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Channel log from 23 February 2007 (all times are UTC)

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00:53	<mathesis> I cannot determine how tftpd is invoked. You may need to
00:53	manually configure tftpd on your server.
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01:30	<dan__t> hi
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01:50	<krinns> hi all
01:50	<mathesis> hi krinns
01:50	<krinns> do we have any GUI tools for session managemnet in ltsp
01:50	<mathesis> you have ltsp 4.2?
01:50	<krinns> yes
01:50	<mathesis> krinns: i have proble for startx the clients
01:51	my card video is ati
01:51	<krinns> whats the issue
01:51	on thinclients
01:52	<mathesis> Fatal Error XDMCP fatal erro: MAnager unwilling HOST unwilling
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02:03	<krinns> oh u r using
02:04	ubuntu
02:04	or
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02:20	<ash__> Hey everyone
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05:44	<cliebow> krinns:so you have gray screen?
05:45	!grayscreen
05:45	<krinns> no
05:45	<ltspbot> cliebow: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
05:45	<krinns> why
05:45	cliebow any GUI tool for ltsp to manage user sessions
05:45	<cliebow> you say xdmcp problems
05:45	in what way?like teachertool?
05:45	<krinns> or load balance and failocer thing
05:46	no i dont have
05:46	its mathsis
05:46	<cliebow> you can look at dtrasks failover..for dhcpd.conf
05:46	i dont have a url
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05:50	<cliebow> http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/load-balance-failover-how-to.pdf
05:51	<Jenna> morning y'all
05:51	any ltsp sound pro around ?
05:51	<cliebow> mistik1 is
05:52	<Jenna> stuck at this point with no sound. also using Dell GX Thinstations with CS46xx built-in snd-cards. http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-August/msg00389.html
05:52	<cliebow> rjune
05:52	<Jenna> anyone ?
05:52	hey cliebow.
05:52	<cliebow> hi
05:52	is there any enlightenment on the wiki?
05:53	http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
05:54	sound is kinda on hold waiting for pulseaudio to be refined..
05:55	<Jenna> yeh tried that link. but with out luck
05:56	Xmms's graphical equalizer is dancing but no sound at the ports
05:57	<ogra> cliebow, pulse sound is default in feisty ltsp since some weeks already
05:58	debian will pull it as soon as etc released and they can update again
05:58	s/etc/etch/
05:58	<cliebow> sound is really cranky..ogra is the man to talk to
05:58	<ogra> not really, i'm holding a teachig session atm no time for big supports ....
05:58	<cliebow> ogra:btw didnt think we'd see you for a bit..got internet at the hotel?
05:59	<ogra> (i'm actually not here .... you havent seen me etc :) )
05:59	<cliebow> k 8~)
05:59	<ogra> no, i'm in this educational institute where the EU educational meeting takes place
05:59	they have at least a wire for me ...
06:00	<Jenna> ogra, cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp is also no responding
06:01	<ogra> Jenna, thats ltsp5 ?
06:02	<Jenna> huh. Im using k12ltsp, ltsp 4-2 ?
06:03	<ogra> hmm, then all i can point you to is the wiki ... i'm only doing ltsp5 development and could only gues ....
06:03	<Jenna> also set the gstreamer thing to esdsink but no luck
06:03	<ogra> check if ESPEAKER is set, make sure the sound modules get loaded on the client etc
06:03	<cliebow> ogra: so if i set sources.list to feisty i could sandbox the newest?
06:03	and dist-upgrade
06:04	forget it ..i can figure that out..
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06:04	<ogra> cliebow, yup ... but be careful, feisty is still in development ... it might be broken ... (dont do it on production systems etc etc ... )
06:05	<cliebow> yes..
06:05	have a GREAT Day
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06:15	<Jenna> ogra, : yeah sound modules are all loaded. /dev/dsp is also present
06:16	<ogra> if you play a sound from the commandline on the client with aplay or something, does it work ?
06:16	<Jenna> ogra,: also ran /etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh, which exported the ESPEAKER var.
06:16	<rjune> cliebow: sup?
06:17	<Jenna> esdplay /usr/share/sound/phone.wav didn't generated any sound ?
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06:18	<kaminski-ltsp-br> hi all
06:19	<ogra> Jenna, use aplay ... to see if the lower level works ...
06:19	esdplay already connects to the esd daemon ... we want to know if the driver works first ....
06:20	<cliebow> Jenna:rjune has championed sound for ltsp before ltsp5
06:20	rjune: try to catch up with ya from school 8`)
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06:27	<Jenna> rjune 'y u there ?
06:28	cliebow, : aplay deal with aLSA, but Im using esd. shouldn't it be a problem
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06:31	<Jenna> rjune, : u there ?
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06:43	<ogra> Jenna, alsa is the driver level ... if aplay works you know the driver is ok ... if not fix the driver (module)
06:45	<Jenna> orgra: can take a look at this link http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-August/msg00502.html
06:45	this is exacctly my issue
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06:55	<Jenna> tired debugging thing thru this info http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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07:04	<Jenna> btw I donot have any sound card on the server.
07:05	only on the client. and Module_1 define on the clients info in lts.conf
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07:07	<Jenna> has some one experienced this. i.e. the sound seems to play but u can hear a thing
07:08	Im guess it might be muted ? is there any apply thru which I can check whether the sound is muted on the station or not ?
07:08	<a5benwillis> mornin Cliebow
07:09	<Jenna> anyway ogra is ltsp5 production ready ?
07:09	someone yesterday said its much slower than ltsp-4.2 ? is that true ?
07:11	<a5benwillis> I havent triedit yet myself
07:16	<cliebow_> a5benwillis, Hey Hey!
07:19	<a5benwillis> cliebow_: Well Im back to workingon the SSH issue this mornig. I worked with mistik1_ last night and came up with some ideas
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07:36	<poro> Jenna: it is slower
07:37	oh
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07:42	<a5benwillis> Guys, I have a problem.
07:42	Maybe someone will have some advice
07:42	I downloaded and compiled a new version of ssh.
07:43	But
07:43	I forgot to point it to /usr during configure so itinstalled to /usr/local
07:43	now I have the old version in/usr and the new in usr/local
07:43	how do I remove theone in /usr/local?
07:43	<jammcq> rm -rf /usr/local/ssh
07:44	or wherever it put it
07:44	why are you building a new version of ssh ?
07:44	<a5benwillis> are there any startup scripts or anything else to remove?
07:44	<jammcq> dunno
07:46	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> g'morning! 4 * #ltsp
07:46	<a5benwillis> morning
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07:55	<ogra> poro, thats not true ... it is slower from 30+ clients on ... but not below
07:55	<cliebow_> a5: i suppose /etc/init.d/ssh would point to the correct executable?
07:57	<bricode> ogra: What's slower? I just popped in.
07:57	I'm working on dual head thin clients these days. So far it's promising.
07:57	<ogra> bricode, ltsp over ssh ...
07:58	<a5benwillis> mornin ogra
07:58	<bricode> ogra: Is that because of the extra encode/decode on server side?
07:58	<ogra> hey hey ... afternoon a5benwillis
07:58	bricode, right
07:58	<jammcq> ogra: did you change the encryption method?
07:58	<a5benwillis> cliebow_: Well Im having a tough time with this now
07:58	<jammcq> err, the cypher ?
07:58	<ogra> with less than 30 clients you wont "feel" the overhead ...
07:58	<cliebow_> ohh..i forgot..ogra is not here...
07:58	<ogra> right i'm not here
07:58	<jammcq> yes he is
07:58	<cliebow_> 8~)
07:58	<jammcq> I just saw him
07:59	<ogra> jammcq, i'm poking cjwatson once a week, probably you and sbalneav should do the same to get him going
07:59	<jammcq> sure
07:59	ogra: scotty and I are getting together next week, to focus on this stuff
07:59	<ogra> seems he hopes he can get around it for feisty ...
07:59	<cliebow_> cjwatson's role is...
07:59	<jammcq> get our minds wrapped around it again
07:59	<cliebow_> heh..again...still trying for the first time
08:00	<jammcq> my first encounter with feisty was pretty good, but now I have a dns issue and i'm not sure how to resolve it (no pun intended)
08:00	<a5benwillis> I get an error in /var/log/auth.log when I try to log in, I think its when it hits the pam modul,"Excess permission or bad ownership on file /var/log/brmp"
08:00	<ogra> cliebow, the debian/ubuntu installer guy and the debian/ubuntu ssh maintainer
08:00	<cliebow_> jammcq:8~)
08:01	<ogra> whats /var/log/brmp ?
08:01	<a5benwillis> duno
08:01	<cliebow_> empty
08:01	btmp?
08:02	<a5benwillis> lookin at the file now
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08:02	<cliebow_> going for the gusto..feisty on one side of my lappie
08:03	<a5benwillis> file exists, 0bite
08:03	<cliebow_> btmp?
08:03	<a5benwillis> yes
08:03	<cliebow_> what..taking typing lessons from me?
08:03	<a5benwillis> oh, oops
08:03	didnt catch that
08:04	typo
08:04	* ogra found it sounded like /var/log/burp ...
08:04	<cliebow_> i dont know from typos
08:04	<a5benwillis> well permissions are right on the file
08:05	<jammcq> ok kids, I gotta step out for a while. I'll catch ya later
08:05	<ogra> ciao ciao ...
08:05	a5benwillis, disk full ?
08:05	<jammcq> ogra: you in Italy ?
08:06	<a5benwillis> ogra: no
08:06	<ogra> jammcq, si
08:06	<cliebow_> lastb(1) - Shows failed login attempts. This command requires the file /var/log/btmp to exist in order to work. Type "touch /var/log/btmp" to begin logging to this file.
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08:06	* ogra wont eat any pasta for the next six weeks
08:06	<jammcq> no ?
08:07	pasta, that is
08:07	<cliebow_> time for a chuascaria
08:07	<jammcq> hey, scotty and I will be down in brazil, starting Apr 11th
08:07	<ogra> not really a fan of it ... but pizza isnt better ... putting any other kind of meat on pizza apart from parma ham is a crime here
08:07	<cliebow_> lunchtime yet?
08:07	<jammcq> yeah, pizza is definately different in Italy
08:08	<cliebow_> sounds like school vacation time
08:08	<ogra> the pasta is great though ... but every day is simply to much :)
08:08	<jammcq> but you should be able to get some excellent fish in Italy
08:08	ok, gotta run
08:08	<cliebow_> could be Chinese..
08:08	<jammcq> going to snag a new customer, wish me luck :)
08:08	<cliebow_> LUCK
08:08	<ogra> we're not near the seaside ... this area has wonderful white wine and olive oil
08:09	<jammcq> anywhere is Italy is not far from the seaside
08:09	ciao
08:09	<ogra> ciao )
08:09	:)
08:09	<a5benwillis> cliebow_: Still get that error
08:10	<pscheie> ogra: can you help me with a chroot problem oh edubuntu-great-one?
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08:11	<ogra> only roughly, i'm not really here
08:11	<cliebow_> Programs like login, shutdown, uptime and others want to read from and write to the /var/run/utmp /var/log/btmp and /var/log/wtmp
08:11	* ogra is on aa conference training teachers on edubuntu and moodle
08:12	<pscheie> ah. cool, sounds like fun
08:12	<bricode_> ogra: Where is said conference?
08:12	<pscheie> this is a edubuntu livecd question rather than an ltsp question
08:13	I'm trying to remaster the edubuntu live cd
08:13	<ogra> bricode, jesi near ancona italy
08:13	<a5benwillis> orga: Some guys have all the fun
08:13	<bricode_> ogra: sweet.
08:13	<pscheie> when I chroot to the livecd file structure, I get different answers to aptitude queries
08:14	for example, it says it can't find any package named kgeography
08:14	but from the regular environment, it finds (and installs) kgeography
08:14	<a5benwillis> cliebow_: I compared the paermissions and ownership toanother machine and theyre the same.
08:15	<pscheie> the sources.list files are identical
08:15	any idea what would cause this difference in apt behavior?
08:16	<cliebow_> gotta run down to surry school..bbiab
08:16	<ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache madison kgeography
08:16	kgeography \| 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 \| http://de.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
08:16	pscheie, you need universe for it
08:17	<a5benwillis> ok, I chmoded thefile 600 and that error went away
08:17	<cliebow_> i see 644 mentioned
08:17	any logging to it?
08:18	<a5benwillis> yes
08:18	<cliebow_> anything juicy?
08:18	<a5benwillis> hmm
08:18	cant open it
08:18	<cliebow_> 600
08:19	<ogra> sudo :)
08:19	<a5benwillis> i tried sudo gedit
08:19	coulnt detect file type
08:19	<cliebow_> prob cat will suffice
08:19	maybe smething with strings?
08:20	<a5benwillis> cat worked
08:20	must be binary
08:20	<ogra> you need to quote if you use gedit ...
08:20	<cliebow_> just cant tear myself away....
08:21	<a5benwillis> ok
08:21	<ogra> oh207, couldnt detect filetype ?
08:21	hmm
08:21	<a5benwillis> now the new ssh isnt processing my /etc/pam.d/ssh file
08:22	but there is what appears to bea new file called pam-ssh-auth in there?
08:23	Have I thanked you guys for all of the help?
08:23	.
08:23	THAKS!!
08:23	erm
08:23	THANKS!!
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08:33	<a5benwillis> is there another place that ssh reads the pam info?
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08:49	<pscheie> ogra: you rock! adding universe to sources.list fixed it. thanks!
08:49	<ogra> :)
08:49	<a5benwillis> of courseogra rocks, lol
08:50	<ogra> keep apt-cache madison in mind ;) uts very helpful to find out where a package is coming from
08:50	*its
08:50	* pscheie almost feels foolish considering how simple the answer was--almost
08:50	<pscheie> someone mentioned that the other night but i didn't understand it until now
08:52	do you know where the Desktop Background setting is stored? I want to change it
08:52	default Desktop Background, I mean
08:53	<ogra> less /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu
08:54	copy this to be /usr/share/gconf/defaults/25-custom and tweak it
08:54	higher numbers override the lower ones ...
08:54	so all changes you make in 25-custom will become defaults
08:55	<pscheie> oh, that's great, nice and easy
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09:00	<bricode_> fancy
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09:02	<erdinc> hi everyone
09:02	<a5benwillis> ogra: Anyideas on my new ssh problem :)
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09:41	<a5benwillis> well it appears that sshd is ignoring my pam configuration AND the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file!!!! Very odd
09:42	I changedthe startup port to 222 in the config just as a test and it still runs on 22. There must be another config file that its looking to.
09:49	.
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09:54	<a5benwillis> mistik1_: Are you around?
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10:28	<mbooma> Gadi: u there ?
10:29	<Gadi> physically. emotionally. psychologically -> maybe
10:30	sup?
10:31	<mbooma> hi there. I just download ur alsa.tgz thingy. to make it work with my esd
10:31	but without luck.
10:32	btw I needed to ask that does one needs to have a sound card to be present on the server to get things going. or having snd card on the client would do ?
10:33	<Gadi> no need to have a card on the server
10:33	unless you want to play sounds from the server :)
10:33	<mbooma> no dont have card on the server. just the clients
10:33	<Gadi> keep in mind, sound goes over ESD
10:34	even with my patch
10:34	<mbooma> just download this LTSP-esd-alsa_1.0.0-2.tgz . I think u wrote this
10:34	<Gadi> a lot of people confuse the patch to make sounds go over alsa
10:34	<mbooma> hmm
10:34	<Gadi> right
10:34	you still need to get the applications to use esd
10:34	what distro are you on?
10:35	(my patch allows the client to use ALSA drivers)
10:35	instead of OSS
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10:35	<mbooma> btw Im have Dell GX thinclient with isapnp: Card 'CS4236B'
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10:35	<Gadi> mbooma: do you get errors in autodetecting the driver?
10:36	<mbooma> followed that reference without luck
10:37	no when client boots I do get that tick/tuck kinda sound
10:37	<Gadi> ah, ok
10:37	<mbooma> besides xmms is also playing but just cant hear the sound
10:37	<Gadi> so, the sound works on the client
10:37	you just need to get sound to the client
10:37	<mbooma> yeah only I dont hear it
10:38	<Gadi> what distro?
10:38	<mbooma> k12ltsp 5
10:38	all update
10:38	ltsp 4.2
10:38	<meuserj> ok.. we have ltsp on a linux server booting thin clients which connect via rdesktop to a Windows Server 2003 Terminal Server... The users would like to be able to access removable media inserted into the thin client
10:38	<Gadi> huh. and have you tried testing sound from the Sound Preferences test button?
10:39	<mbooma> meuserj: currently access is only limited to linux systems
10:39	<Gadi> meuserj: which LTSP?
10:39	<meuserj> what would be the best way of doing that.... ltspfsd doesn't seem appropriate...
10:39	<Gadi> if ur using LTSP 4.2 you can grab my package for enabling that
10:39	<mbooma> yeah tried from that section without luck though
10:40	<meuserj> I believe it is LTSP 4.2... though I have no /etc/version file for some reason, so I'm not positive
10:40	<mbooma> Gadi: usbs on windows ? what /which package
10:40	<a5benwillis> hiya Gadi
10:40	<Gadi> meuserj: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#LTSP_4_2_RDP_localdev
10:41	<meuserj> Gadi, thanks, I'll take a look
10:41	<Gadi> a5benwillis: hi
10:41	<mbooma> so Gadi any goodies for my sound ?
10:43	I've ripped my hair out in getting the thing to run
10:43	<Gadi> mbooma: well, you should really isolate where the problem is
10:44	on the server, if you open a shell and run "gstreamer-properties"
10:44	what does the audio sink say?
10:44	(im assuming ur using Gnome)
10:45	<mbooma> yeah gnone
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10:45	<mbooma> Gadi: yup esd setup nice. but without sound
10:46	<Gadi> and when you hit test is there an error?
10:46	or do you just not hear anything?
10:46	<mbooma> nope no error. just no sound
10:46	<Gadi> ok, now... can you adjust the volume on ur thin client speakers?
10:47	<mbooma> Default Output plugin= ESD... but without sound
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10:47	<Psych0> hi there
10:47	<Gadi> ok, but do you have volume adjust knob on ur speakers?
10:48	<mbooma> Default input plugin = alsa
10:48	<Psych0> is there a way to set a TC monitor refresh rate?
10:48	<Gadi> X_VERTREFRESH=<range>
10:48	<mbooma> nope no volume knobs
10:49	<Gadi> mbooma: try setting VOLUME=90 in your lts.conf
10:49	and reboot thin client
10:49	<mbooma> yeah did that
10:49	<Psych0> Gadi, that one is like 60Hz and so one, right?
10:49	<Gadi> I usually do: 60-60
10:49	<mbooma> already try various levels. currently its at 90
10:49	<Gadi> just to be safe
10:49	<Psych0> Gadi, thanks ;)
10:50	<Gadi> mbooma: ok, keep the test sound button going and make sure you:
10:50	a. have the speakers in the right port
10:50	b. that when you plug speakers into the server the sound isnt coming out there
10:51	mbooma: if you arent getting an error, then its usually one of those 2 problems
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10:51	<Gadi> something physical
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10:51	<poro> ogra: about the slowness. I just noticed that my session works faster when I start it from the thinclients shell with X query. But I guess it is just me
10:52	<mbooma> Gadi: : I dont have card in the servcer
10:52	and in the client I have tried all the ports (just in case)
10:52	currently I have headphones as well speaker connected to the client
10:53	but guess what? yup. no error and no sound
10:53	<Gadi> mbooma: are you specifying a driver in your lts.conf?
10:54	if you applied my esd-alsa package, you must specify an alsa sound driver and not an oss one
10:54	<mbooma> yup. mind if I paste in pvt
10:54	<Gadi> ie, snd-cs4236
10:54	go for it
10:55	I hope it reads: SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236"
10:55	:)
10:55	<bricode_> Gadi: More xorg.conf goodness...ugh.
10:55	<Gadi> bricode_: I told u I fixed mine, right?
10:55	<bricode_> Gadi: No...what did you do?
10:56	Gadi: I was fighting last night to get dual head working.
10:56	<Gadi> Option "DDC" "false"
10:56	<mbooma> voila
10:56	<Gadi> :)
10:56	<bricode_> It's pretty sweet.
10:56	<mbooma> exactly
10:56	<bricode_> Gadi: Silly hidden options :)
10:56	<mbooma> gadi: http://pastebin.com/887360
10:56	<Gadi> bricode_: yeah, the DDC xorg mod was throwing out my modelines becase it cant go above 130MHz clock freq
10:56	it=ddc
10:57	<bricode_> Gadi: Weird.
10:57	<Gadi> nah, just doing what it thinks is right
10:57	silly computers
10:57	always think they know best
10:58	pastebin is always slow for me....
10:58	<bricode_> Gadi: Don't they? :)
10:59	<mbooma> Gadi: and yeah I've disabled the global (server) version of esd/nasd, volume thingies
11:00	<Gadi> mbooma: you may also want to drop into a shell and type "hostname"
11:00	make sure you get ws117
11:00	just a sanity check that your settings are actually getting set
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11:01	<mbooma> yup. ws117
11:01	<Gadi> huh.
11:02	thats just weird
11:02	<mbooma> tell me about it
11:02	<Gadi> have you tried a soundblaster driver?
11:02	snd-sb16
11:02	<mbooma> tried couple of other workstation, just to remove the doubt that the physical sound jacks might be busted. but no luck. same thing there
11:03	the snd module is the right one cuz when I dont load the module /var/log/messeges still logs/detects this module
11:03	<Gadi> and no errors on the thin client side on boot right
11:03	<mbooma> nope none
11:04	<Gadi> if you open a terminal on the thin client desktop and type: esdplay <some wav file>
11:04	do you get anything?
11:05	<mbooma> nope. no sound. along with no errors
11:05	<Gadi> how about: echo $ESPEAKER
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11:06	<mbooma> tnframe ~]$ echo $ESPEAKER output is ws117:16001
11:07	the debug shell also coughs up esd to be running when I "ps aux \|grep esd
11:07	<Gadi> ok, do you have a shell on the thin client that you can pop over to?
11:07	i gues you do
11:08	<mbooma> like I said f*&#K the "sound on ltsp terminal" doc inside out
11:08	<Gadi> ok, at the shell type: alsamixer
11:09	<mbooma> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
11:09	<Gadi> see what the volumes of the channels look like
11:09	ah....
11:09	at the shell, do: lsmod\|grep snd
11:11	<mbooma> in the debug shell "alsamixer" gave me the gui kinda thingy but I already incread the PCM, and master digital audio to 70
11:12	<Gadi> ok, try this:
11:12	on the server, copy a wav file to: /opt/ltsp/i386/
11:12	<mbooma> yeah in a debug shell I've lots of snd module loaded
11:12	u mean /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/ ?
11:12	<Gadi> sure
11:13	whichever is ur ltsp root for the thin client
11:13	<mbooma> did that startup.wav & tried running it without luck
11:13	<Gadi> (did you make sure to install my package to that dir? - default is /opt/ltsp/)
11:14	<mbooma> I copied to /etc/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/ and I see the file there. so I spose this directory has been chrooted
11:14	yeah I installed then in /opt/ltsp-4.2/
11:14	<Gadi> ok. on the shell, type: aplay /etc/startup.wav
11:17	<mbooma> In the debug shell it says Playing .......wav file. : Signed 16 bit little endian ....
11:17	<Gadi> and do you hear it?
11:17	<mbooma> but in the user shell I get the errors I pvt pasted u some..
11:17	<Gadi> Im not getting any pvt msgs
11:17	<mbooma> ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'
11:17	ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device
11:18	......... etc..
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11:18	<Gadi> sounds like it doesnt see ur card
11:18	alsa that is
11:18	<mbooma> but this is in the normal(gui) user shell. knsole and not the debug shell
11:19	<Gadi> I would question whether its the right driver
11:19	oh, no
11:19	<mbooma> but then why Im not hearing the preference-> sound .. test etc..
11:19	<Gadi> all this should be done in the debug shell
11:19	not gui
11:19	gui is on the server
11:19	<mbooma> yeah. like I said debug plays its (kinda okay) but without sound
11:20	debug shell i.e.
11:20	<Gadi> when you do aplay in the debug shell
11:20	<mbooma> mbooma: In the debug shell it says Playing .......wav file. : Signed 16 bit little endian ....
11:20	<Gadi> right?
11:20	ah, ok
11:20	if that says its playing
11:20	and you get no errors
11:20	<mbooma> yeah no errors
11:20	<Gadi> then your speakers are not working
11:20	the volume's not up
11:21	or you're in the wrong jack
11:21	<mbooma> tried/changed few speakers/headphones
11:21	did the mathematical permutation/combination on all the 3 jacks
11:21	<Gadi> heh
11:21	<mbooma> with one change
11:21	<Gadi> and alsamixer from the debug shell
11:21	you turned all the volumes up?
11:22	<mbooma> yeah all the volumes. most importantly the PCM & master digital sound
11:22	baffling isnt it ?
11:23	<Gadi> sure is
11:23	did you check the bios?
11:23	maybe the bios has sound turned off?
11:23	<mbooma> nope ? for what ? enabling disabling the sound ? hmm. wait. letme check my adjacent systems bios
11:24	sound / speaker are on
11:24	ON i.e.
11:25	any other ideas ? Im open to all
11:26	Gadi: u there ?
11:27	<Gadi> heh, im stumped
11:27	<mbooma> wait do I need toi chmod the /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer ot uo+rw ?
11:28	just going thru one of the docs
11:29	<Gadi> they are irrelevant
11:29	<mbooma> btw the alsamixer shows the master digital to be "off" although the volume is turned up
11:30	<Gadi> oh, well turn that on
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11:31	<mbooma> Gadi: u rock like hell
11:31	and Im dumb like it
11:32	stupid , idiot , how could I miss it.
11:32	* Gadi wonders why it was off
11:32	<mbooma> thanx Gadi. didnt run into this GUI kinda tool (alsamixer) was flirting with aumixer, or amixers
11:32	<Gadi> it should have been turned on by rc.sound when the thin client booted
11:32	wait
11:32	it wont stick
11:32	try a reboot
11:33	<mbooma> yeah. then how come its not
11:33	how do I make it permenant
11:33	or survive the boot
11:34	### for ALSA, we use amixer
11:34	amixer sset Master,70 ${VOLUME}% unmute
11:34	amixer sset Headphone,70 ${HEADPHONE_VOLUME}% unmute
11:34	amixer sset PCM,70 ${PCM_VOLUME}% unmute
11:35	<Gadi> 1 sec
11:35	ph call
11:35	<mbooma> these are the some of the lines. I tired this 70 thing myself. but it was erroring on me on the boot.
11:35	okay
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11:36	<Gadi> mbooma: can you try rebooting the thin client, drop into shell, run alsamixer and see if its off?
11:37	<mbooma> okay see u in a bit
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11:39	<meuserj> Gadi, ok, I tried the RDP localdev packages you sent me to... doesn't seem to work. is there anything special I need to do besides the two lts.conf lines? This is the ltsp distributed by Ubuntu if that makes a difference..
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11:40	<Gadi> Ubuntu's LTSP doesn't even have rdesktop as a screen sript does it?
11:40	<meuserj> when I startup as a shell, the lbussd daemon does not seem to be running... if I try to run it manuall, it complains that it is a read only filesystem. .should I set up a tmpfs mount or something?
11:40	<mbooma> Gadi: nope didnt survive the boot
11:41	<meuserj> Gadi, I made a rdeskop script for it.
11:41	<Gadi> mbooma: ok, drop into the shell and type: amixer scontrols
11:41	meuserj: ah
11:41	well, that pkg was intended for LTSP 4.2
11:41	<mbooma> yup everything is down to 0
11:41	<Gadi> I don't know if it would work with ubuntu's ltsp
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11:42	<mbooma> meuserj: : try edubuntu
11:42	<Gadi> mbooma: what is the name of the master control?
11:42	<mbooma> Master Digital
11:42	<Gadi> nah, edubuntu doesnt have support for that either
11:43	<meuserj> Gadi, ok, I'll look through the package scripts and see what it is intending to do and see if I can port it over to the way Ubuntu does it
11:43	<mbooma> gadi and PCM
11:43	<Gadi> ok, now try: amixer sset Master Digital,0 90 unmute
11:43	in the shell
11:43	<meuserj> Ubuntu == Edubuntu... they aren't different distros... only difference is the set of default packages installed.
11:44	<Gadi> meuserj: I can tell you what it does
11:44	in 4.2, there is an "lbus" system
11:44	that does not exist in UbuntuLTSP
11:44	because ubuntu does everything through the ssh socket
11:45	what that package does is it runs lbussd on the thin client and expects to hear from lbuscd about hotplug events
11:45	but, none of the lbus stuff is in there
11:46	I have done some work on RDP+localdev in LTSP 5 (Ubuntu LTSP)
11:46	<mbooma> Gadi: amixer sset 'Master Digita'l,0 90 unmute and mixer sset 'PCM',0 90 unmute
11:46	<Gadi> basically, it boils down to installing autofs in the chroot
11:46	<mbooma> is doing the trick
11:46	<Gadi> and setting up automounter
11:46	<meuserj> Gadi, ah, I see.. ultimately all I need is a way for the thin client to automatically mount drives when they are inserted.. because I can forward everything to the server via rdesktop
11:46	<Gadi> meuserj: correct
11:46	and in ltspfs, the drives arent mounted upon insertion
11:47	mbooma: ok, add a line to your /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/rc.sound
11:47	right under the one where it sets the Master chanel
11:47	<mbooma> where ?
11:47	<Gadi> an identiacal line but with 'Master Digital'
11:48	line 89
11:48	<meuserj> this has basically been solved if you are running a full fledged desktop..... but no one thought to create a lightweight solution if you don't want to run the whole project utopia stack.... grrr
11:48	<Gadi> amixer sset Master,0 ${VOLUME}% unmute
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11:48	<Gadi> add another that reads: amixer sset 'Master Digital',0 ${VOLUME}% unmute
11:49	meuserj: zactly
11:49	all the volume mounters are built into the desktops
11:49	and they are all pretty heavy
11:52	<mbooma> Gadi: shouldn't I set the volume level to say around 70 etc.
11:52	?
11:52	<Gadi> mbooma: if you keep it as a variable, you can set it in lts.conf
11:53	<mbooma> ahh
11:54	<Gadi> you get the problem right? seems the master channel for that card's driver is called "Master Digital" rather than "Master" (like on all the cards I have)
11:54	so, we need to have it set both
11:54	:)
11:54	I'll add it to my rc.sound and upload a new pkg when I get a chance
11:55	<mbooma> hey hey. I contributed to ltsp project
11:55	which other idiot could have suffered from this
11:56	should I give it a reboot ?
11:56	<Gadi> yup
11:56	<mbooma> okay bbiab
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11:59	<mbooma> Gadi: Im speechless
11:59	it works flawlessly
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12:01	<mbooma> Gadi: okay onto new problem. the package u said about mounting usb drives under windows. would it work with multi os enviornment (I've a linux at screen1 and windoze in screen2
12:01	<Gadi> mbooma: it shoudl
12:01	er, should
12:01	<mbooma> is it production ready
12:01	?
12:02	<Gadi> is anything we do?
12:02	;)
12:02	<mbooma> man u r good
12:02	how old are u ?
12:02	<Gadi> old enough to have been around the block too many times
12:02	but not as much as Jim ;)
12:03	* Gadi kicks jammcq's rocking chair
12:03	<mbooma> yeah hes a giant the buzzard in the LOTR movie
12:03	<Gadi> heh
12:03	<mbooma> okay man I'll see u around. kiss kiss
12:04	<Gadi> oh, and im happily married, too, btw
12:04	:P
12:04	<mbooma> gonna go now. cya :)
12:04	<Gadi> cya
12:04	<mbooma> rock on
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12:18	<a5benwillis> Gadi: U around?
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12:19	<Gadi> physically. emotionally. psychologically -> maybe
12:28	<meuserj> Gadi, ok.. using autofs I have a solution that will work for now. thanks for the tips
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12:32	<cliebow_> Gadi:your webmin/symbio pkg still available? url?
12:33	<Gadi> cliebow_: its not very well maintained anymore, what with Ubuntu and K12LTSP having more in the way of mgmt tools these days
12:33	<a5benwillis> Gadi: Im still workingon this SSH problem
12:33	I did get a patch from the OpenSSH guys but it doesnt seem to fixit. bah
12:34	<Gadi> a5benwillis: did you get nss_ncp going?
12:34	<cliebow_> just need to play with dhcp management..thought your code might b a good place to start..not to sure how to pasrse dhcpd.conf..and add/subtract entries
12:34	<a5benwillis> havent gotten to that yet. wanted to test this thing from them first.
12:35	Mainly because the NSS switch fixwill require a major change to my existing user accounts
12:35	<Gadi> really?
12:35	why?
12:35	<cliebow_> why?me?
12:35	<Gadi> heh, sorry
12:35	a5benwillis: why
12:36	<cliebow_> what? me? worry?
12:36	<Gadi> cliebow_: ah
12:36	<a5benwillis> actually, i take that back... I havent gotten that far along in testing or thinkingabout NSS. We thought that the ncp module may be able to make that work transparently.
12:36	<Gadi> a5benwillis: are the ncp usernames = unix usernames?
12:37	<cliebow_> how did you attack mltiline dhcpd.conf entries?
12:37	<a5benwillis> but, ifthis patch wouldwork it would have made things much simpler one it was in place because only a single pam authentication module wouldbe need for all of the configuration.
12:37	<cliebow_> in 5 seconds or less 8~)
12:37	<Gadi> cliebow_: you mean specifying workstations?
12:37	<cliebow_> yeah..
12:37	<Gadi> let me dig up an example and ill pastebin it
12:38	<cliebow_> im thinking a perl cgi page to administer dhcp for our winders admins
12:38	<a5benwillis> Gadi: The will be if this module would work because ncp usernames wouldbe created in unix. Is that what youre asking?
12:38	<cliebow_> since i finally see the light ahead to throw out windows dhc[
12:39	<a5benwillis> Gadi: Ordo youwant to know if they are compatible? The nds usernames dont workwith UID etc.
12:39	<Gadi> no no I just mean very superficially - are they the same usernames?
12:39	or do you munge them?
12:39	<a5benwillis> cliebow: I used Novell dhcp servers to boot my PXE clients....
12:40	Gadi: Yes they are the same. Thewhole purpose is to be able to manage all users form NDS.
12:40	<cliebow_> i use linux on port 1001/2 and windows for pxe..netvista..macintosh
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12:42	<Gadi> a5benwillis: then, nss+pam should do the trick for you
12:42	* kaminski-ltsp-br is back
12:43	* kaminski-ltsp-br is back
12:43	<Gadi> cliebow_: http://pastebin.com/887440
12:43	<cliebow_> gotcha
12:44	pastebin is being difficult..
12:45	<a5benwillis> always is
12:45	<Gadi> cliebow_: I'm sending you another one which services fat and thin clients and allows unspecified workstations to connect
12:46	as soon as pastebin cooperates
12:46	<cliebow_> cool..pastein must be on dialup
12:47	ahh
12:47	<Gadi> u aint kidding
12:47	here: http://pastebin.com/887445
12:48	<a5benwillis> memory leak..
12:48	<cliebow_> i was more thinking perl code to manipulate said dhcpd.cnf
12:48	<Gadi> ah...
12:48	well thats a bit more involved
12:48	:)
12:48	my code'll make you crazy
12:48	best to stay away
12:48	<cliebow_> so no worries..i have several to work with..one i swiped from smoothwall
12:49	<mistik1_> lol @ Gadi
12:49	<Gadi> mistik1_ knows the score ;)
12:49	<cliebow_> besides..i'm already crazy!
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12:53	<a5benwillis> mistik1_: Hola
12:53	<cliebow_> Gadi: any bright way to open that workstation manager rpm?
12:55	cpio?
12:56	<Gadi> there's an old tgz file on the sf.net site
12:56	that should have the code you need
12:56	<mistik1_> a5benwillis: hey
12:56	<Gadi> but, an old version
12:57	but, prolly as old as the rpm ;)
12:58	<a5benwillis> Gadi: Do you understand whatthe comment in this post means?
12:58	<cliebow_> rpm2cpio?
12:58	<a5benwillis> http://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269#c3
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13:00	<Gadi> heh, cute hack
13:00	a5benwillis: they are basically making an nsswitch module that always returns true to a name lookup
13:00	<a5benwillis> soI complie the nss module
13:00	then useit in nsswitch
13:01	<-cant type today
13:02	<Gadi> yeah, compile it using "permit.so" instead of "passwd.so"
13:02	put it in the right place
13:02	and edit your /etc/nsswitch.conf to have: passwd: compat permit
13:02	and then restart ssh
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13:04	<knight> hi all
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13:07	<knight> any improvements on wireless ltsp
13:08	<cliebow_> knight:i dont think anyone has addressed tit
13:08	it
13:08	<a5benwillis> Gadi: Should I be able to compliethat on my workstationthen copy it over to the server without problems?
13:08	<Gadi> are they the same distro?
13:08	<a5benwillis> yes
13:08	<Gadi> both 32-bit x86?
13:08	<a5benwillis> well, edubuntu andubuntu
13:08	but both edgy
13:09	yes
13:09	<Gadi> should be good-to-go
13:09	<a5benwillis> I sure am learning alot by trying to getthis working
13:10	<Gadi> well, its too bad you've had to resort to hackery :)
13:10	one would think with Novell being a Linux company, this might be easier ;)
13:10	<a5benwillis> isnt that the spirit of Linux
13:10	<KeepWalking_> i cant get found templates
13:10	<a5benwillis> if it dont work changeit so it will
13:10	erm spirit of open source
13:11	<Gadi> the spirit of Linux is that if it don't work it'll be fixed and assimilated into the Borg collective
13:11	<knight> ok
13:11	<a5benwillis> lol
13:11	<knight> so nothing has been done for wireless thin client computing
13:11	<a5benwillis> where would be the right place to put this module? Can I put it anywhere and just reference it will the full path in nss?
13:11	<Gadi> knight: LTSP is not a good fit for wireless
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13:12	<knight> ok why not
13:12	<Gadi> unless you use an external wireless bridge
13:12	<cliebow_> knight..there is an ancient floppy image..\
13:12	<Gadi> because there is no such thing as "dumb wireless"
13:12	:)
13:12	<knight> lol
13:12	<Gadi> and LTSP is all about dumb clients
13:12	<KeepWalking_> where can i found initial sciprts foe ltsp?
13:12	<Gadi> if you use a wireless bridge, then you're better off
13:13	<knight> oh ok
13:13	<Gadi> otherwise, use something like knoppix or PXES andconnect to the server
13:13	<cliebow_> you need a kernel to initisalize most wireless..but ltsp is about d/ling the kernel across the nnetwork...
13:13	<Gadi> zactly
13:13	<cliebow_> catch 22
13:14	<Gadi> easier to have a bootable floppy/cd/usb with an OS and connect to the server
13:14	<knight> I have an Idea with wireless booting
13:14	<Gadi> or have an external wireless bridge connected to your LAN port and use LTSP
13:14	<knight> I will finish the documentation
13:14	and publish it
13:14	also test it
13:15	<Gadi> sounds good
13:15	<cliebow_> knight:speak up while you have a wizard here
13:15	<Gadi> we're always open to new ideas
13:15	<knight> ok
13:15	well
13:16	this is a little IDEA
13:16	have a wireless router
13:16	most preferable openwrt
13:16	<KeepWalking_> i cant found my templates folder
13:17	<knight> and if you take a look at creating
13:17	<meduxa> http://www.laopinion.es/media/suplementos/2007-02-26_SUP_2007-02-19_14_37_31_etc.pdf
13:17	if you look at page 13 of this pdf you will see an article about LTSP project
13:17	I wrote and it was published in a local newspaper
13:17	here in tenerife, spain last sunday
13:18	this sunday they will publish a second one
13:18	it is in spanish
13:18	the newspaper is La Opinion de Tenerife : www.laopinion.es
13:18	<knight> bootable cd which allows the nic card
13:19	<Gadi> meduxa: impresivo!
13:19	:)
13:19	<knight> to boot in pxe
13:19	<KeepWalking_> where can i get initial scripts?
13:20	<cliebow_> KeepWalking_, how do you mean?a lot is built into the initramfs
13:20	<Gadi> knight: the problem is, PXE is just that: Preboot eXecution Environment
13:20	so, its by definition pre-OS
13:20	<knight> ok
13:20	<Gadi> but, you need an OS to initialize the wireless
13:21	there is currently no support for wireless PXE
13:21	<knight> which means we can specify a ssid and a password?
13:21	<Gadi> mostly because there's so much more config for wireless
13:21	<knight> right
13:21	but why not start small
13:21	<a5benwillis> where would be the right place to put this module? Can I put it anywhere and just reference it will the full path in nss?
13:21	<Gadi> the best you can hope for is to boot to a Linux kernel that will download the linux kernel from LTSP and kexec it
13:21	but kexec is very new
13:22	<knight> ok
13:22	but
13:22	<a5benwillis> oh crap
13:22	<cliebow_> oooh..two kernel monte...Gadi you played at LL EITH IT?
13:22	<knight> the ltsp server will be wired
13:22	<Gadi> and if ur gonna go to all that trouble, you might as well just put an OS on C and use XDMCP to connect to the application server
13:22	<a5benwillis> now I ant run sudo. ARGH
13:22	* cliebow_ cliebow pries the capslock key off and trashes it
13:22	<Gadi> the ltsp server will be wired?
13:23	i thought we were talking wireless
13:23	<knight> the ltsp will be wired to an openwrt
13:23	there will be changes on the dhcp conf file of the openwrt
13:23	<cliebow_> there
13:23	<knight> to make the thinclients boot to the ltsp server
13:23	I will test it and write a documentation
13:23	<a5benwillis> cliebow:What can I do to fix this? "Sudo: timestamp to far in the future"
13:24	<knight> so you guys can take a look at it
13:24	<Gadi> kighah, so you would use the openwrt as a wireless bridge
13:24	<cliebow_> hmmm.time is ok on the server?
13:24	<Gadi> that works
13:24	done that before
13:24	even with a 5-port switch and a wireless bridge
13:24	<a5benwillis> I hadjustchanged it because it was wrong.
13:24	restart x?
13:25	<knight> nope
13:25	htats not what I mean
13:25	thats
13:25	<cliebow_> i dont know if a copy of that file will get a new timestamp
13:25	<knight> I wil document it better so you guys can understand it
13:26	<Gadi> okey dokey
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13:26	<KeepWalking_> im going crazy!!! theres no /opt/ltsp/templates!!!
13:26	where can i get that templates?
13:27	<a5benwillis> cliebow: sudo -K fixed it
13:27	<cliebow_> .ahh good man
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13:27	* Gadi has no idea what /opt/ltsp/templates is....
13:27	<Gadi> anyone?
13:27	<a5benwillis> Gadi: Where would be the right place to put this module? Can I put it anywhere and just reference it will the full path in nss?
13:28	<cliebow_> me neither..
13:28	<Gadi> where is ur libnss*?
13:28	prolly /usr/lib
13:28	<a5benwillis> yes
13:28	<Gadi> it needs to go in an ldconfig path
13:28	so, I shoot for /usr/lib
13:28	:)
13:28	<mistik1_> Its a pam module right?
13:29	<a5benwillis> yes
13:29	<Gadi> oh
13:29	<a5benwillis> no
13:29	nss module
13:29	<mistik1_> ok, lead on then Gadi
13:30	<Gadi> Im just going by the page a5benwillis posted
13:30	:)
13:30	* Gadi knows nothin about birthin no babies
13:32	<a5benwillis> ok time to learn about nsswitch
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13:35	<AbuSami> cliewbow_ ,there ?
13:35	my question is : I need to vnc a thin client, is this possible ?
13:36	Gadi, did you look about it ?
13:36	<Gadi> AbuSami: are you on LTSP 4.2?
13:36	<AbuSami> yes
13:36	<Gadi> then, its easy
13:36	<cliebow_> Abusami:several ways to do it
13:36	<AbuSami> well
13:37	<Gadi> on the server, create a vnc passwd
13:37	<AbuSami> how this
13:37	<Gadi> using vncpasswd
13:37	<cliebow_> did you look at the wiki?
13:37	<AbuSami> okay
13:37	<Gadi> copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.vnc/passwd (you must create this directory)
13:37	<AbuSami> cliebow_ : sorry, I didn't
13:38	Gadi, then
13:38	<a5benwillis> Gadi: Do I just rename permit.so to libnss_permit.so.2??
13:38	<Gadi> then, in lts.conf add: X4_MODULE_01 = vnc
13:39	<cliebow_> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc
13:39	<Gadi> AbuSami: then, reboot the thin client. and from then on, you should be able to connect to it with: vncviewer <thin-client-ip>:0
13:40	or you can do it the way cliebow_ suggests
13:40	with x11vnc
13:40	<AbuSami> cliebow_, thank you :)
13:40	Gadi : thanks I got it
13:40	<cliebow_> y links are screwed though
13:40	<Gadi> depends if you want it going all the time
13:40	or on demand
13:40	cliebow_: does that wiki still run it with ssh?
13:40	<AbuSami> no all the time, because the instructor have to see the students on the clients
13:41	<Gadi> I have found it nice (tho less secure) to have it run from inetd
13:41	<cliebow_> Gadi: yes..ssh in start x11vnc wait a few seconds then vncviewer
13:41	i never tried vnc.so
13:41	<Gadi> ah, with inetd no need to wait
13:42	<cliebow_> i need to study what you just said..is that good for ltsp5 as well?
13:42	<a5benwillis> Gadi:Quick question, I think. Hope you guys are done..
13:43	<Gadi> a5benwillis: sorry - short attention span
13:43	look! a bird!
13:43	<cliebow_> a plane!
13:44	ok.. a rasta farian ..an atheist and a Jewish fellow walk into a bar..
13:44	<Gadi> a5benwillis: I believe when you compile that code, it'll produce a libnss.....
13:44	<AbuSami> thanks all, bye
13:44	<Gadi> oy vey es mir
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13:45	<a5benwillis> I did this on my machine
13:45	sudo gcc -c -o permit.c
13:46	<cliebow_> Gadi: your way is far too easy
13:46	<a5benwillis> oops
13:46	sudo gcc -c -o permit.opermit.c
13:46	<Gadi> a5benwillis: I think you need to keep everything passwd
13:46	<a5benwillis> sudo gcc --shared -o permit.so permit.o
13:46	<Gadi> until the "permit.so"
13:46	in the second command
13:46	<a5benwillis> oh ok
13:48	souse permit.so in the second command instead od passwd.so?
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13:49	<Gadi> y
13:49	<a5benwillis> Gadi: So this comand: ' sudo gcc --shared -o permit.so passwd.o
13:49	'
13:49	<cliebow_> !seen ogra
13:49	<ltspbot> cliebow_: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 54 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <ogra> so all changes you make in 25-custom will become defaults
13:49	<Gadi> y
13:49	<a5benwillis> should produce the file libnss.permit.so.2??
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13:50	<a5benwillis> well, it made the file permit.so
13:50	so how do I get libnss.permit.so.2?
13:52	<Gadi> hmm
13:52	try using "permit" instead of "permit.so"
13:52	the post seems to suggest that will make a libnss_permit.so.2
13:52	<a5benwillis> that just makes a 'permit' file
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13:54	<Gadi> hmm
13:54	not sure
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13:54	<Gadi> so maybe try: libnss_permit.so.2
13:55	<a5benwillis> ok
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13:59	<a5benwillis> done
13:59	so in nsswitch I put passwd:compat permit ??
13:59	<Gadi> yup
13:59	<a5benwillis> do I putthe libnss.permit.so.2 there?
13:59	<Gadi> no
13:59	just permit
13:59	<a5benwillis> oh ok
13:59	<Gadi> libnss goes in /usr/lib
13:59	i believe
14:00	<bricode_> knight: I'm interested in wireless LTSP. Don't let these kids fool you :)
14:00	<a5benwillis> well that was different LOL
14:01	let me see whatthe log file sais happened
14:01	<Gadi> bricode_'s lookin for a fight
14:01	we settle are fights on the playground
14:01	3:00
14:01	dont be late
14:01	<cliebow_> kids..
14:03	<a5benwillis> well it didnteven hit my pam module after that change
14:03	i type the password and thessh connection closes
14:04	<bricode_> Gadi: Well, you know I'm a fat client kid.
14:04	Gadi: And I'll be pushing the wireless :)
14:04	I like to disturb the status quo.
14:04	<Gadi> its always the fat kids....
14:04	<bricode_> only issue is flakey NFS kills the client.
14:04	Gadi: You got something against fatties? :)
14:05	<Gadi> i eat fatties like you for breakfast
14:05	:)
14:05	<cliebow_> lesse..on the feminine side...warmth in the winter
14:05	shade in...
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14:06	<cliebow_> I'd LOVE to send these ibooks out as wireless clients..
14:06	but it doesnt look so promising..
14:06	<bricode_> It's cold where I am. -9C...calculation to fahrenheit left as an exercise to the reader.
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14:07	<bricode_> cliebow: I've been doing a lot of thinking about it. Haven't totally figured out all the wrinkles yet.
14:07	cliebow: This week was dual head thin clients. Next week Manhatten and Berlin.
14:07	<cliebow_> bricode..do it all the time...double the number..move decimal place once and subtract..then add 32
14:08	-9 18 16.2 49.2
14:08	heh
14:08	<bricode_> cliebow: Um, that didn't quite work out.
14:09	<cliebow_> -9 -18 ..-16.2 add 32
14:09	ah hell..
14:09	<bricode_> cliebow: closer.
14:10	cliebow: how many power books do you run in your setup?
14:10	<cliebow_> 150 here
14:10	another 150 in middel school more or less
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14:11	<bricode_> cliebow: And you want to run all of them wirelessly?
14:11	<a5benwillis> Gadi: Any idea what i've done wrong?
14:11	scary question
14:11	<cliebow_> no.. just a thought..they run wirelessly in osx
14:12	bricode: my last must be close..15.8 F
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14:13	<bricode_> Yeah, I'll give you the last one. First one wasn't even below freezing :)
14:14	<Gadi> a5benwillis: did you remember to restart ssh?
14:14	<a5benwillis> yes
14:14	<Gadi> what happens if you type: getent passwd
14:15	<a5benwillis> oh wait!
14:15	checking logfile
14:15	<cliebow_> those minuses will do it..
14:15	<knight> bricode_ ok man
14:15	I will work on it
14:15	<a5benwillis> eventhough it didntlet me log in itdid use the NCP module and it authenticated!
14:15	<knight> and create a documentation
14:15	<a5benwillis> i bet I need to enable non root logins to ssh
14:16	<Gadi> sounds good
14:16	<cliebow_> be sure you document it when you get to WOOOOOOOT!
14:16	<bricode_> knight: I'm more interested in a small kernel that loads wireless and other stuff (WPA), then loads a larger kernel from the server with more stuff in it (ie: USB module support).
14:16	<Gadi> bricode_: aka kexec
14:16	<bricode_> knight: But the OpenWRT stuff is good too. I've got it installed on my router here.
14:16	<Gadi> nobody listens to me
14:16	<bricode_> Gadi: Yes.
14:16	<Gadi> not even the fat kids
14:16	<cliebow_> Hahah
14:17	<bricode_> Gadi: Oh, I listened, just didn't acknowledge you. Fattie hater :)
14:17	<knight> kik
14:17	lol
14:17	<cliebow_> id like to play kexec on the netvista clients..a 2.6 kernel is larger enough to bork them
14:17	<bricode_> Gadi: That's what Jim was talking about when I was down in MTV.
14:17	<Gadi> yeah, jim's a talker
14:18	;)
14:18	where is jammcq?
14:18	<jammcq> I don't talk
14:18	never
14:18	ever
14:18	<knight> lol
14:18	<Gadi> there he is
14:18	<jammcq> well, maybe sometimes
14:18	<cliebow_> postulates
14:18	<knight> so you see what I mean right
14:18	<pscheie> jammcq: do you even own a phone?
14:18	<mistik1_> a5benwillis: You better document this, its an area in which I have much interest but never a NDS to play with
14:18	<knight> you see the vision
14:18	<jammcq> pscheie: pfff, yes
14:18	* Gadi wipes up the drool around grandpa jammcq's lips
14:18	<mistik1_> lol
14:18	* bricode_ connects the dots...jammcq == Jim
14:19	<jammcq> heh
14:19	<knight> work with openwrt to make thinclients bootup from a wired ltsp server
14:19	<Gadi> its like weekend at bernies around here
14:19	* bricode_ is a little slow occasionally
14:19	<mistik1_> jammcq: I still remember the first time we met, You had no voice left with which to talk ;)
14:19	<Gadi> fat kids aint terribly quick
14:19	<jammcq> mistik1_: yeah, talked too much that week
14:19	<a5benwillis> mistik1_: Will do
14:20	<cliebow_> ok gents: heading to the hospital to check on my Mom..Save the good stuff for when i getr home ok?
14:20	<mistik1_> Blessing for cliebow_'s Mom
14:20	<cliebow_> 8~)
14:21	hopefully feisty will install itself while i drive..
14:21	<a5benwillis> Gadi: I think all I need to do now is replace the ssh_conf withthe ltsp one
14:21	when I reinstalled openssh from source it wrote a new one
14:21	<Gadi> i dont think there's a special one for ltsp
14:22	you just want the ubuntu
14:22	apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server
14:23	but, if you do that, dont forget to run ltsp-update-ssheys
14:23	because ur keys will prolly change
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14:26	<a5benwillis> my goodness, so closebut not yet working
14:26	deep breath
14:27	WAIT!!!
14:27	HAH
14:27	<Gadi> (here come the capitl letters...)
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14:31	<a5benwillis> no, spoke to soon
14:31	itsbeing authenticated by NCP now Gadi
14:32	yet it stillsays failed password for ssh2
14:33	mistik1_: You still here?
14:33	Im gonna pastebin this log entry, theres abt 20 lines, for you guys to see
14:34	<Gadi> okey dokey
14:34	<a5benwillis> waiting on patebin to load...
14:36	whatdoe the compat line do in nsswitch?
14:36	<Gadi> do you understand the concept of nsswitch?
14:36	in general?
14:36	<a5benwillis> for the most part
14:36	it tells what order and whereto check for authorization
14:37	right?
14:37	file
14:37	http://pastebin.com/887523
14:37	mistik1_: You'll find thisinteresting
14:38	<Gadi> well, it tells which order to look up "names"
14:38	ie which databases and in which order
14:38	<davidj> I'm off....
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14:41	<Gadi> a5benwillis: looks like the ncpmount is failing
14:41	<a5benwillis> yeah, butthat shouldntfail the whole authentication.it doesnt for gdm
14:42	<Gadi> it seems ssh is more picky
14:42	<a5benwillis> for sure
14:42	<Gadi> it wants everything in your ncp pam module to succeed
14:43	<a5benwillis> i can turn that off easily
14:43	<Gadi> is there a way you can not do the ncpmount?
14:44	* KeepWalking_ theres no /opt/ltsp/templates!!! why?
14:44	<mistik1_> hmm
14:45	a5benwillis: I'm assuming you have tested ncpmount outside of the ss login attempt
14:46	Its only failing because of the mount
14:47	ssh is not part of this equation at all
14:47	ssh is failing because pam_ncp_auth is returning with error
14:47	<Gadi> unless the equation is: ssh(success) = ncpmount(success) * fudge factor
14:47	<mistik1_> heh
14:48	<a5benwillis> howdo I clearmy clipboard ?
14:48	i cant copy/paste. tryinga change to the auth line
14:48	<Gadi> tissue paper?
14:48	<mistik1_> lol
14:48	<a5benwillis> lol
14:50	i got it
14:51	<mistik1_> as in it works?
14:51	<KeepWalking_> i need ltsp_initialize... but its not on /opt/ltsp/templates
14:51	how can i get it? help me please
14:51	<a5benwillis> no, i got the clipboard to work
14:51	sry
14:52	<mistik1_> KeepWalking_: what are you talking about?
14:52	<KeepWalking_> mistik1_
14:53	<mistik1_> first of all if that dont exist then #1 You did not install correctly #2 You are using a version of ltsp that does not use that
14:54	<KeepWalking_> mistik1_ the newest versions dont need them?
14:54	<mistik1_> If its not there after install, obviously not
14:55	<KeepWalking_> mistik1_ so not even one script to config dhcp, gdm? nothing?
14:56	<Gadi> KeepWalking_: what version are you trying to install?
14:56	<mistik1_> iirc that script was history a few versions ago
14:57	<KeepWalking_> Gadi 4.2
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14:58	<mistik1_> KeepWalking_: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42
14:58	read that
14:58	closer to the mark http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#Installation_of_LTSP_4_2
15:01	<KeepWalking_> mistik1_ thanks
15:01	<mistik1_> sure
15:05	<a5benwillis> wel the nvpmount doeswork for me whenI log in via ssh
15:05	but I already exist on the server.
15:07	<Gadi> do other users work if you take the ncpmount stuff out?
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15:13	<a5benwillis> hmm
15:13	will ssh not loetyou log in if thepassword matches the userid?
15:14	<KeepWalking_> bye thanxz all
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15:14	<a5benwillis> the account I was testing with is setup this way
15:14	<dan__t> bleh.
15:14	Anyone running 4.2 over FC6, with all the FC updates?
15:14	I seem to be hitting a brick wall with some Firefox issues... just trying to see how this all relates.
15:14	A few sites will kill Firefox
15:17	<a5benwillis> sry dan, not me
15:18	<mistik1_> dan__t: prolly flash
15:20	<dan__t> wikipedia.com has no flash on it :)
15:26	<Gadi> dan__t: open a terminal and run: strace -o strace.out firefox
15:26	then, when it barfs, you can look at the end of strace.out
15:26	and see why perhaps
15:26	<dan__t> good idea, brb.
15:28	<a5benwillis> Gadi: Im lost, again
15:29	when I try to log in asa user that doesnt already exist it asksfor the passowrd, I can seein the log file thatit authenticates them. But the last thing it doesis fail the userin sshd
15:31	<mistik1_> a5benwillis: this is a user that exists in the NDS but does not on the linux server?
15:31	<a5benwillis> yes
15:31	<mistik1_> use pam_mkhomedir
15:31	<a5benwillis> but the ncp module will do that.
15:31	<mistik1_> It will create the homedir of the user on login if it does not exist
15:31	ok
15:32	Then i'm on the wrong track :)
15:32	<Gadi> a5benwillis: is it failing with the ncpmount?
15:32	or just in general
15:32	<mistik1_> lets see the log
15:33	<a5benwillis> it fails whetheri have the ncpmountopion on or not
15:34	let me pastebin them
15:40	pastebin is slow
15:40	.
15:40	but heres the line that fails:
15:40	Feb 22 15:03:09 EduBuntuLTSP sshd[25534]: Failed password for studentmcms from 10.10.15.1 port 54144 ssh2
15:40	I'll have url in just a sec
15:40	* erdinc bye aLL..
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15:41	<a5benwillis> .
15:41	link
15:41	.
15:41	http://pastebin.com/887573
15:46	you know what, I wonder if the other patch that I installed with new openssh source could be conflicting
15:46	Should I make uninstall it or just do apt-get reinstall?
15:47	<Gadi> (15:19:21) Gadi: apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server
15:47	(15:20:09) Gadi: but, if you do that, dont forget to run ltsp-update-ssheys
15:52	gotta run, a5benwillis
15:52	may the force be with you
15:54	<a5benwillis> thanks man!
15:54	have a good weekend
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16:44	<joebaker_>
16:47	GDM Logouts.... Does GDM wait for all user processes to die before letting go of a logout session? I run a persistant screen session for an ncurses chat program. I find that my logouts of an XDMCP session lock up the thin client such that I cannot switch over to a text console (ctrl-alt-F1) for example.
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17:06	<KeepWalking_> hi
17:06	i get the ip and try to get the file, but always says file not found, when the IS there
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17:08	<daniQ> cliebow - can't open modem
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17:17	<KeepWalking_> i get the ip from dhcpd and try to get the file, but always says file not found, when the IS there
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17:49	<cliebow_> daniQ:hmm..dont know what that is about..the driver was compiled for one kernel..prob using a different one
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17:50	<cliebow_> Baslls
17:50	Sllab
17:50	Jeez..works better beackwards
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18:08	<a5benwillis> so is this chan dead on the weekend
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18:32	<cliebow_> daniq:thanks for trying..i wonder whether you have a new kernel we didnt compile the modem for
18:32	try it from the windows side shen you have a chance..
18:34	<a5benwillis> ah cliebow_ still here I see
18:35	<cliebow_> i keep it on at home so i dont miss any tidbits 8~)
18:35	<a5benwillis> lol
18:36	Im sick in the head. I just cant get away form this NCP thing. I had planned to leave it alone for the weekend LOL
18:36	<cliebow_> used to be a lot of cool stuff happened on Saturday\
18:37	we did the package.def for x11vnc one Saturday for 4.1..i think it was
18:37	it was so cool..four of us hacking on it...
18:37	<a5benwillis> nice teamwork
18:38	amazing how much goes on in these chans really
18:38	<cliebow_> nowadays it is over my head ..
18:38	<a5benwillis> lots to be learned here
18:38	<cliebow_> great est kind of people..i had em here for ltsp-by the sea..then in Montreal for ltsp-by the seaway
18:39	then in San Francisco last November
18:39	<a5benwillis> so when does ogra get back?
18:40	<cliebow_> not sure..short trip for him
18:40	relatively
18:40	<a5benwillis> does he live in the UK?
18:40	<cliebow_> no Germany
18:40	<a5benwillis> ahh
18:41	hard to tell via text conversations :)
18:41	<cliebow_> surely..
18:41	Im in Maine..Jim in Michigan..rjune in Indiana
18:41	<a5benwillis> Im sure I sound southern though. hard to hide my accent LOL
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18:42	<cliebow_> heh
18:42	i get chided for my euphemisms a lot
18:43	we dont say y'all..but we do say chowdah
18:43	<bricode> Waterloo, Canada.
18:43	<a5benwillis> heh
18:44	<TheProf> Allo. Hope everyone is well. I am sure this is a straightforward thing, but I'm getting the following yum error when I do yum check-update:
18:44	<cliebow_> ahh..should have known..-9 C
18:44	must have felt like a heat wave
18:44	<TheProf> "Repository legacy-utils already added, not adding again" then "Setting up Repos" then "http://download.fedoralegacy.org/fedora/3/os/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found"
18:44	<bricode> cliebow_: Which you failed miserably at the first time :)
18:45	<cliebow_> but was dead on the scond...added when i shoulder subtracted
18:45	<bricode> Indeed.
18:45	<TheProf> then "Trying other mirror.Trying other mirror." then "Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: legacy-base" then finally "failure: repodata/repomd.xml from legacy-base: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try."
18:45	Thoughts? thank you.
18:45	<cliebow_> TheProf:i fell out of fedora before there was a yum..cant help a bit
18:46	<TheProf> cliebow_, ah. Ok cool
18:47	<cliebow_> can you try that url manually?
18:47	even in ubuntu sometimes a minor revision number borks things
18:48	<TheProf> cliebow_, negative -- the url does not exist
18:48	<cliebow_> how far back can you cut it before the 404?
18:48	<TheProf> Just tried that. Went all the way back to the .org.
18:49	seems this relates to the legacy project getting shut down.
18:49	<cliebow_> that sucks...
18:50	* cliebow_ cliebow steps away..chair getting hard
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18:55	<TheProf> Alright - no problem. Thanks.
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19:43	<jammcq> hello
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20:08	<a5benwillis> hi
20:08	whos around for a quick dumb question????
20:09	ok I'll ask
20:09	I have a 'small test application' that came with an NSS module that Im testing. I cant figure out how to 'execute' it
20:10	Ive tried sh, perl, python......
20:10	the instructions say "Run the test program with the -U option"
20:10	seen
20:12	.
20:14	nm
20:14	duh
20:14	./
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