mentions it can host Windows too?
| |
| 18:42 | <vagrantc> there are RDP clients that can connect to windows servers...
| |
| 18:43 | if your server supports RDP
| |
| 18:43 | it's basically just a network-booted operating system ... it can generally do anything a typical distribution can do
| |
| 18:44 | <danboid> On the ltsp.org main page it says:
| |
| 18:44 | LTSP workstations can run applications from Linux and Windows servers.
| |
| 18:44 | Oh yes
| |
| 18:45 | I misread that :)
| |
| 18:45 | LTSP CLIENTS...
| |
| 18:47 | So you can probabably boot WinRE or something like Haiku over LTSP
| |
| 18:47 | <vagrantc> no
| |
| 18:48 | you can basically boot a linux distribution as an LTSP client.
| |
| 18:48 | that can connect to other servers supporting various protocols ... e.g. X, RDP, VNC, etc.
| |
| 18:49 | LTSP isn't a protocol so much as a network booted operating system
| |
| 18:50 | i've experimented with using Debian GNU/kFreeBSD for an LTSP client a long time ago, too ... but never got too far ... there are a lot of linux assumptions
| |
| 18:52 | <danboid> So only Linux distros are supported on the clients too then?
| |
| 18:53 | I presume I can boot 18.04 on the clients
| |
| 18:54 | <vagrantc> danboid: let's start over :)
| |
| 18:55 | danboid: typically, you install a Linux distro (Ubuntu, Debian, etc.) and build an LTSP image from the same distro, and network boot that LTSP image.
| |
| 18:56 | danboid: once you've booted a client to LTSP, it can run a desktop locally, or run your desktop on the server, or run clients such as RDP to connect to windows, or VNC, etc.
| |
| 18:57 | the LTSP server serves up the LTSP client image over NBD (or NFS, or AoE, or ...)
| |
| 18:58 | the LTSP server may also allow LTSP clients to connect to it and run a desktop on the server.
| |
| 18:58 | hopefully that clarifies things...
| |
| 19:00 | the server could host the LTSP image if it supports NBD/NFS/AoE and tftp ... but the OS the LTSP clients are running is whatever Linux distro you used to build the LTSP images
| |
| 19:01 | but maybe that last part is too much :)
| |
| 19:02 | <danboid> How do you create an LTSP image?
| |
| 19:02 | Just a rough overview
| |
| 19:03 | That might explain what my choices for client OS are
| |
| 19:03 | <vagrantc> manually?
| |
| 19:03 | !ltsp-manager
| |
| 19:03 | <ltsp> ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
| |
| 19:03 | <vagrantc> that'd be the recommended way
| |
| 19:03 | <danboid> I'd install that on the machine to be imaged?
| |
| 19:03 | <vagrantc> but basically comes down to: install your OS with all the applications you want available to the client, and run "ltsp-update-image -c /"
| |
| 19:04 | it builds the image out of the installed OS
| |
| 19:04 | <danboid> Is ltsp-update-image a C app or shell script or?
| |
| 19:04 | <vagrantc> there's an older method which builds an image in a chroot, using ltsp-build-client
| |
| 19:05 | danboid: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/+git/ltsp/+ref/master
| |
| 19:05 | <danboid> Does ltsp-update-image strip out browser/bash cache etc?
| |
| 19:06 | <vagrantc> it excludes the homedirs and a few other things
| |
| 19:09 | <danboid> Cool. This will be fun :)
| |
| 19:09 | <vagrantc> i would strongly recommend doing a "normal" install before wandering off into uncharted territory :)
| |
| 19:09 | <danboid> vagrantc, Of course! :)
| |
| 19:10 | <vagrantc> not sure what broke in recent versions of ubuntu
| |
| 19:10 | <danboid> BTW I never saw the point of Deb/kfreebsd. The only reason I run FreeBSD on my NAS is coz ZFS. If kfreebsd doesn't let me install to ZFS its dead to me
| |
| 19:11 | <vagrantc> looks like ubuntu's now syncing from debian again ...
| |
| 19:11 | <||cw> ubuntu lets you install zfs. I've been using it a while
| |
| 19:11 | <vagrantc> danboid: i think it's possible to install zfs
| |
| 19:12 | <||cw> doing a new zrep backup config right now
| |
| 19:12 | <vagrantc> danboid: i think the biggest benefit to debian, and the free software community as a whole, has been to dig out bugs about operating system assumptions ...
| |
| 19:13 | <danboid> Not without jumping through a shitload of hoops.I install zfs-dkms under Ubuntu to use my external ZFS drives but to install Ubuntu on a ZFS root drive is tricky
| |
| 19:13 | vagrantc, Yes, that's nice I suppose
| |
| 19:13 | <||cw> oh, yeah, I still do ext4 roots
| |
| 19:14 | <vagrantc> sure, zfs support on debian is probably similar, it's in the "contrib" part of the repository
| |
| 19:14 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 19:14 | <vagrantc> which is technically not part of debian
| |
| 19:15 | <||cw> but ext4 on raid1 for a root is just fine, and super easy to do recovery on
| |
| 19:15 | <danboid> I had no idea Vagrant was a name. I thought you were a big fan of the app until I looked at github and saw that is your name
| |
| 19:16 | <vagrantc> my choice of name predates the software :)
| |
| 19:16 | <danboid> Haha :D
| |
| 19:17 | <vagrantc> https://bugs.debian.org/859253
| |
| 19:18 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk, Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| 19:18 | <danboid> That's great! Could be the only time someone has had to file a bug for their name with a distro?
| |
| 19:19 | * vagrantc is suprised the bug is still open | |
| 19:19 | <vagrantc> kind of doesn't speak well to the quality of maintenance for that package...
| |
| 19:21 | mostly it's just funny, though i have had occasional conversations where it's been confused
| |
| 19:30 | GodFather has left IRC (GodFather!~rcc@2600:1007:b008:5c91:3458:e043:a206:11e4, Read error: No route to host) | |
| 19:48 | GodFather has joined IRC (GodFather!~rcc@2600:1007:b008:5c91:3458:e043:a206:11e4) | |
| 19:51 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 19:55 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk, Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | |
| 19:59 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 20:07 | <alkisg> danboid: ltsp has some issues with recent systemd releases, in all distros. They're not there in 16.04, so yeah for first test go for that.
| |
| 20:08 | E.g. "clients won't shut down" or "dns not working on the clients"...
| |
| 20:13 | lucascastro has left IRC (lucascastro!~lucas@201.182.221.154, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 20:15 | <danboid> alkisg, OK, thanks
| |
| 20:30 | kjackal has left IRC (kjackal!~quassel@athedsl-238683.home.otenet.gr, Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | |
| 20:35 | lucascastro has joined IRC (lucascastro!~lucas@177-185-141-105.isotelco.net.br) | |
| 20:35 | ricotz has left IRC (ricotz!~ricotz@ubuntu/member/ricotz, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 20:38 | Faith has left IRC (Faith!~Paty_@unaffiliated/faith, Quit: Leaving) | |
| 20:54 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@94.196.94.124.threembb.co.uk, Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | |
| 21:09 | GodFather has left IRC (GodFather!~rcc@2600:1007:b008:5c91:3458:e043:a206:11e4, Read error: No route to host) | |
| 21:12 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@188.28.153.199.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 21:20 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@188.28.153.199.threembb.co.uk, Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| 21:32 | GodFather has joined IRC (GodFather!~rcc@174-081-217-069.dhcp.chtrptr.net) | |
| 21:55 | ben_roose has left IRC (ben_roose!~roose@roose.cs.wichita.edu, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 22:03 | danboid has left IRC (danboid!~dan@cpc126962-macc4-2-0-cust227.1-3.cable.virginm.net, Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | |
| 22:19 | gbaman has joined IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@188.28.153.199.threembb.co.uk) | |
| 22:30 | <sutula> epoptes-client question: What's the chance I can install/run the epoptes-client package on non-LTSP clients and get it to more-or-less work?
| |
| 22:30 | Why? Well, it'd be great to install on mythtv-frontend systems and be able to shut down those systems remotely.
| |
| 22:31 | Even better if I could see what they were doing before shutting them down, but I probably ask too much.
| |
| 22:32 | <vagrantc> sutula: it's supposed to work to n non-ltsp clients
| |
| 22:32 | http://www.epoptes.org/
| |
| 22:33 | "It can be installed in Ubuntu, Debian and openSUSE based labs that may contain any combination of the following: LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, non LTSP servers, standalone workstations, NX or XDMCP clients etc. Patches for other distros are welcome."
| |
| 22:33 | <sutula> vagrantc: Very cool then...worth a try!
| |
| 22:49 | vagrantc has left IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@unaffiliated/vagrantc, Quit: leaving) | |
| 23:07 | GodFather has left IRC (GodFather!~rcc@174-081-217-069.dhcp.chtrptr.net, Remote host closed the connection) | |
| 23:18 | gdi2k has left IRC (gdi2k!~gdi2k@112.208.187.161, Read error: Connection reset by peer) | |
| 23:26 | gbaman has left IRC (gbaman!~gbaman@188.28.153.199.threembb.co.uk, Remote host closed the connection) | |