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Channel log from 7 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:41 | <lns_> ogra, does italc replace thin-client-manager ?
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| 01:43 | <stgraber> lns_: yes
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| 01:45 | <lns_> stgraber, wow just reading about you on the lists =p
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| 01:45 | so you're in charge of merging this w/hardy?
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| 01:45 | or at least one of them? =)
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| 01:46 | <stgraber> yes, I have done iTalc integration in Hardy
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| 01:46 | <lns_> what's its status? is it stable to use in production environments?
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| 01:46 | <stgraber> and am working on the one for Intrepid including classroom auto-generation (using avahi) and in-chroot installation for LTSP
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| 01:47 | <lns_> that's what i was wondering about - w/ltsp
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| 01:47 | <ogra> lns_, he's not "one of the men", he's "*the* man" ! :)
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| 01:48 | <lns_> haha
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| 01:48 | <stgraber> the one in Hardy is working correctly but the lack of computer auto-detection in complex LTSP environments (multiple servers) and standalone workstations is the main problem
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| 01:48 | <lns_> didn't think you'd be on this late ogra
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| 01:48 | <ogra> late ? heh
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| 01:48 | <stgraber> the abillity to install inside the LTSP chroot was also requested by some users to get better performance in demo mode
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| 01:48 | <ogra> very early here :)
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| 01:49 | <lns_> heh
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| 01:49 | <laga> it's almost 9am, that's not "very early" you slacker ;)
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| 01:49 | <stgraber> ogra: hmm, very early ... it's just 8:48 :)
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| 01:49 | even with the platform meeting at 8am :)
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| 01:49 | <lns_> it's 21:49pm here =p
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| 01:49 | <ogra> stgraber, for someone who went to bed at 4am thats quite early :)
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| 01:50 | <laga> okay, i'd have refused to get up then.
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| 01:50 | i went to bed at 12am and i'm still tired ;)
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| 01:50 | <lns_> stgraber, so is italc stable for production given all workstations are ltsp thin-clients?
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| 01:50 | <ogra> laga, no choice ... its my weekly 8am horror wednesday meeting
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| 01:51 | <stgraber> lns_: we still have some crashes from time to time (memory problem in the client part) but except that it's working fine
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| 01:51 | <lns_> i've spent the past fri/mon/tue moving into my new office away from home (moooovin on up)
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| 01:52 | stgraber, crashes on client meaning thin-client or on the client viewing the other stations?
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| 01:52 | still learning about italc (and verbage)
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| 01:52 | <stgraber> lns_: the client par of italc (ica) so basically you'll miss a student in the teacher software
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| 01:54 | <lns_> stgraber, so does italc-client crash or the whole thin-client session?
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| 01:54 | <stgraber> only italc-client
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| 01:54 | <lns_> ok
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| 01:55 | * lns_ can't wait to start upgrading to hardy | |
| 01:56 | <lns_> #
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| 01:56 | Make noise on the mailing list and IRC channels to attract more developers for upstream fixes
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| 01:56 | * TODO -> Ogra
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| 01:57 | =p
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| 01:58 | <stgraber> we have a wonderful upstream, so no need of additional developers (yet) :)
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| 01:58 | he simply merges all my patches and implement what I need
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| 01:58 | <ogra> yeah
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| 01:59 | <lns_> nice
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| 02:00 | well, it's about time for me to hit the old dusty trail
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| 02:00 | <ogra> stgraber, btw, if i compare italc and t-c-m, t-c-m to me looks still like the better process manager ... we can probably look into that for intrepid as well
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| 02:01 | (i.e. if someone wants to just manage per user processlists)
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| 02:01 | or per terminal ...
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| 02:02 | <stgraber> right, italc doesn't have a processus manager but is that really used when you have VNC control over the user session ?
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| 02:02 | I can probably propose the feature though and see if Tobias or someone wants to implement it
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| 02:02 | <ogra> people sometimes want to look for runaway processes etc and t-c-m stays near the gnome-system monitor they are used to
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| 02:03 | <lns_> stgraber, i know my teachers enjoy using process manager in system monitor for gnome
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| 02:03 | <ogra> (in a rudimentry way though :) )
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| 02:04 | its not a *need* but i noticed the request for something to manage processes often recently
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| 02:04 | <stgraber> I'm currently trying to have Tobias to include all remaining changes for avahi support in 1.0.9 (to be released real soon). I'll discuss next changes with him after FOSSCamp/UDS
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| 02:15 | <stgraber> ogra: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=132465&atid=724378
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| 02:16 | <stgraber> File manager would be cool too but probably not an easy thing to implement
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| 02:19 | <ogra> yeah
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| 02:44 | <cyberorg> hi ogra StevenR
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| 02:44 | stgraber, *
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| 02:44 | <stgraber> hi cyberorg
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| 02:46 | <dberkholz> ogra: gonna make it to the hackfest?
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| 02:46 | <gvy> cyberorg, ! :)
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| 02:46 | <cyberorg> hiya gvy :)
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| 02:47 | <ogra> dberkholz, i just got informal approval for ubuntulive, oscon (have to pay that myself) and latp hackfest ... i''m waiting for a formal approval though
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| 02:47 | *ltsp
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| 02:47 | <gvy> ogra, morning! :)
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| 02:47 | <ogra> gvy, rather night, i'm about to go back to bed ...
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| 02:47 | :)
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| 02:48 | gvy, so how about you and the hackfest ?
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| 02:48 | any chance to get you there ?
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| 02:49 | <gvy> ogra, just returned from Jerusalem -- no spare money but eur 400 :)
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| 02:49 | ogra, ah, you in america now?
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| 02:49 | <ogra> mak your company pay
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| 02:49 | *make
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| 02:49 | nope
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| 02:49 | home in germany
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| 02:49 | <gvy> ugh!
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| 02:49 | <ogra> but i will likely go there (its in july)
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| 02:49 | <gvy> re company, we're really small consultancy... hope next time will be able to see ya folks :)
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| 02:50 | ogra, altlinux pays for me flying to tomsk to tell about ltsp/altsp development
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| 02:50 | <gvy> jammcq's slides came *very* handy for the larger project part :)
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| 02:50 | <ogra> yeah
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| 02:50 | <gvy> (free software development conf 17--18.05)
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| 02:51 | <ogra> gvy, btw, seems my spec for lowend kernel image seems to be approved i'll bug you a lot after UDS (next month)
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| 02:51 | <gvy> so maybe if russian gov't will find terminal solutions nice *they* will pay for us with led coming :)
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| 02:52 | <stgraber> ogra: Too bad I'll only arrive to Canada in very late July (if everything goes well), would have been cool to see some of the others LTSP dev :)
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| 02:52 | <ogra> might be that our next UDS is even more eastern, we have some 100000s setups in georgia, russia etc now so i suspect it wont end in prague wrt going east :)
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| 02:53 | stgraber, well, canada is big :) where about there ?
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| 02:53 | (east or west)
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| 02:54 | <stgraber> ogra: I'll start working in Quebec in early August, arriving in late July (if school and all other stuff go as expected)
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| 02:54 | <ogra> i think fgiraldeau sits in vancouver
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| 02:54 | <stgraber> fgirldeau sits in Sherbrooke, Quebec
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| 02:54 | <ogra> he could give you a lift
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| 02:54 | ah
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| 02:54 | <stgraber> *fgiraldeau
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| 02:55 | <gvy> ogra, good :)
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| 02:56 | <dberkholz> ogra: good deal
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| 02:56 | * dberkholz sleeps | |
| 02:58 | <gvy> ogra, 100000 ltsp setups in russia???? wow
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| 02:59 | <ogra> something along these lines, yes
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| 02:59 | they do a local rebuild/rebrand for the russian laws so a local company can do support afaik
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| 03:00 | similar to guadalinex in spain (500000 desktops)
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| 03:00 | and the canary islands (200000)
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| 03:00 | now someone say linux isnt ready for the desktop :P
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| 03:01 | <stgraber> :)
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| 03:02 | <ogra> (the thing vagrant was in spain for is also about 500000 debian desktop/thin client setups i think )
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| 03:02 | spain is pretty good wrt OSS pushing :)
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| 03:02 | <itais> ogra: not so many, only 150.000
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| 03:02 | <gvy> ogra, hmm... VNIINS?
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| 03:02 | forget them :)
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| 03:02 | <ogra> itais, oh, i'm sure that wil grow :)
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| 03:03 | <itais> oh, sure, I'm speaking only of the region of Extremadura, one of the smallest in the country
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| 03:03 | I guess some others will follow our track if we succeed, and I don't doubt we will
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| 03:03 | <ogra> itais, guadalinex had 150000 when i first met them 2 years ago, last year they had 350000, now its up to half a million
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| 03:03 | <gvy> ogra, VNIINS are making much noise but very little work
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| 03:03 | <itais> but guadalinex is not using ltsp
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| 03:03 | they're waiting for us to see if it works
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| 03:03 | <ogra> the installs in the schools do
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| 03:04 | <itais> no
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| 03:04 | <gvy> if you're talking of school deployment in russia, they're basically outsiders
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| 03:04 | (in fact they lost the tender to altlinux)
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| 03:04 | <itais> the installs in the guadalinex school is workstation
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| 03:04 | <ogra> itais, i had a demo at a primary school
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| 03:04 | <gvy> (and stand tests looked *horrible*)
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| 03:04 | <ogra> they showed me the ltsp setup
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| 03:04 | <itais> believe me, they're using only workstation setups
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| 03:04 | <gvy> that's mostly the fault to work with community and upstream, as they're sorta Military Ltd
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| 03:04 | <ogra> hmm
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| 03:05 | <itais> maybe your school was only a test
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| 03:05 | <gvy> and known for violating GPL as well (MSVS OS)
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| 03:05 | * ogra wonders what that was then ... vagrant was there as well | |
| 03:05 | <itais> guadalinex people have asked us to phone them to come to Extremadura and see it when we end our setup
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| 03:05 | <ogra> hmm
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| 03:05 | thats funny
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| 03:06 | i'm really sure what we saw was ltsp
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| 03:06 | <gvy> ogra, btw i'll see those folks in tomsk too -- if you happen to have some q's, i can try to get some a's
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| 03:06 | <itais> ogra: I'm sure, Andalucia ("guadalinex region) is 70 kms away from Mérida (Extremadura, "linex" region) where i live, and our governments have multiple contacts and meetings
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| 03:06 | <gvy> itais, "guadalinux"? 8)
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| 03:07 | <itais> not
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| 03:07 | guadalinex as the followed our "linex" project
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| 03:07 | linex= linux for Extremadura
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| 03:07 | <gvy> ah, sorry
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| 03:07 | <ogra> itais, yeah, i belive you, you are closer, but still .... i saw that setup :) probably really only a demo
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| 03:07 | <gvy> someone markets some pills or anything under that name here...
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| 03:07 | folks were largely amused at ads :)
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| 03:07 | <itais> yeah, probably, or some of their tests
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| 03:08 | <itais> they have told us they made tests but they didn't get good results, that's why they're waiting for our work
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| 03:08 | <ogra> itais, still, the numbers your country throws out are impressive
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| 03:08 | :)
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| 03:09 | its rarely less than six digits :)
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| 03:09 | <itais> ogra: right, I'm paid for working in linux deployment in schools, don't need to volunteer, that's a paradise, with problems, but a paradise
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| 03:09 | <ogra> sad that you have so much politics involved though
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| 03:09 | <itais> yes, but without politics inside we never could have achieve those numbers
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| 03:10 | <ogra> indeed
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| 03:10 | <comete> hi
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| 03:10 | <itais> so, that's something we have to live with, sometimes they're useful, many others they are disturbing
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| 03:10 | <ogra> yeah
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| 03:11 | <comete> where should i set the umask=002 for my ltsp clients to work with this value ?
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| 03:11 | <ogra> but what i find sad is that you have this per-region fragmentation, imagine what you could do if everyone lined up and worked on a sigle product
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| 03:11 | <comete> i've tried /etc/profile without success
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| 03:11 | <gvy> comete, probably in /etc/profile* or anything on ltsp *server*?
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| 03:12 | <ogra> comete, /etc/login.defs on teh server iirc
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| 03:12 | <itais> ogra: right, but under the hood, we're developers who know each other and use to work together whenever we can, as you do in ltsp
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| 03:12 | <ogra> yeah :)
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| 03:12 | <comete> ogra, ok i try
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| 03:14 | <ogra> comete, were you the one asking about lots of localdevs on client desktops ?
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| 03:15 | <Chiku> hello
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| 03:18 | <gvy> ogra, thanks for invitation and sorry if i spoiled the numbers...
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| 03:18 | slowly leaving for a customer and heading to the office
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| 03:18 | have some sleep :)
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| 03:18 | <ogra> thx :)
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| 03:41 | <stgraber> ogra: hmm, I just noticed something weird, why is the ltsp lts.conf documentation in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/ ?
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| 03:42 | It would make a lot more sense to be on the server
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| 03:42 | <comete> ogra, it doesn't seem to work with /etc/login.defs
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| 03:43 | <ogra> comete, you are aware that the umask value only applies to new directories ?
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| 03:43 | <comete> ogra, i asked about localdev one or two years ago yes
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| 03:43 | ogra, yes i know
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| 03:44 | ogra, the new created files or directories get rwxr-xr-x with umask=002
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| 03:45 | ogra, my parent directories are all set with chmod g+s
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| 03:45 | it seems that the umask value isn't read
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| 03:47 | <ogra_> comete, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320 make sure to have hardy-updates enabled, it will show up there for 8.04.1 (if you are adventurous you can try hardy-proposed, where the -updates packages get tested before being moved over)
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| 03:51 | <comete> ogra, oh ok that's for local devices
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| 03:51 | <ogra> right
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| 03:51 | <comete> ogra, any idea for my umask problem ?
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| 03:51 | <ogra> for the issue where you see the devices of others
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| 03:51 | if profile doesnt help either, no i dont ...
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| 03:52 | <comete> ogra, the problem doesn't appear since the last update
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| 03:52 | <ogra> i never change my umask values from the default, but the comment in login.defs points to a ML discussion
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| 03:52 | probably that gives you some hint
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| 03:52 | <comete> maybe the ltsp environnement uses its own value ?
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| 03:53 | <ogra> no
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| 03:53 | <comete> ok :)
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| 03:53 | <ogra> it uses whatever ssh uses
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| 03:53 | ldm is just a gui ssh client :)
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| 03:54 | <comete> ogra, oh about ldm, do you know how i can change the default language ?
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| 03:54 | ogra, i would like to set it in french
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| 03:55 | <ogra> not in hardy, i plan to do a backport from intrepid you will be able to drop in then
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| 03:55 | but that will still take some weeks (developer summit ahaed, i rarely get much donw during that time)
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| 03:55 | <comete> ogra, maybe i could replace the text somewhere ?
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| 03:56 | <ogra> you need to recompile ldm for that
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| 03:56 | <comete> argh
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| 03:56 | :)
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| 03:59 | <ogra> comete, src/greeter_iface.c look for the prompt2 variables
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| 04:02 | <comete> ogra, ok thanks but i don't think i will recompile it
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| 06:02 | <ttaazz> hello :)
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| 06:03 | <daduke> ttaazz: hi
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| 07:38 | <zeltron> Hi
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| 07:38 | Still trying to make ltsp5 work on debian etch
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| 07:39 | Still having problems...
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| 07:39 | Could someone explain me why I got this message when client boots :
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| 07:39 | rpc failed: 2
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| 07:40 | (just after running script /scripts/nfs-bottom)
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| 07:40 | <cliebow> zeltron:vagrantc would be the man to talk to.
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| 07:40 | <zeltron> (excuse me : after script nfs-premount)
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| 07:41 | cliebox : Ok... where is he? (I used his how to on the net, but nothing about this problem)
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| 07:43 | <stgraber> zeltron: is your NFS server working correctly ?
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| 07:43 | I haven't used NFS for a long time but that rpc thing makes me remember of nfs/portmap other crazy stuff
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| 07:43 | <zeltron> It is working, but correctly... I don't know !
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| 07:44 | Certainly not, since I got this error message !
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| 07:44 | <stgraber> anything inthe server's syslog ?
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| 07:47 | <daduke> zeltron: we run ltsp5 on etch in production
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| 07:47 | <zeltron> Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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| 07:47 | That's what I found in syslog
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| 07:47 | excuse me : this error message concerned nbd_server
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| 07:48 | <daduke> zeltron: here's what I did to set it all up http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/233
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| 07:49 | <zeltron> cliebox : That's what I try to do too. I hope it will work, because Ubuntu works, but seems a little bit to heavy for me
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| 07:49 | cliebox : I look at your address thanks
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| 07:50 | <ogra> heavy in which way ?
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| 07:51 | with regard to ltsp they are pretty much identical
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| 07:52 | <Pascal_1> did you add this line in /etc/exports /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 07:52 | ?
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| 07:52 | <cliebow> zeltron:there you go..
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| 07:52 | zeltron: be sure portmapper is functioning..
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| 07:53 | <zeltron> back after looking at cliebox address, trying to answer your questions
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| 07:54 | ogra : I'm french , maybe my words are not the good ones : for me heavy means that it needs lot of ressources on the server
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| 07:54 | <Blinny> ogra: Can I ask you something ubuntu-specific before I file a bug that perhaps isn't a bug?
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| 07:54 | <ogra> you can install a smaller desktop
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| 07:55 | Blinny, indeed
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| 07:55 | <Pascal_1> can you mount this nfs share from another client mount -t nfs server:partage /mount_point
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| 07:56 | <Blinny> ogra: The new method of authentication that replaced gtksudo (Unlock button) is not enabled and is greyed out for admin users logged in at thin clients. Is there an easy fix for this or is it a bug?
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| 07:56 | <Pascal_1> zeltron, i'm french to , i make work ltsp on debian ;-)
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| 07:56 | <zeltron> Ogra : This is for a free service room in a university, I try to stay with an environment that don't perturb too much the students
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| 07:56 | (this rooms were under windows before...
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| 07:56 | <ogra> Blinny, do you get any session info with ck-list-sessions ?
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| 07:57 | Blinny, the session needs to be listed and be active for policykit to pick it up
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| 07:57 | <zeltron> Pascal : Yes, my /etc/exports is well-configured, but I haven't tried to mount the nfs share from another PC
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| 07:57 | <Blinny> ogra: One second, let me check.
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| 07:59 | <zeltron> Pascal : Ok, j'essaie et je vois ce que ça donne
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| 08:01 | <Blinny> ogra: Yes. I have two sessions listed for the user I've logged in as.
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| 08:01 | <ogra> active ?
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| 08:01 | <Blinny> One is TRUE one is FALSE
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| 08:02 | <ogra> are you actually logged in twice ?
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| 08:02 | <Blinny> The only other difference is the x11-display; one is localhost one is the thin client's IP
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| 08:02 | that must be my terminal
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| 08:03 | <ogra> it should inherit the default session
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| 08:04 | <zeltron> Pascal_1 : J'ai essayé de monter le repertoire(mount -t nfs ip_du_ltsp-server:/ltsp/i386
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| 08:04 | <Blinny> It doesn't. Different ttys, and when I run 'who', one is logged in from 192.168.2.250 and one from 192.168.2.250:6. (w/ training .)
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| 08:04 | wait. 6.0
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| 08:05 | <Pascal_1> zeltron, /opt/ltsp plutot non ?
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| 08:05 | <zeltron> et j'ai eu la réponse suivante : failed. Reason given by server : permission non accordée
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| 08:05 | <Pascal_1> as tu lancé cette commande /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server reload
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| 08:06 | <zeltron> avec /opt ca marche, en effet.
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| 08:07 | <Pascal_1> tu montes bien le partage ?
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| 08:07 | <zeltron> mon mail : zeltron80@free.fr. Merci pour ta procédure, je suis preneur ;-)
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| 08:07 | oui le partage se monte
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| 08:09 | <Pascal_1> la procédure est partie ;-)
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| 08:09 | install faite depuis une fresh install debian
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| 08:10 | <zeltron> Ok... merci, je teste ca
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| 08:10 | <Pascal_1> je dois partir
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| 08:10 | salut
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| 10:47 | <ogra> vagrantc, hey, i got loose approval for Portland from July 21th to 28th ;)
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> ogra: rockin!
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| 10:47 | <ogra> not 100% confirmed though, but looks good :)
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| 10:48 | <johnny> hmm.. ROOT is not acceptable to portage btw.. i had to rename it
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| 10:48 | i ran into that issue again. :(
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> probably not difficult to switch to LTSP_ROOT
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| 10:49 | <johnny> or just s/CHROOT/NAME/ and s/ROOT/CHROOT/
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| 10:49 | that'd be acceptable too
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| 10:50 | it doesnt' make sense that CHROOT is just a name on top of the base path
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| 10:50 | <itais> vagrantc: you're not fixed the LANG environment in ldm in your latest ldm uploads, is there any problem with the suggested fix?
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> johnny: why does it make any less sense?
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| 10:51 | <johnny> because CHROOT sounds like the entire path to the chroot.. not just a name on top of a base path ?
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> itais: ah, that's right. the only issue was weather to put the sourcing in the ltsp init script and/or screen_session script, since it would then apply to all screen scripts ...
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| 10:53 | * ogra wonders if he should bite the bullet and just sync ldm .... | |
| 10:53 | <itais> vagrantc:but that should be an easy decision , then ;-)
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> johnny: i don't really see it that way... though for reference, i had originally called it CHROOT_NAME
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| 10:53 | ogra: what's the main diff left?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> just fix portage :P
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| 10:54 | vagrantc, the epoch i think and the themes
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| 10:54 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, cool on that jul 21-28 thing
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> ogra: split the themes out into their own package(s)
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| 10:54 | <ogra> jammcq, well, waiting for silbs approval, got colins
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| 10:54 | <jammcq> yeah, like she'd say no
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| 10:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: and eat some tasty epoch :)
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| 10:55 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, they usually dont change and sit in my debian dir atm ...
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| 10:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: if they usually don't change, then all the more reason to keep them as a separate package :)
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| 10:55 | <ogra> i dont really see a need to have them separate
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> more maintenance overhead for keeping in sync with debian :P
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| 10:57 | <ogra> where is your themes package ?
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| 10:57 | <slidesinger> Hello jammcq
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| 10:57 | <vagrantc> ogra: don't have any
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| 10:58 | ogra: other than the default LTSP one
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| 10:58 | <ogra> no debian and debian-edu themes ?
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| 10:58 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh, debian-edu has their own theme, yes.
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| 10:58 | ogra: i think that's in the debian-edu-artwork package.
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| 10:59 | but yeah, i dropped the debian theme when upstream dropped it ... just never got around to packaging it up.
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| 11:00 | <ogra> did you leave the alternative handling in ? its quite essential for me
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> yes, the alternative handling is still there, although since ldm itself only includes a single alternative, it's much simplified
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| 11:01 | <ogra> hmm, i'll think about it
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| 11:01 | still have enogh other merges to do
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 11:02 | <ogra> i'm also close to the point to say i'll merge your ltsp
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> yay!
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| 11:02 | i look forward to the day when the diff is virtually non-existant
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| 11:02 | <ogra> to lazy to roll these tarballs all the time
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:03 | <ogra> and i dont think we differ to much apart from packaging data
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> lenny is looking in good shape, finally. :)
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| 11:04 | sid is, unfortunately, borked ... can't install a base system... so LTSP is tricky to test
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| 11:04 | <ogra> got a really nice mail exchange with the dia maitainer today when i pushed my patches back to him for lenny inclusion
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| 11:05 | made me confident again that there are some nice guys in debian :)
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| 11:05 | * vagrantc looks at feet | |
| 11:05 | <ogra> all that ranting from warren lets me lose my confidence sometimes that anyone likes ubuntu, s a pat on the back is a great thing :)
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| 11:05 | <vagrantc> or am i too ltsp to be associated with debian? :)
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| 11:06 | * vagrantc waves to Gadi | |
| 11:06 | <ogra> hey Gadiman
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> Gadi: looks like your paniced phone call set the dates that no-one else could decide on :)
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| 11:06 | <jammcq> ogra: don't worry about people loving Ubuntu. around here, people LOVE it
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| 11:07 | * Gadi waves to everyone | |
| 11:07 | * Gadi is happy that my panicking is good for something | |
| 11:07 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:08 | <johnny> i hate ubuntu ogra :)
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| 11:08 | lol
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| 11:08 | * Gadi only hopes ogra can make it - its just not the same without a smokin german in the room.... | |
| 11:08 | <johnny> i wish i could make it
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> Gadi: knucklehead
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:10 | why is everyone beating up on ubuntu today?
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| 11:11 | <ogra> Gadi, i'm near ... got line manager approval today for 21 to 28th, now waiting for final approval
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> cool
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| 11:13 | you guys have lots of managers for a small company
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> it's not so small anymore
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| 11:14 | <ogra> were over 200 ppl i'D guess
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| 11:14 | (i stopped cunting at 150)
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| 11:14 | <laga> cunting?!
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| 11:14 | <ogra> *erm counting
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| 11:23 | <ogra> vagrantc, ia64 ?
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| 11:23 | what for ?? is that even capable of running a desktop ?
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's got xserver-xorg ... so i'd presume so.
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| 11:24 | * ogra thought vagrantc dropped that from the arch list already | |
| 11:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: i've only dropped ltsp ... ldm and ltspfs still have all the other arches
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| 11:24 | <ogra> well, i doubt you get any usable performance out of these old machines
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> could be.
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> might end up restricting architecture on ltspfs and ldm in the end...
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> i guess there actually are arm and mips thin-clients out there ... but without anyone to test them ...
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| 11:28 | <ogra> i would love to test arm if we'd suport it at all
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> there's actually untested network booting code generation for arm*
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| 11:29 | i just need hardware to test with
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> otavio: did you say you had an arm thin client last year?
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| 11:31 | of course, we still haven't developed cross-architecture installation ... so you need to actually install on the same architecture, generally.
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| 11:35 | <ogra> vagrantc, btw, the gvfs patch from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320 works very well, i got good feedback, you might want to pull that into debian
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| 11:36 | * cliebow cliebow Loves ubuntu..except wireless network card..still using old kernel.. | |
| 11:36 | <ogra> (not sure you use gvfs in lenny though)
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: it appears to be in unstable ... so not in lenny yet
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| 11:37 | ogra: that's what's replacing gnome-vfs ?
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| 11:37 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:37 | gnome-vfs has the patch, i know josselin applied it two years ago and maintains it
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| 11:41 | <Nubae> ogra, is that patch available in proposed yet?
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| 11:42 | <ogra> Nubae, apparently
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| 11:42 | if you want to test it i'd ask you to report success to the LP bug soit can move to -updates from proposed
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| 11:42 | it needs two positive comments
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| 11:42 | <Nubae> ok... will do
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| 11:43 | <ogra> gracias :)
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| 11:54 | <otavio> vagrantc: yes i have. I hadn't touch it since debconf
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| 11:54 | vagrantc: want anything specific?
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> otavio: well, when i dropped ltsp support for anything but i386, amd64 and powerpc, someone mentioned that we should keep arm ... so we'd need someone to test that it works with ltsp to add it back in
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| 11:58 | <Nubae> ogra: could you re post that bug report link again
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| 11:58 | the gvfs one
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| 11:58 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/210379
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| 11:58 | <Nubae> thanks
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| 12:01 | <gbolte> heh we just ran across this issue yesterday on opensuse 11
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| 12:01 | <otavio> vagrantc: humm, I'll take a look what I can do. However it would need an "arm" server?
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| 12:02 | <ogra> otavio, s/server/build env for ltsp-build-client/
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| 12:03 | otavio, you need an arm chroot and kernel ... and then copy it to an i386 server or so
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| 12:03 | <otavio> ogra: afaik we hadn't support to build an arm chroot yet. Am I missing something there?
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| 12:03 | ogra: ah ok
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| 12:03 | ogra: what I suppose I'd need to do
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> otavio: i've actually made an arm (or armel) server in qemu in the past.
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> otavio: but, basically, you just need to build an arm chroot, copy the chroot environment to another machine, run ltsp-update-kernels, configure dhcp ... and then try and boot the arm client ...
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| 12:07 | otavio: and also build arm ltsp-client* packages ...
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| 12:08 | <otavio> vagrantc: great. I doubt I'll able to do before next week.
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| 12:08 | <ogra> vagrantc, so what about starting to build xrececd into our packaes to be able to start playing with localapps ?
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> otavio: thanks, though :)
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| 12:08 | <ogra> we ship the source since quite some time
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> otavio: would it be helpful if i tried to build the arm chroot in qemu ?
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| 12:09 | otavio: is your client arm, armel, or either?
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| 12:09 | <ogra> i'd like us to look into localapps at the hackfest, so knowing the code builds etc in advance would be helpful
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm not opposed to doing so, but haven't had a chance to look into it yet.
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| 12:10 | <ogra> well, just adding it to the builds should suffice for a start
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| 12:10 | i think it has all autofoo in the dir
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> oh, autofoo
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| 12:11 | <ogra> ah, no, no Makefile.in yet, needs at least one autogen.sh run
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> ogra: ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make
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| 12:13 | ogra: worked for me
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| 12:14 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> no idea if xrexecd works
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| 12:16 | <ogra> well, lets starts shipping it and get the scripts around it to find the bugs :)
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| 12:25 | <otavio> vagrantc: it is arm
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| 12:35 | <johnny_> too many floppies show up in hardy :(
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| 12:35 | got 4 on ever desktop.. for 4 computerz
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> i'm guessing that's the gvfs patches that everyone's been talking about
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| 12:37 | i should also try and get it out of there soonish, anyways :)
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| 12:37 | oops.
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| 12:37 | <xachen> Anybody have any tips for sluggish performance?
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| 12:38 | I have a Quad Core 2.16Ghz, 3GB RAM, Dual 15k SCSI on raid1 and they all report occasional "freeze ups", real sluggly firefox and openoffice support, etc.
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| 12:38 | <ogra> johnny_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/210379
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| 12:38 | update glib/gvs from -proposed
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| 12:39 | and comment on the bug please if it works for you
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| 12:39 | <johnny_> ogra, i'm filing my kernel bug now
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| 12:40 | <ogra> great
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| 12:40 | johnny_, btw seb is open for conversation, just ping him
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| 12:44 | <Nubae> xachen... freezups... running hardy and firefox 3 beta 5?
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| 12:54 | * ogra glares and cant belive it | |
| 12:54 | <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003776.html
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| 12:55 | <laga> i wish flash sucked less. </obvious>
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| 12:56 | <ogra> .oO( if i only coud stop grinning, thats so great )
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| 12:56 | laga, just wait a while ... thats a first step in the right direction
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| 12:56 | (asking the community whats best)
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| 12:57 | <laga> i've just read an article about via's new open source policy on phoronix. i'm not that enthusiastic :)
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| 12:58 | * ogra is so happy that went to motu instead of any canonical business contact | |
| 12:58 | <laga> and nobody said that guy was writing on behalf of his employer ;)
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| 12:58 | * laga stops ruining everyone's day _now_. | |
| 13:01 | <ogra> laga, you cant ruin mine :)
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| 13:01 | <Nubae> well he's being paid by adobe, and is offering to change their download page... think it's pretty official
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| 13:04 | btw.. I jsut installed ebox and it does change existing settings completely... I had squid, dansguardian, dhcp, samba, ldap etc all working and ebox goes and changes all the files and decides to force you to reset your configuration according to their logic
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| 13:04 | <laga> does it revert the changes when uninstalling?
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| 13:04 | <ogra> well, its just an easier webmin
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| 13:05 | it should, yes
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| 13:05 | i think it diverts the original files
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| 13:05 | <Nubae> well, its not what I'm looking for at all... I want some gui that complements my existing /etc files, not replaces and hides the originals
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| 13:05 | <itais> ogra: not it doesn't, once you use ebox you only can use ebox to admin
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| 13:06 | <Nubae> gah... you're kidding
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| 13:06 | <laga> Nubae: i've found that most GUIs which are intended to modify config files just break stuff.
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| 13:06 | <Nubae> yeah, well, webmin worked wonders
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| 13:06 | never broke a thing
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| 13:06 | <ogra> itais, the ubuntu exbox is very different to what you get in debian iirc
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| 13:06 | <laga> unless you're exclusively using the GUI ;)
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| 13:06 | <itais> I'm talking about upstream ebox
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| 13:07 | don't know if it's different from the ubuntu one
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| 13:07 | it does not recognise when you modify a file, as Nubae says it replaces the originals
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| 13:07 | <ogra> well, it was originally ubuntu based, but the server team did put some effort in during hardy to make it less intrusive
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| 13:08 | <Nubae> well, I'm uninstalling it... far too intrusive for me
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| 13:08 | <ogra> but i dont know to many internals here, i'm not in the server team
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| 13:08 | Nubae, still better than webmin which does the same, but rips huge security holes, is badly maintained and runs everything as root
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| 13:08 | <itais> even if it's less intrusive, it doesn't let you admin your services using ebox and, let's say connecting via ssh and manually altering a config file
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| 13:10 | <Nubae> ogra: for me its just a gui to things I normally do through vi /etc/someconfigfile
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| 13:10 | only ever runs locally, not through the internet, so I'm not worries about security
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| 13:10 | <ogra> well, do what you have to do
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| 13:10 | <itais> ogra: webmin does not do the same, webmin recognise when you modify a config file using other methods (at least , that's what it did last time i used it, some years ago)
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| 13:11 | <Nubae> itais... exactly...
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| 13:12 | <ogra> itais, i thought you are debian user ? you didnt read all the discussions before it was deliberately removed from debian ?
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| 13:12 | there are reasons its not accepted into the distros
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| 13:12 | but hey, its your server, not mine :)
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| 13:13 | <Nubae> what harm can it do if its not accessible outside the network?
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| 13:13 | <itais> itais, I am a debian user ;-), and I know webmin has big security problems, (I haven't used it for years), but while ebox don't recognise when you change a config file, that's a regresion from the webmin side
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| 13:13 | <Nubae> if you have a working server, installing ebox on top breaks everything
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| 13:13 | regardless if you have webmin or not
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| 13:14 | it shouldn't do that
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| 13:15 | damn, now I'm not even sure I can remove it, its trying to remove much more than it should be
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| 13:23 | * vagrantc notes that most security attacks come from the internal network | |
| 13:23 | <ogra> especially on ltsp servers :)
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| 13:24 | where they go theough lo
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| 13:24 | *through
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| 13:25 | anyway...
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| 13:25 | * ogra calls it a day | |
| 13:25 | <johnny_> night
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| 13:47 | <Nubae> oh what fun... my ltsp server is now totally destroyed
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| 13:47 | I've had to start it up in safemode and now go methodically through what ebox did to it
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| 13:48 | couldn't even load up an admin user session
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| 13:49 | so for future reference, ebox does break existing configuration files with no way to go back to how it was before
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| 13:56 | <Nubae> well, ok, its not that dramatically destroyed, i've managed to restart most of the services now...
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| 14:46 | <Q-FUNK> warren: good point
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| 23:33 | <warren> ok, I can't figure out why nbdswapd isn't working here
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| 23:43 | <achandrashekar> hello.hopefully some people can answer some architecture questions. I have 32 pentium 3 pcs in a lab (diskless) with 383 mb a piece, being powered up with one edubuntu ltsp 8.04 athlon x2 2gb machine. When using things like openoffice or browsing to various sites with any more than 15 computers, things come to a crawl. Id like some help with re-architecting or soming up with a better solution for ltsp. Any ideas?
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| 23:44 | things are connected to 2 100mb switches
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| 23:44 | any ideas on either clustering or getting smarter with the setup?
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| 23:45 | How is the mille-xterm project with handling load?
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