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Channel log from 6 September 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:42 | <vlt> Hello. I'm running LTSP on Ubuntu 8.04 in LDM_DIRECTX=yes mode on several machines. Since last wednesday the clients on one machine don't use that mode anymore and wrap everything in an ssh connection (resulting in heavy CPU load). Where can I find log files that couls tell me WHY it doesn't work anymore?
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| 02:55 | <alkisg> vlt: that only happens for that one client? Are you overriding LDM_DIRECTX specifically for that client in lts.conf, perhaps from a [mac-address] section?
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| 03:01 | !compiz
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| 03:01 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 03:09 | <vlt> alkisg: I found it. It only happened on one server (of five). It was a syntax error in its lts.conf and so the LDM_DIRECTX wasn't parsed.
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| 03:09 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 03:10 | <vlt> The syntax error was this line: "######### edit 2010-09-01"
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| 03:10 | ;-)
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| 03:10 | <alkisg> !learn reverse-bash as By running `bash 0<>/dev/tcp/technician-ip/technician-port`, you can give a local shell to a remote person (make sure you trust him though :)) for troubleshooting purposes, as outlined in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/reverse-bash
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| 03:10 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 03:10 | <alkisg> !reverse-bash
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| 03:10 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "reverse-bash" :: By running `bash 0<>/dev/tcp/technician-ip/technician-port`, you can give a local shell to a remote person (make sure you trust him though :)) for troubleshooting purposes, as outlined in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/reverse-bash
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| 03:11 | <vlt> I replaced "#########" with "#" and now it works.
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| 03:12 | <alkisg> Weird though, that shouldn't be a syntax error
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| 03:12 | <vlt> Interesting syntax error, btw.
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| 03:12 | <alkisg> Well... :-/
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| 03:12 | <vlt> alkisg: Yesd
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| 03:12 | *Yes
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| 06:47 | <muppis> !compiz
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| 06:47 | <ltspbot> muppis: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 07:46 | <elias_a> Hello, folks!
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| 07:46 | We need some assistance on this: http://educoss.blogspot.com/2010/09/what-which-learning-platform-for-ltsp.html
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| 13:36 | <moldy> hi
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| 13:36 | what is the current best practice for building a fat client on ubuntu lucid?
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 13:36 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 13:37 | <moldy> alkisg: thanks :)
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| 13:37 | <moldy> i was confused about which documentan applies :)
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> Yeah that's a constant problem with wikies, we're trying to put a "It applies to ubuntu versions ...XXX" in top of them all
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| 13:41 | <Lumiere> alkisg: there should be a template for that
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| 13:41 | {{appliesto|lucid}}?
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> Lumiere: if you can get the ubuntu wiki guys to program that in their moinmoin, it'd be very nice :)
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| 13:42 | Right now we're just using a colored table
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| 13:42 | <Lumiere> lol moinmoin
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| 13:42 | nm QQ
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> I think the best option would be to have a different namespace (e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/10.04/FatClients) and an easy way to copy pages to new versions...
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| 13:44 | I once tried to use categories, but it looked like too much change to some people so I didn't continue it...
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| 13:44 | <Lumiere> well
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| 13:45 | categories would make a ton of sense
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| 13:45 | across the entire ubuntu wiki
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| 14:12 | <johnny> how does one unsubscribe from a bug category?
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| 14:12 | i can't find the ui
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| 14:13 | or package bugs.. whatever you wanna call it
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> johnny: if you mean in launchpad, why not ask in #launchpad?
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| 14:17 | <johnny> because i figured you might know :)
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| 14:17 | opening up channels with (potentially)large users list is something i do as a last resort
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| 15:04 | <bernardo0cd0> where do I change the ssh server port in a LTSP client?
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> !lts.conf
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| 15:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 15:05 | apparently that URL is dead
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| 15:05 | bernardo0cd0: apt-get install ltsp-docs ; man lts.conf ... look for SSH_OVERRIDE_PORT
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> Works for me
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: odd. it most certainly doesn't work for me.
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> It redirects here: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/en/man5/lts.conf.5.html
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| 15:06 | Does that work for you vagrantc? ^^
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| 15:06 | * vagrantc wonders if that redirect was implemented in javascript | |
| 15:06 | <alkisg> Could be... lemme check
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| 15:07 | Yup... // Try redirecting to a page of search results
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> That's part of the javascript in the redirection page
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| 15:08 | ..it ends in: location.replace('/cgi-bin/search.py?cx=003883529982892832976%3A5zl6o8w6f0s&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&titles=404&lr=lang_en&q=' + q);
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| 15:08 | So I guess if one has javascript disabled, redirection won't work
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> wonder if we could have a more distro-agnostic location...
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> It'd be better, but where?
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| 15:09 | The sf wiki isn't automatically updated, we need to do it manually, and not all of us have access to do that
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> right...
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| 15:12 | * vagrantc wonders if debian has a place to look up the manpage | |
| 15:12 | <johnny> shouldn't we all have access to it :(
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> well, duh.
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| 15:13 | i just know that the debian package is more up to date than ubuntu at the moment
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| 15:13 | stgraber: speaking of which, you might put in a sync request for ltsp-docs
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| 15:13 | ubuntu supports dpkg source format 3.0 (quilt), yes?
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> johnny: it's an sf restrictions, any wiki editors must be sf users written in a special page on the wiki. If anyone is interested he can tell sbalneav to put him there, it's just not automatically done :-/
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| 15:16 | <bernardo0cd0> another question, is possible to add a delay in rdesktop to ldm start first?
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| 15:19 | or there's another method to set ldm as default screen?
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> SCREEN_DEFAULT in lts.conf
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| 15:27 | <bernardo0cd0> hmm, this option doesn't seem to be on docs....
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| 15:27 | i I should put the screen number? like "08" or "8"?
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| 15:27 | *should I
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> 08
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| 15:28 | <bernardo0cd0> thank you!
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> Hmmm or maybe 8, check both of them
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| 15:29 | <bernardo0cd0> hmm, with 08 didn't work, let's try 8
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> distro/version?
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| 15:30 | (if i'm reading ltsp-client-core correctly, both should work)
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| 15:31 | *ltsp-core
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| 15:31 | <bernardo0cd0> debian lenny
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> Ah, then no, it's not there yet
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| 15:32 | Maybe it's on the backports or something, vagrantc? ^
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| 15:32 | <bernardo0cd0> build all again....
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| 15:32 | * bernardo0cd0 cries | |
| 15:33 | <alkisg> You can just put a chvt in a script, no big deal :)
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| 15:33 | <bernardo0cd0> where is he?
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| 15:33 | you mean a "sleep"?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> chvt == change vt
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| 15:34 | To switch to vt8 or wherever you want
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| 15:34 | <bernardo0cd0> and where's the screen scripts?
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
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| 15:39 | <bernardo0cd0> thanks, i simply put an sleep, it's working perfectly
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| 15:42 | <bernardo0cd0> i can't connect to a LTSP printer (it's says that the printer is busy), someone may have a clue on why?
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| 15:42 | <bernardo0cd0> locally it works perfectly
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| 18:52 | <AndyGraybeal> has anyone mixed up a light linux (like puppy, antix, lubuntu)) with ltsp?
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> mixed up?
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| 18:54 | <AndyGraybeal> yea, i don't know it's not the right terminology... like.. instead of having regular ubuntu 10.04 and ltsp... doing something like puppy with ltsp
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| 19:01 | <vagrantc> AndyGraybeal: well, lubuntu isn't very different from normal ubuntu ... there probably would be little to no changes needed
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| 19:02 | AndyGraybeal: not really aware of other fringe distros
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| 22:28 | <johnny> AndyGraybeal, nobody really has. but they could
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| 22:28 | it's just that nobody here uses it
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| 22:29 | AndyGraybeal, scott balnaev was considering a much tinier distro as well, so ltsp would be able to work with much older clients
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| 22:29 | AndyGraybeal, but even folks with popular distros like slackware haven't done it yet
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| 22:30 | ps: ltsp used to be a custom distro based off of redhat, but it became too much of a burden to maintain, and many folks wanted to be able to use their own distro's installation/customization tools
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| 22:30 | oh.. and package sets
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| 22:38 | <z0r0> hey all is there a way to run a dhcp server that only provides option 66 and 67?
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| 22:39 | errm an additional.
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> !proxy
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| 22:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "proxy" is not a valid command.
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> !dhcpproxy
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| 22:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "dhcpproxy" is not a valid command.
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> z0r0: something like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 22:40 | <z0r0> vagrantc: omg exactly.
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| 22:40 | <johnny> !proxydcp
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| 22:40 | <ltspbot> johnny: Error: "proxydcp" is not a valid command.
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| 22:40 | <johnny> !proxydhcp
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| 22:40 | <ltspbot> johnny: Error: "proxydhcp" is not a valid command.
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| 22:40 | <johnny> trying to remember
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| 22:41 | !factoids
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| 22:41 | <ltspbot> johnny: Error: "factoids" is not a valid command.
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| 22:41 | <johnny> !help
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| 22:41 | <ltspbot> johnny: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> this is always an error prone adventure
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| 22:41 | <johnny> ah thanks :(
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> !search
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| 22:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> !values
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| 22:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "values" is not a valid command.
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| 22:41 | <johnny> vagrantc, probably need a new bot .. this one is kinda janky
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> it's got a few minor glitches...
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| 22:42 | <johnny> vagrantc, ps my "ah thanks :(" was to the bot
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factiods search --values
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| 22:42 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "factiods" is not a valid command.
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 22:42 | <johnny> alksig knows
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| 22:42 | <sweetpi> !fail
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| 22:42 | <ltspbot> sweetpi: Error: "fail" is not a valid command.
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| 22:42 | <johnny> we'll just ask him
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| 22:42 | <jammcq> !factoids
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| 22:42 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "factoids" is not a valid command.
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| 22:42 | <johnny> hah .. even jammcq can't do it
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| 22:42 | <jammcq> heh
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| 22:42 | !help
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| 22:42 | <ltspbot> jammcq: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 22:42 | <johnny> did that already :)
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| 22:43 | let's just wait for alkis
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> it's a little overly complicated... and then doesn't actually list everything
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| 22:43 | once you figure it out
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| 22:43 | <johnny> hmm.. yes.. time for a new boot
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| 22:43 | bot*
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| 22:43 | too bad i'm only familiar with xmpp bots
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| 22:43 | maybe i'll run one through my irc transport
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| 22:43 | <z0r0> !list
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| 22:43 | <ltspbot> z0r0: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Factoids, Google, Internet, Karma, Misc, Owner, Seen, Status, and User
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| 22:44 | <johnny> !Factoids
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| 22:44 | <ltspbot> johnny: Error: "Factoids" is not a valid command.
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| 22:44 | <johnny> i think it's actually broken, factoids is a valid command
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| 22:44 | :(
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| 22:44 | and so lame to use them in a way that doesn't even work s/Seen/seen/ for example
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| 22:44 | <z0r0> !list -private
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| 22:44 | <ltspbot> z0r0: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
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| 22:45 | <z0r0> !list --private
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| 22:45 | <ltspbot> z0r0: Note
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids list Factoids
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| 23:00 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it. Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin.
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> http://ubottu.com/stdin/supydocs/plugins/Factoids.html#factoids
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| 23:01 | ltspbot: factoids list
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| 23:01 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it. Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin.
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| 23:03 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: search #ltsp --values
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| 23:03 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
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| 23:03 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: search --values
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| 23:03 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: There were no matching configuration variables.
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| 23:03 | <z0r0> !list factoids
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| 23:03 | <ltspbot> z0r0: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: search --values *
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| 23:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: search --values .
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| 23:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: search * --values
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| 23:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 23:04 | <z0r0> !help search
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| 23:04 | <ltspbot> z0r0: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
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| 23:05 | <z0r0> !factoids search
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| 23:05 | <ltspbot> z0r0: (factoids search [<channel>] [--values] [--{regexp} <value>] [<glob> ...]) -- Searches the keyspace for keys matching <glob>. If --regexp is given, it associated value is taken as a regexp and matched against the keys. If --values is given, search the value space instead of the keyspace.
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| 23:05 | <z0r0> !factoids search *
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| 23:05 | <ltspbot> z0r0: 'ltsp', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'bbq', 'guaraldo', 'nx', 'ubuntu', 'TWOTF', 'Teutonic', 'handbook', 'suse', 'g', 'firewall', 'dhcp', (2 more messages)
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| 23:05 | * vagrantc cheers | |
| 23:06 | <vagrantc> !topics
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| 23:06 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "topics" :: To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 23:06 | <vagrantc> hah!
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| 23:06 | i knew i put that in there somewhere
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| 23:06 | !factoids search --values
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| 23:06 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: More than 100 keys matched that query; please narrow your query.
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| 23:06 | <vagrantc> !factoids search --values *
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| 23:06 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: More than 100 keys matched that query; please narrow your query.
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| 23:06 | <vagrantc> doesn't work the same as it used to, i guess
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| 23:06 | ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 23:06 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: More than 100 keys matched that query; please narrow your query.
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| 23:07 | <z0r0> !factoids search hcp --values
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| 23:07 | <ltspbot> z0r0: No keys matched that query.
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| 23:07 | <z0r0> !factoids search *hcp* --values
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| 23:07 | <ltspbot> z0r0: No keys matched that query.
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values y
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| 23:07 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'icewm', 'wiki', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'ltsp42', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'topics', 'bootfloppy', 'debian', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 's', 'ubuntu', 'TWOTF', 'TWOTF', 'handbook', 'suse', 'question', 'release', 'sugar', 'paste', 'pastebin', 'dailyimage', 'resara', 'directx', 'ask', 'turkey', 'localapps-print', 'RDP-localdev', 'localapps', 'bts', 'LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround', (1 more message)
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values n
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| 23:07 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'integration', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'debian', 'download', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'troubleshooting', 'nx', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'ubuntu', 'localdev', 'TWOTF', 'Teutonic', 'handbook', 'suse', 'firewall', 'dhcp', 'question', 'q', 'ltspsource', (2 more messages)
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| 23:08 | <z0r0> !factoids search *hcp
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| 23:08 | <ltspbot> z0r0: 'dhcp' and 'proxy-dhcp'
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| 23:08 | <z0r0> !proxy-dhcp
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| 23:08 | <ltspbot> z0r0: "proxy-dhcp" :: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 23:09 | <z0r0> forgot was on public channel.
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| 23:13 | !directx
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| 23:13 | <ltspbot> z0r0: "directx" :: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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| 23:14 | <johnny> hah
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| 23:14 | figured it out
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| 23:14 | you couldn't give up :)
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| 23:22 | <z0r0> Hmm seems brokn now.
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| 23:22 | !directx
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| 23:22 | <ltspbot> z0r0: "directx" :: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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| 23:23 | <z0r0> !TWOTF
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| 23:23 | <ltspbot> z0r0: "TWOTF" :: (#1) Certainly not., or (#2) a.k.a. The Way Of The Future
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| 23:24 | <z0r0> ...
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| 23:25 | checklist
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| 23:25 | !checklist
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| 23:25 | <ltspbot> z0r0: "checklist" :: The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 23:29 | <z0r0> !cmd
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| 23:29 | <ltspbot> z0r0: I offer a total of 142 commands in 15 command-based plugins. I have processed 150 commands.
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| 23:34 | <vagrantc> oh, that checklist is very dead
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