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Channel log from 27 March 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:51 | <haz> can anyone tell me whether or not i should be using xfs with my ltsp 4.2 setup? I am right now, but I don't really understand why :)
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| 00:51 | and it has a very annoying habit of leaving all these dead child processes around, when it clones itself it doesn't seem to cleanup the old procs
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| 00:52 | this is on debian testing
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| 01:05 | hmm actually i could be wrong, if the client limit is set to 10 does that mean i should see 10 child xfs processes? from the man page i thought that meant that a single process would handle 10 connections and then clone itself
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| 01:06 | anyway, i ask all this because i'm trying to get asian fonts to display on my thin-clients
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| 04:40 | <amit1> problem: while trying to boot form lancard ERROE: TFTP cannot not connect
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| 04:41 | ERROR
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| 04:41 | any body ..?
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| 05:56 | <daya> hi all
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| 05:56 | I am having problem in implemetig it
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| 05:57 | Xserver fail, press anykey to continue
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| 06:03 | <daya> why no one here this big channle
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| 06:14 | <cliebow> its breakfast time...im boking it for school..bbiaab
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| 06:15 | <cliebow> dya:lay out your prob so all can see...4.2 or 5? what type video card? what distro on server?
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| 07:21 | <cliebow_> ltspbot learn js asLumiere!!!!!!!!
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| 07:21 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 07:21 | <cliebow_> ltspbot learn js as Lumiere!!!!!!!!
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| 07:21 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: The operation succeeded.
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| 07:22 | <cliebow_> ltspbot learn j as jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 07:22 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: The operation succeeded.
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| 08:18 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:19 | <ogra> !sbalneav
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| 08:19 | <ltspbot> ogra: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:19 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:19 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra!
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| 08:20 | Hey, what's the "recommended" way to load apps from the second CD?
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| 08:20 | <ogra> pop it in :)
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| 08:20 | <sbalneav> Did a bunch of testing on Edubuntu last night, I only came up with one minor problem, which I think is a udev issue.
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| 08:21 | This one machine I installed on doesn't have a built in sound card, so I use a USB sound card (SoundBlaster NX)
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| 08:21 | The problem was: it didn't create the device at /dev/dsp, but rather, /dev/dsp1
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| 08:21 | <ogra> hmm
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| 08:21 | <sbalneav> so, sound wouldn't work at all.
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| 08:21 | <ogra> weird
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| 08:21 | <bricode> sbalneav: What's the weather like these days in the 'peg?
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| 08:22 | <sbalneav> Added an extra udev rule in the links section to create a symlink from /dev/dsp1 to /dev/dsp, bingo
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| 08:22 | everything OK
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| 08:22 | <ogra> are you sure there is absolutely nothing builtin ?
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| 08:22 | <sbalneav> Yep, double, triple, and quad checked. Thats what I thought it was.
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| 08:22 | <ogra> it shouldnt add the 1 if no dsp is there
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| 08:22 | <sbalneav> nothing showed up in dmesg, and there was only the one card in /dev/snd
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| 08:23 | yep. But there appears to be no actual rules regarding sound cards in /etc/udev/rules.d that I could find, so I don't even know how it handles that.
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| 08:23 | <ogra> weird, make sure to file a bug ... someone with soound or udev knowledge should look at it
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| 08:23 | <sbalneav> bricode: thawing, and flooding my basement :(
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| 08:24 | Well, not yet, if I keep on top of it.
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| 08:24 | <bricode> sbalneav: Lame. I'm headed out there on Thurs. for one of my dad's talks.
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| 08:24 | <ogra> what do you all have with your basements atm ?
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| 08:24 | <sbalneav> Well, it's a window well that's filling up.
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| 08:24 | Hopefully today will be better. I'm taking a risk, and showed up for work. I'll go home at lunch and check it.
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| 08:25 | ogra: ok, I'll file a bug-a-wug
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| 08:25 | <ogra> good :)
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| 08:25 | didnt jammcq also have issues with his basement ?
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Don't think so.
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| 08:31 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: have a question about edubuntu
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| 08:31 | r u there>
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| 08:31 | ?
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| 08:32 | well... anyway.. shoot a question 4 * #ltsp
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| 08:34 | i installed 2 weeks ago edubuntu .. now not have problem with devices. but the system is very slowly .. as slowly as stay blocked ... i'm talkin of server 3ghz with 2 g ram and the clients p4 2.6ghz with 256 ram but. have the network mounted in the hub layer to 10mb/s
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| 08:34 | is the network physically the problem?
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| 08:35 | oh! and are 15 clients
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| 08:35 | so have always 3 or 4 clients sessions blocked
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| 08:35 | have to make crtl+zlt+backspace
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| 08:35 | and run an script i made to resolve
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| 08:36 | killing all process of $client_blocked
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| 08:36 | and re-logging to can go..
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| 08:36 | <ogra> 10Mbit isnt enough ...
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| 08:36 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> but occurs many times
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| 08:36 | yes i c
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| 08:36 | here my work
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| 08:36 | buy now switches
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| 08:36 | to 100mb/s
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| 08:36 | to can try fix the problem
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| 08:37 | but my point of view is this
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| 08:37 | is the network the problem
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| 08:37 | because
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| 08:37 | when i installed
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> Yeah, hubs are bad enough, because X is a very chatty protocol, and sends out LOTS of small packets.
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| 08:37 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> 4.2 with debian etch
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> a 10 meg hub is going to be even worse
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| 08:37 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> okok.. but look this
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| 08:37 | check this..
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| 08:37 | 1st time have 4.2 in debian etch
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| 08:37 | i just installed a base system
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| 08:37 | and iso
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| 08:37 | with same layer
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| 08:38 | and the clients
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| 08:38 | go more fastley
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| 08:38 | my fear
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| 08:38 | is ..
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| 08:38 | buy this switches.. and the problem stay continues
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| 08:38 | <neuralis> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: please write more than a few words per line, it's highly annoying this way
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| 08:38 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> neuralis: ok.. sorry
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: If you still have the problem after you buy switches, then we'll help you to fix it.
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| 08:40 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhm. ok .. is a good point. but what you can said me when i has the version 4.2 ...in that moment have some problems with pen drives with ountend and other thins.. so have to upgrade with this solution (edubuntu).. but now appears this
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| 08:41 | is obviuslly the networks stay fater because all the system mov in the net
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| 08:41 | but is strange.. how before run more rapidlly as now.
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| 08:41 | i guess.. because edubuntu have many packages...
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| 08:42 | <ogra> what kind of desktop did you use on the debian system ?
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| 08:42 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> well edubuntu by default show gnome
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| 08:42 | ahh
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| 08:42 | sorry
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| 08:42 | in debian use same
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| 08:42 | gnome gnome
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| 08:42 | <ogra> a gnome desktop ?
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| 08:42 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
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| 08:45 | so? .. making a conference .. or have any idea.. my boss askme all days. if i have solution for this.. (anyway the swith is going to buy) but while??
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| 09:53 | <arowanaj_> Hi!
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| 10:18 | <Dorphalsig> Hello =)
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| 10:18 | has anybody tried running ltsp on a mac?
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> Dorphalsig: i know it's been done ...
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| 10:24 | <Dorphalsig> yeah I just found an article about thta
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| 10:24 | although I believe its old, because its in the sf.net site
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| 10:54 | <cliebow_> Dorphalsig, i do some with Macintosh
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| 10:59 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok... have a switch 100mbs for the clients... let c.. how clients survive now :)
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| 11:15 | <petre> morning all
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| 11:17 | <cliebow_> hey!
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| 11:17 | <petre> hey chuck!
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| 11:18 | <cliebow_> how goes it all?
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| 11:20 | <petre> I inherited a Mac Powerbook G3. It's got a built-in ethernet port. Can these netboot?
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| 11:20 | <cliebow_> !j
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| 11:20 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: "j" is (#1) jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, or (#2) jstraw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, or (#3) jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:21 | <jammcq> knucklehead
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| 11:21 | <cliebow_> Heh!
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| 11:21 | Lumiere keeps messing with my head
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| 11:24 | <Avatara> if your mac network adapter supports PXE and you kernel and LTSP enviroment compiled for PPC arch - why not <petre> I inherited a Mac Powerbook G3. It's got a built-in ethernet port. Can these netboot?
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| 11:24 | <cliebow_> sure
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| 11:26 | <petre> my k12ltsp 5 server supports ppc machines, as I've run them on it before
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| 11:26 | but I haven't had any macs for a while
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| 11:26 | with this g3, how do I get it to netboot? I tried holding down the N key during boot but it didn't do anything
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| 11:27 | <Avatara> read manual for this book
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| 11:28 | <cliebow_> petre:if you check that escurity-mode=none in opfw
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| 11:28 | petre: you can hold cmd-option-o-f at chime and boot to opfw
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| 11:28 | <petre> lemme try that...
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| 11:28 | <cliebow_> then type boot enet:ipofserver
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| 11:29 | <petre> is cmd=apple key?
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| 11:29 | <cliebow_> err..
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| 11:29 | yeah
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| 11:30 | you will need options in dhcpd.conf to wake it up..got that piece?
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| 11:31 | <petre> which options?
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| 11:32 | stuff like 'filename "yaboot"'?
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| 11:33 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "authoritative; subnet 192.168." (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/75
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| 11:34 | <cliebow_> this kind of stuff..the wierdvedndor-encapsulated--> stuff
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| 11:35 | <petre> yeah, I think I've got all that, courtesy of Eric
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| 11:36 | <cliebow_> there Are some machines that dont seem to responfd to n key..but cant be started from opfw
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| 11:36 | <petre> hmm, can't seem to get the opfw to kick in
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| 11:36 | <cliebow_> and later set to automagically use those boot parameters
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| 11:37 | maybe it is old enough it has no firmware?
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| 11:38 | <petre> well, it's only got 32MB RAM, OS 9; not sure about the processor
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| 11:40 | <cliebow_> you are stuck with option then of a chubby client..which is not really an option since no one has ever worked out the details for g3
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| 11:42 | <petre> so, a g3 is not a g3 is not a g3?
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| 11:43 | <cliebow_> yeah..
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| 11:43 | i dont know at what point they started woith opfw
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| 11:45 | <petre> looks like some time after this g3 was made
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| 11:46 | I found a web page that says the version of opfw can be found under the Apple menu
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| 11:47 | then under Apple System Profiler; there's supposed to be a 'Boot ROM version' listed, but I don't have one
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| 11:47 | :-(
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| 11:47 | CPU is 233mhz
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| 11:48 | <cliebow_> SOL then..i always used mklinux booter for the nubus machines..it wouldnt work on g3..and i had just one g3..so did not mess around thrying to make yaboot work on early g3 for chubby client use
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| 11:50 | <petre> I wonder if an older version of ydl would work on this, at least the point of starting X
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| 11:52 | <cliebow_> i did have ydl running on an old g3..it is what i used to tweak the ppc kernel
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| 11:52 | <petre> what version of ydl?
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| 11:52 | <cliebow_> 2.3 i think it was...ubuntu wont work on it?
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| 11:55 | <petre> hmm, I've got the edubuntu live cd for ppc; think it will work with 32MB RAM, just to get to command prompt/no gui?
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| 11:56 | <cliebow_> Balls!probably not
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| 11:56 | but ydl wont either..
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| 11:57 | <King`Nothing> hi:) I want to ask you how to use usplash or other bootsplash loader in ltsp 5?
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| 11:57 | <petre> the CD spun up, but then it just started os 9 from the hard disk; nuts
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| 11:57 | <cliebow_> even holding down c?
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| 11:59 | <petre> yep, even holding down c
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| 12:00 | it's got vnc installed on the hard disk, and I just got that to connect to the ltsp server--not perfect, but it might do
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| 12:00 | <cliebow_> i dont think even nx will work
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| 12:00 | <petre> how do I set that to load automatically at boot?
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| 12:01 | <cliebow_> lordy .in os9..it has been to lonng..
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| 12:22 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 12:22 | I rule XD
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| 12:25 | <cliebow_> i got my very first knucklehead out of it!
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| 12:25 | * Lumiere strips cliebow_ of his _... | |
| 12:26 | <cliebow_> !
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| 12:42 | <cliebow_> ltspbot forget j
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| 12:42 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: Error: 3 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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| 12:42 | <cliebow_> ltspbot forget j*
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| 12:42 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: Error: There is no such factoid.
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| 12:45 | <jammcq> ltspbot forget j(*)
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: There is no such factoid.
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| 12:45 | <jammcq> ltspbot forget j[*]
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "*" is not a valid command.
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| 12:45 | <jammcq> ltspbot is a jerk
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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| 12:46 | <pavka> hello everybody
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| 12:46 | <jammcq> hello
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| 12:47 | <pavka> can someone help me? Ive installed ltsp-5 on my ubuntu
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| 12:47 | <jammcq> and.... ?
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| 12:47 | <pavka> and Ive problem with Xserver detection
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| 12:47 | <jammcq> what kind of video card?
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| 12:47 | <pavka> Is posible to configure clients S3 as VESA_
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| 12:47 | ?
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| 12:48 | <jammcq> yeah, in lts.conf, set XSERVER = vesa
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| 12:48 | in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 12:48 | I dunno how well 'vesa' works with s3. you might also try: XSERVER = s3
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| 12:48 | <pavka> It works in ltsp-4, but in ltsp5?
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| 12:48 | <jammcq> try in ltsp-5
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| 12:49 | <pavka> no, in thin client is right configured Xorg as S3, but it doesnt works. In ltsp4 ive configured vesa, it works fine
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| 12:49 | <jammcq> ok, so then try XSERVER = vesa
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| 12:49 | <pavka> i think, in ltsp5 is another configuration scheme
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| 12:50 | <jammcq> XSERVER = vesa should still work
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| 12:50 | <pavka> Ill try it
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| 12:50 | <jammcq> ok
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| 12:53 | <pavka> no, in xorg.conf is still generated s3 driver
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| 12:54 | <jammcq> show me your lts.conf file. paste it to http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 12:54 | <pavka> only your line
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| 12:54 | I dont have another option this time
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| 12:54 | <jammcq> did you put [Default] ?
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| 12:54 | <pavka> no :D
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| 12:54 | <jammcq> well
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| 12:55 | Perhaps you should look at this page:
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| 12:55 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 12:57 | <pavka> I know this configuration, but its for ltsp4. My old configuration stops work after upgrade to ltsp5
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| 12:57 | <jammcq> ok, but the format of the file is the same
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| 12:57 | you need:
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| 12:57 | [Default]
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| 12:57 | <pavka> so I began with empty configuration
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| 12:57 | <jammcq> XSERVER = vesa
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| 12:57 | empty? or just a '[Default]' ?
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| 12:57 | if you show me your file, I'll know EXACTLY what you have
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| 12:58 | <pavka> yeah, Xorg works
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| 12:58 | but only X
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| 12:58 | <jammcq> dunno what that means
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| 12:58 | <pavka> Id like use -query, its posible in 5 too?
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| 12:59 | <jammcq> umm, you can set: SCREEN_07 = startx
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| 12:59 | <pavka> no Xorg --query x.x.x.x?
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| 12:59 | <jammcq> startx already does a query
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| 13:00 | you could probably do:
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| 13:00 | SCREEN_07 = startx -query x.x.x.x
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| 13:02 | <pavka> great
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| 13:02 | I see login screen
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| 13:02 | and now last problem
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| 13:02 | mouse doesnt work in X
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> what kind of mouse?
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| 13:03 | <pavka> X_DEVICE_OPTION_01?
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| 13:03 | ps2
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> hmm, that should just automatically work
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| 13:03 | <pavka> maybe here isnt kernel module
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| 13:03 | I dont know
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> for what, ps2 mouse?
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| 13:03 | heh
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| 13:04 | we'd all be in big trouble if there wasn't
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| 13:05 | <pavka> Ill find solution later. No time this time. Tnx a lot
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> no prob
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| 13:05 | <yhan> hi, is there a documentation somewhere for pxelinux.cfg ?
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| 13:05 | I'm trying to setup a term visara tn3270
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| 13:06 | it's booting the kernel, but it tries to mount the nfs share on the dhcp server
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> using LTSP ?
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| 13:06 | <yhan> the nfs server is not on the same machine
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| 13:06 | yes
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> what distro?
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| 13:06 | <yhan> ubuntu
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> ogra_: did you add that ability yet?
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| 13:06 | <yhan> it's working great with a standard pc as term
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> ltsp-4.2 could do that just fine
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| 13:06 | <yhan> but not with the term visara
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> but I don't know anything about the visara
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| 13:07 | it's not up to pxelinux.cfg tho
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| 13:07 | it's a dhcp issue
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| 13:07 | <yhan> my dhcp config has option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 13:07 | next-server 192.168.0.100;
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| 13:08 | <jammcq> 'next-server' is for tftp
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| 13:08 | <yhan> 192.168.0.100 is my tftp and nfs server
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| 13:08 | I also have server-name "galinea.yhan.ath.cx";
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| 13:08 | galinea is 192.168.0.100
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| 13:09 | I've installed the tftp server on the same machine as the dhcp server to give it a try
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| 13:09 | it's was not booting at all
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| 13:10 | the only missing piece is the nfs server
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> i'm not sure if that's been fixed in ltsp-5
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| 13:10 | ogra was thinking about doing that
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| 13:20 | <yhan> ok when the term boots; at a moment it says ip=192.168.0.155:192.168.0.100:192.168.0.150
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| 13:21 | is it possible that the last line would be the nfs server ?
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| 13:21 | <jammcq> i'm not sure if that's been fixed in ltsp-5
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| 13:21 | ogra was thinking about doing that
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| 13:28 | <yhan> term says ready after booting the kernel
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| 13:28 | even if the dhcp server is on the same machine as the nfs server
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| 13:30 | <mistik1> Hey jammcq
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| 13:56 | <blinky_ghost> hello can anybody help me or point me directions to setup a bootsplash on ltsp-4.2?
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| 14:19 | <plamengr> Hi, all :)
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| 14:19 | Have you already configured Local printers or scanners in LTSP-5?
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| 14:25 | <plamengr> ...or any success in configuring Floppy as a Local Dev?
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| 14:25 | <jammcq> !sbalneav
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| 14:25 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> Hey hey!
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| 14:28 | <plamengr> sbalneav: sorry again for the bothering.... Is there something new for Floppy as a Local Dev?
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| 14:29 | <agliodbs> hey sbalneav
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| 14:29 | sbalneav: doing FISL?
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| 14:35 | <sbalneav> Yes I am!
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| 14:40 | <yhan> how can I debug the boot of the kernel on a terminal ?
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| 14:46 | <cliebow_> ltspbot factoids
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| 14:46 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: Error: "factoids" is not a valid command.
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| 15:09 | <pavka> jammcq: so, my problem with mouse isnt solved
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| 15:10 | jammcq: I tried all posible devices, all posible protocols, and mouse dont move :(
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| 15:13 | <agliodbs> sbalneav: look forward to it. chacuscarria!
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| 15:13 | and you *must* go to the pizza place
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| 15:16 | <jammcq> agliodbs: I thought you were a vegetarian
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| 15:17 | <agliodbs> jammcq: the salad bars at those places are huge
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| 15:17 | and they sometimes have fish too
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| 15:18 | at one the owner was afraid I'd be hungry so he gave me a whole filet of salmon, grilled
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| 15:31 | <yhan> how can I force a term to use a video driver in xorg ?
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| 15:31 | with lts.conf ?
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| 15:33 | <sbalneav> XSERVER = whatever
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| 15:35 | <yhan> thks
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| 15:36 | almost done to setup my terms
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| 15:36 | video driver glitch
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| 15:36 | it's a cyrix video board and it's not detected automaticly
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| 15:37 | an another problem to solve later on, is to make it boot faster
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| 15:38 | btw how can I disable acpi ? a kernel option ?
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| 15:46 | what is the variable name in lts.conf for the color depth ?
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| 15:48 | <yhan> found it X_COLOR_DEPTH
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| 16:44 | <Arnoldtje> Hi there?
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| 16:46 | after installing LTSP and setting runlevel 5 the terminal says "unable to open /etc/inittab: no such file or directory at /usr/sbin/ltspcfg line 142, <STDIN> line4."
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| 17:26 | <gonzaloaf_work> hello I'm using ltsp 4.2, if I use a xorg.conf file for eah client like ws00x.xorg.conf, do I have use a complete xorg.conf file? I just want my clients to load some more modules
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| 17:29 | <cliebow> well you could use a specialize XF86CONFIg-FILE
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| 17:29 | hel
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| 17:29 | well you could use a specialize XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 17:30 | <gonzaloaf_work> cliebow, I'm not doing that?
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| 17:31 | <cliebow> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 17:33 | <gonzaloaf_work> cliebow, what I want is just to add some more lines to the default xorg.conf that ltsp use for my clients, not a complete xorg.conf
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| 17:35 | <cliebow> X4_MODULE_01 through X4_MODULE_10..will that suit you..otherwise might have to ping someone else
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| 17:36 | 4.2 it seems is passe..though i think iti s greatest thing since sliced bread
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| 18:06 | <edgarin> Hi!
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| 18:08 | <cliebow> ho!
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| 18:08 | <edgarin> cliebow, how are u?
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| 18:15 | <cliebow> oh putting dinner together..
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| 19:22 | <dan__t> Ok, so... where does my /opt/ltsp/i386/ root pull its files from?
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| 19:23 | A specified copy of stuff required from / ?
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| 19:23 | <jammcq> what distro>
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| 19:23 | ?
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| 19:23 | <dan__t> FC6
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| 19:23 | I don't "see" it
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| 19:23 | <jammcq> it pulls the files from the LTSP download mirror
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| 19:23 | <dan__t> word.
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| 19:24 | Should I expect to find modules for specific devices off of said download mirror?
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| 19:24 | <jammcq> no
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| 19:24 | everything that ltsp supports will get installed when you run ltspadmin, and select all
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| 19:24 | <dan__t> thanks.
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| 19:24 | I'm tinkering with sound today.
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| 19:25 | <jammcq> all devices supported by ltsp are in the ltsp-modules package
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| 19:25 | <dan__t> Very cool, thank you.
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| 19:26 | Looks like sound support can be a daunting task.
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| 19:27 | <jammcq> it can be, but if you have a pci sound card, it shouldn't be too bad
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| 19:27 | <dan__t> Alright.
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| 19:27 | It's onboard, a Yamaha, which is assumed to be PCI.
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| 19:28 | I was not able to find what the normal "procedure" is, for updating LTSP. Is there one?
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| 19:28 | I'm using 4.2 under, again, FC6.
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| 19:29 | <jammcq> just run ltspadmin, if there's any updates, it'll tell you
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| 19:29 | <dan__t> awesome.
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| 19:29 | <jammcq> there hasn't been any updates in quite a while. we're putting most of our efforts into ltsp-5
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| 19:29 | <dan__t> Excellent.
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| 19:29 | Will that be upgrade-able?
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| 19:29 | Or... guess it doesn't matter huh.
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| 19:30 | <jammcq> not upgradable
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| 19:30 | but you can install it alongside 4.2
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| 19:30 | <dan__t> Awesome.
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| 19:30 | Sorry for all the questions - still learning a bit.
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| 19:43 | <cliebow> 4.2 still rocks in my book!
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| 19:44 | <dan__t> word.
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| 19:44 | Does 4.2 update at all, or is it like a frozen tree
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| 19:46 | er, sorry, that was a dumb question.
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| 19:47 | <cliebow> not much being done with it rightnow...
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| 19:48 | <dan__t> yep.
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| 19:49 | <cliebow> dan-_T:personaly i'd like to see some of the ideas incorporated back..but i'm not the one with savvy enough to do it..
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| 19:52 | <dan__t> Such as what?
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| 20:12 | <dan__t> Ok, so, I must have changed my LTSP installation path when I first installed.
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| 20:12 | How does LTSP know which packages should be marked for update/upgrade etc etc?
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| 20:16 | <jammcq> when you run ltspadmin, it grabs a file from the ltsp download site called packages.list
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| 20:17 | that contains all the versions of the latest programs
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| 20:17 | it compares that with the packages currently installed
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| 20:33 | <dan__t> Oh yeah, forgot, sorry.
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| 20:34 | Where is that local package list kept?
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| 20:36 | <jammcq> it's in /opt/ltsp/data/package.db
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| 20:44 | <PMantis> hi guys
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| 20:44 | Anyone have a couple minutes to talk Perl?
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| 20:45 | <jammcq> heh
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| 20:46 | <PMantis> forecch $problem as ($steve-dont-understand) { $jammcq->fix($problem); }
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| 20:46 | :-)
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| 20:47 | <jammcq> ah, the object oriented approach
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| 20:47 | <PMantis> And you're the object. :
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| 20:47 | :)
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| 20:48 | If you have a minute... you remember this code: http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/hours2ledger/sql-ledger-hours-email
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| 20:48 | Line 78= foreach $line (split(/\n/, $procheaders))
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| 20:48 | <jammcq> lets' take this out of #ltsp
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| 20:48 | <PMantis> ok
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| 21:05 | <ChinaForge> hello
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| 21:05 | Can you help me?
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| 21:06 | I install ltsp-5 in ubuntu 6.10,
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| 21:06 | <dan__t> If a question is asked, I'm sure an answer will be provided.
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| 21:06 | <ChinaForge> but ia can't find rdesktop screen script.
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| 21:07 | <jammcq> I don't think that ltsp-5 supports rdesktop yet
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| 21:07 | <ChinaForge> why?
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| 21:08 | <jammcq> not enough hours in the day
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> it shouldn't be hard to adapt the rdesktop scripts from ltsp 4.x for ltsp5
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| 21:09 | <jammcq> installing the rdesktop binary should be real easy
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> not that i know *anything* about rdesktop
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| 21:10 | other than what it is and what it does
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| 21:10 | <jammcq> I don't have any windows servers to test it against
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| 21:11 | <ChinaForge> 4.2 is support.
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| 21:12 | I english no good,so slow.
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| 21:13 | <jammcq> ChinaForge: LTSP-5 doesn't support rdesktop
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| 21:14 | <ChinaForge> 4.2 support,5 doesn't,why?
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> ChinaForge: because you didn
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| 21:14 | 't get it to work! :P
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| 21:14 | <jammcq> because LTSP-5 is VERY different from LTSP-4.2
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| 21:14 | <ChinaForge> o
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> it's 0.8 more LTSP!
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| 21:15 | <jammcq> heh
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| 21:15 | very funny
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| 21:16 | <ChinaForge> i can't display all our talk message,why?
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| 21:16 | setting?
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| 21:16 | font?
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| 21:17 | <ChinaForge> now ok.
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| 21:20 | i can install 4.2 and 5 in one system?
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| 21:20 | <jammcq> yes
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| 21:20 | install it to /opt/ltsp-4.2
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| 21:20 | instead of /opt/ltsp
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| 21:21 | <ChinaForge> i try,thank you.
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| 21:24 | i use startx screen script no good too,
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| 21:24 | i use Thinkpad,
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| 21:25 | <jammcq> startx should be fine. BUT, use SCREEN_07, instead of SCREEN_01
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| 21:25 | <ChinaForge> in login window i can't input username and password.
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| 21:26 | must use SCREEN_07?
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| 21:26 | <jammcq> !sbalneav
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| 21:26 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:26 | <sbalneav> hey hey
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| 21:26 | <jammcq> now all I gotta do is setup a shortcut key, to do the '!sbalneav' thing
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| 21:26 | ltspbot s is sbalneav
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| 21:26 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
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| 21:27 | <jammcq> ltspbot help
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| 21:27 | <ltspbot> jammcq: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 21:28 | <jammcq> !s
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| 21:28 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is sbalneav
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| 21:28 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 21:28 | maybe later
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| 21:28 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: forget s
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| 21:28 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 21:29 | <jammcq> !s
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| 21:29 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn s as Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:29 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
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| 21:29 | sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 21:29 | <sbalneav> !s
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| 21:29 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:29 | <sbalneav> Howzzat?
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| 21:29 | <jammcq> heh
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| 21:30 | <agike> !s
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| 21:30 | <ltspbot> agike: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:30 | <sbalneav> What we need is a bot that looks for joins, and then issues a greeting.
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| 21:30 | <agike> heh
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| 21:30 | <sbalneav> We could call it "normbot"
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| 21:30 | <ChinaForge> jammcq,Thank you.
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| 21:30 | <agike> Yeah, but will it walk the dog .. ?
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| 21:31 | <jammcq> dunn
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| 21:31 | o
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| 21:32 | <ChinaForge> exit
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| 21:35 | <ChinaForge> startx screen script on SCREEN_07 is OK.
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| 21:45 | <vagrantc> we should probably start making a list of the features not yet implemented in ltsp5
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| 21:45 | that can turn into a TODO list
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| 21:45 | presuming we want it all.
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| 21:49 | <sbalneav> We want it all
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| 21:49 | We want it all
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| 21:49 | We want it all
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| 21:49 | And we want it now
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| 21:50 | (apologies to Freddie Mercury)
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| 21:52 | <jammcq> we are the champions
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| 21:54 | <sbalneav> aaand weeeeeeeeell keep on fiiiiiiiiighting, till the eeeeeeeeeeeend!!
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| 21:54 | <whiprush> sbalneav: don't quit your day job! :)
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| 21:54 | * sbalneav goes to check whiprush.org | |
| 21:55 | <sbalneav> Firefox can't find the server at www.whiprush.org.
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| 21:55 | <whiprush> that's a bummer.
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| 21:55 | <sbalneav> I'll say
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| 21:55 | <whiprush> sbalneav: jam been telling you how awesome ltsp has been for us this past month?
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> He's mentioned that you've had a certain degree of success
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| 21:56 | Liking it?
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| 21:56 | <whiprush> rocking and rolling.
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| 21:56 | expanding our deployment
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> Enjoying the taste of the kool-aid? :)
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| 21:58 | What programs are you mainly running? Student stuff like web + OO.o?
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| 21:58 | <whiprush> no, a bunch of engineering apps
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| 21:58 | close sourced stuff
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> Ah. Like what? Linux apps, or under wine?
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| 21:59 | <whiprush> linux apps, but like cad stuff
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| 21:59 | and others
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| 21:59 | matlab, marc mentat, unigraphics, comsol.
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> Nice.
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| 22:00 | <whiprush> I make custom icons on their desktop, they just execute.
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> Using Sabayon?
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| 22:00 | <whiprush> the platform stuff (ubuntu, ltsp, gnome, etc) just generally needs to be out of the way, which it does wonderfully.
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| 22:00 | I have sabayon with centralized profiles on a dev server, but not in production.
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| 22:01 | <sbalneav> Sabayon's quite spiffy.
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| 22:01 | <whiprush> indeed.
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| 22:01 | I have a new ltsp-dev environment with three servers, which I am managing with a tool called puppet.
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| 22:02 | once I get the kinks out I need to show this to you.
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| 22:02 | I have a PXE + preseed + puppet all tied together, so I can go from bare metal to full blown ltsp server in about ... 20 minutes.
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| 22:03 | with all the site specific goodies and everything
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| 22:04 | <sbalneav> Coolio
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| 22:04 | Sounds like it'd make a good blog entry. Go on, Bruce has faded back into obscurity :)
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| 23:02 | <Bhaskar> I have Xserver failed, how can i solve ? please any one can help me?
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| 23:05 | ogra, I have Xserver failed, how can i solve ? p
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| 23:07 | <sbalneav> Bhaskar: Which version of LTSP are you using, and on what distro?
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| 23:08 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, ltsp4.2
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| 23:08 | k12ltsp
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| 23:08 | i have FC5
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| 23:08 | <sbalneav> What does your lts.conf file look like?
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| 23:08 | Paste it to the pastebot
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| 23:08 | !pastebot
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| 23:08 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 23:10 | <japerry> heya, I've been working on trying to get LTSP 4.2 to work with sound all day, but the documentation on it is fairly sparce, anyone here know more about setting it up?
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| 23:14 | <sbalneav> Have you checked the wiki?
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| 23:14 | <japerry> yup
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| 23:14 | I keep seeing references to /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh (or ltsp_sound.sh)
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| 23:14 | <sbalneav> Everything you need's in there
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| 23:14 | <japerry> but I cannot find where to d/l that
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| 23:15 | <sbalneav> Should be a link to it on that page, I beleive
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| 23:15 | <japerry> ohh wait I might have found something
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| 23:15 | it'd be nice if old references could be changed to indicate what version of LTSP it goes it
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| 23:16 | s/it/to
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| 23:16 | <ltsppbot> "Bhaskar" pasted "Xserver problem" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/76
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| 23:16 | <sbalneav> It's a wiki, anyone can update it.
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| 23:17 | Bhaskar: That's not your lts.conf file.
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| 23:17 | <japerry> well, for example: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#NASD_ESD_and_ALSA
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| 23:18 | <sbalneav> From /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 23:18 | <japerry> doesn't indicate that it works for 4.2, the download is for 4.1
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| 23:18 | <sbalneav> Guess no-one's updated it.
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| 23:18 | We're working fairly hard on ltsp5
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> maybe someone should test that it works and update the wiki.
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| 23:20 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: is pulseaudio packaged for Debian?
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| 23:21 | Bhaskar: You need to paste your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file.
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| 23:24 | <ChinaForge> ltsp 4.2 and ltsp 5 in one system,work is good.
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| 23:25 | <ltsppbot> "Bhaskar" pasted "Xserver problem" (209 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/77
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yes. support for it in ltsp isn't.
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| 23:26 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, check it
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: no idea how well the pulseaudio in debian works ... i tried it once ... don't remember if i suceeded or not.
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| 23:27 | <sbalneav> Bhaskar: ok, so it's set to auto as a default, so the video card you have in there isn't autodetecting. What kind of video card do you have in the terminal?
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| 23:29 | <ChinaForge> hello,how can in ldm use chinese?
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| 23:29 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, i forget, how can i check video card?
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> On the terminal, you can do an lspci
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| 23:33 | ChinaForge: Good question. Don't know if LDM has the right input support.
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| 23:34 | <ChinaForge> i hope display only
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| 23:34 | <sbalneav> Bhaskar: Alternatively, you could try setting the XSERVER from "auto" to something like "vesa"
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| 23:35 | ChinaForge: Once you log in, do you get the chinese characters?
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| 23:35 | <ChinaForge> how to get the chinese characters?
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| 23:36 | <sbalneav> What linux distribution are you using?
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| 23:36 | <ChinaForge> ubuntu 6.10
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| 23:36 | <sbalneav> Have you installed the right language pack?
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| 23:37 | <ChinaForge> i think right.
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> Can you do a "dpkg -l | grep language-pack" for me?
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| 23:38 | <ChinaForge> ok
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| 23:39 | senhua@ubuntu610-server:~$ dpkg -l | grep language-pack
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| 23:39 | ii language-pack-en 6.10+20070311 translation updates for language English
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| 23:39 | ii language-pack-en-base 6.10+20061019 translations for language English
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| 23:39 | ii language-pack-gnome-en 6.10+20070311 GNOME translation updates for language Engli
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| 23:39 | ii language-pack-gnome-en-base 6.10+20061019 GNOME translations for language English
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| 23:39 | ii language-pack-gnome-zh 6.10+20070311 GNOME translation updates for language Chine
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| 23:39 | ii language-pack-gnome-zh-base 6.10+20061019 GNOME translations for language Chinese
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| 23:39 | ii language-pack-zh 6.10+20070311 translation updates for language Chinese
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| 23:39 | ii language-pack-zh-base 6.10+20061019 translations for language Chinese
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> ok, so you've got the chinese language loaded.
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| 23:40 | Can you see the chinese characters on the console?
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| 23:40 | <ChinaForge> yes
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> Can you see them on a terminal?
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| 23:41 | <ChinaForge> yes
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| 23:41 | can't ldm only.
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| 23:41 | <sbalneav> Then I'd expect that LDM itself simply hasn't been localized.
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| 23:41 | <ChinaForge> in select language,no chinese.
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| 23:42 | <sbalneav> Someone who speaks chinese will have to provide translations, so that the right strings can be printed for ldm/
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| 23:42 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, i change auto into vesa , in terminal one graphics containing Hz ? is moving, what is the problem
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| 23:43 | <sbalneav> Bhaskar: You're monitor is probably not syncing. What kind of monitor is it?
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| 23:43 | <ChinaForge> sbalneav,thank you.
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| 23:43 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, samsung
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| 23:43 | <sbalneav> That tells me nothing.
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| 23:44 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, samsung 591s
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| 23:44 | <sbalneav> Is it a flatpanel or a crt?
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| 23:44 | <Bhaskar> crt
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| 23:45 | <sbalneav> What kind of resolution is it capable of displaying?
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| 23:45 | 1024x768?
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| 23:45 | 800x600?
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| 23:45 | etc.
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| 23:45 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, 800x600 and 640x480
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> ok, then you'll probably need to add a line like X_MODE_0 = 800x600
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| 23:50 | That help at all?
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| 23:51 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, i addedbut not solved
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| 23:53 | <sbalneav> So, what does it say now?
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| 23:53 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, same problem
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| 23:54 | sbalneav, Hz ? moving on terminal
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| 23:54 | <sbalneav> What happens if you hit control-alt-keypad-+
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| 23:55 | i.e. the + on the numeric keypad of your computer.
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| 23:55 | <Bhaskar> sbalneav, i uncoment line 85 hz resolution and X_MODE_0=800x600
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| 23:56 | thanks
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| 23:56 | sbalneav, i got success
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| 23:56 | <sbalneav> ok, so what resolution does it look like?
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