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Channel log from 9 January 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:44 | <Ark74> hi!
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| 04:45 | i'd like to ask for your help about a autologin on ubuntu 12.04
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| 04:45 | i tried fixing static ip addresses on dhcpd.conf, with no luck
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| 04:47 | recently i got suggested to use ssh-keyring but i ended up with a non-super user power machine
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| 04:47 | i mean bye bye root and alike
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| 04:47 | :'(
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| 04:48 | i'd really like to have some guidance. I'll be around if anyone can spare some time
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| 04:48 | thank in advance
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| 04:48 | ;)
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| 05:03 | <dberkholz> can't tell you how much i appreciate the restraint from repeating yourself 5x
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> Ark74: you don't need static ip addresses for autologin, use [mac:address] sections
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| 07:06 | <gdi2k> Ark74, add to your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file, something like: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6719279/
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| 07:17 | <bringar> hullo
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| 07:17 | <alkisg> Hillo
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| 07:18 | <bringar> long time debian user , any more concise documentation than ltsp.org/docs ?
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> I think vagrantc, the debian ltsp maintainer, has some docs at debian.org, but I think it's just the debian-specific differences
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| 07:20 | <bringar> ahh
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> Are you missing some specific documentation?
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| 07:20 | <bringar> i know he is rapt with evolution vs. documentation
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| 07:21 | just a basic howto to setup modern x86-64 on debian
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| 07:22 | the docs are rather how do i say...
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 07:22 | <bringar> not to be rough
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| 07:24 | yes, thanx but...
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| 07:24 | this info is way outdated... like
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| 07:24 | sarge.. ?
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| 07:25 | <alkisg> last updated: 2013-03-19 21:07:03
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| 07:25 | <bringar> i know and apreciate LTSP is rapidly evolving any nowtos pertaining to wheezy or unstable with dailys from ltsp?
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| 07:25 | oh..
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| 07:26 | guess i need to learn some more from master vagrant
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> I don't see anything there that wouldn't apply to wheezy
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| 07:26 | What are your server, client, and network specs?
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| 07:27 | <bringar> debian ....
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| 07:27 | x86-64
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> dual core clients? how much ram? gigabit card? etc
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| 07:27 | <bringar> ?
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> The specifications of your client devices
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| 07:27 | How much RAM, what CPU, what graphics and network card, etc
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| 07:28 | <bringar> i am at lesiure fir a build, the specs are to my choosing
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| 07:28 | i am testing with core i7 cluents and xeon srevers
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| 07:28 | nvidia gpus
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| 07:28 | <alkisg> Then you might want to check fat clients
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| 07:29 | (ltsp fat clients, that is)
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| 07:29 | <bringar> exactly
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 07:29 | <ltsp> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 07:29 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> Read those 2, I don't see any debian documentation for them, but it should be really similar
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| 07:30 | <bringar> its's not a problem of spec or understanding of the basics, just higly cutomized/ specialized setup configs
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> What customization are you looking for?
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| 07:30 | Fat clients, ltsp-pnp etc, are not customizations, just standard ltsp usage...
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| 07:31 | <bringar> i would like to differentiate disk services to fat clients with xsession data
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| 07:31 | for instance
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> Fat clients only have disk services, what do you mean xsession data?
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| 07:31 | <bringar> ltsp seems to take so much for granted aas a default install
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> I think it's the exact opposite of what you say :)
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| 07:32 | <bringar> ok , perhaps i'm missing something
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> We have so many things in the codebase for the needs of few individuals, that the code became a bit chaotic just because of that
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| 07:33 | nbd, nfs, aoe, sshfs, ltspfs... just the file systems
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| 07:33 | <bringar> i want to suport fat clients for gimp and heavy oppenoffice/libreoffice usage
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> copying them to ram, to local storage, running remotely, localapps, remoteapps, mime handling... chaos
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| 07:33 | <bringar> yes, too many block layer supports
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> Fat clients behave pretty much like local installations
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| 07:34 | <bringar> ahh i know
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> So gimp, libreoffice etc with core i* is pretty simple
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| 07:34 | <bringar> i want rich experience but localied administraton and resource maneagement
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> Yup, you just want a simple fat clients installation
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| 07:34 | Nothing customized so far :)
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| 07:34 | <bringar> er centalized
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| 07:35 | yes
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| 07:35 | basically a debain desktop remotelys served
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| 07:35 | over 1gbs +_
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| 07:36 | er 1 gbps ++
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> Right, so read the fatclients, the ltsp-pnp and the debian wiki page
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| 07:36 | <bringar> network build again is mine to do
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> It shouldn't take more than a few commands + 1h to do it
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| 07:36 | <bringar> ok
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| 07:38 | thank you BTW
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> np
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| 07:38 | Personal opinion, I'd go for ltsp-pnp
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| 07:38 | (on debian)
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| 07:38 | wheezy + backports
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| 07:41 | <bringar> got a /etct/apt/sources line for that?
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| 07:42 | er ... slippery fingers
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> It's mentioned in the debian wiki page above...
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| 07:48 | <bringar> thanx for all the assistance
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| 07:49 | do you know vagrant's usual arrival, i would like to say hello again...
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| 07:50 | i used to know hin in the phyisical..
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> Since he's not here at this hour, I don't think he'll arrive shortly
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| 07:50 | Maybe in 12 hours
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| 07:50 | <bringar> cool , ta
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| 07:50 | er ta
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> bb
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| 07:53 | <bringar> .gr is where?
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| 07:54 | juss curious
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> Greece
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| 07:55 | <bringar> oh, cool
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| 07:55 | how do you come by ltsp then?
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> We have about 500+ schools here using ltsp, I'm a member of their support team (and an ltsp developer because of that... :))
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| 07:55 | http://www.ltsp.org/stories/widget-map/?location=Greece
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| 07:55 | <bringar> awesoe
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| 07:56 | i knew vagrant in a past life it eems
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| 07:56 | * alkisg met vagrantc in person two years ago... he's a very nice guy | |
| 07:56 | <bringar> he taught me to build my first inux kernel
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| 07:57 | awesome guy
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| 07:57 | that was linux 2.2 kernel ...
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> Haha, that was a while ago... :D
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| 07:58 | <bringar> uh, yeah =, our pathes have diverged a bit
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| 07:59 | anyways i find myself in need if this gift ti us he has given
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| 07:59 | er to us
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| 08:00 | i remember the inception of his involvement exactly
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| 08:01 | <bringar> hullo
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| 08:01 | oh, i built 2.2 on redhat....
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| 08:01 | ick
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| 08:02 | vc introduced me as well to debian
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| 08:04 | \me picks his nose
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| 08:04 | .me looks around sheepishly
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| 08:05 | * bringar eer | |
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| 08:08 | <bringar> nite for now
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| 09:11 | <markit> hi alkisg :) Yesterday night by mistake I've upgraded a 12.04 - 32 ltsp server with greek repo with aptitude full-upgrade, and ltsp packages have jumped from 5.4 to 5.5. Seemed to work once updated chroot also, but was not able to do extensive tests . Anythin I'd better be aware and fix tonight? :)
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> markit: no, it's just routine upgrade :)
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> 500+ schools get it, and I didn't have any issues reported yet, so I'm not really expecting anything...
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| 09:16 | The new ltspfs saved us some RAM + CPU, the new ltsp offers a few more things etc etc
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| 09:16 | And I'll send a new nbd-server in maybe 2 weeks
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| 09:17 | markit: upgrades go to our -proposed ppa first, if you want to see them before they go to the main ppa
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| 09:21 | <markit> alkisg: thanks a lot :)
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| 09:21 | I've briefily seen some errors reported by KDE, apparmor related, but don't know if introduced by kde 4.11 to 4.12 upgrade, I will investigate later in the week
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| 09:23 | at the moment my pains come from some LiBo-kde related bugs, and printers in general
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| 09:23 | in addition to teachers total ignorance
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> !learn noaccel as `Some graphics cards, e.g. sis on 14.04, require this setting in lts.conf: X_OPTION_01="\"NoAccel\""`
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| 09:32 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> !noaccel
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| 09:32 | <ltsp> noaccel: Some graphics cards, e.g. sis on 14.04, require this setting in lts.conf: X_OPTION_01=""NoAccel""
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| 09:33 | <alkisg> !noaccel
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| 09:33 | <ltsp> noaccel: Some graphics cards, e.g. sis on 14.04, require this setting in lts.conf: X_OPTION_01="\"NoAccel\""
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| 10:11 | <Marc_> hello
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| 14:22 | <lifeboy> Hi all
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| 14:22 | Having a strange problem with X configuration on a thin client.
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| 14:23 | Same hardware thin clients, some use a Samsung 19" LED screen and other an older 19 Benq LCD.
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| 14:24 | The Benq monitor clients see only garbage (little coloured blocks), while the Samsung clients are fine.
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| 14:24 | <vlt> lifeboy: Which distro?
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| 14:25 | <lifeboy> Debian 7 Wheezy
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| 14:25 | <vlt> lifeboy: Does your lts.conf specify any X settings?
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| 14:25 | <lifeboy> No difference whether I use an xorg.conf of not, or set the lst.conf X settings
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| 14:26 | <vlt> lifeboy: Already tried without any settings in a conf file?
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| 14:26 | <lifeboy> Yes, that was the initial setup. Of course, if I knew how to determine which X settings to set in lts.conf...
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| 14:27 | There is no error in the xorg log file, since the display card is detected correctly configured
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| 14:27 | but I think the monitor gets send a frequency or setting it can't handle
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| 14:27 | It used the vesa driver
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| 14:29 | It's the combination of the RDC display card and Benq monitor. The Benq monitors work fine with the same ltsp server and chroot on other hardware clients
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| 14:30 | Interestingly is was working 100% when I was still booting Ubuntu 10.04... Now that the chroot is running Debian 7, the monitor fails.
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| 14:30 | s/is was working/it was working/
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| 14:31 | <vlt> hmmm
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| 14:32 | <lifeboy> Probably not quite an ltsp issue, except it makes it really difficult to troubleshoot, especially when working remotely!
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| 14:32 | <vlt> Did you use any drivers on Ubuntu that are not available (by default) on a Debian system=
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| 14:32 | ?
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| 14:32 | <lifeboy> no, just using the standard vesa driver
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| 14:33 | There is an rdc display driver, but it's not as stable as the vesa one, so there little reason to use it.
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| 14:34 | I've been trawling the interwebs to see what I can find on how to determine a monitor's capabilities, but clearly doing that by means of the system that fails to detect the correct setting, will not give better results that what I'm getting already.
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| 14:36 | <lifeboy> I'm using the following in my lts.conf in an attempt to force better settings.
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| 14:36 | CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 14:36 | XSERVER = "vesa"
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| 14:36 | X_COLOR_DEPTH = 15
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| 14:36 | X_MODE_0 = 1440x900
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| 15:06 | <johnhupp> Hi, all. Alkis suggested I come by here to see if a live session might quickly solve the problem in which clients fail with "Error: Socket failed: connection refused"
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| 15:06 | So I'll find out who is around at this hour.
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| 15:10 | He made that suggestion almost 12 hours ago so perhaps timing will be a bit of an issue....
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| 15:15 | <markit> johnhupp: I've some note about that error, but don't know if related (and I've no time to help you sorry). Are you using ubuntu 12.04?
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| 15:16 | <johnhupp> Ubuntu 13.10. I've never had this problem on older *buntu's.
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| 15:17 | <markit> mm dnsmasq as dhcp proxy?
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| 15:17 | well, in any case my only note about this issue is: This is another type of error seen alot in setting up ltsp. Specific to 12.04, nbd-server uses a separate port (with the standard being port 2000). You may need to modify the default file and remove the port number after the nbdroot. ex:
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| 15:17 | nbdroot=192.168.x.x:2000 or nbdroot=192.168.x.x nbdport=2000
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| 15:18 | In the above case nbdroot should again be:
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| 15:18 | nbdroot=:ltsp_i386
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| 15:18 | <johnhupp> I'm using the standard ltsp-pnp setup with a couple small mods.
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| 15:19 | <Neemias> Ola
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| 15:19 | Ola
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| 15:20 | Alguem sabe me dizer como faço pra instalar o LTSP no CentOs?
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| 15:21 | <johnhupp> The mods: 1) Edit /etc/dnsmasq.d/network-manager to replace bind-interfaces with bind-dynamic. 2) Edit /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf and comment out port=0.
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| 15:21 | <markit> johnhupp: ah, sorry, I know nothing about the -pnp version, never tried
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| 15:22 | btw, maybe nbdroot=/opt/ltsp/i386 instead of nbdroot=:ltsp_i386 in more recent versions
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| 15:22 | <Neemias> ?
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| 15:22 | Como faço paa instalar o LTSP no CentOS
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| 15:22 | ?
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| 15:23 | <johnhupp> In PNP there is no separate chroot, it just uses /, not /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:24 | (Sorry, Neemias, I don't speak your language, and I don't use CentOS.)
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| 15:28 | But Neemias, somewhere there is a little instruction for installing LTSP on certain distros that don't have an installer disc with LTSP as an option. I used this instruction to install LTSP on Lubuntu.
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| 15:29 | It does rely on support in the repositories, however, and I have no idea whether CentOS has this support.
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| 15:54 | <other_other_joe> any experts around?
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| 15:55 | I'm trying to figure out or figure out a good way to figure out why some of my lts.conf variables aren't always honored
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| 15:57 | <other_other_joe> SHUTDOWN_TIME="23:45:00"
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| 15:57 | for instance
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| 15:57 | <other_other_joe> is set and reflected with getltsp -a
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| 15:59 | but the node didn't shut down
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| 16:10 | <gvy> other_other_joe, I'd start with grepping through the corresponding chroot or booted rootfs regarding that
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| 16:10 | <gvy> just in case there's none
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| 16:13 | <other_other_joe> I'm sorry, I don't think I follow you?
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| 16:13 | /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/lts.conf does have the SHUTDOWN_TIME variable set
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| 16:14 | and the node reflects it being set as an environmental variable
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| 16:14 | <gvy> I mean that I'd do something like grep -r SHUTDOWN_TIME /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 16:14 | to see if ot
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| 16:14 | *to see if it's used in any actual script handler and not only declared
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| 16:15 | <other_other_joe> ah, I see
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| 16:15 | It is used somewhere. Most of my nodes honor it
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| 16:15 | <gvy> ah
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| 16:16 | then I'd look into the context of that script, maybe backup it and tweak to add set -x (and probably exec 2>/tmp/log or something)
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| 16:16 | <other_other_joe> I have LDM_DEBUG set as well
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| 16:16 | ah
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| 16:16 | good call
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| 16:29 | <epoptes_user8> Hey guys. I'm new at LTSP and I'm trying to run either epoptes or ltsp-manager but both give me code errors... any clues?
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| 16:29 | <alkisg1> epoptes_user8: what errors does epoptes give you?
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| 16:30 | Also, which distribution and version?
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| 16:30 | <epoptes_user8> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/epoptes", line 63, in <module> epoptesGui = gui.EpoptesGui() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/epoptes/ui/gui.py", line 89, in __init__ if config.settings.has_option('GUI', 'showRealNames'): AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'settings'
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| 16:30 | Using Ubuntu 13.10
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| 16:31 | <alkisg1> epoptes_user8: did you run sudo epoptes?
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| 16:31 | <epoptes_user8> yes
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| 16:31 | <alkisg1> Don't, run epoptes from the menu.
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| 16:31 | <alkisg1> Or anyway without the sudo part
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| 16:32 | <IxE> I tried with sudo and without
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| 16:32 | <alkisg1> OK, try without. What does it say?
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| 16:32 | <IxE> Connection with epoptes failed: An error occurred while connecting: 13: Permission non accordée.
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| 16:32 | <alkisg1> Did you read http://www.epoptes.org/installation?
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| 16:32 | <IxE> Permission non accordée. = Permission dinied
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| 16:32 | <alkisg1> You need to add yourself to the epoptes group, AND logout/login again
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| 16:32 | <IxE> Permission non accordée. = Permission denied
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| 16:33 | I added myself but didn't logout/login... let me try
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| 16:33 | <alkisg1> Instead of logout,
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| 16:33 | you can run "newgrp epoptes"
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| 16:33 | and then "epoptes"
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| 16:33 | But it's easier if you just logout/login
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| 16:34 | <IxE> no.. it worked... thanks... that was easy enough! ;)
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| 16:34 | <alkisg1> Yup, the installation page should contain all the necessary info...
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| 16:35 | <IxE> Thanks bud!
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| 16:36 | <alkisg1> np
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| 16:37 | <IxE> got any experience with ltsp-manager?
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| 16:41 | <other_other_joe> alkisg1: do the LDM_AUTOLOGIN and LDM_USERNAME variables being set have any effect on the ldm scripts that run?
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| 16:42 | X** scripts don't run if AUTOLOGIN set, or something like that I mean
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| 16:45 | <alkisg1> IxE: ltsp-manager isn't maintained, it doesn't work anymore
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| 16:45 | <alkisg1> other_other_joe: I don't understand your question
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| 16:46 | those variables do what they're designed to do...
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| 16:46 | So yeah they have an effect, they autologin the user :)
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| 16:46 | <other_other_joe> haha, right right
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| 16:47 | I mean, do they effect what priority the ldm/rc.d scripts have
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| 16:48 | <ogra_> alkisg1, lol
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| 16:48 | ltsp-manager never worked
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| 16:48 | <alkisg1> ogra_: I wonder why it's still in the archives :)
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| 16:48 | <ogra_> (or did anyone take my few lines of mockup code and make it work)
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| 16:49 | alkisg1, because nobody filed a removal bug i guess
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| 16:49 | <other_other_joe> I was trying to test a script X99-test that just "echo 'test-x99' > /home/ldm_rc.txt" on a client that autologins
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| 16:49 | <alkisg1> ogra_: I guess the developer should do that :)
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| 16:49 | <other_other_joe> doesn't wanna work
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| 16:49 | <ogra_> now you tell me !
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| 16:49 | <alkisg1> Since it never had any users, if it never worked! :)
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| 16:49 | <ogra_> :)
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| 16:50 | <alkisg1> other_other_joe: is that /home/file, or /home/username/file ?
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| 16:50 | <other_other_joe> /home/file
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| 16:50 | <alkisg1> other_other_joe: anyway, if you're trying to see about SHUTDOWN_TIME, I think that part of the code has some bugs
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| 16:50 | First check what it puts in crontab...
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| 16:50 | <other_other_joe> ah, yea that was a thing too
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| 16:52 | <other_other_joe> apparently nothing :)
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| 16:52 | no crontab for root
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| 16:52 | on that client that didn't shut down that is
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| 16:52 | <alkisg1> CRON_FILE=/etc/cron.d/ltsp
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| 16:54 | <other_other_joe> ah
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| 16:54 | all looks well there
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| 16:54 | 45 23 * * * root test ! -S "$(ls -1 /var/run/ldm_socket_* | head -1)" && PATH=$PATH:/sbin/ poweroff
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| 16:54 | matches a cron on a client that did shut down
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| 16:55 | guess I didn't realize it was working on cron, I'll check those logs
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| 17:00 | <ogra_> alkisg1, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-manager/+bug/1267538 for your pleasure :)
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| 17:01 | <alkisg1> ogra_: nice, I think IxE will be less confused on which tool to choose now :)
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| 17:01 | <ogra_> yep
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| 17:01 | should save some future support questions :)
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| 17:05 | <johnhupp> Hi, all. I'm troubleshooting clients failing to boot under *buntu 13.10. Message is 'Error: socket failed: connection refused'. But give me a minute while I quit here and rejoin from the server....
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| 17:06 | <ogra_> alkisg1, ^^^ dont miss him this time :P
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| 17:06 | <alkisg1> Haha
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| 17:07 | <alkisg1> Yeah it's been 2 months now that I've been reading his troubleshooting efforts in the ML
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| 17:07 | I'm guessing it's worth it to spend 5 minutes to solve them, instead... :)
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| 17:07 | <ogra_> lol, yeah
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> johnhupp: hi there
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| 17:09 | <johnhupp> OK, back again, sitting in front of the server. Hi, Alkis.
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> johnhupp: so, your issue is still with the nbd server ?
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| 17:10 | <johnhupp> You or Vagrant suggested that I try troubleshooting without LTSP, so I think I exonerated NBD in that process
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> johnhupp: let's try to do this quickly... you have a broken ltsp server, and you want to fix it, right?
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| 17:11 | What differences do you want from the "standard" ltsp-pnp setup?
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| 17:11 | <johnhupp> On a freestanding machine, I was able to test NBD and it looked OK. So unless NBD has a problem that only shows up in LTSP, it seems like it may be something else.
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| 17:11 | broken ltsp server, right.
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| 17:12 | <alkisg> Let me take a quick glance there... this will share your screen with me: x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 17:12 | <johnhupp> The mods: 1) Edit /etc/dnsmasq.d/network-manager to replace bind-interfaces with bind-dynamic. 2) Edit /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf and comment out port=0.
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| 17:12 | <alkisg> (install x11vnc if you don't have it)
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| 17:13 | <johnhupp> OK, hold on while I install ...
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> !kvm
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| 17:18 | <ltsp> kvm: Virtual thin client: kvm -vga vmware -ctrl-grab -kernel /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz -append "append ro initrd=initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/nbd0 ip=:10.160.67.10::" -initrd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/initrd.img -no-shutdown
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> johnhupp: your nbd server etc work fine
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| 17:24 | I.e. the kvm client booted fine
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| 17:24 | So I'm guessing that the problem is in your dhcp server
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| 17:24 | What are you using for the dhcp server? A router? A windows server?
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| 17:24 | <johnhupp> router
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> I tried asking the router for an IP, but it didn't answer
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| 17:25 | Any weird configuration on that router?
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| 17:25 | <johnhupp> no, out-of-the box except for the wireless stuff
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> johnhupp: did the client drop in a busybox?
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| 17:32 | <johnhupp> client failed as it was "setting up nbd-client
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> johnhupp: the client didn't try to contact the server at all
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| 17:33 | So it might be trying to connect e.g. to your router
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| 17:33 | What's the last line that you see in your client?
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| 17:33 | <johnhupp> but isn't wouldn't it look like that with "connection refused"
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| 17:34 | now it's in the busybox shell
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> ok, run this: cat /run/net*.conf
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| 17:34 | And see the line for ROOTSERVER there
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| 17:34 | That should be your ltsp server. If it isn't, then that's your problem
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| 17:35 | <johnhupp> run that cat cmd on the client?
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 17:35 | <johnhupp> "no such file or directory"
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> That means that the network wasn't configured...
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| 17:36 | Run this: ipconfig
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| 17:36 | (all on the client)
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| 17:36 | <johnhupp> "no devices to configure"
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> ipconfig eth0
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| 17:37 | <johnhupp> no response to that command
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> So, I think that the problem is that the kernel/initramfs doesn't see your network card
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| 17:37 | What card is it?
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| 17:37 | <johnhupp> it's a 3com, and it has a module loaded
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> And, do you have a standard kernel/initramfs, or did you mess with it?
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| 17:37 | <johnhupp> how would I have messed with it?
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> Because I see that your /boot is 5 Gb... :)
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| 17:38 | And your /lib/modules 10 Gb... :)
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| 17:38 | <johnhupp> i tested a bunch of kernels
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> Is that one we're trying with now, the default one?
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| 17:38 | <johnhupp> yes, a default ubuntu kernel
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> Do you have another client to test with?
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| 17:39 | <johnhupp> yes, shall i?
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> Please do
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| 17:39 | The kvm virtual client seems to boot fine
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| 17:40 | although it's really slow because your server doesn't support acceleration
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| 17:48 | !nbd-client
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| 17:48 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> johnhupp: try that from busybox, but put your server's IP there
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Aaah you might be having the problem with the "ip" variable that was forced to be uppercased later on in initramfs-tools
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| 17:53 | I don't think anyone's testing those non-LTS versions for LTSP... you guys should stop using those :)
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| 18:00 | * alkisg is talking about http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2509 | |
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| 18:06 | <johnhupp> I'm sorry, Alkis, my hastily arranged second client seems to have involved my toggling off the power for a UPS this server was connected to
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> johnhupp: sorry I got busy too and left it for a few minutes...
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| 18:08 | Connect again, x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 18:16 | <johnhupp> that works!
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| 18:16 | <alkisg> johnhupp: ok so if you want file a bug for ubuntu saucy to backport the fix that I linked above ^
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| 18:16 | And, stop using non-LTS ubuntu releases :)
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| 18:17 | <johnhupp> they solve other problems for me (sad)
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> Like what?
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| 18:17 | <johnhupp> tell me more about the bug-fix
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| 18:17 | zram broken
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> Click on the link above ^
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| 18:17 | (08:00:40 μμ) ***alkisg is talking about http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2509
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| 18:17 | Don't use zram
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| 18:17 | It harms LTSP clients
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| 18:18 | <johnhupp> wow, i didn't know that about zram: clients
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| 18:19 | the fix is released for 14.04?
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> Yes, and for 12.04 in the greek schools ppa
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| 18:20 | <johnhupp> ok, I'll look at filing a bug
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| 18:21 | thanks for identifying this -- it was quite a display :-)
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| 18:22 | * alkisg needs to stop replying to people NOT using LTS releases though :) | |
| 18:22 | <johnhupp> yes, I figured no one else was treading on this untested ground, going where angels fear to walk
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| 18:25 | ok, signing off, and it bears repeating: thanks for investing this effort in a "quick" look!
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> bb! :)
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| 19:13 | <IxE> Anyone know any tools similar to ltsp-manager that works?
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> opensuse had a tool named "easy ltsp", I don't think ubuntu ever had one
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| 19:22 | <IxE> thanks alkisg
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| 19:33 | <Ark74> alkisg, what is the effect on clients using zram, could it damage the memories?
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> Ark74: no, it just takes some memory from the client
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| 19:34 | We have NBD_SWAP, we don't need zram for swapping
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| 19:34 | s/takes/reserves/
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| 19:36 | <Ark74> alkisg, i'm re-installing my server, haven't setp up successfully NBD SWAP, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP would not work
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> Ark74: it's automatically enabled
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| 19:38 | <Ark74> alkisg, is it a file created on /tmp something "orbit" on it?
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> Yes, /tmp/nbd-swap*
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| 19:40 | <Ark74> wow! right, haven't noticed before
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| 19:40 | nbd nbd 4,0K ene 9 13:39 nbd-swap
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| 20:55 | <other_other_joe> !manual
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| 20:55 | <ltsp> manual: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ltsp/files/Docs-Admin-Guide/LTSPManual.pdf/download
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| 21:05 | <other_ot1er_joe> can I just add whavetever options I want to the lts.conf and have them exported as variables unrelated to ltsp?
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| 21:05 | [default]
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| 21:06 | I'd like evironmental variable A exported on all clients for instance
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| 21:06 | can I just toss A='value' in the default section?
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