IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 November 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | vagrantc has quit IRC | |
| 00:10 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 00:29 | Egyptian[Home]1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 00:29 | Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC | |
| 00:49 | F-GT has joined #ltsp | |
| 00:51 | mikkel has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:30 | alkisg_work has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:44 | <FrozenZia> alkisg_work: alright, back at work this morning, rebooted my client, got the busybox again, and gave the nbd-client command...
| |
| 01:44 | then exit,
| |
| 01:45 | (got the same response from the nbd-client command as before - unknown partition table)
| |
| 01:46 | <alkisg_work> FrozenZia: ok, and? no other error messages?
| |
| 01:46 | It just hang there?
| |
| 01:46 | <FrozenZia> and after the exit, get: aufs test_add:242:exe[318]: uid/gid/perm /rofs 0/0/0755, 0/0/01777
| |
| 01:46 | mount: mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
| |
| 01:47 | <alkisg_work> aufs?? I don't think we're using aufs...
| |
| 01:47 | Anyway, I think you should file a bug in launchpad with all that info
| |
| 01:49 | <FrozenZia> What I find interesting, is that this same client, same server, but with a slightly different network setup, WORKED earlier.
| |
| 01:51 | It was just that with that setup I had both nics on the same subnet, and 2 dhcp servers on the same network, etc., etc... This current setup is I guess more *CORRECT*, but doesn't seem to be working.
| |
| 01:57 | <cyberorg> that explains that there is no bug, just configuration mistake somewhere
| |
| 02:07 | <elias_a_> FrozenZia: You seem to have caught the infection :)
| |
| 02:07 | FrozenZia: Have you at least been outdoors during the weekend? ;-)
| |
| 02:16 | <FrozenZia> elias_a_: of course! A friend and my son went to have a smoke sauna on Saturday, and although the snow was a bit thin for rolling around, I did stand out in the yard and rub down with it, so I at least spent that much time outdoors!
| |
| 02:17 | cyberorg: I'd concur. I'm thinking my best option at this point may be to just "start from scratch"
| |
| 02:24 | <elias_a_> FrozenZia: Good for you! I went sailing on Saturday :)
| |
| 02:39 | lupine_85_ is now known as lupine_85 | |
| 03:06 | seppl has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:08 | Lumiere has quit IRC | |
| 03:08 | Lumiere has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:12 | yanu has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:20 | yanu has quit IRC | |
| 03:42 | alkisg_work has left #ltsp | |
| 04:13 | <lupine_85> possibly not an ltsp-specific problem - but I can't sem to get Xv working on my thin clients, getting: X11 error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
| |
| 04:19 | * lupine_85 reckons it's nouveau's fault | |
| 04:20 | artista_frustrad has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:26 | <lupine_85> or not, nouveau seems to have xv support fine
| |
| 04:38 | <FrozenZia> after running apt-get dist-upgrade, I *do* need to run update-image and reboot terminals, right?
| |
| 04:39 | <lupine_85> in the chroot? yes
| |
| 04:39 | (also, nouveau is indeed the issue. Xv works as long as xcompmgr is running)
| |
| 04:45 | <FrozenZia> lupine_85: umm. I think not - I just did that as privileged user - didn
| |
| 04:45 | 't do any chroot commands or anything before that.
| |
| 04:46 | <lupine_85> then you've not touched the chroot in /opt/ltsp/<arch>/ so you don't need to do lts-update-image
| |
| 04:46 | although you should probably run a dist-upgrade in there too, and /then./ do an update-image
| |
| 04:54 | <FrozenZia> I'm completely new at this, but when I got my 1st client working, I immediately went to try YouTube. It didn't work.
| |
| 04:55 | I went to my server, got the proper packages and stuff to get it work -- just using the privileged user again -- and after lts-update-image, all was good.
| |
| 04:56 | Is the proper method to do all updates, etc... in chroot?
| |
| 04:56 | ...and if so, why did this other method work?
| |
| 04:57 | <lupine_85> you need to install package updates in both the chroot and the main system
| |
| 04:58 | the chroot is minimal and contains basically no programs - it just gets the thin clients up and able to run programs (like firefox) from the main system
| |
| 04:58 | any changes you make to the main system are immediately visible to the clients. if you change the chroot, you have to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the clients before they'll see it
| |
| 04:58 | generally, that's not something you have to do much of, unless you're using local apps
| |
| 04:59 | <FrozenZia> So if I want all terms to be able to use Thunderbird, I don't have to install it in the chroot, just the main system?
| |
| 05:06 | <lupine_85> that's right
| |
| 05:07 | and after installing it on the main system, you don't have to run ltsp-update-image
| |
| 05:10 | artista_frustrad has quit IRC | |
| 05:26 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:56 | <elias_a_> Yep - Even the "your battery seems to be almost dead" -nofications are visible to clients when I'm running clients on a laptop server :)
| |
| 06:21 | pmatulis has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:33 | Selveste1 has quit IRC | |
| 06:43 | scottmaccal has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:55 | seppl has left #ltsp | |
| 07:07 | cyberorg has quit IRC | |
| 07:11 | cyberorg has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:25 | mikkel has quit IRC | |
| 07:34 | Selveste1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:35 | Selveste1 has quit IRC | |
| 07:35 | Selveste1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:44 | maginot has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:47 | <tarzeau> hello
| |
| 07:47 | does anyone run ltsp clients on squeeze already?
| |
| 07:49 | toddobryan has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:51 | <toddobryan> Help! Clients that were working on Friday suddenly aren't this morning.
| |
| 07:52 | The student logs in, it looks like it's going to work, then it goes back to the login screen.
| |
| 07:52 | I thought the problem was this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/463369
| |
| 07:53 | But changing the compiz script doesn't solve it. (Plus, I don't have an ati graphics card in the clients.)
| |
| 07:55 | Selveste1 has quit IRC | |
| 08:01 | <alkisg> toddobryan: look at ~/.xsession-errors
| |
| 08:03 | <toddobryan> Actually, I just tried logging in on a client and the .xsession-errors file is empty.
| |
| 08:03 | (But it didn't work.)
| |
| 08:04 | <alkisg> Try to put SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm, to see the ldm logs locally
| |
| 08:04 | (in lts.conf)
| |
| 08:05 | <toddobryan> Where exactly is lts.conf?
| |
| 08:05 | <alkisg> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
| |
| 08:05 | If it doesn't exist, create one, with the following contents:
| |
| 08:05 | [Default]
| |
| 08:05 | SCREEN_02=shell
| |
| 08:05 | SCREEN_07=ldm
| |
| 08:06 | and reboot the client, and switch to the console with alt+ctrl+f2
| |
| 08:06 | and see /var/log/ldm.log...
| |
| 08:07 | <toddobryan> Rebooting now...
| |
| 08:12 | OK. It says XSession beginning...
| |
| 08:12 | Then XSession ending...
| |
| 08:13 | <alkisg> Does the server have a monitor? Are you able to login locally there?
| |
| 08:13 | <toddobryan> Yep.
| |
| 08:13 | And it works fine for users there.
| |
| 08:14 | It says the processes exit with status 0, which is no errors, right?
| |
| 08:14 | <alkisg> Yeah...
| |
| 08:15 | <toddobryan> And, as I said, they worked fine on Friday, so it has to have been an update since then.
| |
| 08:15 | <alkisg> Hmmm want to try XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf, to see if it makes any difference?
| |
| 08:15 | <toddobryan> I guess I could reinstall the original server CD and not update it.
| |
| 08:15 | Yeah, I'll try that.
| |
| 08:16 | Rebooting again...
| |
| 08:16 | mikkel has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:26 | <toddobryan> Sorry. My classes just changed, so I'm dealing with getting the next class doing something.
| |
| 08:29 | <johnny> alkisg, we should do a poll somehow
| |
| 08:29 | find out how many people who use ltsp also need/want an lts.conf
| |
| 08:29 | <alkisg> toddobryan: Take your take, don't worry :)
| |
| 08:29 | <johnny> to see if we should put one in there by default
| |
| 08:29 | <alkisg> johnny: all? :D
| |
| 08:29 | primeministerp has quit IRC | |
| 08:29 | <johnny> well.. it's truly hard to measure..
| |
| 08:29 | <alkisg> I don't know anyone that uses ltsp for more than 1 month and doesn't want an lts.conf...
| |
| 08:30 | <johnny> then.. we should really put on in htere by default, especially on ubuntu..
| |
| 08:30 | <alkisg> First of all, most of the people put LDM_DIRECTX=True there
| |
| 08:30 | Yes, we should - even if only a commented example, like dnsmasq.conf
| |
| 08:30 | But it shouldn't be a conffile, because it would be problematic on upgrades
| |
| 08:31 | The postinst script should just create an lts.conf if one doesn't exist already
| |
| 08:32 | <toddobryan> OK. With XSERVER=vesa, it doesn't work at all.
| |
| 08:32 | <alkisg> Heh :)
| |
| 08:32 | <toddobryan> I just get a blinking white line instead of the login screen.
| |
| 08:33 | <alkisg> OK, remove it then. Weird though, I haven't yet seen any client that breaks with vesa graphics...
| |
| 08:33 | Try to ask again later on, when (more of) the devs will be here, or file a bug in launchpad... :-/
| |
| 08:37 | <johnny> /me whines about nvidia again
| |
| 08:37 | uggh.. it sucks to have to use non free drivers :(
| |
| 08:37 | <toddobryan> I think I've got Cirrus...
| |
| 08:37 | knipwim_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:37 | <alkisg> Woah the ancient one?
| |
| 08:38 | I think I tried a cirrus 5446 or something last year, it worked slow but OK otherwise...
| |
| 08:38 | <toddobryan> It's a Via cpu with onboard graphics...
| |
| 08:38 | I had to add something to the blacklist with 9.04...
| |
| 08:39 | OK. I think I'm going to re-install from the CD, just so my classes can happen today.
| |
| 08:40 | <alkisg> Well, if you have a partition to spare, use a different partition
| |
| 08:41 | * alkisg always keeps an older, working installation, for such problems that bring down the whole lab... | |
| 08:43 | <Appiah> backup? :)
| |
| 08:45 | <toddobryan> alkisg: How do you do that?
| |
| 08:45 | I've got "/" and "/home" on separate partitions, but how would I set up two partitions that it could boot from?
| |
| 08:45 | <alkisg> sda1 = /
| |
| 08:45 | (e.g. jaunty)
| |
| 08:45 | <johnny> / is relative..
| |
| 08:46 | <alkisg> sda2 = / (karmic)
| |
| 08:46 | sda3 = home
| |
| 08:46 | sda4 = backup or swap...
| |
| 08:46 | <toddobryan> Then how do you choose which one to boot from?
| |
| 08:46 | <alkisg> So when Karmic comes out, I install to sda2 instead of upgrading jaunty
| |
| 08:46 | From grub
| |
| 08:46 | <toddobryan> Oh, of course.
| |
| 08:46 | Duh!
| |
| 08:47 | <alkisg> This way I can see if Karmic is ready for my lab, and if it breaks, I can switch to my old installation in 1 sec
| |
| 08:47 | <toddobryan> I never use grub, because I only have one / partition.
| |
| 08:47 | <johnny> i personally use vm for that
| |
| 08:47 | yes you do
| |
| 08:47 | you must use a bootloader
| |
| 08:47 | either grub or lilo
| |
| 08:47 | <toddobryan> Well, I mean I never change grub. I just let it go by...
| |
| 08:47 | <johnny> if you install ubuntu you get grub
| |
| 08:47 | yeah.. you would just pick a different one from the menu
| |
| 08:48 | <toddobryan> I actually put /boot on its own partition, because / is on a RAID.
| |
| 08:48 | Would I need separate /boots, too?
| |
| 08:48 | <alkisg> Well you can have almost any number of partitions... so no problem there
| |
| 08:48 | <johnny> no
| |
| 08:48 | <alkisg> No no one /boot is enough
| |
| 08:49 | <johnny> your boot would just need to be big enough
| |
| 08:49 | knipwim has quit IRC | |
| 08:49 | <toddobryan> OK. Now to figure out what I'm doing for the next hour.
| |
| 08:49 | CAN-o-SPAM has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:50 | <toddobryan> Thanks! I'll be back...
| |
| 08:54 | Hyperbyte has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:54 | dtrask has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:04 | svenl has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:05 | <johnny> is the linkedin group for ltsp meant for tech support?
| |
| 09:05 | i didn't think it was
| |
| 09:05 | but iwant to make sure
| |
| 09:06 | <dtrask> Not much help on #ubuntu....asking here just in case anyone can help. My issue: Users and Groups has 3 users...student...teacher...and netbook (the admin user). I launch...unlock and proceed to change the "student" password. Everything appears to work....yet the student password never gets changed. Any ideas on what to look for?
| |
| 09:06 | any logs or files to look at?
| |
| 09:06 | I'm at a loss here
| |
| 09:06 | <johnny> dtrask, does it work if you do passwd manually?
| |
| 09:06 | without the gui
| |
| 09:06 | <dtrask> johnny: yes....that's what's stumping me
| |
| 09:06 | <johnny> if so.. you found a bug
| |
| 09:07 | probably some policykit issue then
| |
| 09:07 | nothing we can do here
| |
| 09:08 | <alkisg> dtrask: users-admin is very sensitive to the passwd formatting
| |
| 09:08 | <johnny> alkisg, what does that mean?
| |
| 09:08 | <alkisg> E.g. if you have a blank password, and mark it with a * instead of !, then it fails to create new users
| |
| 09:08 | To see the problem, run users-admin from a terminal. This way you'll be able to see the users-admin debug output
| |
| 09:09 | <johnny> mark it with a *?
| |
| 09:09 | i had problems creating a user myself..
| |
| 09:09 | <dtrask> ooooh.....would it be sensitive to "toughness" of password?
| |
| 09:09 | <johnny> dtrask, shouldn't be any more senstive to toughness than passwd..
| |
| 09:09 | <dtrask> aka "strength"?
| |
| 09:09 | <johnny> otherwise that sounds like a bug
| |
| 09:09 | <alkisg> I've seen a lot of things that users-admin doesn't like in /etc/passwd, but no, password strength isn't one of them
| |
| 09:09 | Weird chars, empty lines etc
| |
| 09:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all :)
| |
| 09:10 | <alkisg> Run it from the console, do what you do, and post what it tells you to pastebot
| |
| 09:11 | Hi _UsUrPeR_
| |
| 09:12 | "(05:06:50 μμ) alkisg: dtrask: users-admin is very sensitive to the passwd formatting" ==> I meant the /etc/passwd file there, not the password itself
| |
| 09:12 | <sbalneav> Morning all
| |
| 09:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> !s
| |
| 09:13 | <alkisg> Hi sbalneav
| |
| 09:13 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| |
| 09:13 | <alkisg> !karma sbalneav
| |
| 09:13 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Karma for "sbalneav" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8.
| |
| 09:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: karma?
| |
| 09:13 | <alkisg> Well... ask the bot maintainer :D
| |
| 09:14 | johnny has left #ltsp | |
| 09:14 | <dtrask> alkisg: aahhhh
| |
| 09:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> !karma CAN-o-SPAM
| |
| 09:14 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: CAN-o-SPAM has neutral karma.
| |
| 09:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> !karma _UsUrPeR_
| |
| 09:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> boo! :(
| |
| 09:14 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: _UsUrPeR_ has neutral karma.
| |
| 09:14 | <alkisg> !_UsUrPeR_++
| |
| 09:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> wtf :)
| |
| 09:14 | <alkisg> !karma _UsUrPeR_
| |
| 09:14 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Karma for "_UsUrPeR_" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
| |
| 09:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
| |
| 09:14 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: no one's ever ++'d you
| |
| 09:15 | <alkisg> !_UsUrPeR_--
| |
| 09:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
| |
| 09:15 | <alkisg> !karma _UsUrPeR_
| |
| 09:15 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Karma for "_UsUrPeR_" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0.
| |
| 09:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh man, you're screwing up my chi
| |
| 09:15 | <alkisg> Heh - I just put things where I found them :D
| |
| 09:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, but now I have 50% bad feedback. I don't buy from people like that on Ebay :(
| |
| 09:16 | <sbalneav> Yeah, it's a tough life.
| |
| 09:16 | * _UsUrPeR_ will be reincarnated as a snail | |
| 09:17 | dro has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:17 | <alkisg> !alkisg--
| |
| 09:17 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
| |
| 09:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> !alkisg--
| |
| 09:17 | <alkisg> !karma alkisg
| |
| 09:17 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Karma for "alkisg" has been increased 1 time and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -1.
| |
| 09:17 | <alkisg> ;)
| |
| 09:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> It's a karma war
| |
| 09:18 | johnny has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:18 | <alkisg> Hey!!! Who decreased me the second time?
| |
| 09:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> haha oh wow. Karma ninja? :)
| |
| 09:18 | <sbalneav> Geez, if people are gonna be little kids with this, I'm gonna freakin take it off.
| |
| 09:19 | <CAN-o-SPAM> don't make sbalneav take snack time and extra recess away, everyone relax :)
| |
| 09:19 | <alkisg> Well, we can't ever get to the first place, so why bother with karma at all? :D
| |
| 09:20 | !karma jammcq
| |
| 09:20 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Karma for "jammcq" has been increased 8192 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8192.
| |
| 09:20 | <alkisg> See? :)
| |
| 09:20 | <sbalneav> Because I caught some moron --'ing jammcq
| |
| 09:20 | and I won't stand for that.
| |
| 09:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> wait what?
| |
| 09:21 | probably the same guy who hit ltsp.org
| |
| 09:21 | <johnny> /me doesn't see exactly what the benefit of karma is anyways
| |
| 09:22 | <sbalneav> I had kind of hoped it would be a way for people who received help from members in the channel to give them a "thabnk you"
| |
| 09:23 | <johnny> i don't think people will do that anyways
| |
| 09:23 | not unless it is built into the interface
| |
| 09:23 | which is something i'd like to do
| |
| 09:23 | <alkisg> Hmmm you should have named it "beer" or "lobster" then... e.g. /beer alkisg, /lobster sbalneav... ;)
| |
| 09:23 | <johnny> too bad freenode doesn't really use xmpp :(
| |
| 09:24 | major difference with nouveau performance and nvidia 173xx driver performance
| |
| 09:25 | scrolling a page in firefox would spike the cpu with nouveau
| |
| 09:25 | for as long as i was scrolling that is
| |
| 09:26 | there's a tiny spike when i start.. but it goes back to normal right away
| |
| 09:26 | <alkisg> At least the nouveau drivers have xv... while the nv drivers don't
| |
| 09:33 | coordinador has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:34 | <coordinador> Hi, i dont have sound, the last week i killed the sound volume applet because it used too much cpu and now i dont have sound (in server)
| |
| 09:35 | in terminals i have sound
| |
| 09:35 | kbelecke has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:39 | <sbalneav> coordinador: not unusual.
| |
| 09:39 | Brian_H has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:39 | <sbalneav> sometimes the sound setup for a user can get mucked up if they've logged in on a thin client, then log in on the console.
| |
| 09:39 | My advice: don't log in on the console.
| |
| 09:40 | leave the console alone, if the teacher needs to log in, give THEM a thin client.
| |
| 09:40 | <coordinador> the console you mean the server, right?
| |
| 09:40 | <sbalneav> right.
| |
| 09:41 | <coordinador> the problem is that for some reason the terminals have a "conflict" with the vga multiplexer, and it doesnt turn on :S
| |
| 09:41 | *power on
| |
| 09:41 | so, i bought a usb audio adapter for the server
| |
| 09:41 | <kbelecke> hello i have a problem with configure my ltsp/dhcp.conf maybe someone can help me. i have 2 network cards inside my server eth1 for internet connected to my router on 192.168.0.1 netmask 225.225.225.0 and eth0 for my clients with the static ip 192.168.3.1 and netmask 255.255.255.224 now i dont now how to configure my dhcpd.conf. here my config on nopaste: http://nopaste.info/29d11d47e9.html i hope someone can help me :)
| |
| 09:41 | <sbalneav> what vga multiplexer?
| |
| 09:43 | <coordinador> sbalneav, omg! it worked! :S i entered to alsamixer and despite the volume was to 100% the Mute was active :S i dont know why, but, well... i will reboot and see if it worked forever
| |
| 09:43 | thank you for your advice anyway, i will keep in mind at the other servers
| |
| 09:44 | i will reboot now, thank you again, bye
| |
| 09:44 | coordinador has quit IRC | |
| 09:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> kbelecke: Looking at your dhcpd.conf
| |
| 09:45 | kbelecke: The subnet and range have to reflect your eth0 IP address (i.e. 192.168.3.xxx)
| |
| 09:45 | <alkisg> kbelecke: any particular reason for using 255.255.255.225 for the clients, instead of 255.255.255.0 ?
| |
| 09:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> woop. nm, I see what you did there
| |
| 09:46 | <kbelecke> alkisg: no
| |
| 09:46 | <alkisg> Well then just change it back to 255.255.255.0, and change all occurances of 192.168.0 to 192.168.3, and comment out next-server
| |
| 09:46 | Selveste1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:47 | <alkisg> Then sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart, and you should be ready.
| |
| 09:47 | <kbelecke> alkisg: 255.255.255.0 is the netmask for eth1 is there no problem to use it for the clients too?
| |
| 09:48 | because the clients are on eth0
| |
| 09:48 | <alkisg> kbelecke: no, they're on a different subnet
| |
| 09:49 | jammcq has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:49 | <jammcq> bom dia meu amigos
| |
| 09:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> jammcq: morning
| |
| 09:50 | <jammcq> hey _UsUrPeR_
| |
| 09:50 | <kbelecke> alkisg: ok the dhcp server is starting without a failure. thx for help i want to report when the first client is running :)
| |
| 09:51 | <alkisg> ok, np :)
| |
| 09:51 | <kbelecke> thy _UsUrPeR_
| |
| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> kbelecke: :) gl dude
| |
| 09:52 | rjune has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:53 | <FrozenZia> oh, yeah, btw, now I wish I'd somehow copied all my configuration files beforehand, but after a re-install of edubuntu 9.10 with my network cables correctly set up, etc... My client is booting up just fine, and all seems to be working!
| |
| 09:53 | So thanks to alkisg and all who tried to help me before.
| |
| 09:53 | <alkisg> FrozenZia: well at least now you have a more "correct" setup ;)
| |
| 09:58 | <toddobryan> OK, I'm about to wipe out my current setup and revert to see if a problem will go away. Do I just need copies of /etc/shadow, /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/gshadow to be able to restore all the users?
| |
| 09:59 | <alkisg> You'll reinstall? Then AFAIK you can't just copy those files over the new ones, because many system users and groups don't have a fixed uid/gid.
| |
| 10:00 | <toddobryan> OK. I suppose I can just grab the user accounts and leave the system accounts alone.
| |
| 10:00 | I don't want to recreate 150 student accounts.
| |
| 10:02 | <alkisg> I've made a pygtk app to backup and restore users (and export/import from .csv), but unfortunately it's in greek.. :-/ http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2181.0;attach=1091;image
| |
| 10:02 | mushroomtwo is now known as mushroomblue | |
| 10:02 | <alkisg> You could blindly click the menus though, if you want :)
| |
| 10:06 | primeministerp has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:12 | shawnp0wers has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:15 | <johnny> i am just too good at megaman2
| |
| 10:16 | that game set the standard for videogame music imo
| |
| 10:19 | staffencasa has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:23 | dtrask has quit IRC | |
| 10:26 | maginot has quit IRC | |
| 10:29 | <kbelecke> alkisg: when i want to start my testclient i get this message: Waiting for /dev to be fully populated .. [ 12.0894411] hdd: drive not ready for command <-- some ideas?
| |
| 10:30 | oh sorry it works i only have to wait a few times
| |
| 10:30 | :)
| |
| 10:30 | <alkisg> :)
| |
| 10:31 | <kbelecke> alkisg: thank you again im so lucky xD it works xD :)
| |
| 10:43 | Gadi has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:44 | yanu has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:47 | maginot has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:00 | Kicer86 has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:03 | kbelecke has quit IRC | |
| 11:12 | rjune has quit IRC | |
| 11:12 | <sbalneav> win 3
| |
| 11:13 | <squarepeg> ?
| |
| 11:13 | oprah win 3?
| |
| 11:14 | <sbalneav> nah, forgot to put the / in front
| |
| 11:14 | for me in irssi, ltsp is win 2 edubuntu is win 3
| |
| 11:15 | <jammcq> I just use Alt-1, Alt-2, Alt-3 to move between the windows
| |
| 11:15 | in irssi
| |
| 11:17 | <FrozenZia> alright - please allow me to ask another rtfm question, and please feel free to point me in the direction of said "m"...
| |
| 11:17 | what is the proper way to be sure the chroot has all the latest sw-updates?
| |
| 11:18 | (hopefully that question was at least framed correctly)
| |
| 11:22 | <johnny> you don't really have to do it
| |
| 11:22 | <sbalneav> jammcq: yeah, that works, if you only have one tab open in gnome terminal
| |
| 11:22 | <johnny> FrozenZia, i wouldn't be concerned
| |
| 11:22 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
| |
| 11:22 | <sbalneav> unfortunately, I also have multiple tabs in gnome-term
| |
| 11:22 | <johnny> unless you really need it..
| |
| 11:22 | <sbalneav> and unless you rework you keybindings, that changes your tabs
| |
| 11:22 | and I'm too lazy :)
| |
| 11:23 | jammcq: Hey, how do I dump a copy of the upstream docs up on the wiki now?
| |
| 11:23 | they're a pdf
| |
| 11:23 | <FrozenZia> alkisg: tx - that's what I was looking at, but it seemed too complicated - I figured surely there's an easier way with 9.10
| |
| 11:24 | <jammcq> sbalneav: how many pdf files?
| |
| 11:26 | <sbalneav> Just one, but I update it about once a month
| |
| 11:27 | <jammcq> there's a "Upload File" link on Mediawiki
| |
| 11:28 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
| |
| 11:28 | I'll do it that way.
| |
| 11:30 | <johnny> you don't really have to do it FrozenZia
| |
| 11:30 | unless you're doing local apps
| |
| 11:40 | <dro> jammcq: ltsp.org looking good on sourceforge :P
| |
| 11:42 | jammcq: however a lot of the links under documentation don't work
| |
| 11:44 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 11:45 | <jammcq> dro: yep
| |
| 11:45 | Ahmuck-Jr has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:45 | <jammcq> every day, I try to clean up some of them
| |
| 11:45 | TomRIddle1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:45 | <sbalneav> jammcq:
| |
| 11:45 | Upload file
| |
| 11:45 | From ltsp
| |
| 11:45 | Jump to: navigation, search
| |
| 11:45 | Upload warning
| |
| 11:46 | ".pdf" is not a permitted file type. Permitted file types are png, gif, jpg, jpeg, svg.
| |
| 11:46 | <jammcq> hmm
| |
| 11:46 | maybe there's a way to embed a pdf on a page
| |
| 11:46 | <dro> jammcq: you are the man, ty
| |
| 11:48 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:56 | squarepeg has quit IRC | |
| 11:56 | squarepeg has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:00 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, I think your PDF files are supposed to go through the SF File release system (FRS)
| |
| 12:00 | upload to that, then you should be able to include a link in the Documentation page, pointing to the uploaded file
| |
| 12:00 | alincoln has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:03 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:03 | primeministerp has quit IRC | |
| 12:07 | spectra has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:07 | primeministerp has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:27 | primeministerp has quit IRC | |
| 12:30 | Ahmuck-Jr has quit IRC | |
| 12:30 | primeministerp has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:47 | wwwood has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:47 | wwwood has left #ltsp | |
| 12:59 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:01 | TomRIddle1 has quit IRC | |
| 13:04 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Not sure where that is...
| |
| 13:06 | <jammcq> sbalneav: you need a "sourceforge" account
| |
| 13:06 | and then I need to attach that account to LTSP
| |
| 13:06 | and then grant you admin rights
| |
| 13:06 | and then you can upload files to the FRS
| |
| 13:06 | <sbalneav> ok, I have an account, sbalneav
| |
| 13:07 | <jammcq> ok, now I need to make you a "release tech"
| |
| 13:07 | Kicer86 has quit IRC | |
| 13:08 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ok, you have full powers
| |
| 13:08 | use them wisely
| |
| 13:09 | Kicer86 has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:15 | scottmaccal has quit IRC | |
| 13:15 | scottmaccal has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:27 | <shawnp0wers> Hello all -- I have an interesting problem, that may be a bug...
| |
| 13:28 | I'm running LTSP5 in Ubuntu 9.10
| |
| 13:28 | And when just "double-clicking" on a file which is mapped to a localapp
| |
| 13:28 | for some reason files with spaces dont' work
| |
| 13:28 | ie, if the file name is "The Video.ogv"
| |
| 13:29 | double clicking forces gnome-mplayer (my local app) to try to open /home/user/Video.ogv
| |
| 13:29 | I'm assuming it's an escaped space problem, but dunno where to begin to look...
| |
| 13:30 | * sbalneav shakes fist at spaces in file names. | |
| 13:30 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: I kinda doubt it is trying to open your localapp
| |
| 13:30 | unless you associated it with your local app
| |
| 13:30 | <shawnp0wers> I removed totem
| |
| 13:31 | and don't have gnome-mplayer installed on the server, only in the chroot
| |
| 13:31 | so I'm pretty sure it's running the localapp
| |
| 13:31 | ;)
| |
| 13:31 | <Gadi> and it actually launches gnome-mplayer?
| |
| 13:31 | <shawnp0wers> yes
| |
| 13:31 | <Gadi> weird
| |
| 13:31 | <shawnp0wers> only if I remove totem though
| |
| 13:31 | which iswhat I was hoping for...
| |
| 13:32 | <Gadi> well, ltsp-localapps (in /usr/bin) only accepts a single argument
| |
| 13:32 | <shawnp0wers> hmm...
| |
| 13:32 | <Gadi> if you like, you can try changing the $1 to "$@"
| |
| 13:32 | <shawnp0wers> where would I do that?
| |
| 13:33 | <Gadi> it is a simple shell script
| |
| 13:33 | cp /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps.orig
| |
| 13:33 | vi /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps
| |
| 13:33 | <shawnp0wers> OH, gotcha
| |
| 13:33 | <Gadi> that executable was originally intended to be an *example* ;)
| |
| 13:34 | <shawnp0wers> nope, same thing
| |
| 13:34 | any way to put a ' in there maybe
| |
| 13:34 | I can play around a bit
| |
| 13:35 | Gadi: xprop is a bit over my head, what exactly is the "$*" doing at the end there?
| |
| 13:36 | actually, I sadly have no idea what that script does... lol
| |
| 13:36 | <Gadi> hehe
| |
| 13:36 | so, here's the deal
| |
| 13:36 | <shawnp0wers> THere must be some way to encase the $1 argument in quotes though
| |
| 13:36 | <Gadi> we tell the local app to launch by setting an xatom with xprop
| |
| 13:36 | <shawnp0wers> (it is just one file, but it has spaces)
| |
| 13:37 | <Gadi> which is just an arbitrary field in the Xclient
| |
| 13:37 | <shawnp0wers> can an xprop have spaces?
| |
| 13:37 | <Gadi> then, ltsp-localappsd on the client reads it
| |
| 13:37 | and executes the contents of the field
| |
| 13:37 | lemme look at the code
| |
| 13:38 | ah, there ya go
| |
| 13:38 | so, ltsp-localapps will set, for example:
| |
| 13:39 | LTSP_COMMAND="gnome-mplayer My Movie.ogv"
| |
| 13:39 | <shawnp0wers> I see
| |
| 13:39 | <Gadi> and ltsp-localappsd will try to execute:
| |
| 13:39 | gnome-mplayer My Movie.ogv
| |
| 13:39 | no good
| |
| 13:39 | <shawnp0wers> which runs gnome-mplayer, happily playing BOTH movie files
| |
| 13:39 | one of which isn't a file
| |
| 13:39 | and the other one which isn't named right
| |
| 13:39 | <Gadi> right
| |
| 13:39 | <shawnp0wers> :)
| |
| 13:40 | any simple fixes?
| |
| 13:40 | I mean, single quotes come to mind.... but I'm not sure how to set them
| |
| 13:41 | <Gadi> hmm...
| |
| 13:41 | <shawnp0wers> (lol! Yes, in fact gnome-mplayer created a very nice, completely useless playlist...)
| |
| 13:43 | On a side note, it's very cool that ubuntu automatically chooses ltsp-localapps gnome-mplayer as the default media player when totem is removed.
| |
| 13:44 | <Gadi> try this:
| |
| 13:44 | actually, one sec
| |
| 13:44 | Ill post something
| |
| 13:44 | <shawnp0wers> awesome!
| |
| 13:47 | Gadi: Just to clarify, will you send me a link as to where you post it? ;)
| |
| 13:48 | <Gadi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/320228/
| |
| 13:48 | try that
| |
| 13:48 | for ltsp-localapps
| |
| 13:51 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/320234/
| |
| 13:51 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: hmm...
| |
| 13:52 | update?
| |
| 13:52 | <Gadi> that one's a bit better
| |
| 13:52 | <shawnp0wers> heheh, ok, last one didn't work -- trying new one now
| |
| 13:55 | <Gadi> anything?
| |
| 13:55 | <shawnp0wers> no -- trying to figure if it's somethign I messed up or not...
| |
| 13:56 | ok, no -- for some reason it does nothing
| |
| 13:57 | no error messages, but nothing starts
| |
| 13:57 | <Gadi> can you try running from a terminal window?
| |
| 13:57 | <shawnp0wers> I did
| |
| 13:57 | <Gadi> ah
| |
| 13:57 | <shawnp0wers> put it in quotes...
| |
| 13:57 | the file name
| |
| 13:57 | full path
| |
| 13:57 | <Gadi> what if you just do: ltsp-localapps gnome-mplayer
| |
| 13:57 | <shawnp0wers> but it won't even work with other files now
| |
| 13:57 | hang on, good idea
| |
| 13:57 | ;)
| |
| 13:58 | with no arguements, the program does start
| |
| 13:59 | <Gadi> did you just download the file from the paste?
| |
| 13:59 | <shawnp0wers> no, copy pasted
| |
| 13:59 | I can try to download it... in case I got odd characters I suppose
| |
| 14:00 | scottmaccal has quit IRC | |
| 14:00 | <shawnp0wers> nope, no dice...
| |
| 14:00 | file is executable, etc
| |
| 14:00 | and again, without arguements it starts the program
| |
| 14:01 | maginot has quit IRC | |
| 14:01 | <Gadi> ah
| |
| 14:01 | it does
| |
| 14:01 | good
| |
| 14:01 | sorry - misread that does part
| |
| 14:01 | :)
| |
| 14:01 | <shawnp0wers> oh. :)
| |
| 14:01 | <Gadi> ok, well thats good - in a way
| |
| 14:01 | one sec...
| |
| 14:04 | shawnp0wers: can you enable remote logging of syslog
| |
| 14:04 | ?
| |
| 14:04 | <shawnp0wers> hmm... not without a bit of googling
| |
| 14:04 | :D
| |
| 14:04 | <Gadi> hehe
| |
| 14:04 | ls /etc/default /*syslog*
| |
| 14:05 | actually
| |
| 14:05 | vi /etc/default/syslogd
| |
| 14:05 | and add a "-r" to the options
| |
| 14:05 | and then, restart the syslog service
| |
| 14:06 | <shawnp0wers> hmm... no such file
| |
| 14:08 | ok done
| |
| 14:08 | :)
| |
| 14:08 | (had to install syslogd)
| |
| 14:08 | <Gadi> ah
| |
| 14:08 | hmmm
| |
| 14:08 | ok
| |
| 14:08 | well, hopefully thats all safe and such
| |
| 14:08 | :)
| |
| 14:09 | tail /var/log/syslog
| |
| 14:09 | or tail -f
| |
| 14:09 | and try to run a localapp
| |
| 14:09 | it should report stuff to syslog
| |
| 14:10 | <shawnp0wers> hmm... no. Do I need to point my thin client environment to the syslogd server?
| |
| 14:11 | <Gadi> you may need to reboot it
| |
| 14:11 | the thin client, that is
| |
| 14:13 | <shawnp0wers> sadly, even on reboot I get nothing from localapps
| |
| 14:13 | I see the nbd_server connection, but nothing from the client
| |
| 14:13 | (ie, during bootup)
| |
| 14:14 | <Gadi> if syslogd is running and accepting remote connections, you would get much more than that
| |
| 14:16 | shawnp0wers: do you have an /etc/default/rsyslog?
| |
| 14:16 | <shawnp0wers> no
| |
| 14:16 | I modified the /etc/init.d/sysklogd directly
| |
| 14:16 | with the -r flag
| |
| 14:16 | lemme restart thin client again
| |
| 14:17 | <Gadi> wait
| |
| 14:17 | <shawnp0wers> (yes, i restarted teh syslog process)
| |
| 14:17 | <Gadi> ah
| |
| 14:17 | <shawnp0wers> ok
| |
| 14:17 | <Gadi> ok
| |
| 14:17 | hehe
| |
| 14:17 | and you have no rsyslog process?
| |
| 14:17 | <shawnp0wers> nope
| |
| 14:17 | <Gadi> ps -efw|grep rsyslog
| |
| 14:17 | <shawnp0wers> ok, installing it
| |
| 14:17 | <Gadi> on the server
| |
| 14:17 | <shawnp0wers> I had wrong syslog installed
| |
| 14:18 | :D
| |
| 14:18 | <Gadi> weird - I thought that was default in 9.10
| |
| 14:21 | <shawnp0wers> grr... I still get nothing
| |
| 14:21 | and rsyslogd is running now
| |
| 14:21 | :)
| |
| 14:21 | thin client rebooted
| |
| 14:22 | I still only get nbd_server messages, and tftpd messages
| |
| 14:22 | <Gadi> and you added a -r in /etc/default/rsyslog
| |
| 14:22 | <shawnp0wers> yep
| |
| 14:22 | <Gadi> hmm...
| |
| 14:22 | <shawnp0wers> wait no
| |
| 14:22 | <Gadi> ok
| |
| 14:22 | <shawnp0wers> I dont' have /etc/default/rsyslog
| |
| 14:23 | scottmaccal has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:24 | <Gadi> ok, well lets forget the logging for now, then.
| |
| 14:25 | I am looking at ltsp-localappsd on the client side, and there is some ugliness there
| |
| 14:25 | that is gonna kill us
| |
| 14:25 | <shawnp0wers> ahh
| |
| 14:25 | <Gadi> lets do this:
| |
| 14:25 | run: ltsp-localapps xterm
| |
| 14:26 | <shawnp0wers> ok
| |
| 14:26 | <Gadi> now, in the xterm, vi /usr/sbin/ltsp-localappsd
| |
| 14:27 | <shawnp0wers> the file doesn't exist...
| |
| 14:27 | <Gadi> hmm... try /usr/bin/ltsp-localaapsd
| |
| 14:27 | er, /usr/bin/ltsp-localappsd
| |
| 14:27 | <shawnp0wers> ok, got it. :)
| |
| 14:27 | <Gadi> damn ps
| |
| 14:27 | <shawnp0wers> read only though...
| |
| 14:28 | <Gadi> oh yeah
| |
| 14:28 | <shawnp0wers> :)
| |
| 14:28 | <Gadi> sigh
| |
| 14:28 | <shawnp0wers> I can rebuild the client
| |
| 14:28 | should I edit this in chroot?
| |
| 14:28 | <Gadi> do you have root access to the client?
| |
| 14:28 | <shawnp0wers> probably not
| |
| 14:28 | <Gadi> ah
| |
| 14:28 | ok, do this:
| |
| 14:28 | <shawnp0wers> I havne't set that up anyway, I'm assuming otu of the box the chroot env has no root enabled
| |
| 14:29 | <Gadi> in lts.conf, add: SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm
| |
| 14:29 | and reboot the client
| |
| 14:29 | then, you can switch to crtl-alt-f2 at least for root access
| |
| 14:30 | msaul_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:30 | <shawnp0wers> ok -- but is root enabled by default?
| |
| 14:30 | rjune has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:30 | <shawnp0wers> I nkow in LTSP4.2 it is...
| |
| 14:30 | <msaul_> Was wondering if alkisg was there...
| |
| 14:30 | <Gadi> shell will drop you to a shell as root
| |
| 14:31 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Ok, you're right. I'm root. :)
| |
| 14:31 | I'll just be editing the NBD image though, not anything permanent -- right?
| |
| 14:31 | <Gadi> right
| |
| 14:31 | its a fun way to play
| |
| 14:31 | <shawnp0wers> gotcha
| |
| 14:31 | :)
| |
| 14:32 | * shawnp0wers wishes he'd have installed vim in chroot... | |
| 14:32 | <shawnp0wers> ;)
| |
| 14:32 | <Gadi> not a vi guy, eh?
| |
| 14:32 | <alkisg> msaul_: pong?
| |
| 14:32 | <shawnp0wers> I like the pretty colors and arrow keys. :)
| |
| 14:32 | <msaul_> Hi, we were chatting on weekend, and the ltsp-localapps works well from xterm...
| |
| 14:32 | scottmaccal has quit IRC | |
| 14:33 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: give me a sec, I may be able to check somethings over here and spare us some time
| |
| 14:33 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: I have ltsp-localappsd open, so whenever you want me to tweak, lemme know.
| |
| 14:33 | ok
| |
| 14:33 | cool
| |
| 14:33 | <msaul_> Was wondering about a couple of questions alkisg
| |
| 14:34 | <rjune> shawnp0wers, hjkl was good enough for the authors, they should be good enough for you. :-)
| |
| 14:34 | <alkisg> msaul_: sure, but it'll be better if you asked in the channel and not specifically me - I'm just a user; the ltsp devs here surely know better :) I help where I can, but I'm no expert....
| |
| 14:34 | <shawnp0wers> rjune: I'll take that in stride -- but the first emacs person to give me a hard time will get SUCH A PINCH. :)
| |
| 14:34 | <rjune> LOL
| |
| 14:35 | emacs is the worst OS ever written. LISP was never meant for an Operating System
| |
| 14:35 | squarepeg has quit IRC | |
| 14:35 | squarepeg has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:35 | <msaul_> sure, will do. I'll just get notes, then ask the question to all...
| |
| 14:35 | <sbalneav> rjune: no no no
| |
| 14:36 | you're telling the joke wrong
| |
| 14:36 | It's:
| |
| 14:36 | "EMACS is a GREAT operating system. Now all it needs is a decent editor!"
| |
| 14:36 | <rjune> LOL
| |
| 14:36 | alkisg has left #ltsp | |
| 14:36 | <shawnp0wers> hehehehehe
| |
| 14:37 | <msaul_> Just asking a *silly* question: #1 - When using ltsp-localapps, the thin client does NOT require a hard drive - correct?
| |
| 14:37 | <shawnp0wers> msaul_: correct
| |
| 14:37 | <msaul_> Not as silly question #2: Do I use XDG-menu to setup the menu to run local apps instead of opening up xterm in chroot and running it...
| |
| 14:38 | <shawnp0wers> msaul_: LTSP manages the menu automagically
| |
| 14:38 | it's creepy
| |
| 14:38 | at least in Ubuntu
| |
| 14:39 | <msaul_> When I run xterm, then do procedure to install app, then exit chroot and ltsp-update-image, when I run app in menu, it is running from the network (going slow). I don't get impression that menu automatically runs via ltsp-localapps
| |
| 14:39 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:39 | <johnny> jyou have to do an lts.conf var
| |
| 14:40 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU=T or something
| |
| 14:40 | <shawnp0wers> yes, what johnny said. :)
| |
| 14:40 | <msaul_> When I run xterm in chroot, app runs just fine
| |
| 14:40 | I did that already...
| |
| 14:40 | It was in the lts.conf file...
| |
| 14:40 | <shawnp0wers> you can test it by uninstalling the application on the server
| |
| 14:40 | OH, you need to add the app too
| |
| 14:40 | my file:
| |
| 14:40 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
| |
| 14:40 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=firefox,gnome-mplayer,mplayer,tuxpaint,tuxmath,vlc,frozen-bubble
| |
| 14:41 | <johnny> shawnp0wers, it should automatically detectthem
| |
| 14:41 | i don'tthink you need to specify them
| |
| 14:41 | <shawnp0wers> I've never had it auto-detect
| |
| 14:41 | <johnny> also LOCAL_APPS=T
| |
| 14:41 | that's what i heard.. never yet used them
| |
| 14:41 | <msaul_> That is probably what is wrong, I will update that... and give it a try...
| |
| 14:41 | <johnny> unless that is there by default
| |
| 14:41 | Gadi, ?
| |
| 14:41 | <shawnp0wers> well, it works as written. :D
| |
| 14:42 | even if not correct. lol
| |
| 14:42 | <Gadi> LOCAL_APPS is true by default
| |
| 14:42 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU is not
| |
| 14:42 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS is only needed to whitelist certain apps
| |
| 14:43 | otherwise all apps installed in the chroot are presented in the menus
| |
| 14:43 | <johnny> as long as LOCAL_APPS_MENU is true?
| |
| 14:43 | <shawnp0wers> all apps?
| |
| 14:43 | <Gadi> correct
| |
| 14:43 | <shawnp0wers> like... "ls" ?
| |
| 14:43 | <johnny> all apps in the croot
| |
| 14:43 | they will run if they are there
| |
| 14:43 | <Gadi> if LOCAL_APPS_MENU is unset or false, the menu will items will not be superceded
| |
| 14:43 | <shawnp0wers> or only menu'd apps?
| |
| 14:44 | <johnny> shawnp0wers, i you did menu_items.. they are the only ones
| |
| 14:44 | if you don't do menu_items.. then all installed in chroot will run
| |
| 14:44 | <Gadi> there is also LOCAL_APPS_WHITELIST to only allow certain apps to run at all locally
| |
| 14:44 | <shawnp0wers> interesting.
| |
| 14:44 | <Gadi> (perhaps for security reasons)
| |
| 14:48 | <msaul_> Just updating image after setting LOCAL_APPS_MENU... will get back to you...
| |
| 14:48 | <shawnp0wers> msaul_: I might have steered you wrong though...
| |
| 14:48 | I guess it's even more magical than I though
| |
| 14:49 | <msaul_> I like running frozen-bubble in ltsp-localapps - runs pretty well, I notice if sound sfx AND music, the music started to run slower after a while...
| |
| 14:49 | <shawnp0wers> I think the best way to test is to remove the application from the server, and ONLY have it installed in chroot
| |
| 14:49 | <alkisg> msaul_: you don't need to update the image after changes in lts.conf
| |
| 14:50 | msaul_: also, how exactly did you install frozen bubble to the chroot? From the xterm?
| |
| 14:52 | <shawnp0wers> msaul_: My favorites are firefox with java/flash as localapps, along with gnome-mplayer.
| |
| 14:52 | For the first time, LTSP becomes a fully viable option in all my classrooms
| |
| 14:52 | ::awesome::
| |
| 14:53 | <sbalneav> I need to learn to write firfox plugins
| |
| 14:53 | so I can turn the HQTube greasemonkey script into a plugin
| |
| 14:53 | then it can just be globally installed.
| |
| 14:54 | You know, we've had lots of people bemoaning how LTSP5 isn't "as good" as LTSP4.2, for some value of "good".
| |
| 14:55 | However, something that's changed since then is flash.
| |
| 14:55 | Used to be flash was a cool luxury, but not a necessity.
| |
| 14:55 | <jammcq> yep
| |
| 14:55 | <sbalneav> Now, it seems that flash is pretty much MANDITORY
| |
| 14:55 | <johnny> sadly es
| |
| 14:55 | until google goes free :(
| |
| 14:56 | <alkisg> Go go moonlight :D
| |
| 14:56 | <johnny> gogo theora
| |
| 14:56 | no
| |
| 14:56 | <sbalneav> because just about ALL the complaints we get these days are all flash related.
| |
| 14:56 | <johnny> not moonlight please
| |
| 14:56 | alkisg, html5 + theora
| |
| 14:56 | there's your freedome
| |
| 14:56 | <alkisg> Can theora do games?
| |
| 14:56 | <johnny> oh.. games.. no
| |
| 14:56 | i was speaking of video
| |
| 14:56 | <alkisg> Well... go go moonlight then :)
| |
| 14:56 | <johnny> for games it would have to be html5 canvas
| |
| 14:56 | <jammcq> htlm5 isn't really gonna catch on until IE supports it
| |
| 14:56 | <alkisg> At least this one does play well with linux
| |
| 14:57 | <sbalneav> what's moonlight?
| |
| 14:57 | <johnny> alkisg, canvas can do it
| |
| 14:57 | <alkisg> silverlight for mono
| |
| 14:57 | <jammcq> sbalneav: the light of the moon
| |
| 14:57 | <johnny> alkisg, so.. yes html5 stuff can do it
| |
| 14:57 | <alkisg> johnny: google for "flash games" and tell me how many of those you could program with canvas :)
| |
| 14:57 | <johnny> no need for ms crapola..
| |
| 14:57 | <alkisg> Canvas is extra ultra slow
| |
| 14:57 | <johnny> alkisg, most?
| |
| 14:57 | for now
| |
| 14:57 | <alkisg> Putpixel with javascript...
| |
| 14:57 | Nope, almost none of them
| |
| 14:57 | <sbalneav> jammcq: just answered a question in edubuntu-users list.
| |
| 14:57 | <rjune> alkisg, canvas is the SVG render?
| |
| 14:57 | <alkisg> Yup
| |
| 14:57 | <johnny> alkisg, i'd rather keep flash
| |
| 14:58 | until canvas is ready
| |
| 14:58 | otherwise people won't switch from silverlight
| |
| 14:58 | <sbalneav> Apparently, since LTSP can't handle 30 people running flash simultaneouslu, the project isn't "viable" :)
| |
| 14:58 | <rjune> alkisg, you paying for one to be written? pretty sure I could write quite a few.
| |
| 14:59 | <alkisg> For some game in canvas? No - I'm just saying it won't be fast enough to be playable
| |
| 14:59 | <rjune> You really think so?
| |
| 14:59 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ltsp isn't viable for EVERYBODY, but it sure is for lots of people
| |
| 14:59 | <alkisg> Yeah, I did some speed measuring a year ago, it's like thousands of times slower than flash animations
| |
| 14:59 | <johnny> alkisg, of course it will be fast enough
| |
| 14:59 | <shawnp0wers> I'll give some props to Adobe too -- they've taken Linux a lot more seriously of late
| |
| 14:59 | <johnny> it's just nobody cares yet..
| |
| 14:59 | <sbalneav> I really wish someone would run 30 flash sessions in I.E. with rdesktop.
| |
| 14:59 | and post the results :)
| |
| 15:00 | <rjune> sbalneav, on a windows server right?
| |
| 15:00 | <sbalneav> right.
| |
| 15:00 | <jammcq> used to be that MS recommended 1 server for every 25 terminal services users
| |
| 15:00 | dunno what they are recommending now
| |
| 15:00 | <alkisg> shawnp0wers: flash doesn't even yet support utf8...! It only supports english language - unacceptable for applications, flex etc
| |
| 15:01 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: huh... Perhaps I can bend some ears about that.
| |
| 15:01 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: Where does this Adobe being serious about Linux show?
| |
| 15:01 | <alkisg> It's a known bug, for 2 years now
| |
| 15:01 | They say they'll fix it in the "next major flash release" for linux
| |
| 15:01 | <shawnp0wers> Adobe flash being released in unison with Windows, same with AIR
| |
| 15:01 | I'm not saying they're awesome
| |
| 15:01 | but at least we're not 2 versions behind anymore
| |
| 15:02 | <elias_a_> In addition to this UTF-8 bug we still have the v4l2 problem in Linux.
| |
| 15:02 | <johnny> that problem is solving itself
| |
| 15:02 | <shawnp0wers> I have some inside folks at Adobe too I'll pass along some frustrations.
| |
| 15:02 | <johnny> as the old stuff is deprecated
| |
| 15:02 | * shawnp0wers has his big-boy journalist pants on | |
| 15:02 | <elias_a_> Leaves Flash practically not usable.
| |
| 15:02 | <shawnp0wers> lol
| |
| 15:02 | <elias_a_> :D
| |
| 15:03 | <shawnp0wers> elias_a_: what is the problem with v4l2? (ignorance on my part, never had a problem with v4l and flash)
| |
| 15:05 | <msaul_> I redid, but again, running from menu, no difference...
| |
| 15:06 | I then ran in xterm using ltsp-localapps xterm, ran frozen bubble and ran the way it should...
| |
| 15:06 | Someone mentioned "leading me astray" - I'm listening...
| |
| 15:07 | <johnny> msaul_, well try with shawnp0wers says.. specific them in LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
| |
| 15:07 | if that works.. you found a bug
| |
| 15:07 | and can kick Gadi
| |
| 15:07 | <msaul_> I installed frozen bubble in chroot via xterm
| |
| 15:07 | <johnny> via xterm?
| |
| 15:07 | huh
| |
| 15:07 | <msaul_> I did
| |
| 15:07 | <johnny> you have to build it into the chroot
| |
| 15:07 | <msaul_> in the LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
| |
| 15:07 | <johnny> not in the local thin session
| |
| 15:08 | did you do
| |
| 15:08 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
| |
| 15:08 | apt-get install frozen-bubble
| |
| 15:08 | exit
| |
| 15:08 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: This summarizes the v4l2 problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/420711
| |
| 15:08 | <johnny> ltsp-update-image -a i386
| |
| 15:08 | <msaul_> yes, I did that...
| |
| 15:08 | <johnny> you did update image?
| |
| 15:08 | <msaul_> I then exited chroot, and ran ltsp-update-image
| |
| 15:09 | I didn't use -a i386 option...
| |
| 15:09 | pmatulis has quit IRC | |
| 15:09 | <johnny> well if your server is i386 you don't have to
| |
| 15:09 | <msaul_> But, when I added LOCAL_APPS_MENU to True and LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS, I didn't do that in chroot. was I supposed to do that in chroot as well?
| |
| 15:09 | <johnny> it doesn't hurt either tho
| |
| 15:09 | no..
| |
| 15:09 | just to lts.conf
| |
| 15:10 | <msaul_> I did that
| |
| 15:10 | <johnny> i have yet to be able to do local apps
| |
| 15:10 | <msaul_> Under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
| |
| 15:10 | then ran ltsp-update-image...
| |
| 15:10 | <johnny> you're supposed to lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot
| |
| 15:10 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
| |
| 15:10 | <msaul_> OK, I'll do that...
| |
| 15:10 | <johnny> the header of the chroot one shoudl have told you that
| |
| 15:11 | uhmm
| |
| 15:11 | it also needs
| |
| 15:11 | [default]
| |
| 15:11 | at the top
| |
| 15:11 | so it'll parse
| |
| 15:11 | run a local shell
| |
| 15:11 | and type getltscfg
| |
| 15:11 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: For example I have a webcam that works ok with Ekiga and Skype. Flash video with it does not work.
| |
| 15:11 | <johnny> make sure it is parsed
| |
| 15:11 | <shawnp0wers> elias_a_: Ok, thanks.
| |
| 15:12 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: If you are able to speed things up a bit I am really grateful as we are trying to run video conferencing on LTSP.
| |
| 15:15 | <johnny> anybody seen a boot cd with only the purpose of loading a usb key ?
| |
| 15:15 | in case the system won't boot from usb natively
| |
| 15:16 | <shawnp0wers> elias_a_: Email sent to my Adobe contact... maybe he'll have some info for me.
| |
| 15:17 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: Thanks! Keep me informed, will you?
| |
| 15:17 | <alkisg> johnny: you can use whatever boot loader for that
| |
| 15:18 | johnny: e.g. I do it from my ltsp netboot menu... ;)
| |
| 15:18 | (pxelinux)
| |
| 15:18 | <johnny> sure.. i just want an img to burn :)
| |
| 15:18 | <alkisg> Well, grub rescue cd?
| |
| 15:18 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: The reason for me being eager on this one: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
| |
| 15:18 | That one rocks for real :)
| |
| 15:19 | <johnny> i guess i just need to know what commands to type at the grub line then.. ok
| |
| 15:20 | ftherese has quit IRC | |
| 15:23 | ftherese has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:23 | <msaul_> OK, that did the trick thanks...
| |
| 15:24 | <shawnp0wers> msaul_: What did the trick?
| |
| 15:24 | <msaul_> I notice that when playing frozen-bubble, it doesn't have music. I'm not complaining, sound fx are just fine. Just curious, was music taken off on purpose when running ltsp-localapps?
| |
| 15:24 | <shawnp0wers> my menu stuff, or other stuff?
| |
| 15:24 | <msaul_> I am able to run frozen-bubble from menu now...
| |
| 15:24 | :)
| |
| 15:24 | <shawnp0wers> elias_a_: Awesome looking app...
| |
| 15:25 | <alkisg> johnny: no - if you have a specific file in the stick, you can use the grub find command...
| |
| 15:25 | <msaul_> the suggestion to place info in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf did the trick...
| |
| 15:25 | <alkisg> (and burn the cd with that specific command, I mean)
| |
| 15:27 | Kicer86 has quit IRC | |
| 15:28 | <msaul_> I guess my only other question is how to get connect to Internet when running ltsp-localapps - is there a URL with *good* instructions to make this work? I will try that on my own instead of bugging you guys... :)
| |
| 15:29 | btw, the #ltsp channel is very user-friendly, I mentioned this in my blog, keep up the great support :)
| |
| 15:29 | Probably too many people just chat to get info and split - I appreciate the excellent info
| |
| 15:30 | <jammcq> it really helps to have "quality users"
| |
| 15:30 | <msaul_> I will blog this and hope to have all of the information in a concise area...
| |
| 15:30 | There's a blast from the past!
| |
| 15:30 | When are you coming back to T.O.?
| |
| 15:30 | <jammcq> ummm
| |
| 15:30 | dunno
| |
| 15:30 | <msaul_> We'll have a seat set up for you...
| |
| 15:30 | <jammcq> heh
| |
| 15:30 | <shawnp0wers> msaul_: just need to have ip_forward set for NAT on the server I think
| |
| 15:31 | I don't use a 2NIC setup, so I dunno for sure
| |
| 15:31 | <msaul_> Perhaps a cardboard cutout or something...
| |
| 15:31 | There's the Jim I know, he finally did a heh :)
| |
| 15:31 | spectra has quit IRC | |
| 15:34 | <elias_a_> shawnp0wers: We really are using OpenMeetings already quite heavily.
| |
| 15:35 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320318/
| |
| 15:35 | use that in place of /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ltsp-localappsd
| |
| 15:35 | <msaul_> OK, will work on the ip_forward for NAT on the server, thanks for all the help... will send pics of new ltsp lab in a few weeks when it gets setup :)
| |
| 15:35 | <Gadi> (back up original)
| |
| 15:35 | and reroll the image
| |
| 15:35 | <msaul_> cul8r
| |
| 15:35 | dro has quit IRC | |
| 15:35 | <elias_a_> It is the only piece of sw where 1) a linux user can be host and 2) screenshare is of good quality.
| |
| 15:35 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Will do -- I'll let you know in a few
| |
| 15:35 | <Gadi> and use in conjunction with the ltsp-localapps server side piece I pasted earlier
| |
| 15:36 | with any luck, the spaces will come through
| |
| 15:36 | if not, you can roll back
| |
| 15:36 | :)
| |
| 15:36 | msaul_ has quit IRC | |
| 15:37 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Should I restore the original ltsp-localapps, or use the one you modified?
| |
| 15:38 | <Gadi> use mine
| |
| 15:38 | <elias_a_> Wow -something Linux-related is user friendly!!! :D
| |
| 15:38 | <shawnp0wers> Ok cool, that's easier
| |
| 15:38 | :)
| |
| 15:38 | <Gadi> basically, I am trying to pass along the quoted args to the server and have the server interpret them properly
| |
| 15:38 | <shawnp0wers> Can I just say, with Ubuntu 9.10 and LTSP5, thin clients boot up FAST...
| |
| 15:39 | Gadi: Image almost rebuilt...
| |
| 15:40 | Gadi: :(
| |
| 15:40 | Now apps won't start at all...
| |
| 15:40 | <Gadi> same deal
| |
| 15:40 | ah crap
| |
| 15:42 | shawnp0wers: ok, why don't you roll back to the originals for now, until I can get a setup where I can work thru this properly
| |
| 15:43 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Will do -- sorry for the hassle. :)
| |
| 15:43 | <Gadi> otherwise, we're just chasing our tails
| |
| 15:43 | ping me again to remind me
| |
| 15:43 | :)
| |
| 15:43 | <shawnp0wers> hehehe -- ok, this server goes into production in a couple weeks, so I'll ping you by then. :)
| |
| 15:43 | <Gadi> unfortunately, I don't know how to send ctrl-alt-f2 through vSphere to the VMWare ESX VM I have a thin client in
| |
| 15:43 | :)
| |
| 15:45 | <shawnp0wers> ha!
| |
| 15:47 | elias_a_: Already heard back from my Adobe contact -- he said there is a bug filed in the Adobe public bug base too, and that the comments indicate it might be fixed in 10.1... He's doing some more digging, and getting me in contact with the marketing guys so I can get some information on the 64bit stuff too...
| |
| 15:48 | <alkisg> shawnp0wers: fp-40 in the adobe bug tracker
| |
| 15:48 | http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-40
| |
| 15:48 | <elias_a_> That's the UTF-8 ona
| |
| 15:48 | one...
| |
| 15:48 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: hmm, he pointed to FP-2138 I wonder if it's a dupe or different problem. (I didn't look)
| |
| 15:48 | <elias_a_> The video issue is a separate one.
| |
| 15:49 | <alkisg> Urm, sorry, I was talking about the utf8 bug
| |
| 15:49 | Ah, so they'll fix both issues in 10.1? Wow, party time...
| |
| 15:49 | <shawnp0wers> I don't have an Adobe account, but hopefully FP-2138 is the right one
| |
| 15:49 | alkisg: I have no idea about the UTF8 bug
| |
| 15:50 | <alkisg> Yup they said 10.1 for that as well
| |
| 15:50 | <shawnp0wers> huh, ::crosses fingers::
| |
| 15:50 | <alkisg> the 2138 bug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320328/
| |
| 15:51 | <shawnp0wers> Um, is it public when 10.1 beta goes public?
| |
| 15:51 | <alkisg> No
| |
| 15:51 | <shawnp0wers> ok, then I shouldn't say the date he told me... O.O
| |
| 15:51 | <alkisg> Eeeerm I meant yes!!! :D
| |
| 15:51 | PM, please? :)
| |
| 15:52 | * _UsUrPeR_ intercepts | |
| 15:52 | * shawnp0wers hopes alkisg is trustworthy. :) | |
| 15:52 | <alkisg> Silent as a fish :)
| |
| 15:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> >_>
| |
| 15:55 | <alkisg> Sorry my font isn't really clear, was that 2013 or 2018?
| |
| 15:55 | :P
| |
| 15:55 | <shawnp0wers> lol. :)
| |
| 16:03 | CAN-o-SPAM has quit IRC | |
| 16:05 | pmatulis has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:07 | <sbalneav> !flash
| |
| 16:08 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "flash" is Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
| |
| 16:15 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 16:18 | mikkel has quit IRC | |
| 16:27 | gentgeen__ has quit IRC | |
| 16:28 | gentgeen__ has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:45 | johnny has left #ltsp | |
| 17:09 | ftherese has quit IRC | |
| 17:14 | johnny has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:15 | jammcq has quit IRC | |
| 17:25 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: ping
| |
| 17:27 | sergiodlc has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:34 | sergiodlc has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:35 | <sergiodlc> ubuntu
| |
| 17:36 | Hi everybody. I'm using LTSP-5 under Ubuntu 9.04 and realized that can't mount usb pendrives formatted as FAT32. It identifies the drive but the content shown is garbage.
| |
| 17:39 | Gadi has left #ltsp | |
| 17:39 | bobby_C has quit IRC | |
| 17:40 | <sergiodlc> Any idea?
| |
| 17:40 | <johnny> and it works flawlessly on other computers?
| |
| 17:40 | including the ltsp server
| |
| 17:49 | mushroomblue has quit IRC | |
| 17:50 | mushroomblue has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:51 | Sarten-X has quit IRC | |
| 17:52 | mushroomblue has quit IRC | |
| 17:59 | mushroomblue has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:07 | sergiodlc has quit IRC | |
| 18:11 | Selveste1 is now known as Selveste1_away | |
| 18:18 | rjune has quit IRC | |
| 18:18 | Sarten-X has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:26 | staffencasa has quit IRC | |
| 18:29 | Egyptian[Home]1 has quit IRC | |
| 18:30 | Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:32 | kusznir_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:33 | <kusznir_> Hi all: got a quick ubuntu ltsp question: I've just set up a new server, and did apt-get install ltsp-server. I then had to manually run ltsp-build-client, and got most things working. However, presently its not starting inetd on its own.
| |
| 18:33 | I got it working by running "sudo inetd", but there doesn't appear to be an /etc/init.d/inetd or simiar file, and I haven't found "the ubuntu way" to set inetd to start on boot.
| |
| 18:35 | <johnny> openbsd-inetd
| |
| 19:04 | scottmaccal has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:05 | Brian_H has quit IRC | |
| 19:35 | Sarten-X has quit IRC | |
| 19:41 | FGXR6 has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:42 | F-GT has quit IRC | |
| 19:47 | shawnp0wers has quit IRC | |
| 19:51 | <sbalneav> I love the internet
| |
| 19:51 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU
| |
| 19:54 | <Ryan52> Kazookeylele. wow.
| |
| 19:54 | <sbalneav> He's my new hero.
| |
| 19:54 | He has MP3's of this stuff on his site.
| |
| 19:55 | That one's going straight into Rhythmbox.
| |
| 19:55 | <Ryan52> haha
| |
| 20:00 | <sbalneav> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbatbaxVYVM
| |
| 20:00 | This guy is some kind of freakin' genius.
| |
| 20:00 | We need him to get interested in thin clients.
| |
| 20:02 | Sarten-X has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:07 | <sbalneav> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ6tKxxuyrc
| |
| 20:07 | Who needs tv?
| |
| 20:09 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoOZYU7jqeY
| |
| 20:55 | scottmaccal has quit IRC | |
| 21:24 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 21:46 | map7 has joined #ltsp | |
| 21:49 | johnny has left #ltsp | |
| 22:01 | cyberorg has quit IRC | |
| 22:09 | cyberorg has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:29 | yanu has quit IRC | |
| 22:30 | yanu has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:33 | johnny has joined #ltsp | |
| 23:25 | ball has joined #ltsp | |
| 23:31 | cyberorg has quit IRC | |
| 23:47 | pmatulis has quit IRC | |
| 23:56 | alkisg has quit IRC | |