IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:07 | <zodma1> hi there
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| 00:07 | someone live ?
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| 00:14 | <str4nd> no
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| 00:14 | What's the problem?
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| 00:16 | <zodma1> douh!
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| 00:16 | oks str4nd im try and testing the ltsp5 on debian
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| 00:16 | and i use de qemu to emulate thata
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| 00:16 | that
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| 00:16 | <str4nd> Ok.
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| 00:17 | <zodma1> but when start shell the tty run too
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| 00:17 | im get a prompt of root and see the login
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| 00:17 | <str4nd> BusyBox? :/
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| 00:17 | <zodma1> when i put the login user ,, the bash taking is a command
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| 00:17 | yeap busybox
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| 00:18 | <str4nd> What else before that?
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| 00:19 | <zodma1> before ... load the nbd and the lts-client service
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| 00:20 | my english is not good sorry im try to explain best
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| 00:20 | better
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| 00:22 | <str4nd> My English is worse than you.
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| 00:22 | But.. hmm.
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| 00:23 | <zodma1> oks one the same screen of qemu
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| 00:23 | <zodma1> i have the shell login and the tty of root
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| 00:24 | not X init
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| 00:24 | <str4nd> I know that.
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| 00:24 | <zodma1> login:test
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| 00:24 | root@ltsp#
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| 00:24 | test command not found
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| 00:24 | passwod
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| 00:24 | some like this
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| 00:24 | <str4nd> Have no idea. :/
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| 00:24 | <zodma1> i have
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| 00:25 | :S yeap :(
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| 00:25 | when start X not have problem
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| 00:25 | but the shell i have that ..........
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| 00:25 | <str4nd> ogra has been idling 8 hours and 12 mins...
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| 00:25 | <zodma1> oks tnx for read im ask for someone after
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| 00:25 | <str4nd> yep
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| 00:29 | <zodma1> str4nd: another question
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| 00:29 | when lstp start download from nfs the root dir of client-bild
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| 00:29 | build*
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| 00:30 | and i want to connect to the gdm of the server
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| 00:30 | i need the Ip to put on XDM_SERVER of lts.conf
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| 00:30 | rigth ?
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| 00:34 | <str4nd> Yes.
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| 00:34 | DEFAULT_SERVER=${SERVER:-"<ip>"}
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| 00:34 | argh, wrong
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| 00:35 | <str4nd> XDM_SERVER = <ip>, yes.
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| 00:35 | <zodma1> oks thats ip
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| 00:35 | <zodma1> is the default gateway of the client
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| 00:36 | as the server ?
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| 00:53 | <zodma1> str4nd: im solve my shell problem :P
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| 00:54 | i will contact the pkg-ltsp-deve maillist
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| 00:56 | <str4nd> :p
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| 07:08 | <gvy> ogra, ! :)
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| 07:29 | <Waleee> someone here who is familiar with keyboard bugs in ltsp-5.0 (running on debian etch) ?
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| 07:30 | it's xorg related but I haven't been able to solve it
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| 07:33 | <Waleee> the bug is this: the keyboard seems only to work when you press 3 at the same time you want to type anything in gdm
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| 07:33 | <ogra> ltsp5 isnt using gdm
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| 07:33 | <gvy> oO
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| 07:33 | Waleee, change kbd?
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| 07:33 | or with any?
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| 07:34 | <Waleee> if you chose to use "startx" on one screen and the server is running it gvy ... and the keyboard is right in xorg.conf (the one in the ltsp directory)
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| 07:34 | <ogra> did you change the default lts.conf in any way ?
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| 07:34 | <gvy> Waleee, i mean physical kbd is ok or not sure?
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| 07:35 | i'd try different one just in case it was trivially broken...
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| 07:35 | <Waleee> yes it should be, it works fine when I use another ltsp server(4.2)
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| 07:36 | <a5benwillis> ogra: Do you know if people using LDAP for user authentication have the authenticated users created on the ltsp server?
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| 07:36 | <ogra> a5benwillis, no idea, really
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| 07:36 | <a5benwillis> ogra: Thanks
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| 07:36 | <ogra> i know cliebow has an AD setup running with ltsp5 (i told you yesterday i think) but he's not arounbd atm
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| 07:36 | <Waleee> ogra: I used an tarball image for the install, you are kind of forced to change it from the default then I think ogra
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| 07:36 | <ogra> so hope for the best and be patient :)
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| 07:37 | Waleee, no
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| 07:37 | <gvy> Waleee, i can only tell that with alt linux ltsp5 build and kdm we have observed no such problems
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| 07:37 | <a5benwillis> ogra: I havent seen cliewbow in a while..
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| 07:37 | <ogra> lts.conf is obsolete with ltsp5, usde it only to override autodetected values
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| 07:37 | <gvy> but these are more likely xorg/kernel related than gdm/ltsp to me
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| 07:37 | ogra, btw for override cases, would you be interested in lts.conf.d?
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| 07:38 | better yet, libltsconfig (like libxorgconfig)
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| 07:38 | <ogra> gvy, not really now that the lts.conf sits in tftp
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| 07:38 | <gvy> ogra, we're considering doing that to allow for an exception configuration frontend...
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| 07:38 | <ogra> that would get very annoying to do in the chroot, since you wuld have to rebuild the squashfs image every time
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| 07:39 | <gvy> well, we don't do squashfs atm ;)
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| 07:39 | no ssh, no squashfs, no problem
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| 07:39 | <ogra> we will default to it with the next ltsp5 release
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| 07:40 | <gvy> we've already rolled back ssh transport as an insane default
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| 07:40 | <ogra> and i wont do any maintenance of nfsroot anymore ... (patches happily accepted from third party thogh)
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| 07:40 | <gvy> where are such decisions made or at least aired?
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| 07:40 | here? :)
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| 07:40 | <ogra> also note that all developemnt will focus on the new setup
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| 07:40 | <ogra> yes
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| 07:41 | i dont mind if someone wants a five munite booting ltsp via nfs, but i wont put any time into it for surer
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| 07:42 | we just redid most of ltsp to get it faster or at least as fast as 4.x
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| 07:42 | <gvy> 5 minute is what, 60 stations over 10mbps and a sleepy router? :)
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| 07:42 | <ogra> nobody will be fond of dropping the speedups :)
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| 07:42 | <ogra> gvy, 5min is something like the ebox 2300 client
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| 07:43 | we have some of them
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| 07:43 | <gvy> c3?
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| 07:43 | well, thanks for geadsup anyways ogra
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| 07:43 | *headsup!
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| 07:44 | <ogra> speed was the main concern this release, thats why we rewrote ldm, added an unencrypted ldm mode as well (since no feature development will move to insecure XDMCP) and redid the whole slow architecture nfs forced on us
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| 07:45 | current client boot in ~45 seconds over here from pressing the powerbutton to login window ...
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| 07:45 | <Waleee> ehm ... ogra if the lts.conf is only used to override options, how is the server ldm should connect to selected ?
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| 07:45 | <ogra> i can run 10 mplayer instances on 10 clients without saturating the network here ...
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| 07:45 | <a5benwillis> ogra: Is that code availible for testing yet?
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| 07:45 | <ogra> a5benwillis, its in gutsy, yes
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| 07:46 | Waleee, it defaults to the bootserver ... you can set SERVER to an ip in lts.conf if that doesnt fit
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| 07:46 | <gvy> ogra, did anyone consider doing nxproxy for encryption/traffic crunching and "screen for X" feature?
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| 07:46 | <a5benwillis> ogra: So gutsy has edubuntu as a package?
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| 07:46 | <gvy> ogra, well we're able too
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| 07:46 | re 10*mplayer
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| 07:46 | <ogra> a5benwillis, edubuntu is a distro
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| 07:46 | gvy, sure we didnt reinvent the wheel :)
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| 07:47 | <a5benwillis> thats why im confused. I'll google
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| 07:47 | <ogra> gvy, its using unencrypted plain X forwardiung as XDMCP does ... but still usues the ssh tunnel for all security critical things (passwords, local device communication etc)
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| 07:47 | <gvy> ogra, wow, like 40 secs 8-) but it's piii-800
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| 07:48 | ogra, and ssh adds latency
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| 07:48 | <ogra> a5benwillis, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-2/gutsy-server-i386.iso
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| 07:48 | a5benwillis, install that on a two NIC machine and have fun :)
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| 07:48 | <gvy> our cto has done some testing -- don't recall exact numbers but turnaround time w/o ssh compression was an order higher at the very least
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| 07:49 | with current libX11 it's quite painful if i remember XCB design goals correctly
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| 07:49 | <ogra> gvy, ssh adds latency during login only since only the password handling is done through it
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| 07:49 | <gvy> ah, good, tnx
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| 07:49 | <ogra> everything after password negotiation is plain X forwarding
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| 07:49 | as insecure as XDMCP
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| 07:49 | <gvy> good
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| 07:50 | well for those who want encryption latency is second...
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| 07:50 | i mean all the way through, like banks and gov
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| 07:50 | <ogra> but we still have the ssh socket for all features we use ... i.e. ltspfs ... sound will move to that as well soon so we get capturte support through hal
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| 07:50 | <ogra> gvy, we wont support XDMCP
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| 07:50 | <gvy> k :)
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| 07:51 | <ogra> and the encryption overhead to exchange one password is really marginal
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| 07:51 | <gvy> of course
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| 07:52 | you somehow remind me of Sergey Vlasov (vsu@), alt's lead kernel maintainer
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| 07:52 | it's very positive a comparison to be short :)
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| 07:52 | <ogra> a5benwillis, note that this iso suffers from https://launchpad.net/bugs/121547 and https://launchpad.net/bugs/122796, workarounds are mentioned on the bugs
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| 07:53 | <a5benwillis> ogra: Thanks,downloading now
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| 07:53 | only getting 6mbps though.. gonna be a bit :-)
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| 07:54 | <joebaker> HELP! I installed xinetd and now tftp isn't working.
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| 07:54 | <ogra> a5benwillis, there are local mirrors for the isos (dont ask me where :) )
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| 07:54 | <joebaker> Ubuntu 7.04
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| 07:54 | * gvy . o O ( 1.70M/s ) | |
| 07:54 | <ogra> joebaker, uninstall xinetd then :)
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| 07:54 | <joebaker> ogra thanks I did just do that. Is there any further repair you can think of?
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| 07:54 | <gvy> joebaker, or configure it not to sit on top of standalone tftpd
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| 07:54 | <joebaker> I'll check to see if it's working now.
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| 07:55 | <gvy> if anyone is insane enough to run that standalone
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| 07:55 | (by default)
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| 07:55 | <ogra> check inetd.conf that tftp isnt commented now (no idea what evil things xinetd's positinst script might do)
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| 07:56 | i dont think dhcp based booting works at all with standlone running tftpd ... but i might be wrong
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| 07:56 | joebaker, also it likely has uninstalled openbsd-inetd ... which is the default ...
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| 07:56 | so make sure thats there :)
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| 07:57 | <joebaker> ok... thanks
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| 07:57 | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftp\
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| 07:57 | <ogra> and check for your ltsp-server packages ... they depend on any kind of inetd, if xinetd doesnt have a "provides" in the package description it might have removed these as well
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| 07:59 | * ogra ponders writing an autoconfigurator for pluggin in usb printers ... | |
| 08:01 | <joebaker> utch... scripts/nfs-premount connect: connection refused... Oh what fun! Starting openbsd-inetd helped get me further though.
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| 08:03 | Restarting a thin client.
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| 08:03 | <vagrantc> "tftpd-hpa | atftpd" in debian
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| 08:04 | <joebaker> HMMMM... must be a hosts allow file...
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| 08:04 | <ogra> ogra@laptop:~$ apt-cache madison atftpd
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| 08:04 | atftpd | 0.7.dfsg-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
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| 08:04 | well
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| 08:04 | not in ubuntu :
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| 08:04 | )
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| 08:04 | <Waleee> ogra: is it possible that an NIS validation of users can affect ltsp-5.0 in a way it won't work at all without some tweaking of configs ?
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| 08:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, which hole did *you* crawl out, i didnt see you all the time ...
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| 08:05 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 08:05 | <ogra> survived everything ?
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| 08:05 | <vagrantc> remarkably
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| 08:05 | <vagrantc> the bonus 15 hours in boston was not particularly fun
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| 08:05 | <ogra> well, i heard there was quite some bad weather
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| 08:06 | malcom yates (one of my collegues) was stuck 72h at JFK
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| 08:06 | <Waleee> not "not work at all", I meant that user validation would malfunction
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| 08:06 | <vagrantc> xinetd doesn't provide inet-superserver ... so you should be able to install openbsd-inetd and xinetd side-by-side ... though who would want to torture themselves so ...
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| 08:07 | <ogra> they apparently were on the runway long enough that the pilots shift was done and they had to go back to get a new pilot
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| 08:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: after traveling for 3 days, hearing the last leg of the flight was cancelled was ... infuriating
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| 08:07 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:07 | i know how that feels ... i travel every second month at lest
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| 08:07 | <gvy> vagrantc, but happy ending, no?
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| 08:07 | <joebaker> "I'm getting "NFS over TCp NOT AVAILABLE FROM 192.168.0.213"
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| 08:07 | <ogra> and every thi9rd trip has any kind of weirdness
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| 08:08 | Waleee, it should work ... even though i dont know anyone still using NIS
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| 08:09 | <vagrantc> joebaker: what nfs-server package do you have installed ?
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| 08:09 | <Waleee> you have to if you are forced to use an old windows server sometimes :(
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| 08:09 | <ogra> how old ? NT$ ?
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| 08:09 | err
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| 08:10 | NT4 ?
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| 08:10 | all newer MS servers should be able to talk ldap
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| 08:10 | <Waleee> windows 2000
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| 08:10 | ok
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| 08:11 | <ogra> NIS is really 80's pure :)
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| 08:11 | <vagrantc> NIS is retro!
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| 08:11 | <gvy> +1
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| 08:11 | <joebaker> vagrantc: what's the way to list all installed packages with dpkg?
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| 08:12 | <vagrantc> joebaker: dpkg -l
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| 08:12 | <ogra> joebaker, dpkg -l
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| 08:12 | <vagrantc> joebaker: dpkg -l nfs-*server
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| 08:12 | for more fun :)
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| 08:12 | <Waleee> :) , the windows servers and that part of the network where I'am working haven't been upgraded since the early 90's
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| 08:12 | <vagrantc> though sometimes you might need to do ... dpkg -l 'nfs-*server'
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| 08:12 | <joebaker> nfs-kernel-server nfs-common libnfsidmap2
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| 08:13 | <vagrantc> ok, that's the right one ...
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| 08:13 | <joebaker> The ltsp server mounts it's home directories via NFS . Restarting that wasn't a good idea.
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| 08:14 | portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out
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| 08:14 | Jun 29 08:08:58 apps kernel: [1093079.834083] RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5).
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| 08:14 | <ogra> is your portmap running ?
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| 08:14 | rpcinfo -p
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| 08:14 | should be on port 111
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| 08:15 | <joebaker> I don't think portmap was running. just started it. now here's rpcinfo -p
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| 08:15 | program vers proto port
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| 08:15 | 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper
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| 08:15 | 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper
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| 08:16 | * ogra has the code ready to check if a printer setup for the attached thin client printer exists in the users session ... | |
| 08:16 | <ogra> joebaker, try again jow
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| 08:16 | <joebaker> rebooting the thin client...
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| 08:17 | <ogra> vagrantc, how do you usually add printers on debian ? any gui tool ?
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| 08:17 | <joebaker> NFS over TCP not available from 192.168.0.213
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| 08:17 | <vagrantc> ogra: no idea really
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| 08:17 | ogra: i try to avoid printers like the black plague
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| 08:17 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:18 | <vagrantc> i did sucessfully install some ... i used the cups web interface i think
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| 08:18 | <joebaker> I tried exportfs -a here's the error:
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| 08:18 | exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "*:/opt/ltsp".
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| 08:18 | Assuming default behaviour ('subtree_check').
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| 08:18 | NOTE: this default will change with nfs-utils version 1.1.0
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| 08:18 | <ogra> well, now with the ssh control socket i thought about a quick script that starts gnome-cups-add with the right values predefined ... and starts jetpipe dynamically on the client
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| 08:19 | joebaker, what error ? :)
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| 08:19 | <vagrantc> joebaker: that's just a warning ... if you want to make it go away ...
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| 08:19 | joebaker: add subtree_check or no_subtree_check in /etc/exports
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| 08:19 | <ogra> 192.168.0.213 is definately your server ?
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| 08:20 | <joebaker> Yes.
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| 08:22 | Maybe I should reboot.
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| 08:22 | the server....
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| 08:22 | <ogra> try it if you can :)
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| 08:22 | <joebaker> I will.
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| 08:23 | <ogra> beyond that, what else did you change from your working setup ? just change it back :)
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| 08:23 | * ogra goes for a break | |
| 08:23 | <joebaker> My chat session is hosted on the server that I'm rebooting... back later.... cant' think of anything else that changed...
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| 08:24 | bye
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| 08:27 | <joebaker> Now I'm logged in from the laptop
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| 08:29 | <joebaker> Rebooting seems to have worked.
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| 08:30 | THANK YOU ALL!!!
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| 08:33 | <vagrantc> it's just like windows
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| 08:34 | <gvy> no
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| 08:34 | <a5benwillis> ogra: Should I be able to load gutsy under vmware?
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| 08:34 | <gvy> it's just like an ancient african word
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| 08:34 | * gvy runs!!! | |
| 08:51 | <joebaker> vagrantc: I just got the humor of your joke. LOL "Rebooting fixed it"
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> joebaker: :)
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| 08:53 | <joebaker> vagrantc: I'm in Burlington, Wisconsin. Are you in Michigan where some of the others are?
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc> joebaker: no, i'm actually in madison at the moment
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| 08:55 | on my way back to cascadia, though
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| 08:55 | <joebaker> Awesome!
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| 08:55 | * vagrantc forgets where burlington is | |
| 08:55 | <joebaker> Is cascadia in Wisconsin?
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| 08:55 | <vagrantc> i know i've been there
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| 08:56 | cascadia is what is commonly referred to as oregon and washington
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| 08:56 | <joebaker> Burlington is half way between Milwaukee and Lake Geneva. About 10 miles north of Wisconsin's southern border.
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| 08:56 | Are you active in the Madison Linux user group?
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| 08:57 | <vagrantc> no, i'm from here, but don't live here ... visiting family and such
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| 08:58 | <joebaker> Thanks for all you do for LTSP.
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> i try :)
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| 08:58 | <joebaker> I'm learning Python, is there any code I could start helping with that would help me learn it better?
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| 08:59 | <vagrantc> ogra wrote a python-ltsp library, i think ... probably needs some more work
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| 09:01 | <joebaker> I'll have a look at it. You guys are life savers. I cam in this morning and 6 thin
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| 09:01 | client sessions were affected by something I was dabbling with yesterday.
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| 09:02 | I wanted to try using xinetd to spawn new vncserver sessions. Some Windows 98 clients won't run Nomachine's client software. And I don't quite have the
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| 09:02 | <ogra> vagrantc, a lot more work :)
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| 09:03 | <joebaker> s/the/these/ users migrated off their Windows boxes yet.
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| 09:03 | <ogra> joebaker, just use openbsd-inetd then ...
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| 09:03 | <joebaker> vagrantc: when do you leave Madison.
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| 09:05 | ogra: sure. I was expecting to see inetd not openbsd-inetd. I come from a RedHat/Mandriva background. When I didn't see the config file structure I was used to I figured an inetd service wasn't running at all.
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| 09:05 | <joebaker> I'm afraid my lines are being cut off. did the last line end with "at all."
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| 09:06 | <ogra> well, ps would have revealed a running inetd process :)
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| 09:07 | <a5benwillis> anyone know if I can PXE boot a VMWARE session to test ltsp?
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| 09:07 | <ogra> i think you can, but nore that there are problems with vmware and xorg in ubuntu atm
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| 09:07 | *note
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| 09:08 | <a5benwillis> ok, giving it a try
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| 09:08 | <ogra> we default to compiz as window manager now and the vmware driver is apparently broken with that
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| 09:08 | <a5benwillis> I was able to install gutsy into a vmware machine
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| 09:08 | <ogra> tribe2 ?
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| 09:08 | <a5benwillis> the one you linked me to
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| 09:08 | <ogra> the switch happened this week just before tribe2
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| 09:09 | ah, fine then
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| 09:09 | <a5benwillis> just logging in
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| 09:13 | cleint PXE boot not looking to great so far
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| 09:13 | I get the splash screen
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| 09:13 | oh, there we go
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| 09:14 | <joebaker> a5benwillis: What a great idea. I wonder if Win98 will run VMware player?
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| 09:15 | Some Win98 boxes won't load NoMachine (I think they are broken).
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| 09:15 | <a5benwillis> joebaker: dunnom Im runningit under ubuntu
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| 09:18 | <a5benwillis> cliebow: !!!! Hiya
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| 09:20 | <ogra> !s
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| 09:20 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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| 09:20 | How's it going?
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi!
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> Hey vagrantc!
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| 09:21 | <ogra> sbalneav, playing with printer stuff on this rainiy afternoon :)
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> ogra: Cool
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| 09:22 | <ogra> sbalneav, ssh -S /var/run/ldm_socket 'lpstat -v|grep $IP && echo "got printer"' ;)
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| 09:22 | i'll merge that into an udev rule/script setup
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> heh, handy to have that socket, eh? :)
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| 09:23 | <ogra> if the printer isnt there i'll run gnome-cups-add
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| 09:23 | will need some patches to gnome-cups-add to preseed the values though
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| 09:23 | and i really think we should pu5t our IP into an environment variable
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| 09:24 | not sure how many get_ip functions we use nowadays, but surely more than one
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I was thinking that myself.
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| 09:25 | It should just get exported from the getltspcfg command.
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| 09:25 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:25 | or somewhere from initramfs
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| 09:26 | since we have it in our root mount script as $IP already ;)
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| 09:26 | <cliebow> a5benwillis, Hiya back 8~) my wireless sucks so dont feel left out if i conk out
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| 09:26 | <ogra> sbalneav, hoe stable is the current code in your ldm branch ? worth updating the package ?
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| 09:27 | s/he/how
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| 09:27 | err
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| 09:27 | s/hoe/how
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> No, not now
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| 09:27 | <ogra> :/
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> I'm going to be doing MAJOR hacking on it over the weekend
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| 09:27 | <ogra> sad, i'd love some new stuff for the users :)
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> Monday or Tuesday :)
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| 09:28 | <ogra> take your time, no hurry ...
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| 09:28 | i didnt have the time to test yet due to the edubuntu release
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> heh, I'm just so excited it's working as well as it is.
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| 09:29 | <ogra> and intel gets pushy, need to do more classmate work now ...
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| 09:29 | * ogra would prefer to go on with ltspfs hal integration rather :( | |
| 09:30 | <sbalneav> Hey, the classmate stuff's important to the powers that be. Gotta pay the bills, too :)
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| 09:31 | We'll get it all done. We've come a HUGE way in a month already.
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| 09:32 | <cliebow> HUGE is an understatement..cant nearly keep up
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| 09:33 | <ogra> sbalneav, jammcq said we should just add hal and dbus to the client ... any objections from yours or vagrantc's sides ?
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> Not from mine.
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| 09:33 | I've been thinking we'd have to get dbus+hal in there for some time.
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| 09:33 | <ogra> (with that change ltspfs will also need to depend on hal on both sides btw)
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> I'm surprised we've been able to do so much on only udev.
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| 09:34 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:34 | well, we will still need to rewrite all the hal data
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| 09:34 | <vagrantc> in my experience, hal is one of the biggest slowdowns on bootup
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| 09:34 | <ogra> since there will still be different ways to access the devices
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| 09:34 | vagrantc, i havent tested that yet, but i dont expect much slowdown on the unionfs setup
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| 09:35 | <vagrantc> but i don't really have any experience with hal or dbus, so i can't really make an informed opinion
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| 09:35 | <ogra> i could imagine that nfs slowness comes in there
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| 09:35 | <vagrantc> ogra: on my laptop, hal takes like 5-10 seconds
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| 09:35 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, it adds deps ...
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| 09:35 | ugh
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| 09:35 | in mine it doesnt
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| 09:35 | *on
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> yes, well, my laptop is probably closer to thin-client specs :)
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| 09:36 | <ogra> i'll do tests for sure
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> i'm really anxious to get into an environment where i can do testing
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| 09:36 | <ogra> but jammcq said we'll have to add it anyway at some point and i tend to agree
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| 09:36 | and sbalneav apparently as well ..
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| 09:37 | having hal on the client will help a lot with sound stuff as well
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| 09:37 | we can finally use the hal-detect module for pulse so it will dynamically change sound HW etc
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| 09:38 | and we can get capture support with it easier i think
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| 09:38 | * ogra wonders if he should put webcams on the schedule for gutsy+1 | |
| 09:39 | <cliebow> Holy!
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| 09:40 | you two ever sleep?
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| 09:40 | * gvy . o O ( security holiness ) | |
| 09:40 | <cliebow> or is it three?
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| 09:40 | <ogra> sbalneav, pushing a compressed cam videostream through the tunnel to a socket on the server side ?
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| 09:40 | <gvy> cliebow, to me looks like doubtful
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| 09:40 | re sleep
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| 09:41 | <ogra> its 20 to 5 pm here ...
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| 09:41 | i rarely sleep in the afternoon ;)
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| 09:41 | <cliebow> heh..i think they just close their eyes and keep on typing..
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| 09:41 | <vagrantc> i finally got a decent nights sleep ... the last 2-3 days, i couldn't sleep as i had early travel plans and i kept waking up wondering if my alarm clock was still working
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| 09:41 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:41 | <cliebow> yeah i do that too..
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| 09:41 | <ogra> jetlag fun
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| 09:42 | <gvy> vagrantc, it helps to backup alarms -- like, mobile + anything else
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| 09:42 | <vagrantc> and last night, i woke up wondering where the hell i was ... totally disoriented
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| 09:42 | <gvy> just in case
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| 09:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, while you said retro before ... i'm pondering new wallpapers :) http://www.wallpaperfromthe70s.com/index.php?cat=c5_Surreal.html
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| 09:42 | <vagrantc> well, i was also switching time ones, so there was the additional doubts of wondering if it was set properly, too :)
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| 09:43 | <gvy> ah
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| 09:43 | <cliebow> ogra:have you committed to tribe1 in the last couple weeks..or is my cd still current?
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| 09:44 | <ogra> cliebow, tribe2 was released yesterday
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| 09:44 | * vagrantc wonders what the 70s has to offer the present | |
| 09:44 | <ogra> vagrantc, beautifully colored wallpapers indeed :) and NIS
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| 09:44 | <gvy> vagrantc, broken css in the first place!
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| 09:45 | <ogra> gvy, there was no css in the 70s :P
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| 09:45 | thats why :)
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| 09:45 | <gvy> ogra, i mean the site :) although some of the samples are nice indeed
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| 09:45 | <vagrantc> broken by history
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| 09:45 | <cliebow> ahhh...but tribe1 updated would pick up changes alright?
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| 09:45 | i cant get setupfor testing fast enough..
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| 09:46 | <ogra> cliebow, yup, dist upgrading, wiping the chroot and re-running ltsp-build-client
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| 09:46 | <cliebow> roger..it'll be Tuesda before i can get two intel machines together..
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| 09:46 | <ogra> gvy, what kind of browser is that ? i can see it fine ... on ubuntus firefox as well as on my GFs IE on XP
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| 09:48 | <cliebow> seems ok here..
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| 09:48 | <vagrantc> gadi!
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| 09:49 | <cliebow> Gadi!!
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> vagrantc: hey! howd you make out?
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| 09:49 | <ogra> gadi?
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> heh
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| 09:49 | morning, all
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| 09:49 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> sorry, ogra
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| 09:49 | gutentag
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| 09:49 | ;)
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| 09:49 | <ogra> for what ?
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| 09:49 | ah :) heh
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> ogra: /me thinks I need to send you one of my thin clients for testing...
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, other than spending a ridiculous amount of money on food an lodging in boston ... i'm back "home"
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| 09:50 | <ogra> Gadi, feel free
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> vagrantc: yeah, even the beer's pricey
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| 09:51 | even the Sam Adams
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| 09:51 | <ogra> Gadi, or better come to ubuntu live and give it to me personally :)
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> ogra: yeah, I know
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| 09:51 | I wish I could get away
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| 09:51 | any chance you're stopping over in NYC?
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| 09:51 | I can drive by JFK
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| 09:51 | :)
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| 09:51 | <ogra> not really planned ... i have no clue yet how my filght goes
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| 09:52 | i'll let you know if it goes over JFK if i know
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| 09:52 | <vagrantc> !debian
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| 09:52 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> ogra: even in gutsy I have the issues with the combo of framebuffer and ltsp-client-core's code to avoid 'flickers'
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| 09:53 | <ogra> Gadi, that was the chvt stuff ?
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> yeah and the fgconsole stuff
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| 09:53 | but, im still not sure which is the exact culprit
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| 09:54 | you have any amd clients?
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| 09:54 | <ogra> nope
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> ah, then I should definitely get you one
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| 09:54 | <ogra> a lot via
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| 09:54 | one sis
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| 09:54 | some cyrix
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| 09:54 | and one sunray :P
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> yeah, as amd is prolly the second biggest player in thin client chipsets, its prolly worth making it work
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| 09:55 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:55 | well, gutsy will have the dirvers at least ... and i was promised an openchrome package as well
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:55 | <cliebow> J45p3r:!!
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> i think its something we're doing in ltsp-client-core that is bad
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| 09:56 | <ogra> you scared him
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| 09:56 | Gadi, probably ...
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> as you dont find reports of badness in regular installs
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| 09:56 | <ogra> ltsp-client-core code is currently a ripoff of gdms initscrip for the display related stuff
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> ah
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| 09:57 | well, i keep playing with different combos of things
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| 09:57 | blacklisting gxfb,
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| 09:57 | <ogra> i would expect it to behave identically to gdm
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> ...
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| 09:57 | ah
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> what was put into ltsp-client-core ?
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> well, ill let you know
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| 09:57 | <ogra> if you find anything feel free to throw patches at me :)
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> i still need to test a bit to discover the root cause
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| 09:58 | <ogra> vagrantc, nothing that wasnt there before :)
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> yeah, no worries - I want it fixed for gutsy
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| 09:58 | Im well motivated ;)
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| 09:58 | * vagrantc is confused where the gdm code came from then | |
| 09:58 | <ogra> vagrantc, thats the initial code ... i never changed it
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| 09:59 | all the usplash handling etc in the initscript is stolen from gdm
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| 10:00 | and it works fine for everyone ... except Gadi :P
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| 10:00 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 10:00 | got it
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| 10:01 | <ogra> hmm, does $ROOT/etc/default/ltsp-update-kernel.conf get read ?
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| 10:01 | i wonder if i should just add my NBDPORT variable there
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| 10:01 | then ltsp-update-kerneles wouldnt drop it
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| 10:03 | ah, its /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> it's a mess, is what it is
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| 10:04 | :)
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| 10:04 | <ogra> as long as it works ... who cares :P
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> i had a big hand in rewriting it ... and i want to rewrite it all over again
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| 10:04 | * gvy reads scrollback and wipes the tears: *absolutely no* thin client hardware hits the shelves in ukraine | |
| 10:04 | <vagrantc> because it doesn't really work.
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| 10:05 | <gvy> not $90, not $200, not even $300+
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| 10:05 | <vagrantc> one of the issues we're facing is that it's really hard to do cross-chroot configuration
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| 10:05 | i.e. the server, client chroot A and client chroot B should all have some shared configuration ...
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| 10:05 | <ogra> is it ?
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| 10:05 | it worked quite good in the past
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| 10:05 | <vagrantc> with the defaults, it works fine
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| 10:06 | <ogra> even with non defaults if you use the configs in the chroots
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> but if you really want to use anything other than the defaults, you have to configure multiple things
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| 10:06 | <ogra> indeed
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| 10:06 | but thats normal if you dont want to go the default route
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> and whenever you have to maintain something in multiple places, you're going to screw up once in a while
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| 10:06 | yeah, i guess there's no sane way to do it, really.
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| 10:07 | <ogra> i mean you can still use XDMCP if you want but are on your own with sound and localdev ... how is that different
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| 10:08 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 10:08 | * vagrantc is so happy with the DIRECT stuff | |
| 10:08 | <ogra> if people want to move away from the defaults tehy *Üwill* have to do manual work ... no way around that
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| 10:08 | yeah, its pretty cool
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| 10:08 | we all owe Gadi lots of beer
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| 10:09 | <vagrantc> it's so freaking simple. and i'd been trying to come up with it for at least 2-3 years.
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| 10:09 | <joebaker> I'll buy a beer for Gadi!
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| 10:09 | * Gadi likes where this is going... | |
| 10:09 | * vagrantc read about beer spas on the ... train ... or plane | |
| 10:10 | <joebaker> That sounds scary.
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> btw, do any of you guys know any LTSP'ers in my neck of the woods? NYC area
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| 10:11 | or Linux devs in general?
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| 10:11 | <ogra> Gadi, look in your customer DB ?
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> heh
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| 10:11 | * ogra hides | |
| 10:11 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 10:11 | I mean devs
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| 10:11 | not users
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| 10:11 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:11 | * ogra doesnt know any in that area | |
| 10:11 | <vagrantc> there's a fair debian presence, but i don't really know many that do LTSP
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| 10:13 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 10:13 | figured
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| 10:13 | * Gadi fears the local lugs... ;) | |
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| 10:16 | <Gadi> mistik1_: hey
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| 10:17 | * ogra goes for a break ... proably later ... | |
| 10:18 | <gvy> that was "provably" i guess
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| 10:59 | <cdealer> hi
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| 11:01 | <cdealer> I have seted up a ubuntu ltsp server... using ltsp5 but I can figure out how to make the local devices like cdrom, floppy and pendrive to be accessible by the clients...
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| 11:01 | can anyone give me a hint on that?
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| 11:03 | ?
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc_> i think there's some pages on the ubuntu wiki
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| 11:04 | !ubuntu
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| 11:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc_: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:05 | <cdealer> Hmmm
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| 11:05 | my ltsp server is up and running... but the problem is the local devices on the clients... =/
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| 11:06 | this quickinstall dont give any hint about how to do that... and believe me Im searching for this since monday and there are some docs of 4.2, 3.xx but I cant find none from version 5
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc_> right
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| 11:07 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> cdealer: sudo apt-get install ltspfs
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| 11:07 | <cdealer> Gadi: ltspfs ?
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> on the server
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc_> i know there's an ubuntu page about configuring local devices on the ubuntu wiki, but i'll be damned if i can find it
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> it is a recommended pkg
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| 11:08 | most folks forget to install it
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc_> you'll also need to add your users to the fuse group
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| 11:08 | but i was hoping for a wiki page ...
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> u need it for localdev to work
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| 11:08 | <cdealer> Hmmm yeah... I followed the quickinstall wiki and didnt mentioned that...
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| 11:08 | vagrantc_: Hmmm I did: modprobe fuse
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| 11:09 | but not included anyone in the group
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc_> cdealer: you'll also need to add your users to the fuse group
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> ltspfs will take care of all that
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| 11:09 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: I will do this now, and give some read in ltspfs
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc_> ?
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| 11:09 | Gadi: it won't add users to groups, will it ?
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> users on feisty are in the fuse group by default, i believe
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc_> really ?
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| 11:12 | <cdealer> well... in my fuse group there was no users
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| 11:13 | <cdealer> but... I was supposed to make any other configuration like editing any file or if the fuse is loaded and the user is in the group is enough to open the Cdrom for example ?
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc_> well, you'll need to log out and log back in
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| 11:14 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: have done that and I still cant access the local cdrom... no entry on lts.conf is needed?
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> cdealer: did you install ltspfs?
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| 11:15 | <cdealer> Gadi: yeah
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc_> cdealer: paste your lts.conf to the pastebot
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| 11:15 | cdealer: well ...
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| 11:15 | it needs LOCALDEV=True
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| 11:15 | but i thought that should be there by default
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| 11:15 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: this is a new info for me ... will give a try now
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| 11:28 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: my lts.conf have only one entry [default] LOCALDEV = TRUE
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc_> that should work ... though you may need to reboot the thin-client for it to take effect
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| 11:32 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: I have made a search for localdev and found a doc that says that smbfs is needed to the localdevs to work
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc_> no
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc_> that's very old
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| 11:33 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: O.o this isnt right: LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/fd0:floppy
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc_> no
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| 11:34 | completely unnecessary
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| 11:34 | cdealer: can you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot ?
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| 11:34 | !pastebot
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| 11:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:34 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: my lts.conf have only [default] LOCALDEV = TRUE (in a new line of course)
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc_> ok
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| 11:35 | that's all you shoud need
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| 11:35 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: after that I should just click in the Computer -> CDROM and its supposed to open ?
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc_> look in /media/USERNAME
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| 11:36 | see if there are files there
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc_> if you're running gnome, an icon should appear on the desktop for it
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| 11:36 | * vagrantc_ can't wait for the hal integration | |
| 11:37 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: there are no folder with the username name at /media... but there a lda-new folder with a lts.conf file
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc_> oh no
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| 11:38 | cdealer: what distro are you running ?
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| 11:38 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: ubuntu 6.10
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc_> cdealer: and how did you install LTSP ?
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| 11:38 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: I have test ubuntu 7.04, ubuntu server 6.04 and ubuntu server 7.04
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc_> this sounds suspiciously like an LTSP 4.x installation
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| 11:39 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: I did like is said in the quickinstall doc: apt-get install dhcp3-server openssh-server ltsp-server-standalone then ltsp-build-client
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc_> hm.
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| 11:39 | * vagrantc_ leaves it to the ubuntu experts | |
| 11:40 | <vagrantc_> cdealer: though i'd recommend running the ubuntu 7.04 server, rather than the older ones.
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| 11:40 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: dude... Im doing tests here, what I want is the best distro to make all works fine... so what you think will be the best distro to do that?
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc_> well, edubuntu has LTSP automatically configured
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| 11:41 | i'd go with edubuntu feisty
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| 11:41 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: I need everything working good because will be 60 ltsp clients
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| 11:41 | * vagrantc_ doesn't see why working bad would be ok with less or more clients | |
| 11:41 | <vagrantc_> :P
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| 11:42 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: imagine the headace that could be 60 clients calling that they cant access their cdrom lol
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc_> well, if you get it working for 1 client, it will work for 60, generally.
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| 11:43 | so i really don't see the difference :P
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| 11:44 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: hehe the problem is that one ;)
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc_> sometimes there's scalability issues... but generally
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| 11:47 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: edubuntu server or desktop is the best choice?
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc_> server
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| 11:51 | <cdealer> vagrantc_: when I downloaded the others server version I have many problems with the X... O.o
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| 12:02 | <m3_> ola
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| 12:03 | hi
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| 12:03 | guys
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| 12:03 | im from brazil
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| 12:03 | and newby in ltsp
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| 12:04 | but, i have started with ltsp5 (muekow) in ubuntu 7.10 Festy Fawn
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| 12:04 | and its work OK
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| 12:04 | but
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| 12:04 | i wold like to change the "session" in "session" avaliable to ldm
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc_> well, it just reads which sessions you have installed on your server
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc_> m3_: what exactly do you want to change ?
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| 12:08 | <m3_> vagrantc_: sorry, my english ir very bad..., but, i try to explain :)
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| 12:08 | vagrantc_: i have: gnome-session, startkde, xfce4-session and metacity, xfwm4 and kwin
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc_> sure.
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| 12:09 | there's also some brazillians who hang out here sometimes
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| 12:09 | <m3_> vagrantc_: i like to remove metacity, xfwm4 and kwin from options
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc_> and an ltsp-br channel, too
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| 12:09 | <m3_> and add a rdesktop (windows) options
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc_> you'll have to use update-alternatives to fix that
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| 12:10 | or modify ldminfod
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| 12:10 | both options are bad
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| 12:11 | hmmm...
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| 12:12 | <m3_> vagrantc_: and what options is good/
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc_> if you modify /etc/inetd.conf to use /usr/local/sbin/ldminfod ... and then copy a modified ldminfod to /usr/local/sbin ... that's probably the best way to go. but if ldminfod gets upgraded ... you'll have to upgrade it manually
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| 12:12 | m3_: you have no good options :P
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| 12:12 | <m3_> vagrantc_: hehuaheuae
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| 12:12 | vagrantc_: nice :)
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| 12:12 | vagrantc_: i wold like to know there ldminfod locate the informations
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc_> m3_: read the code
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| 12:13 | it uses update-alternatives
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| 12:13 | <m3_> vagrantc_: nice
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| 12:13 | vagrantc_: and update-alternatives... uses what/
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc_> read the code
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| 12:14 | or ...
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| 12:14 | man update-alternatives
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| 12:15 | m3_: but if you configured inetd to use your custom ldminfod, you can have it use whatever you want.
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| 12:15 | <m3_> vagrantc_: ok... this is a "not clean hand" solutions heheheheh
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc_> m3_: i think i already explained that :P
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| 12:16 | <m3_> vagrantc_: ow... nice nice... thanks... really this help me :)
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| 12:16 | vagrantc_: thanks again :)
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc_> good luck
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| 12:17 | m3_: what part of brazil are you from ?
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| 12:17 | <m3_> vagrantc_: from south (sul) parana...
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| 12:17 | and you are from/
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc_> the US
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| 12:18 | i work with some folks in southern brazil and sao paulo on ltsp and other free software stuff
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| 12:24 | <m3_> vagrantc_: nice :) very well
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| 12:24 | vagrantc_: what, expecifficaly/
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc_> m3_: simple-cdd is the main other project
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| 12:25 | <m3_> nice
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc_> m3_: http://www.sacix.org.br/
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| 12:26 | <m3_> nice :)
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc_> i don't work on sacix, but i think it uses ltsp and simple-cdd
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| 12:27 | <m3_> nice
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| 14:42 | <rhombus> So, I realize that this is a frequently asked question, but I can't sort out the specifics and could use a hint
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| 14:42 | I'm getting the "Unable to receive" RPC message at boot time, and yet everything looks kosher
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| 14:52 | <m3> vagrantc_: thanks guy
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| 14:52 | its work
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| 14:52 | now
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| 14:52 | my users can choose between kde, gnome, xfce4 or windows 2003 desktop
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| 14:52 | <m3> with only one login
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| 14:53 | vagrantc_: was you that wrote ldm man page???
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc_> m3: nope
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| 14:57 | <m3> right
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc_> or, maybe i did write it.
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| 14:58 | i don't remember.
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| 15:01 | <m3> sorry
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| 15:01 | the man page of ldminfod
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| 15:01 | ?)
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| 15:01 | :)
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| 15:01 | MAN PAGE AUTHOR
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| 15:01 | copyright 2006 Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@freegeek.org>, distributed
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| 15:01 | under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 2 or any
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| 15:01 | later version.
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| 15:01 | is you?
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| 15:02 | <rcy> yay freegeek!
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| 15:03 | we just setup ltsp here at freegeek vancouver
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc_> rcy: excellent! :)
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| 15:11 | <rhombus> thanks!
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| 15:12 | <rcy> we are currently wondering how to deal with guest logins properly. i just made a bunch of guest00-guestNN logins, and we have a sticker on each box for a login on each terminal... having everyone login as the same guest user doesnt work so well
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| 15:13 | one problem with that is, if someone logs in as guest13 one day, saves some work, then logs in as guest05 on a different terminal the next day, their work wont be there, as they each have different home directories
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc_> yeah. sdm had an autologin feature that would automatically log in as the hostname of the client
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| 15:14 | Gadi wrote some scripts for autologin support, in LDM ... but then folks re-wrote LDM in C
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| 15:15 | for ages, freegeek portland has wiped out users in a nightly cron job and backed up the home directories
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc_> i'd like to get anonymous login support working better in LDM ... but haven't touched the new C code yet
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| 15:17 | rcy: if anyone's actually doing work on a more than one-time basis, they should probably have a real account, though.
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| 15:17 | <rcy> im thinking about creating logins on the ltsp server from volunteers in the fgdb, and doing something like wiping guest logins
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| 15:17 | vagrantc_: yeah i agree, a guest account is no place to be saving work that you expect to be there days from now
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc_> can also make a shared directory that everyone can save to that doesn;t get wiped out
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| 15:18 | <rcy> im just wondering how other ltsp installations do it, particularily ones that offer guest/one-time access
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| 15:18 | vagrantc_: thats true
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| 15:18 | we're still using gdm here, not ldm
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| 15:19 | <rhombus> What am I using? I'm not sure.
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| 15:19 | I installed Ubuntu Server 6.06
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| 15:19 | I have X up but it just kicks me back to the login screen when I try to log in
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc_> rcy: oh, well... there's hooks to gdm that allow you to dynamically generate the login name or something.
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| 15:21 | rhombus: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-*-manager
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| 15:21 | <rhombus> vagrantc_
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| 15:21 | vagrantc_: thanks
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc_> rhombus: ubuntu 6.06 is a really old LTSP implementation, though.
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| 15:21 | <rhombus> vagrantc_: ouch
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| 15:21 | <rcy> vagrantc_: ok, ill look into that
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| 15:21 | <rhombus> vagrantc_: I picked it because it's the long-term support version
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc_> rhombus: an LTSP server is realyl more like a desktop environment.
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| 15:22 | <rhombus> vagrantc_: so that's what I should use, then?
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc_> rhombus: so the "server" variant typically is missing all the applications oyu need
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| 15:22 | <rcy> vagrantc_: do you have freegeek's software installation done via ltsp, or onelessdisk, or something? thats our next step with the network here
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc_> rhombus: do you have an x-session-manager installed ?
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| 15:22 | <rhombus> vagrantc_: now I'm not sure. That command you gave me will tell me?
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc_> rcy: i think freegeek portland is still running lessdisks, despite the fact that i dropped support for lessdisks years ago.
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| 15:23 | rhombus: yes.
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| 15:23 | <m3> rhombus: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc_> well, it'll tell me. i don't know what it will tell you :P
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| 15:23 | rhombus: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 15:24 | <rhombus> do I have to be chrooted in /opt/ltsp/i386 for this to work?
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc_> dpkg -l xbase-clients
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| 15:24 | rhombus: no
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| 15:24 | <rhombus> I'm getting a whole lot of "No such file or directory"
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| 15:24 | ls: /etc/alternatives/x-*-manager: No such file or directory
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc_> sounds like you don't have the needed stuff installed
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| 15:25 | <rhombus> so, I really should use the desktop install, then
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc_> probably
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| 15:25 | <rhombus> Let me ask this -- what's the current, recommended version of LTSP?
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| 15:25 | 5? 4.2?
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| 15:25 | * vagrantc_ looks at /topic | |
| 15:25 | <rhombus> I was trying to use 5, but the documentation is hurting.
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| 15:25 | ha
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| 15:25 | okay, well, that is what I picked
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| 15:25 | <rcy> vagrantc_: are you still involved at freegeek portland?
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc_> yeah, the documentation still kind of sucks
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| 15:26 | rcy: i ssh there almost daily :)
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| 15:26 | rcy: hoping to get back there soon
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| 15:26 | <rhombus> vagrantc_: once i understand it better I'd be happy to contribute some
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc_> rhombus: please do :)
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| 15:26 | <rcy> vagrantc_: so you wouldnt recommend using lessdisks for installations?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc_> the whole "server" issue is pretty confusing ... but LTSP is essentially a "Desktop server" ... so you need all the desktop applications installed on the server
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| 15:27 | <rhombus> vagrantc_: okay, what do I need to do here? Install Ubuntu 7.04, then do the quick install, and it should just work?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc_> rcy: absolutely not.
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| 15:27 | rcy: the only reason freegeek runs it is that i wrote it for fregeeek, and it kind of limped along and basically worked.
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| 15:28 | rhombus: sure.
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| 15:28 | <rhombus> vagrantc_: I ASSumed that the server was optimized for multi-user environments.
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| 15:28 | vagrantc_: I guess I will stop ASSuming things.
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc_> LTSP integration into generic ubuntu is still rough around the edges. edubuntu supports it out of the box.
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| 15:29 | <rcy> as i understand it, what we want to do is do a onetime installation of ubuntu, freegeekize it a bit, dd each of the filesystems to a server. then we can do a network boot of new machines, and fdisk and dd the fs images to the new drive.
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc_> rcy: ugly.
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| 15:29 | :)
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| 15:29 | <rhombus> vagrantc_: the funny thing is that when I use generic Ubuntu and the packages, I get an edubuntu startup screen anyway
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc_> i've gotta run some errands ... be back later
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| 15:29 | <rcy> vagrantc_: id love to hear a cleaner way
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc_> rhombus: yup. it's hard-coded.
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| 15:30 | <rhombus> thanks
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc_> rcy: post some questions to the startup list
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| 15:30 | <rcy> will do. thanks.
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| 21:14 | <andrew_> can someone help me think about server spec for a mixed thin / thick / Linux / Windows environment. We're likely to have 45 thin clients, 25 thick...how many and what speed of server do I need to run fileserver, DHCP, terminal server, and Windows...?
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| 21:15 | How much RAM...HD space, etc...?
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